Redneck Mafia GAME OVER PARTNER!

[Logicalicaltist]

will there be a tomorrow for you?

VOTE: Pooky

People seem to choose this vote with no remorse.
Interesting.

[Logicalicaltist]

Also, obligatory......'Swear I am not 3p this time guys' post.

Are you 4P then??

Also

VOTE: Pooky

Because Drew told me to (in the scum PT, of course)

Fun fact: I am disappointed I didn't roll scum in this game in particular. Drew said he wanted to be scum with me in the sign-up thread and I though "I wish that happens and our third would be Jay!". Looks like I didn't cross my fingers or press my thumb hard enough (or whatever you guys do to get your wishes to come true".

With all these votes there’s bound to be a scum somewhere In here.

[Logicalicaltist]

I'm starting to get frightened at how fast the Pooky wagon is getting in

RVS

Any reason besides Doctor Drew naked SRing Pooky... oh wait 26 is a scumclaim.

Somehow I feel this makes Pooky feel towny.

Alchemist's claim don't make no no sense.

At least your not voting like a maniac.

[Logicalicaltist]

I TR you

I think from how fast your wagon went makes you more likely Town.
So I slightly TR you as well.

[Logicalicaltist]

Pooky faking a post restriction; vote stays.

He said Pre-Game he was only going to post in images.

[Logicalicaltist]

So I can form actual townreads and scumreads

DGB pings me scum a little for the insistence on staying on Pooky acting werid

VOTE: DGB

Pedit: yeah but considering the wincon it would make him more likely to be targeted by those wanting eliminate actual scum with the lynch

So is this how we start Day 1?
Only a main wagon and a CW?
Shame.

[Logicalicaltist]

I got a 1-shot vig, so I'll use it on you and you become a survivor with a gun. How's that sound?

Town/Scum/SK/Survivor/Moderator/Spectator crumb detected. Now tell me HOW am I going to be wrong this time.

I’ve finished catching up.
Going to place a vote down on one of the Pooky voters.

VOTE: Votato

[Logicalicaltist]

VOTE: Lavender

DD is town.

I'd appreciate it if someone could define "3p" for me.

Third Party Role.
Not Town nor Mafia.

[Logicalicaltist]

So I can form actual townreads and scumreads

DGB pings me scum a little for the insistence on staying on Pooky acting werid

VOTE: DGB

Pedit: yeah but considering the wincon it would make him more likely to be targeted by those wanting eliminate actual scum with the lynch

So is this how we start Day 1?
Only a main wagon and a CW?
Shame.

Another person attacking lichboy over this vote.....kid mustve struck gold.

VOTE: dripper-Goofball

Not attacking.
Questioning.

[Logicalicaltist]

I got a 1-shot vig, so I'll use it on you and you become a survivor with a gun. How's that sound?

Town/Scum/SK/Survivor/Moderator/Spectator crumb detected. Now tell me HOW am I going to be wrong this time.

I’ve finished catching up.
Going to place a vote down on one of the Pooky voters.

VOTE: Votato

real big yikes. guess I got my scumteam. ez solve

What’s wrong with my conclusion here?
Is Votato your strongest Town read?
Who is your scum team prediction? You should state all of em in the same post.
Why does the chicken cross the road?

[Logicalicaltist]

seems like a pretty good way to get people to not use their abilities on you, no?

Why do you think town are now inclined to help you win as 3p, instead of using their abilities to catch scum?

Your play makes no sense as 3p trying to win like this. It does make sense as scum.

So I take it you don’t play like this as 3P?
Do you not like 3P?
I take it you feel he’s trying to avoid being targeted?
Wouldn’t we be using our abilities to catch scum? You said in your above post that it’s a good way to not use our abilities on Alchemist and now your saying we aren’t using our abilities to get scum?
I’m confused. This is contradicting.
This play makes absolute sense as 3P. As their goal is to win by their win con and nothing more.
You say “it does make sense as scum” but your forgetting he could secretly be an SK 3P and never brought that up.
You could have said “it does make sense as scum” instead of saying “it does make sense as Mafia”
And if your saying that you also insisted he could be SK!Scum then that contradicts what you just said on your sentence before it.
2 Contradictions so far, let’s see if you make more moving forward.

I think your just purposely trying to throw doubt on the 3P Claim instead of ignoring it for now and focusing on whom should be the day 1 Lynch. IMO it shouldn’t be a 3P Claim.
Let’s see. How do you respond over pressure?
VOTE: Vecna

[Logicalicaltist]

Ah my bad made an error, just noticed.

So let me redo that.

You could have said “it does make sense as mafia” instead of “it does make sense as scum”
Even though I wouldn’t agree with that. It’s the proper way to phrase what your wrote so it doesn’t become contradicting.

[Logicalicaltist]

Auro did you get people to no lynch day 1?

oof you never no-lynch

You seem like a Meme player.
Make sure to make a readslist before the day ends.

[Logicalicaltist]

I got a 1-shot vig, so I'll use it on you and you become a survivor with a gun. How's that sound?

Town/Scum/SK/Survivor/Moderator/Spectator crumb detected. Now tell me HOW am I going to be wrong this time.

I’ve finished catching up.
Going to place a vote down on one of the Pooky voters.

VOTE: Votato

how did you decide which one or was it more or less at random or

I Chose the one I felt was getting the least attention.

[Logicalicaltist]

my role pm has all yours beat regardless. Still cant believe this was an actual thing that got approved by someone

mine is boring af but the mod is cool so it balances out



vecna's town

ill wait until im townreading dgb before i decide if im sheeping her

didn't like doc drew's shade about taking the game too seriously

ok thats enough internet for today my e-friends i'm gonna go back to doing whatever it is i do

You said your sheeping DGB But your not town reading them but instead you Town read Vecna the one who I believe is voting them.
Why do you TR’ed Vecna?
Maybe it’s a specific post? Maybe a Gut Read?
Tell us why!

[Logicalicaltist]

Auro did you get people to no lynch day 1?

oof you never no-lynch

You seem like a Meme player.
Make sure to make a readslist before the day ends.

i shall not

Ok then give your top 3 Town Reads before day ends.

[Logicalicaltist]

Auro 50 elsa

So you Town read 2 participants and a spectator.
Nice!

[Logicalicaltist]

Here I’ll one up you.

My Top 3 Town
Pooky, Alchemist and TL.

My Town Spectator
beeboy

[Logicalicaltist]

Perhaps I should do “Top 3 Players I trust most.”
Before someone points out that Alchemist is a 3P and therefore not aligned with Town.

[Logicalicaltist]

why pooki

theyve done nothing but gif meme.

their push is reactive and NAI

ftm why tl and alch?

Well all they said they are doing this game is GIF’s.
Someone even pushed them because they thought Pooky was faking a post restriction and didn’t bother to read the Pre-Game post Pooky made.
The wagon on them was fast and desperate with little to no hesitation.
Although I think it’s most likely a Town driven wagon as I don’t believe multiple scum was on that, I still think it shows Pooky is more likely Town Aligned then scum Aligned here.

I have TL there because we shared a similar thought process which makes me more inclined to trust him.

I feel like despite Alchemist Claiming 3P, his overall attitude and tone he has given was genuine Townie.
Yes he’s trying to fulfill his wincon. But he’s not being anti-Town about it. He’s trying to solve and generating content like a Townie would. As such like TL, I also trust Alchemist here as well.

Now it’s your turn.
Why 50 and Elsa?

