SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Auro]

Pisskop says otherwise, though?

[OkaPoka]

intent to vote gobbles

Wut? Do you like, have to ask your parents permission before you vote to make sure it's okay or what?

wow you are so witty!

[davesaz]

Pisskop says otherwise, though?

Otherwise what?

[Auro]

Didn't he claim that he can't infect?

[LicketyQuickety]

Didn't he claim that he can't infect?

Oka claimed that if he tries to cure someone and they are not Infected that they become Infected. There's a lot of BSery surrounding Oka that I don't particularly like.

[Auro]

VOTE: OkaPoka

[davesaz]

Didn't he claim that he can't infect?

Yes, I've posted a couple times about the discrepancy. I don't know if this means there are multiple varieties of infection, or if pisskop is lying about it.

It benefits scum to make infected seem less dangerous. In a world where scum know that the wagon choices are between town and infected there is strong motivation to push for "scum lynches" on players they know to not be scum. They are shielded from repercussions by the appearance of doing something town motivated. I think town have been far too complacent on relying on a cure and allowing the semi-obvious and quite frankly to be expected "disease spread" mechanic to be downplayed.

I'm starting to talk myself into a yolo push on pisskop. He's one of the strongest suspects if you look at this from the angle of pushing that infected are harmless. At least going by memory he's the one I remember the most doing that.

[davesaz]

Didn't he claim that he can't infect?

Oka claimed that if he tries to cure someone and they are not Infected that they become Infected. There's a lot of BSery surrounding Oka that I don't particularly like.

Why did you take this pisskop discussion and morph it into an Oka discussion?

[Auro]

But if all infected people could infect, wouldn't it have exploded by this point? We're just consistently seeing one infect per day, except for the time we saw 2.

[Auro]

Also, can someone quote Alchemist's crumb - because I missed that?

[davesaz]

But if all infected people could infect, wouldn't it have exploded by this point? We're just consistently seeing one infect per day, except for the time we saw 2.

Given the flips it might be blind luck that it hasn't exploded.
There were at least 4 people who infected couldn't pass it on to (3 scum and a social distancer) so far. Plus the chance of hitting already infected.

I don't disagree with the possibility of there being two or more kinds of infected. I brought up that possibility to begin with.

[LicketyQuickety]

Didn't he claim that he can't infect?

Oka claimed that if he tries to cure someone and they are not Infected that they become Infected. There's a lot of BSery surrounding Oka that I don't particularly like.

Why did you take this pisskop discussion and morph it into an Oka discussion?

It wasn't "away from" Piss. I would probably lynch Piss at this point. I was just trying to show Oka is up to some smelly things and I'd rather put some pressure there before it's too late.

I just kinda feel awkward about Piss in general. Like, he's not particularly active, reason suggests he's AT LEAST Infected, but something is holding me back and I am not really sure what that is. His overall presence itt is actually not bad. He's come out and said some boldish things that I think fair him well. Still, by the numbers, he looks to be pretty ugly. The thing is, A50 was ugly too, by the numbers.

FL was bad. I felt their claim was bat shit crazy, but afaik the replacement, Maxwell, hasn't really said a damn thing about his pred and I really don't know how to read that at all. I would have expected a, "Hey my pred was weird, could we like just toss out everything he has said and call it a wash since it IS FL and all?" Still, their points have been good and I would hate to lynch a slot like that with good content. Do we read them based on the pred or not? I really don't know.

Where do you stand on FL?

[Auro]

I don't disagree with the possibility of there being two or more kinds of infected. I brought up that possibility to begin with.

Strains of viruses. I like that idea.

I think the average case being one where it explodes makes little sense from a game design perspective, though. How would you go about balancing a setup that swings exponentially?

[Radical Rat]

Okay, somehow I completely missed that post. And that was toDay so... Guess I was wrong.

