Micro 945 | CultD3 | Game Over!

[Mohab500]

VOTE: Norwegian

Scum post.

[Mohab500]

OH SHIT THERE IS NO SCUM

[Mohab500]

VOTE: Drew Cult vibes.

[Mohab500]

My meta reads:

nothing so when I become cult, I can fake better

[Mohab500]

WAIT THAT IS NOT DREW STA

[Mohab500]

BRUH VOTE: Oromis

[Mohab500]

what's up with these kids yo why are there no posts

[Mohab500]

Gonna go ahead and clasim jester

[Mohab500]

I couldn't care less, looks like we've already caught a few scum because of the inactivity. I'll write a detailed post later regarding my reads, I've figured out this game guys.

[Mohab500]

So, since apparently a lot of players lack the ability to comprehend sarcasm, or any type of humor for that matter, this is supposed to be the part where I say that, 20 is, in fact, a joke aimed at lightening up the mood of the game. So yeah.

[Mohab500]

I am tempted to just get rid of norwe because of last game tbh.

VOTE: norwee

[Mohab500]

Oh God no, Epic Mafia? Mohab, you are forgiven.

VOTE: Oromis

Anyone mind explaining what the problem with EpicMafia is, for newbies like me here?

[Mohab500]

Hi everyone! This is the other half of Oromis. Dk and I made this hydra together basically just for fun. I've never played on a hydra account, so it should be an interesting experience. I think Dk will be the main person you guys will be talking to during the game, I'm going to let them do most of the posting and take more of a backseat, but I wanted to at least introduce myself. Both Dk and I started playing forum games on EpicMafia, which has a great but pretty small forum maf community. I'm still relatively inexperienced, but I've had good games as town and as scum--this is the first time I've ever rolled cult leader, though!

What are everyone's favorite foods?

- Joqiza

I am a typical burger/fries kinda guy. What about you?

[Mohab500]

PORKENS IS HERE

[Mohab500]

man porkens if you are cult you're not gonna have a nice game from me dude

[Mohab500]

Wait, can there be three cult leaders in a game?

[Mohab500]

mad

[Mohab500]

VOTE: Oromis to start an unnecessary wagon and mislynch

[Mohab500]

That's L-1 btw

[Mohab500]

Actually, L-2 sorry I misread votes.

[Mohab500]

@Mohab
Just to clarify, do you play like town when you roll scum? Or do you just always play like scum?

I haven't rolled scum since starting to play like this, so who knows.

[Mohab500]

you're saying thats CL vibes when you're interacting with a hydra of which I myself will be actively posting. Seems to me you are just looking for a reason to needlessly shade me. Want to explain further since yours is the most recent and clearly a serious vote?

-Koba

For real though, I agree with this. Feels like Norwee was just needlessly trying to shade Oromis or just start scum reading people for whatever reason.

UNVOTE: Probably too early for a serious wagon, but so far not really liking Norwee's entrance. Rest seems decent I guess? haven't looked in depth, porkens please talk more!

[Mohab500]

Also Oromis, both posts from Drew kind of struck me as jokes so I don't think that's a real proper read right there.

[Mohab500]

And by similar vibes i mean:
- They are intentionally screwing with the vote count to tempt an accidental hammer.
- Playing suicidally like they don't care about being scumread.
- Lot's of emotions, reactions, voting in a seemingly careless manner.

Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear.
No amount of cute anime profile picture can redeem how much I hate this playstyle.

@Mohab, please confirm the accuracy of this assessment. Can you assure me that you'll make a fair effort to play to wincon this game?

Hey, I can confirm this is mostly true. I can not assure you I'll try to win but I'll try my best to keep a positive mindset. In fact, I was actually scumreading and playing for the wincon somewhat in that previous game. I got a read from my lynch on one of the scum players and relayed it to a player in the neighbourhood, so I did get something out of my self hammer that game.

For what it's worth, my playstyle completely depends on my mood that day and how much free time I am having and all that. Sometimes I wake up and decide I want to win, others I simply can't get myself to do anything aside from trolling. So yeah, it depends on how I am feeling. Sorry I can't guarantee I'll be playing to the best of my ability for the wincon, but I'll try.