[Logicalicaltist]

my role pm has all yours beat regardless. Still cant believe this was an actual thing that got approved by someone

mine is boring af but the mod is cool so it balances out



vecna's town

ill wait until im townreading dgb before i decide if im sheeping her

didn't like doc drew's shade about taking the game too seriously

ok thats enough internet for today my e-friends i'm gonna go back to doing whatever it is i do

You said your sheeping DGB But your not town reading them but instead you Town read Vecna the one who I believe is voting them.
Why do you TR’ed Vecna?
Maybe it’s a specific post? Maybe a Gut Read?
Tell us why!

On page six, it's gut

On page three hundred it will still be like 75% gut

correctly getting DGB's alignment on Day 1 seems like an effort in futility, I mean that's not nearly enough time to consult spirits, read tea leaves or have fever dreams

I don't think townreading two people

where one is voting the other is weird

or even worth mentioning, and that's a strange place for you to go

And I'm not townreading DGB yet anyway because it's page six of day one

Never said it was “weird”
Just trying to figure out how you reached your conclusion there.
So if Vecna is A Gut Town Read and you still haven’t figured out your read on DGB, then I suppose when you said you would Sheep DGB that was a joke or a friendly gesture?

[Logicalicaltist]

pisskop doesn't seem that impressive to me though they are showing promise with the question

Yeah well we will see what they have to say about their A50 and Elsa Read.

[Logicalicaltist]

Pooky faking a post restriction; vote stays.

pretending like it wasnt announced hed only post in gifs in signup

jumping straight away that it has to be faked

gucci or bueno this is not

I couldn't remember who asked this but I found it


What makes you think she even read the signup thread and would have seen Pooky post that

She was one of the first to sign up; I just checked. Pooky stated the thing about the gifs at the very end of the thread

I dunno bout you but I don't hang out in the sign up thread after I /in

And in fact, I didn't even use the signup thread for this game; the mod invited me

So what makes you think she was pretending not to have seen it, when it's quite possible she hadn't? Hell, I myself hadn't seen it until just now.

I’ll save this post in case I need to bring this up in the future.

[Logicalicaltist]

Who hasn't posted yet? I feel like we're missing people.

i havent. im gonna lurk until day 3-4

No, you signed up to be my sidekick.

No lurking allowed.

I thought that was my role?
I signed up to play Batman and Robin.
I wanted to be a Sherlock Robin.

[Logicalicaltist]

Unvote

VOTE: Vecna

Also im the only bully here, if u wanna fight you better do it rap-battle style and actually bring something to the table.

Heck, if you don’t have any for Vecna, I’ll pull up so good rap burns for you to use on them.

[Logicalicaltist]

Who hasn't posted yet? I feel like we're missing people.

i havent. im gonna lurk until day 3-4

No, you signed up to be my sidekick.

No lurking allowed.

wait but how did i sign up to be your sidekick without posting?

I accidentally put your name instead of mine in the application

[Logicalicaltist]

@votato

Ain’t it great we are in the same game together again?

[Logicalicaltist]

I notice Pine and Gobble seem to be slackers.
If they could just get some interactions going with other players that’d help allot!

I can’t get a solid read on them when they only have like 1 post.

[Logicalicaltist]

I already ride a magical steed. The donkey with a glued on horn is a downgrade. So no, it's not offensive.

whoa there! Calling me a donkey is pretty racist though

How dare you Elsa!
Judging by Votato’s PFP and the power of my Logical Mind.
I determined Votato is a Unidonkey.
So comparing Votato to something much below them is rather disgraceful.

[Logicalicaltist]

In that particular moment, you framed a post about alignment-finding as if it were a joke at no one's expense. This is a clever and fun way to direct the attention of the thread away from the content in the post. So, my inference is that you did that intentionally, because you read the post enough to make that post, but you still made

that

post. I think this behavior helps scum, so it makes me think that scum performed the behavior.

I have never played with you before, so it is possible that there is another explanation for your behavior other than that you are scum. So, I asked you why you posted that in order to learn other explanations for your behavior.

Honestly I agree with you to an extent.
As this is a very logical post.

Yes what they did can be a scummy thing and yes it’s a way scum can do it to get away with it.
But you also have to take into consideration that sometimes Town does scummy things.
But yeah I do agree that it is a probable outcome.
I haven’t really played with Elsa that much. But I will say a good way to read someone is to observe and watch their interactions.
See who they interact with and who they don’t.
Who they defend.
How they defend.
Who they push.
How they push.
How they respond
How they interact in 1 on 1 Conversations.
Etc.

By all means if you think their scum vote them to apply pressure.
But never vote them with the intent of wanting them instantly lynched.

All this applies to everyone, not just Elsa.
If you need more advice on when it comes to solving alignment or deciding what the best course of action is feel free to try and get other people’s opinions like mine.
As I know I can solve. While they might not always be on point they aren’t far off either.

[Logicalicaltist]

In that particular moment, you framed a post about alignment-finding as if it were a joke at no one's expense. This is a clever and fun way to direct the attention of the thread away from the content in the post. So, my inference is that you did that intentionally, because you read the post enough to make that post, but you still made

that

post. I think this behavior helps scum, so it makes me think that scum performed the behavior.

I have never played with you before, so it is possible that there is another explanation for your behavior other than that you are scum. So, I asked you why you posted that in order to learn other explanations for your behavior.

I made a joke because I was bored, and left the alignment stuff in your post for someone smarter to use later.

In short, if I make a nonsense joke post, I am bored or think it's funny and will post it. If I only address one thing from a post its because that's the only thing I wanna talk about, though enough pushing will make me answer the rest of it if I seem it relevant.

Logic reading me isn't the best move. It's more of a feel thing.

A few people genuinely can read my emotions and mood. Almost isn't one of them.

Me reading you isn’t the best move?
It’s more of a feeling thing?

What did I say that wasn’t the “Best Move”?

[Logicalicaltist]

I mean I’ll admit “Best” is a strong word but I would like you to elaborate more on what you meant so I can understand where your at.

[Logicalicaltist]

pine hasnt posted? i would just consider it an empty slot fn.

False.
They posted on Page 1.

[Logicalicaltist]

VOTE: Alchemist

I just really cannot shake the feeling that something is iffy about this slot. Having a free day1 lynch on a non-town faction with some scum equity?

Dissuade me if u can

No reason to lynch a Survivor like role if they are benefiting us.
Which they are.
I don’t see them playing Anti-Town here.

[Logicalicaltist]

If their claim is fake it can be found out later on.
No need to waste our Day 1 Lynch.

[Logicalicaltist]

I also disagree with insta-lynching a 3p on day1

Good to know you are a logical one.
Can’t the same for everyone in this game.

[Logicalicaltist]

Damn I was trying to say “Can’t say the same” but apparently my keyboard had a mind of its own and decided to make the post not make sense instead of saying what I wanted to say

[Logicalicaltist]

Dude


This IS progressing the game. His claim is part of the game.

And you must be drunk if you think "kill the claimed third party" is a safer "soapbox" than "let him live"

More like “let him live for Day 1”
That’s the smarter move.
We would be wasting a lynch.
Yes he could end up siding with scum but if you actually did a hard read and focused. You can lynch scum Day 1 instead of a 3P Claim.

[Logicalicaltist]

I personally just think it’s pointless.
While I admit it’s not a total loss, imagine being a Survivor and Claiming Day 1 only to get lynched.
It’d suck ass.
And if you Fake Claim and you later say your a Survivor you’ll be lynched.
So unless your applying that Survivor be only scum Aligned, Alchemist logically shouldn’t be the lynch today.
If you believe that Survivor should always be scum Aligned then make a petition about it.