It looked to me like Alchemist was crumbing gobbles as his target, and yesterDay gobbles mentioned having a PGO shot as part of the JoAT claim. So when Alchemist died, AND we got a new infection, I immediately assumed that meant instead of that death being scum's NK, it was gobbles' PGO being triggered.
But yeah, claiming "not not scum" kind of shuts that theory down, so...

VOTE: gobbledygook

Why do you think Gobble is PGO?

Also, why would Alch crumb Gobble when Gobble hadn't actually claimed infected yet?

Because Gobbles claimed that. I no longer believe that claim, but that claim was what my Gobbles is Town theory was based on. As for the crumb, I'm too lazy to grab the quote, but Alchemist asked for him to claim if he was infected and that he would heal him. That's when Gobbles kinda sorta claimed by linking topical music.

[Auro]

And then Gobbles kills Alch, instead of acting like he's cured today and Alch confirming having targeted him?

[davesaz]

It wasn't "away from" Piss. I would probably lynch Piss at this point. I was just trying to show Oka is up to some smelly things and I'd rather put some pressure there before it's too late.

You say this, but why wouldn't you quote something from Oka, or just make your point without the pisskop-related quote?

I'll respond to the other parts of your post separately.

[LicketyQuickety]

It wasn't "away from" Piss. I would probably lynch Piss at this point. I was just trying to show Oka is up to some smelly things and I'd rather put some pressure there before it's too late.

You say this, but why wouldn't you quote something from Oka, or just make your point without the pisskop-related quote?

I'll respond to the other parts of your post separately.

To show where I had read to.

[LicketyQuickety]

Plus I thought they were talking about Oka.

[LicketyQuickety]

It was in relation to Oka as per what I said later about Oka claiming to turn people into Infected upon curing non-Infected. That's why I thought they were talking about Oka.

[davesaz]

FL was bad. I felt their claim was bat shit crazy, but afaik the replacement, Maxwell, hasn't really said a damn thing about his pred and I really don't know how to read that at all. I would have expected a, "Hey my pred was weird, could we like just toss out everything he has said and call it a wash since it IS FL and all?" Still, their points have been good and I would hate to lynch a slot like that with good content. Do we read them based on the pred or not? I really don't know.

Where do you stand on FL?

FL felt odd all game, but I have struggled with figuring out whether it was "usual odd" or "unusual odd".
The role makes sense for the flavor, but Flavor is a setup guru and could have fabricated a fake role that makes perfect sense.

Maxwell going along with the claim tells us almost nothing. If it's a scum fakeclaim it was almost certainly hashed out in the scum thread and maxwell therefore would have a reference to follow. If it's a true claim then he has the role PM to work from regardless of alignment.

We have to read the slot by its reads and votes. Is there a thread to follow and does that thread show town motivation, or is it just going with the flow without any accountability.

[davesaz]

Oka claimed that if he tries to cure someone and they are not Infected that they become Infected.

I didn't read it quite that way, unless it was in a different place.

[Nero Cain]

if I were to assume no scum gambits I wonder what I'd come up with. I'll let you know in a bit

[Nero Cain]

former infected

pisskop
davesaz
maxwell?

currently infected or lying about it

clidd
gobbledygook
maxwell?

players that I think are infected

Hoctac
OkaPoka


n1-piss
n3-gobble?
n4-dave
n4-clidd/oka?
n5-hoctac

ofc I'm making some assumptions here. Any way you slice it though, I think there are to many players claiming infected to actually be infected therefore someone is lying somewhere.

Clidd and/or maxwell are prob groupscum. If they are both scum or the 2 group scum are some combination of fake claiming infection then maybe there's only a single scum between

2. Auro
6. Aristophanes
7. LicketyQuickety
8. Radical Rat
20. Firebringer

and I kinda lean FB

so a preliminary solve might be fire/clidd/oka/hotac/gobble/maxwell

@ ppl thoughts?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: aristophanes

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm waiting for someone to claim that they cured dave.