[Mohab500]

I am kind of off to sleep for now anyways, I'll skim the game for a few moments and if I have anything worthwhile I'll post. I know some people sent some other questions and stuff like that but those might need too much effort for 1:00 AM so I think I'll be doing it tomorrow. Hope we have a good game everyone.

[Mohab500]

I only just now realised that cult leader is the only member that can recruit.
Was confused about how this setup isn't insanely scum-sided.

Might affect my take on the Norwee/Mohab interaction but I'm too tired to think about it any more tonight.

Don't see how this might matter. Explain please?

[Mohab500]

I've been eyeing that anime profile picture combined with that name for a while, TrueSoulEnergy. We should play more games together, regardless of how this ends.

[Mohab500]

Well, I thought about it a little and I think I am going to start a personal challenge of playing the entire game seriously. So yeah, I'll try not to throw the game, hopefully.

[Mohab500]

I only just now realised that cult leader is the only member that can recruit.
Was confused about how this setup isn't insanely scum-sided.

Might affect my take on the Norwee/Mohab interaction but I'm too tired to think about it any more tonight.

Don't see how this might matter. Explain please?

I can explain for them because I understand where they are getting at.
A Cult Leader is more important then the other Cult because it can convert.
Thus Cult Leader try’s harder to stay alive or is more needed to stay alive.
As Cult doesn’t want to lose their CL.

Thanks for the explanation, but I still don't understand how this might affect how they might view my interactions with Norwee. Probably will wait for them to respond though.

[Mohab500]

Pagetop. And I guess I am done with posting for tonight.

[Mohab500]

I am, but I am doing something else at the moment. Will look when I am done though.

[Mohab500]

Should be free now I guess. Let me look. IF you have any questions, fire away.

[Mohab500]

you're saying thats CL vibes when you're interacting with a hydra of which I myself will be actively posting. Seems to me you are just looking for a reason to needlessly shade me. Want to explain further since yours is the most recent and clearly a serious vote?

-Koba

For real though, I agree with this. Feels like Norwee was just needlessly trying to shade Oromis or just start scum reading people for whatever reason.

UNVOTE: Probably too early for a serious wagon, but so far not really liking Norwee's entrance. Rest seems decent I guess? haven't looked in depth, porkens please talk more!

Let's talk about this post.

1. Do you see logic behind Norwee's Oromis vote? Don't explain it, just let me know if you see any.
2. If not, how do you feel about the rest of the Oromis wagon?
3. What all do you dislike about Norwee's entrance?
4. I would expect these comments to come accompanied with a Norwee vote. When is it time for a serious wagon, if not ASAP?

1. I can loosely make out the logic but I don't really think it's valid.
2. Oromis wagon is fairly random. Drew voted because of an Epic Mafia joke, then you went ahead and voted because of RVS I assume, which brings me to the point 3 where Norwee makes up some sketchy reason to hop on an early wagon and put them at L-2. Doesn't sit right with me.
4. This is probably my first serious read, so VOTE: Norwee. Usually not a fan of early wagons but it doesn't seem like the pace of the game is going to be that fast anyways, it's probably worth it to start pressuring people from now.

Anyways, I will admit I have some sort of bias towards town porkens for last game, I get the need to pressure them and make them participate more, but honestly wouldn't wagon them at the moment.

[Mohab500]

writing expert

[Mohab500]

Well, I don't know about votato but I know I want to be culted. Unlikely as it may be, hope still resides within me.

[Mohab500]

Also, just kind of something I'm thinking about, this sort of association/world-building seems kind of fruitless in a setup with conversion roles, where the read may not hold from day to day. Like, I'm disinclined to do this sort of thing before a flip anyway, but in a cult setup it feels particularly meh. This is my first time with a cult in forum mafia though, so won't pretend like I'm an expert.

I don't know, call me inexperienced with this lineup because I am, but I think that logic invites just not scumreading at all, since you could argue pretty much nothing might hold from day to day. I am probably overthinking it but I feel like this stuff doesn't put us in the right track, more than likely misleads town of anything else.

[Mohab500]

I've played this setup before so have some insight into it. i have a bit of insight into how this is likely to play out, but im not sure its worth talking about in detail since scum might not be aware of their optimal strategies here, and I dont want to give them free info.