[Logicalicaltist]

And I'm not even saying oh let's quicklynch him or oh he absolutely has to fuckin die right now


Day one is some boring ass shit, and at least the claim gives me a jumping off point


And it's not like I'm dead fuckin set on lynching him today, my preference is I don't let third parties live. If a better or scummier option comes up then we rope that instead

But if you're gonna scum read someone just because they don't trust a third party claim, then pal have I got some real bad news for you

I’ll be honest.
This response here is quite genuine.

[Logicalicaltist]

Dude


This IS progressing the game. His claim is part of the game.

And you must be drunk if you think "kill the claimed third party" is a safer "soapbox" than "let him live"

More like “let him live for Day 1”
That’s the smarter move.
We would be wasting a lynch.
Yes he could end up siding with scum but if you actually did a hard read and focused. You can lynch scum Day 1 instead of a 3P Claim.

I'd be perfectly happy to lynch scum on day one instead of a third party.

The thing is, it's only day one and no one has claimed scum, probably because that would be stupid.

So right now, this is where the discussion is. And it's disingenuous as hell for pisskop to pretend that it's a distraction from the game. It's not etched in Fucking stone. It's day one discussion of a claim in the game.

Fair.

[Logicalicaltist]

Care to find a way through the gif-love-stream to demonstrate where I went wrong?

You know this is not what I meant

What did you mean?

[Logicalicaltist]

gobble's ISO is a bunch of nothing

I second this.

[Logicalicaltist]

When has town not gotten rolled by third party BS players? How often do third party claims turn out scum?

C'mon people

If they are scum they will become more obvious later on.

[Logicalicaltist]

Imagine iso'ing that garbage. It's such anti-town behavior. I hate it passionately.

Let me guess.
Is your top scum reads the GiF and the 3P?
lol.
Please tell me that isn’t the case bud.

[Logicalicaltist]

@A50, here's your iso and my sense of each post:

Fun fact: I am disappointed I didn't roll scum in this game in particular. Drew said he wanted to be scum with me in the sign-up thread and I though "I wish that happens and our third would be Jay!". Looks like I didn't cross my fingers or press my thumb hard enough (or whatever you guys do to get your wishes to come true".

Fluffy first post referring to friends. Includes a reference to Pooky in the deleted part. No scumhunting.

Wasn't that the case in the baker's wrestling game we just finished?

Shooting the shit. Not scumhunting.

It's only @3 votes I believe???

Game state "helpfulness." Not scumhunting.

You obviously haven't played with Firebringer or Not_Mafia before.

Shooting the shit. Not scumhutning.

Do as you wish. You'd probably get a kick out of my flip anyway (but not what you're implying for certain).

This kind of comment is PR-hunting.

@Drew: Wouldn't you like yo wait to see a confirmation that the scum team is indeed of 3 persons? I mean, how would you feel if did lynch me, and I flipped Town, and some Vig shot a Redneck, and they flipped with a Role PM that said "You are Scum with [redacted], [redacted] & [redacted]" or "Hello [redacted], [redacted], [redacted] & [redacted]. You are the Rednecks team.." or anything similar?

ATE. Comes from a mindset that did not at all mirror mine at this point in my readthrough. Could reflect your history with players in the game (i.e., my thought expressed before that your relationship with Pooky or Drew could be a variable I'm not accounting for -- but Pooky said no at least for his vote).

You nailed it. Some of us (myself included) would try to claim or hint a role on RVS for the lolz. It also serves to hide any potential serious crumbs made by other TPRs. (I wish I could explain more, but I can't without revealing a couple of things I don't wish to reveal at this time, so maybe sometime later)

I guess this contextualizes your behavior that bothered me above. But it is flawed in that it errs if other players are not rational actors and it is noisy.

Town/Scum/SK/Survivor/Moderator/Spectator crumb detected. Now tell me HOW am I going to be wrong this time.

Noisy. Not scumhunting.

Noisy. Not scumhunting.

How the hell did you end up receiving one to begin with? UNBELIEVABLE!

Noisy. Not scumhunting.

Man. he's not saying he can confirm "1-shots". He is saying he gains a 1-shot of whatever ability he's targeted with, so can confirm the ability exists. (Ex: A Cop is on Alch. The Cop fails to get a result, but Alch gains a 1-shot Cop ability and that proves a Cop is in the game)

Being "helpful" while avoiding the more important point, which is whether Alchemist is scum and what to do if he is 3p.

It really isn't though. For instance; Janie's not a member of NRA, yet..

Noisy, not scumhunting.

This is a new one. He fake claims backup mod. Not even EJ could've thought of that.

Noisy, not scumhunting

A50: Mine comes from post-school era
JJD: Thanks for sharing
A50: Don't mention it. I'm always glad to give back to the community

Noisy, not scumhunting. You matched EJ/my behavior, apparently inferring that it was merely playful. But, it was actually tied into what EJ had indicated was the best mechanism for reading him (i.e., to do it in a schizoid way). But you did not observe our interaction as a way to collect information about alignments, despite this, fitting the pattern of engaging with the game in superficial ways that do not indicate a desire to find scum.

So, overall, you have posts that distract from the important town tasks, which is parsimoniously explained by a scum identity. There may be a way to explain it away that I do not know (e.g., some stuff I allude to above at times, maybe other things that I will not know unless you tell me).

Mmmmm

I really like this post.

It’s great that you like it and all.
But what do you like about it?

[Logicalicaltist]

VOTE: DGB

[Logicalicaltist]

will there be a tomorrow for you?

VOTE: Pooky

This was DGB’s first post.
I feel as if he has ignored the progression on Pooky’s Slot.
Yes Pooky has been only speaking in GiF’s But the game state leans them to be more likely Town Aligned then scum Aligned.
I think DGB here disagrees with me.
I’m curious to see their readslist.

[Logicalicaltist]

But the game state leans them to be more likely Town Aligned then scum Aligned.

How can you even read an alignment from a bunch of pictures?

Wagonomics.

[Logicalicaltist]

Plus if there scum only posting GiF’s.
There would be times where it’s probably best to not respond to a certain post.
But it appears they tend to have always respond to posts direct at them or concerning them.

[Logicalicaltist]

I have a simple explanation for the unsolicited claim: he really, REALLY wants to be targeted at night because it benefits him.

At least you’re right about this.

Alch, you were scum in Big 4 mafia, right?

Yeah.

Hmm, I thought I remember you fake claiming that game. After a quick refresher, you didn't really.

Also, couldn't really discern any similarities from D1 in that game and D1 in this game from you.

So basically I just wasted my time.

Logically speaking you didn’t waste your time.
You learnt that Alchemist didn’t fake claim.
I looked over that game and pretty sure one of their scum members called them out or something.

[Logicalicaltist]

TOWNIES

DrippingGoofball
username
vecna
Elsa Jay
Doctor Drew
aLMOST50

SUBURBANITES

pisskop
Lavender
TemporalLich

FARMERS

Logicalicaltist
gobbledygook

???PASTURE???

Pooky
Pine
Alchemist21

What do you mean by “Farmers”?
And why is Pine below Gobble when both have barley posted a thing.

[Logicalicaltist]

Also, did you forget Iecerint exists?

[Logicalicaltist]

Oh yeah Votato is also not on that list.

[Logicalicaltist]

I want more content from both Pine and Gobble before I make my own readslist.

[Logicalicaltist]

TOWNIES

DrippingGoofball
username
vecna
Elsa Jay
Doctor Drew
aLMOST50

SUBURBANITES

pisskop
Lavender
TemporalLich

FARMERS

Logicalicaltist
gobbledygook

???PASTURE???

