SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[OkaPoka]

thanks babe

anyone we can trust to be a bible of whats happened the past few days? before i make my wheel

[OkaPoka]

can u guys trust me to be 100% conf town

i have proven myself to have no agenda other than lynch all lurkers

but some say you either die the hero or live long enough to become villain

[OkaPoka]

vt popcorn firebringer

[OkaPoka]

gobbles

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: flavor leaf

[OkaPoka]

has gobbles fullclaimed yet or nah?

[OkaPoka]

i think FL is og scum, is there reason i should believe im wrong?

[OkaPoka]

you forget but nothing will convince except quote walls because i literally havent read posts bada bing bada boom

[OkaPoka]

ok im bored lq hasn't moved over yet maybe i do vote gobbles

[OkaPoka]

who would that be

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: firebringer

bleh i dont feel good about this but at the same time i feel the best about this one

[OkaPoka]

Why is Flavor Leaf town?

[OkaPoka]

never have been and never will be infected

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: licketyquickety

dont @me

[OkaPoka]

well if you think about it, using your role is kinda against the rules and your existing wincon therefore your role can't exist therefore bye bye

[OkaPoka]

Claiming scum by yourself or with other players is fine provided that it is clear to the moderator you are not attempting to throw the game.

@mod: HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, if an infected person were to claim they were infected for the purpose of hoping someone had a cure, Would it be considered throwing the game?

Since you should strive to achieve your current win condition, this would likely count as not playing towards your win condition. (Getting cured does not advance the Infected win condition.)

I would like to cite the case of

Especially the Lies v Covid 19, 1114

In this landmark case, the Supreme ruling authority has established the precedent that getting playing to get cured does not advance the Infected win condition therefore not playing to your win condition. Now through this we can extrapolate to this case

Maxwell and Flavor Leaf v OkaPoka, 8514

. Seeing as you were infected Night 4, we can establish the idea that you indeed had the infected win condition thus curing yourself would not be playing to the infected win condition thus rendering you committing the ultimate sin of "throwing the game"

Now the natural rights established in the existence of MS.net and the use common sense clause establishes the idea that we can assume the moderator is not going to bait his players into violating their own game rules.

So Justice OkaPoka would like to submit the opinion

VOTE: Maxwell

[OkaPoka]

Justice Pisskop appears to have joined the majority opinion!

If anyone would like to file a dissenting opinion, concurring opinion, or would like to join an opinion, please speak up! No recusing!

[OkaPoka]

I will consult the Head Justice for deliberation.

[OkaPoka]

ok uh

maybe this is not so straightforward

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: aristophanes

[OkaPoka]

I'm going to do what all great governments do and kick these issues down the road

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: LQ

it was entertaining at one point but

[OkaPoka]

or im busy irl

[OkaPoka]

well i was on break but i have classes again so im coasting a lot and i think people who flake are scum of the earth so id rather not flake

[OkaPoka]

and well - frankly im burned out a bit and was trying to do stuff earlier this game but honestly, i felt like don quijote fighting windmills

[OkaPoka]

i just want to vote someone and then disappear so we can wrap this one up

[OkaPoka]

anyways my role is wack, im not actually vt

i actually became survivor because i targetted someone who wasn't infected

so if scum could do me a favor and scumclaim with their infected buds that'd be great, i see that you guys aren't going to infect me anyways and this game is dreary so lets get this show on the road so i can siteflake

[OkaPoka]

which is why ive been so anti lynching infected

i just want to lynch the fastest way to end this game i really really dont care about the infected, lets just end this game adfasdfadsfa

[OkaPoka]

nope

i am survivor

[OkaPoka]

town is boring im scumsiding if scum would like to out themselves please do so we can wrap this one up

playing detective is pretty fun and is the whole ms.net fantasy but also i dont careeee

[OkaPoka]

scum you know im not infected so zzz ill be waiting for them claims

[OkaPoka]

this is literally me giving up im not playing detective anymore im outting that im survivor who is going to side with scum to hopefully end this game asap

[OkaPoka]

like believe it or not playing detective is the majority of what makes ms.net fun for me, but i cant be assed to play detective anymore so im literally outting myself to wrap this up