It was purely based off this post.

I don't think cult would put it out there that they know the optimal strategy. If anything I think cult would play dumb about strategy.

Also, reading it also reminded me not to talk strategy, that in and of itself was indirectly a pro town move by vovato. Typing this out it sounds weird lol, but his post just screams pro town.

Drew and votato exchange is nice. I feel it's probably Town/Town, but there is a small chance it could be Scum/Scum, could probably reevaluate this in later days if we remember for shit.

[Mohab500]

TSE, thoughts? I'll compile my reads and probably write a full post tomorrow.

[Mohab500]

??? Why are you assuming some dude who hasn't posted once is somehow locktown?????

[Mohab500]

I've played this setup before so have some insight into it. i have a bit of insight into how this is likely to play out, but im not sure its worth talking about in detail since scum might not be aware of their optimal strategies here, and I dont want to give them free info.

It was purely based off this post.

I don't think cult would put it out there that they know the optimal strategy. If anything I think cult would play dumb about strategy.

Also, reading it also reminded me not to talk strategy, that in and of itself was indirectly a pro town move by vovato. Typing this out it sounds weird lol, but his post just screams pro town.

Drew and votato exchange is nice. I feel it's probably Town/Town, but there is a small chance it could be Scum/Scum, could probably reevaluate this in later days if we remember for shit.

you think no chance of TvS though?

Probably not at this moment, no. I am starting to actually understand what that Orimos dude was saying before, since alignment can change over the course of days, analyzing relationships like this especially early might end up being fairly pointless. I mostly take 173 back.

[Mohab500]

I am not assuming they're town or scum, I am saying you can't just assume they're town just because they have no posts. They need some sort of activity and posts before we start discussing that even. It makes no sense to claim some lurker is a specific alignment like this.

[Mohab500]

bruh were you just joking and I got baited or

[Mohab500]

fwiw I think like I caught the thing about kaif being locktown and didn't read anything else in the post, apologies

[Mohab500]

Currently like, 2:22 for me, at like 4-5 I'll check and sort cuz I have no motivation atm

[Mohab500]

Votecount 1.3

Porkens(3)

~ Deimos27(58), Mohab500(43), Doctor Drew(19)

votato(2)

~ Oromis(22), TrueSoulEnergy(22)

Doctor Drew(2)

~ votato(22), Porkens(25)


Not Voting (2): Kaif(0), NorwegianboyEE(32)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-06-17 06:37:58)

FLAVOR

Posted by: cKleinhuis

Elephant Embryo 4k

I don't got this vote count, I voted Norwee and never voted Porkens. Am I missing something?

[Mohab500]

Drew/Votato are decent competing wagons.
VOTE: Votato

Really don't like this post, seems to me like another case of trying to hop to a random wagon for no reason. VOTE: Norwee -- I voted this earlier but votecount is weird, so here it is again.

[Mohab500]

Deimos -- so far a town lean on this dude. I think a lot of their thoughts seem natural for the most part, posts like 267[/vote] strike me as things from a paranoid townie more than faking cult/scum. Previous [post=273]273 seem active and it seems like they're trying to help town in general. I'll take this.

Porkens -- they don't have much going for them, they mostly throw out a lot of one-off thoughts and stuff like that but I don't think they're actively participating in the game that much. At the same time, play is consistent with last game so I am not sure what to do with this slot.

[Mohab500]

bruh ruined the formattig

[Mohab500]

votato -- this slot is mostly doing a lot of shitposts. Gets kinda defensive when called out on them somehow but I feel that's more NAI than anything. They did try to offer some remarks or ask some questions overall so they're trying to participate a bit, but I am honestly not sure how to read this. I guess this is null for me.

[Mohab500]

WHGAT

[Mohab500]

CLIDD

[Mohab500]

MY BOY

[Mohab500]

you better not be cult either or

[Mohab500]

One wrong vote here and there is a massive chance we lose, so please don't rush. That said, Oromis and TrueSoulEnergy were already on the votato wagon prior and were probably a strong reason for starting the garbage votato wagon, also pushing for a quick lynch here today. I don't feel comfortable with this. VOTE: Oromis

[Mohab500]

Okay, so this is really important so I am going to ask now. votato stated in 101 that he knows the a possible strategy for how the cult would play. Some other players mentioned some similar feelings. Can we reveal those now? I think it'd help with figuring out the N1 convert, this is the most crucial day here because if we mislynch it might just be all over.