Pooky
Pine
Alchemist21

What do you mean by “Farmers”?
And why is Pine below Gobble when both have barley posted a thing.

"Farmers" is scum
"Pasture" is gifposters, massive lurkers and third party bullshitters.

So are you OMGUSing me? Or are you gonna give an actual reason towards why I’m your scum read.

[Logicalicaltist]

Also, did you forget Iecerint exists?

I have him as null, for some reason I forgot to type his name.

And what’s that reason?

Spoiler:

I assume you don’t know

But what made Iecerint and Votato not stand out to you enough to not put them in your reads?
If I’m not mistaken Vecna made a readslist and they have everyone’s name on that.
You could have used their readslist as a format to do yours so you didn’t leave out Names.
While what you did isn’t

completely

scummy it definitely has me concerned.

[Logicalicaltist]

TOWNIES

DrippingGoofball
username
vecna
Elsa Jay
Doctor Drew
aLMOST50

SUBURBANITES

pisskop
Lavender
TemporalLich

FARMERS

Logicalicaltist
gobbledygook

???PASTURE???

Pooky
Pine
Alchemist21

What do you mean by “Farmers”?
And why is Pine below Gobble when both have barley posted a thing.

"Farmers" is scum
"Pasture" is gifposters, massive lurkers and third party bullshitters.

So are you OMGUSing me? Or are you gonna give an actual reason towards why I’m your scum read.

Wanna come back to this as I noticed you made something so allow me to take a look at it.

[Logicalicaltist]

gobble can be summarized by one word. "Derp"

Logicalaltist is harder to explain. His first posts are vivid alarm at the Pooky wagon. I found that very odd.

will there be a tomorrow for you?

VOTE: Pooky

People seem to choose this vote with no remorse.
Interesting.

Also, obligatory......'Swear I am not 3p this time guys' post.

Are you 4P then??

Also

VOTE: Pooky

Because Drew told me to (in the scum PT, of course)

Fun fact: I am disappointed I didn't roll scum in this game in particular. Drew said he wanted to be scum with me in the sign-up thread and I though "I wish that happens and our third would be Jay!". Looks like I didn't cross my fingers or press my thumb hard enough (or whatever you guys do to get your wishes to come true".

With all these votes there’s bound to be a scum somewhere In here.

I'm starting to get frightened at how fast the Pooky wagon is getting in

RVS

Any reason besides Doctor Drew naked SRing Pooky... oh wait 26 is a scumclaim.

Somehow I feel this makes Pooky feel towny.

Alchemist's claim don't make no no sense.

At least your not voting like a maniac.

I TR you

I think from how fast your wagon went makes you more likely Town.

So I slightly TR you as well.

Pooky faking a post restriction; vote stays.

He said Pre-Game he was only going to post in images.

So I can form actual townreads and scumreads

DGB pings me scum a little for the insistence on staying on Pooky

acting werid

VOTE: DGB

Pedit: yeah but considering the wincon it would make him more likely to be targeted by those wanting eliminate actual scum with the lynch

So is this how we start Day 1?
Only a main wagon and a CW?
Shame.

I got a 1-shot vig, so I'll use it on you and you become a survivor with a gun. How's that sound?

Town/Scum/SK/Survivor/Moderator/Spectator crumb detected. Now tell me HOW am I going to be wrong this time.

I’ve finished catching up.

Going to place a vote down on one of the Pooky voters.

VOTE: Votato

why pooki

theyve done nothing but gif meme.

their push is reactive and NAI

ftm why tl and alch?

Well all they said they are doing this game is GIF’s.
Someone even pushed them because they thought Pooky was faking a post restriction and didn’t bother to read the Pre-Game post Pooky made.

The wagon on them was fast and desperate with little to no hesitation.
Although I think it’s most likely a Town driven wagon as I don’t believe multiple scum was on that, I still think it shows Pooky is more likely Town Aligned then scum Aligned here.

I have TL there because we shared a similar thought process which makes me more inclined to trust him.

I feel like despite Alchemist Claiming 3P, his overall attitude and tone he has given was genuine Townie.
Yes he’s trying to fulfill his wincon. But he’s not being anti-Town about it. He’s trying to solve and generating content like a Townie would. As such like TL, I also trust Alchemist here as well.

Now it’s your turn.
Why 50 and Elsa?

Then Logicalaltist goes on to very strongly defend a claimed third party player.

It could be a play style issue. I'll revise if needed.

Not sure what “vivid alarm” means but I take it as you didn’t like my posts.
Now I’m not sure if it’s that you don’t like them because you believe they feel scummy or you just disagree with them.
Yes I very strongly defend a claimed third party player because as I stated before if you are a Survivor and claim Survivor and get eliminated day 1 because you claimed it then you’d be very upset and if the Survivor isn’t being Anti-Town there is no reason to just get rid of them on the first day of the game.
We can always come back to Alchemist later.
Also, you say I have a “play style issue” can you elaborate on that?
Currently the way I see it is that you scum read me mainly because my opinion is completely different from yours which isn’t the correct way to scum read someone.
However, your did at least show some of my posts that I’m assuming you felt were “off” and your reaction to the pressure on you wasn’t horrible.
Furthermore, please just clarify some of the questions and concerns you have towards my slot and it can help each other solve our alignment.
Creating Interactions will further improve the gamestate.
I’m still waiting for Pine and Gobble to get on and maybe if they do and are on at the same time that they can interact with each other since they are both completely Null currently.

[Logicalicaltist]

This applies to everyone.
Always consult your questions and concerns even if their not that good or gut reads.
It’ll still help regardless.
Heck maybe Pooky can pull something up that can help others have a more clearer indication towards their alignment.
Try and get others to interact with each other.
If everyone interacts with each other then once a scum flips you can dive into their ISO to help get a better solve as to whom their partners are.

[Logicalicaltist]

Pooky you can't just SR someone for voting someone else... are you scum by any chance?

If so, why the blatant buddying?

Instead of asking if they are scum.
Do you read them as scum?
What’s your read on them?

[Logicalicaltist]

Instead of asking if they are scum.
Do you read them as scum?
What’s your read on them?

You.
I want to know their read on you.

[Logicalicaltist]

Part of why I’ve been avoiding this game...didn’t want to influence my read on the slot

If your avoiding the game and not contributing your just a dead slot.
That’s not helpful in the long run.
My suggestion is find something that stands out to you and share it with everyone.
Or maybe make a Big Case on someone or a Readslist.
If you continue doing what your doing you won’t be helping anyone.
Try and make some actual content please so I have something to work with regarding your slot.

[Logicalicaltist]

I’m not being harsh.
I’m just saying that he needs to contribute more.
Hopefully before day 1 ends.

[Logicalicaltist]

He's a site admin that had to handle an investigation of sexual harassment against votato

Cut my boy some slack yeesh

Ah didn’t realize Pine was staff.
My bad.

[Logicalicaltist]

Let's just do all ourselves a solid and only take what Votato said in game as his input while we wait for a replacement. Pine, think your good reading his in game content now? Or do you only wanna read the replacement?

Regardless I think Pine should just give his entire thoughts so far.

[Logicalicaltist]

Ignoring any posts that may contain bad usage.

[Logicalicaltist]

Part of why I’ve been avoiding this game...didn’t want to influence my read on the slot

If your avoiding the game and not contributing your just a dead slot.
That’s not helpful in the long run.
My suggestion is find something that stands out to you and share it with everyone.
Or maybe make a Big Case on someone or a Readslist.
If you continue doing what your doing you won’t be helping anyone.
Try and make some actual content please so I have something to work with regarding your slot.

Do you understand what has been going on?