<3 u 2 firebringer, ill be back for dance games hopefully

[OkaPoka]

im a mad scientist turned failed mad scientist

[OkaPoka]

im a mad scientist turned failed mad scientist

What happens if you had targeted non infected? Who'd you target?

well its not really non infected ig, its if i target someone and they aren't cured as a result of it, i turn into a neutral survivor

who cares who i targetted, that's private info

[OkaPoka]

you won't know who's infected, you will know who i failed to cure on a specific night

[OkaPoka]

tbh not interested in playing 20 questions with anyone unless they can pronounce me two other names and a list of other names and have the two other names verify

[OkaPoka]

actually it doesnt really matter i just need one scum to out themselves and give me who we need to lynch

[OkaPoka]

although, if you wanted to rally your infected bros, you guys should also out everyone you've infected to establish credibility fwiw

[OkaPoka]

intent to vote gobbles

[OkaPoka]

intent to vote gobbles

Wut? Do you like, have to ask your parents permission before you vote to make sure it's okay or what?

wow you are so witty!

[OkaPoka]

so your proposition is im group scum fucking around with a neutral survivor claim? i mean i hate to self meta but im a risk averse player when playing scum

[OkaPoka]

Actually

I don't even need to self-meta here lolz, why would scum in general decide to fuck around with a neutral survivor gambit when they are

winning

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: ari

[OkaPoka]

dave help a homie out and vote ari

[OkaPoka]

dave u arent voting anyone btw btw btw

[OkaPoka]

so is dave just stalling

[OkaPoka]

r u telling the claimed survivor to stop pretending they are town? LULW

[OkaPoka]

so is everyone just stalling lol

[OkaPoka]

We won? I thought we were in lylo lol

[OkaPoka]

I did not understand this game

[OkaPoka]

The response to self cure question was idk, but i guess it wouldve been lame to have scum lynched on a technicality

[OkaPoka]

also because alchemist was wondering in dead thread, my survivor claim weird shit was def me being really bored and mis-thinking that we were in lylo so i decided to survivor gambit as a last ditch effort to catch the scumteam since i thought the game was pretty much doomed if people were going to get exponentially infected ( i didn't even realize natural cures)

i thought you were acting increasingly scummy and i would've infected you so i thought you were scum but idk what you meant by me crumbing that you were infected lol

[OkaPoka]

also what the fuck was jake's question

[OkaPoka]

well scum didn't even know about natural recoveries lmao i don't blame them for not killing off their own infected

[OkaPoka]

i just think this setup played itself rather than us playing the setup

sure we could've hypothetically figured out parts of the setup, but so many hidden mechanics and no roles to help piece together the puzzle makes it impossibly hard to not brush off even correct theories. maybe in a future where setups with many hidden mechanics like these are standard, this would be a good setup, but right now the setup had too many hidden layers for us to really be players with agency.


i think the truly bastard element of the setup was the subversion of expectation of what is optimal play. its a cult game, and the expectation of a cult game is to kill off the recruiters, piecing together infected can recruit is i guess reasonable-esque, but the expectation of balance and expectation of minimizing swing makes it hard to think about having exponential infection growth through the infected and natural recoveries. those mechanics are just so inherently swingy, that even if someone brought up that theory, it probably would've been ignored. after all, the core idea of mafia shouldn't be to stall and wait for the problem to disappear, but its about the active threat of an informed minority faction, forcing town to take action by virtue time is against them. there needed at least to be roles that had extra info about the setup i think.



re: alchemist

me sheeping pisskop was me acting under the assumption that infected knew about parts of the scumteam at least (full blind traitors felt wrong to me), so I thought he might have been revealing a scumbuddy so I could cure him ( i was gambitting myself as a curer if you remember

[OkaPoka]

i think if you want to deviate heavily for standard norms of ms.net and have hidden mechanics that play a signifcant role, you gotta have some flavor roles at the very least that makes it more obvious that there are these mechanics

like idk, town researcher- if you target infected you learn something about the disease (in this case people can recover naturally)