[Mohab500]

Adding onto that, we have 8 players and still little information regarding anything here. We need as much info as we possibly can have here if we want to win.

[Mohab500]

A mislynch should end the game here, because cult just recruits one more and it's over, no?

[Mohab500]

Is there some sort of mechanic I am missing here?

[Mohab500]

That of course excludes unrecruitable townies among other things.

[Mohab500]

Max 3 cult mechanic

Well, that kind of makes my reads much less valuable now .

[Mohab500]

Anyways, Day is still important, I think a difference of 5v3 against 4v3 tomorrow is pretty significant, cult will have a much easier time blending in and taking control of town tomorrow as opposed to today. We should still get as much info as possible today.

According to Norwee's claim, porkens is town. Any CC's? anyone who isn't tracker or jailkeeper PR either.

[Mohab500]

How so?

I assumed Oromis and TSE were the base cult, Drew the converted cult and they went all out to mislynch today so they can win instantly tomorrow, but apparently that makes much less sense now.

[Mohab500]

I just thought up of the extreme scenario where cult has roleblocker, and town has both jailkeeper and tracker, and then if porkens and Norwee are both cult there would be no cause for CC. Unlikely/unreliable but hey it's cool to think about.

[Mohab500]

I wonder about the possible strategies mentioned prior because they could help find out the convert. In any case, I stil think Drew-Oromis-TSE have one cult in them, I don't like the wagon rush this way.

[Mohab500]

VOTE: drew

[Mohab500]

VOTE: drew

^Doesn’t like the wagon rush.

I mean, since this is the wagon we've talked about I've decided to go for it, instead of the Oromis wagon which I don't think is really doing anything atm. So yeah.

[Mohab500]

Inb4 the Norwee + Porkens + converted Deimos theories come rolling in

This pinged in my head the possibility of a power role being converted and scum using that to claim porkens cult actually. Not sure if the setups make this possible but hey I sure hope it isnt

[Mohab500]

claim porkens town*

[Mohab500]

Thats bullshit

What is?

[Mohab500]

I don't see any concrete reason why Porkens can't be a friendly neighbour. They already mentioned prior that they'd been townreading Norwee as it's "hella lot more townie than last game". I don't think it's a stretch they'd FN Norwee if they townread them. I am worried about Porkens being a culted FN, with Norwee as an OG cultist. This would be the worst possible outcome, I think. But if you're just scumreading Porkens for the lolhammer, it'd mean you assume both are OG cultists, not converts. Since there's no counterclaim, porkens most likely is town or a convert.

[Mohab500]

You're assuming cult converted the Jailkeeper in your case, which is possible but again I sense is unlikely.

[Mohab500]

Also, no one gives a shit, it's clear they mean roleblocker here so roleblocker it is.

[Mohab500]

Oh what, guess I am the one who forgot to get braincells. They're different things???

[Mohab500]

Anyways, still, your read has in big part been based around scum getting lucky so I am hesitant on getting aboard it like this. @Oromis

[Mohab500]

@derimos boy thoughts on this?

[Mohab500]

Why did you check TSE anyways? You seemed to have a lot of thoughts on Norwegian or maybe Drew, but TSE is a slot I don't think I recall you interacting with much. If you guys were really searching for scum, shouldn't you have hit someone you thought of more frequently? Is there a specific reason here why you went for TSE as opposed to say, Norwee?

[Mohab500]

I'll say something a bit dumb, but Porkens wanting to lolhammer/end D1 seems to be a general thing with the play. They also did that in our previous game, and talked about how much they wanted someone to go and lolhammer at the end of D1, or how much they wanted someone to flip. I don't rule them out as scum solely because of that but it's a little more NAI than just 'lolhammer = scum'.

[Mohab500]

I'll say something a bit dumb, but Porkens wanting to lolhammer/end D1 seems to be a general thing with the play. They also did that in our previous game, and talked about how much they wanted someone to go and lolhammer at the end of D1, or how much they wanted someone to flip. I don't rule them out as scum solely because of that but it's a little more NAI than just 'lolhammer = scum'.