Actually the more I look at it I’m actually quite lost.
Trying to look at the posts but can’t seem to find the incident but you all say it’s there so I just go with it and say ignore any disruptive content that won’t help solve the game.
FM is suppose to have a friendly environment with trying to figure everyone out through friendly communication and contribution.
So if I’m being dumb here and not realizing something that should be obvious, my bad.

[Logicalicaltist]

Sorta prodge post, I still want to eliminate DGB for now

Same Here.

[Logicalicaltist]

sad to see votato get banned though. No idea what transpired but I enjoyed him in my mafia games.

MS really doesn’t play around with sexual harassment after the Nobody Special incident.

I mean the only person I’d ever consider sexually harassing is myself.
I am Respectful and Generally nice to others and I don’t tolerate people who do sexual harassment towards others.

[Logicalicaltist]

man A50's iso is fluffy even by my standards


And I have a real real high tolerance for fluff

Man, I'm a MONKEY. If you wanted "feathery" you should've went for a turkey.

Nah man.
That’s a Mammal with White Fur.

[Logicalicaltist]

I already have 10 posts (11 counting this one) on his page, so only Iec & Logic can

tie me

and nobody can overtake me.

That’s what you think but when you have a replace in, anything can happen.
Let’s see what Chkflip shall do.

[Logicalicaltist]

And now I even have the simple majority of posts on this page. Done deal.

It’s hard to tell what Pooky is trying to get across with this GiF.
But one things for certain.
He wants to smack someone with a Christmas Tree.

[Logicalicaltist]

What the fuck is going on?

Pooky’s just gifposting and I’m a 3p that needs Actions used on me. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Ill target you

Thank you!

In B4 PK Claims VT.

[Logicalicaltist]

@A50
What’s your opinion regarding Rolecard Flavour?
Could it be used to solve alignment?
Should we claim it?

[Logicalicaltist]

Alright.
Sounds Good.

[Logicalicaltist]

Happy America day. Avoid Twitter like the plague to enjoy this wonderful holiday in peace.

We had Canada day last Wednesday.

[Logicalicaltist]

pooky you're sounding like you're scum now

Well how would you explain your A50 read using 1 GiF?

[Logicalicaltist]

At this point Pooky's associated with DGB so much the only thing that will get me to TR pooky is a DGB town flip.

So let's eliminate DGB

So you believe can only be T/T or they are both Wolves?
You don’t believe it can be T/S?

[Logicalicaltist]

or Pooky told DGB was town but not the other way around?

Ah so your an Informed Townie that knows DGB is Town?
You hard Claim this Correct?

[Logicalicaltist]

So you believe can only be T/T or they are both Wolves?
You don’t believe it can be T/S?

T/S would be highly unlikely and I'd honestly just shave that possibility off with Occam's Razor. Keeping that in mind, I don't think it's possible Pooky is town and DGB is scum.

So you believe W/W is likely?

[Logicalicaltist]

It's the whole "I will only TR pook if DGB flips town" bit.

Like, that's a really strange way to accumulate a town read.

I’d agree.
But I have seen this behaviour from town before.
Their thoughts might not be that great and sometimes they have a lack of information but it’s more of a Playstyle thing.
Although I do like the pressure you put on them and I’ll be looking to see how they and other people react to the pressure.
I’ll join in as well but only for applying pressure.

/Vote TL

[Logicalicaltist]

VOTE: TL

Yes I did it wrong. Don’t criticize me!

[Logicalicaltist]

Or

And I know this is a reach for you

Maybe Pook can read DGB?

I think I can read them most of the time,

but I was wrong last time so maybe I can't. Who knows.

If Pook is buddying (read: you think they're scum), how does a DGB town flip == Pook!town? You already lost me.

Dude.
They admitted they are informed of DGB.
The “Bolded” feels weird to me.
It’s like you don’t want to scum read them so you say “oh maybe they are Town I can’t read them don’t mind me”.

[Logicalicaltist]

Then why was your vote there if the only logical position is T/T?

I am the confusion.

They didn’t claim to have one at that time

I had nowhere else to place the vote

I don’t really like this response though.
This needs to be elaborated more.

[Logicalicaltist]

Dude.
They admitted they are informed of DGB.
The “Bolded” feels weird to me.
It’s like you don’t want to scum read them so you say “oh maybe they are Town I can’t read them don’t mind me”.

I'm not entirely willing to let go that it may be a town gambit. They've also "admitted" that the gif thing isn't a post restriction (though piss says this was covered so /shrug) so excuse me if I take what the slot is saying with a grain of salt. Idk what else I could say here.

They

Literally

mentioned they were only going to use GiF’s This game.
I reminded everyone of it.
You sir, clearly haven’t been reading the thread.

[Logicalicaltist]

Dude.
They admitted they are informed of DGB.
The “Bolded” feels weird to me.
It’s like you don’t want to scum read them so you say “oh maybe they are Town I can’t read them don’t mind me”.

I'm not entirely willing to let go that it may be a town gambit. They've also "admitted" that the gif thing isn't a post restriction (though piss says this was covered so /shrug) so excuse me if I take what the slot is saying with a grain of salt. Idk what else I could say here.

They didn't have to "admit" anything about the gif posting dude. They announced in the signups before role PMs that they'd be doing that.

Which I’ve stated previously before.

[Logicalicaltist]

granted, I believe Pooky/DGB to be 300% co-aligned now, and think Pooky is town based on benefit of the doubt and thus DGB is town based on induction

Why 300%?
Why not 200. There are 2 of them.

[Logicalicaltist]

I go back and forth with Drew in my head between wanting the slot dead and thinking it looks okay

I can't read Vecna for shit and I always think it looks at least a little scummy, maybe it's a playstyle clash. I think Vecna's been mostly okay tho tbh

can you elaborate why you don't like Vecna? And please don't use "abrasive" or "aggressive" as scumtells, because I'm absolutely the last person on this site that you'll ever convince of the idea that hostility or abrasion is scummy

Vecna has really weird thoughtstreams that don't seem towny. Tried declaring scum in RVS for one, somehow did a 180 on me, really doesn't want nullreads for some reason, has a weird scumread on PK, and made a annoyed/abrasive post when he didn't like the conclusions people (mostly me) were drawing from Pooky.

I don't think Vecna is town, and the mostly pure thoughtstreams show this.

And I consider abrasiveness negative charisma.

What if I said.
“Your looking for a way out and quickly resulted to make a fast

strong

scum read”.
How would you respond?

[Logicalicaltist]

You sir, clearly haven’t been reading the thread.

Like you apparently are, I am absolutely shocked that the player who said he wasn't going to read the thread didn't read the thread

I thought he might have said something like that I was just pointing out he said something that he shouldn’t have said if he hasn't read up on it yet.

[Logicalicaltist]

300% as in 3 times out of 1, Pooky and DGB share the same alignment l.

And my lead rist put Vecna at SL, which stands for scumlean. A strong scumread would have been marked in red.

Why 3 times?

[Logicalicaltist]

Have you played with Goofball before?

I have not, this is my first game with DGB and Pooky.

I missed this post somehow.

UNVOTE: TemporalLich

Guess you didn’t stay around the thread 3 minutes after posting your question then.

[Logicalicaltist]

Vecna is town.
Lich is town.
50 is town.

I'm doing p good for skipping 25 pages.

Who’s your scum Reads?

[Logicalicaltist]

If DD is scum, Iec is a buddy.

You don’t think they can be T/S?

Here we go again

[Logicalicaltist]

If they aren't, they're town.

If they are, am undecided. The smiley tell may apply here.

I take it you haven’t played with them before.
I’m pretty sure that Lavender is their main account.

