Open 783: We Need a Fourth (Game over)

[Klick]

FoS: Not Known 15

Because we need A Fourth, and taking out the bot immediately would just be rude.

[Klick]

Bold choice, putting someone to L-2 in a game with two scum.

[Klick]

And we're not hammering. Neat.

[Klick]

To be clear, if the scumteam was me/A Fourth, the game would be over - TownBot would shoot NK15 and whoever joined the wagon second.

[Klick]

Do you think my intro to the game is town, A Fourth?

PEdit: He seems to have a certain reckless abandon that is endearing.

[Klick]

I thought i'd seen your main at some point for some reason Tommy, but I looked and it's not outted. *shrug*

You should vote for Bot.

[Klick]

Are you implying you were aware of the implications of your vote when you cast it, NK?

[Klick]

@Kerset: How do we resolve a scenario where we can't agree on a lynch?

[Klick]

if nobody reaches majority by deadline, whoever has the most votes first will be lynched instead.

Oh nvm

[Klick]

@Kerset: If TownBot only has one vote on them at deadline and they are the lynch, how does it resolve its two kills?

[Klick]

@Kerset: If TownBot only has one vote on them at deadline and they are the lynch, how does it resolve its two kills?

[Klick]

Alright.

Bot is getting lynched today. The question is whether I'm hammering, or AF is. I don't think it's a conspiracy.

Who do you think should go first, NK15?

[Klick]

...wait, shit. If it is a conspiracy, what actually is the play?
I only have one vote. If NK15 doesn't unvote ever, then the very best I can do is 50-50 by refusing to vote Bot. Welp.

I propose a player-enforced rule:

We only vote, at all, when we've all agreed to vote. Breaking this a scumclaim.

There is zero town incentive to not agree to this.

NK15, unvote.

[Klick]

Then this game is going to have a very anticlimactic, random ending, because I'm never voting Bot.

[Klick]

There are no downsides to unvoting from a town!you perspective.

Meanwhile, from the perspective of whichever of me/AF is town (and one of us HAS to be town from your perspective), the only thing you're accomplishing is forcing a 50/50 if you're scum with the other human.

[Klick]

Alright.

Bot is getting lynched today. The question is whether I'm hammering, or AF is. I don't think it's a conspiracy.

Who do you think should go first, NK15?

Then this game is going to have a very anticlimactic, random ending, because I'm never voting Bot.

What changed your mind?

Are you cOnSpIrInG?

NK15 playing to specifically a conspiracy wincon changed my mind.

I'm not scum, and I think that's fairly evident by now.

[Klick]

I don't think that's quite how LAMIST works but putting that aside for now

I'm not scum with either of you because my actions so far have been far enough removed from what you two seem to be doing that it's pretty clear I'm not working together with anyone to coordinate what I'm saying

And I'm not scum with Bot because I've thought way more about this situation from a Town mindset than I would have if it didn't matter to my wincon.

[Klick]

I don't see either of you trying to read me

I have zero problems with self-meta and this is well-documented.

[Klick]

AF, you see the value in NK15 unvoting as much as I do, right?

[Klick]

Wait, I'm stupid. The play here is simple.

VOTE: Not Known 15

If he's scum, he reveals a townie and it's a 50-50.
If he's town, he shoots Bot and it's a 50-50.

You have just as much reason to do this as I do if you're town, AF.

[Klick]

You voting Bot is good for me regardless of alignment.

[Klick]

You'd have scored a fair amount of town points if you had done it fwiw.

[Klick]

I can see you both as scum still. If you're both scum, your objective is to distance as much as possible and convince me this isn't a conspiracy. Going with contrasting plans doesn't mean you're unaligned.

That is exactly why you should have supported NK unvoting: if NK and I were scum together, that forces a random 50-50 at best for you. (Before this new plan came up of course)

[Klick]

How's that? I don't think there's any way this game can end in a draw?

[Klick]

If the bot is lynched and is Town, the Bot will immediately shoot both the players who voted it first and second.

I suppose that's one interpretation of this rule. I took this to mean that the Bot would do this Day 1. Even so, there would be 1 Town and 1 Scum alive at the point we lynched the Bot, leading to a Mafia win.

@Kerset: Does the above rule apply even on Day 2?

[Klick]

VOTE: Bot

What an odd loophole.

[Klick]

If the bot is lynched and is Mafia, the partner selects someone to reveal.

I feel like this rule implies it shouldn't work on D2, but I'll take it regardless.

[Klick]

Of course, one

could

argue that Not Known 15 and A Fourth were the two players to vote Bot first and second, meaning that if Bot is town, I wouldn't get shot.

...right?

[Klick]

It was short enough and we've had a chance to get used to the rules - I'd be fine to play again don't beat yourself up Kerset.

It should be clear what was intended by the setup!

[Klick]

Did you actually misinterpret the rule about the Bot shooting on D2? Or did you find that technically it could be interpreted that way and start playing it that way to see if it would stick?

[Klick]

I was ready to slam a hammer vote on AF until I heard the draw thing. It only made sense to accept a draw as worst-case scenario instead of possibly losing, even though my intuition told me it was a conspiracy.

[Klick]

Same

[Klick]

VOTE: Not Known 15

Calling it now - Kerset didn't reroll the setup at all.

[Klick]

Ohhh that could be it. What do you think Bot?

[Klick]

Associatives this early? You're better than that, surely.

[Klick]

And I wanted to test

your

reaction with my own reaction, you see. You have fallen right into my trap!

[Klick]

Klick, why do you feel so different this round?

You two haven't been interesting enough yet.

If you feel like I'm scum, lynch me. I have a decent idea of what I'll do if I flip.

[Klick]

For one, I don't think it's a conspiracy. You don't read as scum with NK15.

[Klick]

Your responses in particular. NK15 hasn't given me much, but you've made it fairly clear that you're not aligned with him. You read like you're solving instead of working off of him, which means either you're town or you're scum with Bot and don't have anyone to work off of.

[Klick]

I think you're town who will make the wrong decision at LyLo.
VOTE: Klick

Hammer me. I'll probably kill Bot first.

[Klick]

Shoot: Not Known 15

[Klick]

You did just say you thought it was me! I didn't think you would flip around to having me as your top townread from there. And if I think I have the solve I might as well go for it.

[Klick]

I should let you both make a case, really.
Bot started off rather townie, but lurked it out towards the end. Whereas AF is my new shiny townread.

[Klick]

That is an excellent case. I am awestruck.

VOTE: Bot
This was fun! ggs

[Klick]

This was fun! Nice quick format, probably good for Marathons.