The convo about wanting someone to lolhammer was in the neighbourhood fwiw

[Mohab500]

He's saying we're in the rolestopper column, and that scum culted the rolestropper and he's the tracker, and then they decided that porkens will fake claim FN.

[Mohab500]

Drew there is no ambiguity in his position, where does your question come from?

No, if you're not following what's being said carefully you might get lost, with all the talk about columns and roles and possible converts and whatnot.

[Mohab500]

That's what I am saying, that's a far-fetched read I don't get how you can be so confident. But go off I guess.

[Mohab500]

NGL this whole read and situation is so absurd I am starting to consider that we've got attention on the CL, but Oromis is a cultist that wants to draw us away from the CL, but for that to happen there needs to be a reason and something that destroys the risk somehow for cult to casually fake claim tracker like that Are there any ideas if there is a case where that might be possible? No offense if you're town Oromis.

[Mohab500]

Town just doesn't tunnel that hard, no? or is something wrong with what I am saying?

[Mohab500]

We all do my boy

[Mohab500]

I have a dumb question. Can't town theoritically just not lynch? Since there is no factional kill, we can just keep ending days with no lynch, no?

[Mohab500]

In regards to 539, I did come into this day with the idea that Norwee and clidd being the scum team, especially for how they tried to push votato. But I honestly forgot about it because of the Oromis/Drew/TSE deal and assuming that today is lylo. I haven't seriously reevaluated scum Norwee since the day began, but I did briefly skim this post and will try to give more thoughts, probably tomorrow because I can't be bothered today.

[Mohab500]

In the meantime, please no random wagons/hammers like yesterday, disheartening to wake up to see I've been totally excluded from the wagon/hammer/thinking process because of my time zone, so would be nice.

[Mohab500]

Mohab too

I never voted porkens, that was apparently a mod error, no?

[Mohab500]

Back here. Will try to look and give some thoughts.

[Mohab500]

Pagetop first.

[Mohab500]

Generally agree with 539. I did mention that I thought Norwee's push was unnatural and more than likely aimed at pushing a random wagon. I'll also add that a lot of their ISO is just simple/basic posts that I don't see adding that much to the game (think 616, , or [post=658]658 or otherwise). These aren't necessarily useless posts but they give me a strong sense of posturing/just appearing to be active for the sake of getting town read rather than advancing the game or basically doing anything to scumhunt.

Clidd I also had similar thoughts on, their entrance post seemed somewhat bland/empty like they didn't have much to say about the gamestate, and just up and decided they'd scumread TSE/votato and put stand-in reads for everyone else so they could later rush the votato wagon/build new reads. This is mostly a hypothetical/gut feeling but if Norwee is CL, I can see them taking control/making the decisions and pushing for a wagon on votato through the PT.

[Mohab500]

VOTE: Norwee, will respond to clidd later

[Mohab500]

Sorry guys, things are coming up lately and I won't be active until tomorrow at the very least. I know I've kind of been neglecting this game lately but I am really trying and a lot of things are just happening right now

[Mohab500]

Couldn't be bothered to read everything as I have little to no time, but I am still in favour of a Norwee wagon. Norwee is perfectly capable of faking being lynchbaity if they're CL, in fact I'd even expect them to fake defensiveness as non-cl if they are being lynched. Yeah this is a lackluster reason perhaps but I have a strong gut we've hit CL with Norwee.

Rest, please catch me up on things because I've lost track of the game due to the break I took. I should be available now.

[Mohab500]

FWIW, previous comment had my brain kind of die on me, I meant that there was too much content and I had no time. I briefly scanned but couldn't get anything useful aside from the Norwee faking thing that I could even comment on. I finished everything so if I can get a bit of a fresh start here, should be able to contribute more.

[Mohab500]

But being town doesn't absolve you of having bad/wrong reads, or make your wagons always the right choice, so no, this argument makes no sense.

[Mohab500]

I think we've already established that Norwee is either cultist lynchbaiting or CL wifom lynchbaiting, so what they say now is pretty pointless. If you really are town Oromis then just drop the useless argument.

[Mohab500]

I am okay with that too, but I am more convinced about the Norwee lynch anyways. Either of them should be fine.