[Logicalicaltist]

Vote Count 1.06

Almost50 (4): Doctor Drew, PookyTheMagicalBear, Iecerint, pisskop
Alchemist21 (2): username, DrippingGoofball
chkflip (2): Vecna, TemporalLich
DrippingGoofball (1): Alchemist21
Iecerint (1): Elsa Jay
Vecna (1): Logicalicaltist
Doctor Drew (1): chkflip

Not Voting (4): Lavender, gobbledygook, Pine, Almost50,

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to blast someone!
Day One ends on July 13th, 2020 at 8:30am EST in (expired on 2020-07-13 08:30:00)
gobble got the BIG prod.

Yeah missed my vote on TL.

[Logicalicaltist]

VOTE: chkflip
You switched your vote to a Null Poster and it was a Sheep on the Pooky.
In the same post you mentioned your “reverse engineering” regarding reads.
I assume that means Gobble is involved within this “reverse engineering”?

[Logicalicaltist]

I really hope Pine posts soon. And more then just 1 post and dipping.

[Logicalicaltist]

Does that mean Yes?

[Logicalicaltist]

like TL, why are you fine leaving your vote on me when the

entire playerlist townreads me

?

Either youre for real on your scumread and you ha e a shitton of convincing to do of people, or this is just sone weakass posturing.

Either accept youre wrong and look into proper stuff, or at least make it a non half arsed push

Woah there bud.
When did I say I Town read you?

[Logicalicaltist]

theres no scummy vibe and you should ptobably trust the general consensus of these fools that have been towntearing me correctly for years.

That's actually a good argument considering I've never played with you before. And I see townie vibes in this post specifically.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Defaulting to my lowest scumread.

I’d disagree as an excuse like “you don’t knew my meta” isn’t a good enough excuse.
Meta can easily be changed.

[Logicalicaltist]

So you have some point Modifier that makes you mark down every scum vibe post and every town vibe post to determine your reads?

[Logicalicaltist]

yeah if alchemist's claim is true I'd say that 3P is more townsiding, it could potentially absorb scum abilities and subvert them for the town's usage

Imagine a 3rd party lying about being "townsided."

Imagine.

Imagine being a survive and claiming your role just to get killed for it.

Imagine.

[Logicalicaltist]

Survive as in Survivor.
Didn’t realize I said that wrong.
My bad.

[Logicalicaltist]

Trusting a 3rd party player who hungers to be targeted at night... what could go wrong?

You know, instead of targeting scum. Let's target the 3rd party dude! Can you think of a downside? I sure can't!

Ok yeah I get your point there.
He could be some weird neutral Paranoid Gun Owner or something.
But we don’t need to target him immediately.
We can do it overtime and his role can be proven overtime.
We shouldn’t just get rid of him because he doesn’t have “Town” in his Rolecard.
He’s like a Survivor and you shouldn’t just kill them off because it’s fun and they don’t have “Town” in their role.
If that is the case then they might as well make Survivor always scum Aligned but that’s what Traitor is for.
See my point?
Your not being a nice player as your just trying to make it so an individual purposely loses.
I just don’t tolerate that.
If you want to lynch them fine. But It’ll need to be at least Day 2 and it’ll need to be some kind of evidence occurring that makes their claim invalid.

[Logicalicaltist]

Imagine being a survive and claiming your role just to get killed for it.

Right?

Because for SURE he is telling the truth about being a survivor who needs to sponge up all the town night powers! FOR SURE

If he isn’t legit, We will know over time.
Don’t just go Willy Nilly and go all Micheal Myers on him.

[Logicalicaltist]

We shouldn’t just get rid of him because he doesn’t have “Town” in his Rolecard.

Yes, we get rid of him because he doesn't have "Town" in his rolecard.

If you were Survivor should we get rid of you?

[Logicalicaltist]

I dunno if you replaced in or not but I already claimed I got a 1 shot for a vig to shoot Alch with. Not like I wanna use it for other shit, so seeing if he's legit is the best option.

And do we know for sure that happens if Alch is targeted by a vig shot?

Maybe he acquires a NK.

Maybe he has a NK alread.

Maybe he's plain scum.

Maybe he gets shot and dies
Maybe his role gets confirmed
Maybe your being a little too paranoid and not actually being logical about what a Vig Shot means.

[Logicalicaltist]

So why are you against any other style of killing him besides the hammer?

I can't believe how hard it is to eliminate an anti-town player.

Why are you avoiding the question?

Isn't it obvious?

There's a reason why he wants to be targeted.

You think he has a role that demands he be targeted, and he blows up the hammer?

Ok so let’s go on his theory that he’s a fraud.
Do you think he could ever be a Jester?

[Logicalicaltist]

Sorry on your theory.
Dammit I really need to proof read before I post my post.

[Logicalicaltist]

Ah, the old "make the Lyncher target scum so town thinks it's GOTTA be town" strat. Awesome maneuver.

It’s now called Condemner and Condemnee.
Use those words from now on please.

[Logicalicaltist]

Killing a 3p doesn't give associations at all. It just waste town's time and let's scum get away with a free day.

This is also a good point!

[Logicalicaltist]

This is also a good point!

It's a TERRIBLE point.

We are stuck with a third party that we will have to behead at some point, there will be one day without any information no matter how you slice it.

ALL THIRD PARTIES LIE THEIR PANTS OFF.

I don't want this liar around.

So let’s say you had a twin.
This twin has your exact personality.
They have your role and your Survivor.
You claim your Survivor.
They vote you because you claimed Survivor and they think your a lair.
How would you feel?

[Logicalicaltist]

Why are we wanting a 3p instead of scum wagoned?

Unless Alchemist is actually scum, please stop going for an elim that will earn us nothing but a scum NK

He could totally be scum!!!!

In fact, there is so much resistance to his wagon that this is becoming increasingly likely.

Lol.
There’s resistance because he claims 3P not because he’s scum.

[Logicalicaltist]

Why do you assume he's a liar as a 3p? I lie more as a townie then I ever did as a 3p.

Maybe you.

I've always assumed 3p to be lying and I've never been wrong.

So you must lie as a Survivor no?

[Logicalicaltist]

So many people preferring to take a chance to mislynch a townie than getting rid of a surefire anti-town player.

I mean

I'm 90% sure he's lying scum at this point, there's no way so many actual townies want him around.

So if you were a Survivor Town wouldn’t want you around and you should be lynched?
Like if you weren’t Green Checked by Pooky I’d be voting you based on your overall thought process as it’s really hard for me to work with someone like you. Maybe try being more logical.
As I stated before, If he’s lying we can figure it out Day 2+.

[Logicalicaltist]

Oh no Oops. I didn’t mean to say that L word.
My bad.

[Logicalicaltist]

lool


so im sring chkflip and kinda still 50.

So what made you change your read on 50?

[Logicalicaltist]

Now, with Alch's claimed win-con (assuming it is true).

Did he actually claim a win-con? I only remember him saying he gets *goodness* by being targeted at night.

I get a 1-shot copy of any non-factional abilities that target me and my wincon is to use 2 of those 1-shot copies.

^
Let the 3P prove themselves please, instead of getting rid of them without giving them a chance first.

[Logicalicaltist]

Pine is a lurksack. gook isn't.

Gook is close to it.

[Logicalicaltist]

Almost50 is scum.

Then vote them.
Instead of a 3P.
Why are you so worry about a 3P over like, the actual mafia.

[Logicalicaltist]

If you believe him he can't be nightkilled.

He can also prove himself using a 1-shot.
(Assuming someone visits him.)