[Mohab500]

what the fuck is even going on anymore, past like 5 pages have been nothing but shit flinging and time wasting, can we get a summary of wtf is going on here? I am sorry guys I am too confused to do anything...

@deimos I am still up to lynch Norwee here, come to the wagon on norwee and we can prob get drew tomorrow

[Mohab500]

why?

[Mohab500]

what's a slank?

[Mohab500]

bruh I got some random band when I searched so I thought it was a mafia specific term

[Mohab500]

Anyways, as I've lost track of the game, I'll proceed to be completely useless until the next day starts. So yeah, go off everyone.

[Mohab500]

Sure thing, I'll follow your lead Deimos, not like I haven't been doing that for the last 7 days but I'll keep on it.

[Mohab500]

bruh

[Mohab500]

seeing this shit makes me want to re read and get back into the game

[Mohab500]

What's the line of discussion here?

[Mohab500]

Oromis:

Cult team is Norwee/clidd/drew. I am specifically confident about Norwee and Drew.
Norwee should be CL.
If Norwee flips non-CL cult, I wouldn't be that surprised. I think it'd mean clidd is less suspect but it's hard to explain why. I also have no idea who could be CL aside from Norwee.
If Norwee flips town, that'd be a bit more surprising. I think in that scenario, I'd be even more confused and unsure. I think drew would still likely be cult though, clidd I'd be completely unsure.

In any case, I think TSE may be cult, but they'd have to be a convert.

[Mohab500]

Oromis:

Cult team is Norwee/clidd/drew. I am specifically confident about Norwee and Drew.
Norwee should be CL.
If Norwee flips non-CL cult, I wouldn't be that surprised. I think it'd mean clidd is less suspect but it's hard to explain why.

I also have no idea who could be CL aside from Norwee.

If Norwee flips town, that'd be a bit more surprising. I think in that scenario, I'd be even more confused and unsure. I think drew would still likely be cult though, clidd I'd be completely unsure.

In any case, I think TSE may be cult, but they'd have to be a convert.

Mohab, do you not see Drew as CL with Norwee? I understand if you think Norwee is likelier CL, but now it sounds like if he isn't CL you have no ideas at all for who else it might be.

Well, it is possible, but I have a hard time imagining it to be fair. Find the play likelier to come off from cult PR or cultist rather than cult leader.

[Mohab500]

Try formulating why non-CL Norwee makes clidd less susp. I think I might understand what you're getting at.

Overall I am not a big fan of Norwee/clidd interactions from clidd's side. They seem to be talkative about a lot of users but for some reason they barely refer to Norwee or even talk about them in any manner. I also mentioned earlier that clidd kind of nonchalantly sheeped Norwee's initial votato wagon which just gives me an impression of them being scum partners with Norwee as CL that does not want much attention dedicated to them. One thing that doesn't work out is that they kind of have a similar history with TSE, but I think Norwee's case is a bit stronger.

[Mohab500]

Porkens, I still consider Norwee the best lynch. I'd up be for drew tomorrow if everybody wants to, but I am not sure who the CL could be aside from Norwee.

[Mohab500]

I guess that can be said, yeah.

[Mohab500]

I am just using PoE @Oromis. I feel like the team was Norwee/clidd initially, and feel that Drew is scummy, so the only explanation in this case would be that Drew was culted since the others are supposed to be originals.

[Mohab500]

Have important things to say regarding the last few events, will note things ASAP.

[Mohab500]

Something on my mind since the self-hammer:
Norwee might have been frustrated because their teammates weren't being active enough. Norwee's post-game last game showed that sort of feeling and it's pretty much my main theory of why Norwee self-hammered. This would hint at Drew and Clidd again.

[Mohab500]

I don't get your stance. Can you explain in simpler/briefer terms? Do you agree with my theory or not, for that matter?

[Mohab500]

I vote fast night plz, let's do this quick.

[Mohab500]

Can confirm, VOTE: clidd

[Mohab500]

I think this got pretty interesting towards the end of D2, where pretty much all of had found the scum team already. On another note, I am glad my read on Norwee wasn't just paranoia from last game.

[Mohab500]

Btw all topics are still private, that right?