[Logicalicaltist]

site-wide turkey has been an infrequent poster.

there. its not just here.

Are you saying he has not been posting in all the games he's not part of?? Now THAT is really awkward!

Pretty sure they mean in general.

[Logicalicaltist]

Oh, CONTENT. You want content out of me? Is that it? WHY didn't you say so from the beginning? I'll tell you what: You do a quick reread of the thread (pretend to be catching up as a new replacement) and you point out what it is I'm supposed to extract content from (provided it's not "do we eliminate the 3P now or more towards the end of the day?" and I'll have you showered with all the content your heart so desperately desires.

But for now, GO BUG SOMEONE WHO IS NOT POSTING AT ALL, cuz I'm starting to think you are linked to the Turkey who you are shielding.

Wouldn’t it be a waste of time since both Gobble and Pine don’t seem to care enough to provide content anyways?
But Yes I agree there is more people to interact with then you.

Also, @PK
Did you answer my question about your 180 on Almost50? I must have missed it or something if you did explain it.

[Logicalicaltist]

VOTE: a50

thats a better wagon than goofball

I feel like youre trying to hardline this too much

VOTE: username

Why not username again? Why a50?
Because username claimed VT?

Claiming VT isn’t alignment indicative.
Drew also claimed VT and he isn’t confirmed town either.

VOTE: PissKop
Explain your 180.

[Logicalicaltist]

@a50
If PK is scum, then I think Username or Gobble is their partner.
Now let’s wait and see how they respond to my concern.

[Logicalicaltist]

Also, @PK
Did you answer my question about your 180 on Almost50

Its honeslty a tipping point.
before i aws willing to null-read it, and collaborate if the flipps lined up.

after i think the flips fuel the game.

50 isnt playing mafia, but the playerlist.......

"180"

okay.

i went from null and giving a benefit of a doubt to nullsscum. let not make a tsunami out of a benign current....

Then why say 50 was a Town Read?

[Logicalicaltist]

hmmmmm

50 makes a terrible joke and elsa is an asshole in return . . .

towntells

*Ahem*.

[Logicalicaltist]

Shouldn’t Pine be prodded right about now?
They haven’t posted in forever.

[Logicalicaltist]

The Gobble wagon isn’t really showing much resistance.
I honestly don’t like either of those 2 wagons.

[Logicalicaltist]

VOTE: Lavender

I wouldn’t mind this getting more attention.

[Logicalicaltist]

I want to see more content from the Turkey before I consider voting them.
If it ends up being between Alchemist/Gobble I’d have to chose to get rid of Gobble on that one.
But there isn’t a limit as to whom we can vote, except for DGB.
Everyone else ain’t even close to Confirmed Town. Not even myself.

[Logicalicaltist]

Drew you say you can't argue with that about turkey


But you have literally argued with that about turkey in the last five pages

Similar to what PK did.
They called A50 a Town read and is now saying they viewed them as a Null Poster or something like that before and now their a scum read.
Me and PK gave our town reads, I’m the only one that stuck to them.

[Logicalicaltist]

@Alchemist

Do you believe my defence towards your slot is forced?
Is there specifically something I said that you feel I normally wouldn’t have said?

[Logicalicaltist]

@Alchemist

Do you believe my defence towards your slot is forced?
Is there specifically something I said that you feel I normally wouldn’t have said?

It does seem a bit forced because you were one of the most enthusiastic defenders of my slot. There’s no specific wording in your posts that make me scumread you, but again there was a trend of people who’ve seen my scumgame defending me and those who haven’t weren’t. You were the only one who didn’t fit, unless you’re on an alt and actually have played with me.

Well I may or may not be an alt that may or may not have played with you before.
But that isn’t the reason I defended you.
I defended you based upon your a “3P”.
It has nothing to do with your Playstyle at all.
It’s entirely based on the fact that your role can confirm itself due time and it’s a waste of an execution to get rid of it.

[Logicalicaltist]

The Gobble wagon isn’t really showing much resistance.

I'll ask you this: If you -hypothetically- were scum with gobble, and he played the way he is playing here, would you or wouldn't you bus the shit out of him?

On another note, I -once again- can't help my mind going places. I've got a sinking feeling gobble wants to be hammered today, and I can't help but think of the very distinct possibility he might be a Prince.

Hypothetically, I probably would have been voting him as a “Pressure” vote to get him to post more content.
So if he doesn’t and he gets lynched I don’t look so bad since I was the first on his wagon.

[Logicalicaltist]

Crap I used the word “Lynch again”
My bad.

[Logicalicaltist]

So used to that word lol.

[Logicalicaltist]

Crap I used the word “Lynch again”
My bad.

So used to that word lol.

We all are. It’s going to take time for people to completely adjust.

Honestly I like the word “extinguish” but that’s a difficult word to say.
Tbh I don’t feel like we should be set to a specific saying after this as I think it’s better if from now on the host choosing their own replacement of the “L” word.
Rather then there be some new one we are forced to follow.

[Logicalicaltist]

Just re-read that and I definitely didn’t say that Post properly.

[Logicalicaltist]

Look, I think A50 may be scum, but most of what I have seen from him is part for the course A50.

Many people need to learn a player's 'vibe' before they scum read things about that player that are solidly NAI.

I agree with this post.
Some Playstyle’s are scummy but it doesn’t mean they are scum.
Some Playstyle’s are towny but it doesn’t mean they are Town.
It’s all non alignment indicative.

[Logicalicaltist]

Pooky what even is that vote

There's no better scumreads and we need to elim someone other than Alch D1 or we lose info

They scum read you from the post you made.
Or else they wouldn’t have quoted your post and voted you.

[Logicalicaltist]

I don't know whether Alchemist's claim is true, but the only vote there I understand is DGB's after looking at some context. I don't see that with Icerint. I don't see a need to lynch Alch today anyway. There aren't enough votes, there isn't enough information and there isn't enough time. Alch claiming off the bat is weird, but whatever. That can be sorted.

^
This.

Not to mention their role that they are claiming is confirmable.

[Logicalicaltist]

By using the power of GIF’s rank each person in order from Most Town to Most Scum.

[Logicalicaltist]

There's no point in voting an empty slot so...

VOTE: Lavender

E-4, idk how I feel about Iecerint, still looking decent to an ISO skim

unvote

vote Iecerint

I’ll Sheep this.

vote Iecerint

[Logicalicaltist]

yeah I still don't get Iecerint's later posts, especially the lead rist

But your voting Lavender.

[Logicalicaltist]

Talk about them instead.

[Logicalicaltist]

Lavender is probably the best bet for a viable wagon that has a good chance to hit scum.


Lavender is probably the best bet for a viable wagon that has a good chance to hit scum.

i think lav isnt being lynchbait; he's just being lurkerscum.

Do you believe that it could be lurkertown at all?

[Logicalicaltist]

I'm interested in A50's and EJ's cases on my slot, why DGB is voting Alch, why ONLY DGB is voting Alch, and consensus reads.

I'd also like predictions from EJ, Vecna, and A50 on what my read on them will be once I've caught up. I will probably not be fully caught up until after the night phase.

That’s fine.
I don’t think you should be the lynch today anyways.
But I can’t speak for everyone else.

[Logicalicaltist]

Lavender and Iec seem to be tied at 4, although I might endorse a TL flashwagon.

VOTE: Iec

Puts Iec in the lead at 5.

My read on TL is conflicting.
Like they are villagery at parts and scummy at other parts.

[Logicalicaltist]

Lavender and Iec seem to be tied at 4, although I might endorse a TL flashwagon.

VOTE: Iec

Puts Iec in the lead at 5.

VOTE: Lavender

I don't like either of these.

What about TL flash?

[Logicalicaltist]

I demand that NO ONE target the 3p garbage role tonight.

Even the vig.

We're going to have to day-eliminate this deadweight.

That’s anti Town and I refuse to let that be the case.
I believe if 2 people target them and they confirm that they have the 1-shots from them then they become confirmed 3P.
Plus they leave the game I believe so we would honestly just be wasting an elimination.

[Logicalicaltist]

Vecna A50 and chk fairly solid town, btw.

UN needs pressure.

TL probscum.

EJ might be town based on the first few pages.

I’m the Wild Card!

[Logicalicaltist]

V

——————-
Logicalicaltist
PookyTheMagicalBear
DrippingGoofball
Elsa Jay
Lavender
Bingle
Doctor Drew
Galron
username
TemporalLich
Almost50
Vecna
pisskop
chkflip
Iecerint

———-

W

Alchemist21 - 3P

[Logicalicaltist]

Ah yeah just noticed I have some placed incorrectly such as PK (-) Chkflip and DD (-) Galron

But that’s pretty much the sum of where I’m at RN.

[Logicalicaltist]

To make it clear I SR PK And Chkflip along with this Ninja Cop that has that Anti Tracker thing.
I just don’t buy that claim.

[Logicalicaltist]

Well more like I don’t by that claim being Town Aligned.
I believe he could be scum Ninja Rolecop

[Logicalicaltist]

After Lavender’s reaction to believing they would be eliminated.
It felt more like Town that thought they were actually lynched then scum faking Town AtE.

[Logicalicaltist]

Vote Count 1.13

[L-1!] Lavender (8): Alchemist21, pisskop, Iecerint, Galron, Elsa Jay, Doctor Drew, DrippingGoofball, TemporalLich
Iecerint (6): Vecna, PookyTheMagicalBear, Logicalicaltist, Almost50, chkflip, username

Not Voting (2): Lavender, Bingle

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to blast someone!
Day One ends on July 14th, 2020 at 9:00pm EST in (expired on 2020-07-14 21:00:00)
I'm around, so at deadline if no blast has been reached, the day will end without one!

Hopefully we can grab 2 voters from Lavender and put them on Iec.
Or Lavender can vote them and we only need to grab 1 Voter.

[Logicalicaltist]

I’m honestly surprised Iecerint was Town.
My suggestion is we do a re-evaluation.
I’m thinking that we should be looking into those who haven’t received enough attention.
Like Chkflip, PK, TL, Vecna and Galron.

[Logicalicaltist]

Heck if you want you can give me some attention since there wasn’t much pressure on me Day 1.

[Logicalicaltist]

Other then the people who died there was pressure/open claimed on:
Doctor Drew
Elsa Jay
Pooky
Username
Almost50
Alchemist21

[Logicalicaltist]

I believe that at least 1 scum is outside of that pool.

[Logicalicaltist]

well no


alch promised us cookies if we visited him.

lets hear what he has to say.

I’m waiting for my Cookie.

[Logicalicaltist]

I kinda think they're both town, tbh.

I also think you're being exceptionally useless with your 3p tunnel.

Yeah, I'm pretty okay with day ending without a death right here.

Bingle's probably town although I don't like that wagon breaking down in favor of two town wagons.

I mean yes we lost some powerful town.
But yeah that doesn’t necessarily mean the other wagons were on scum.
Bingle and Almost50 could easily both be town as well.
I think the scum are the ones not receiving that much attention

[Logicalicaltist]

I want to also check to see who led all 4 wagons.

[Logicalicaltist]

Hold up it’s 5.
Pooky was also a big wagon.
It was a beginning of day wagon but still a wagon regardless.
So I’ll also take whoever pushed them as a motivated pusher of a wagonZ

[Logicalicaltist]

will there be a tomorrow for you?

VOTE: Pooky

This isn’t a Mason.
So Pooky must Individually know DGB is Town.

[Logicalicaltist]

Pooky’s main pusher was: Votato (Chkflip)
Almost50’s main pusher was: DoctorDrew (Iecerint too but he flipped Town)
Gobble/Bingle’s main pusher was: Chkflip
Lavender’s main pusher was: username
Iecerint’s main pusher was: Vecna and Chkflip


If we count DGB’s wagon I take full responsibility on being the main pusher on that one.

[Logicalicaltist]

I kinda think they're both town, tbh.

I also think you're being exceptionally useless with your 3p tunnel.

Yeah, I'm pretty okay with day ending without a death right here.

Bingle's probably town although I don't like that wagon breaking down in favor of two town wagons.

Actually two town TPRs.

Hence why I said “powerful Town”

[Logicalicaltist]

Looking at all of it though.
Chkflip seems to be the occurring main pusher on a wagon.
He is also my top scum read, PK nearing them in second place.
VOTE: Chkflip

[Logicalicaltist]

A big problem with the town slip was that it was unbelievable until the role card was exposed.

I literally fucking called out the town slip.

The entire back

end of that wagon

is dog shit.

I'm gonna be v/la until Thursday, I get to go visit my kids in Vegas, but hey Logic lmk what the net negative is of being vocal and moving the day along with wagons.

Like

That's a joke vote, right?

You'd better pick your britches up and find actual scum tells before you push the guy who CALLED OUT THE TOWN SLIP before the fucking flip.

K thanks.

So you believe the first few people to vote on the wagon were Town and the last people are most likely scum?
It’s not hard to call out a town slip and the slip happened to late so it isn’t hard to be like “oh look they are actually Town”
Not to mention you weren’t even pushing them.
Your main focus was on Iece anyway and he died last night.
You also got a wagon going on Bingles Slot.
Your Previous slot holder started pushing the first wagon in this game (Pooky)
I really think your just scum here based upon all this Logic.

[Logicalicaltist]

Scum chk doesn't need to keep pushing Iec after Lavender town slipped though

Neither does Town chk.

[Logicalicaltist]

Why wouldn’t you push someone that your are pushing? Lol.

[Logicalicaltist]

Oh I thought Chkflip wrote that lol.
Regardless my point still stands.

[Logicalicaltist]

I’m asking the mod to be sure there’s no mod error but it looks like I didn’t get anything last Night.

Your either lying or I was roleblocked.

[Logicalicaltist]

V
——————
Logicalicaltist
PookyTheMagicalBear
DrippingGoofball
Elsa Jay
Bingle
Doctor Drew
Galron
TemporalLich
Almost50
Vecna
username
pisskop
chkflip
————-
W

Alchemist21 - 3P

[Logicalicaltist]

I don’t think Town would Roleblock me. Scum probably did.
Either that or your lying about your role.

[Logicalicaltist]

will there be a tomorrow for you?

VOTE: Pooky

I just noticed this and I think this might have something to do with flavour.

[Logicalicaltist]

Oh man, if you have a post restriction Pooky........this will be my most favorite game ever.

But seriously, votes on Pooky please.

Refusal to do is a scum claim.

Pre Edit: I should have bribed Baker a bit more, I just assumed he would make me 3p again......at this point is is basically a meme.

Also looking back I don’t really like

Bolded

as a fast day 1 elimination is one of the worst things to do.
You receive barley if not no information.
(I also stated what the deal is with Pooky before)
However you have claimed VT and your claim looked better then username’s VT claim IMO so I’m not wanting to eliminate you today.
However I still don’t like this post.

[Logicalicaltist]

I’m asking the mod to be sure there’s no mod error but it looks like I didn’t get anything last Night.

Your either lying or I was roleblocked.

Maybe y'all shoulda listened to me and DGB yesterday instead of whining about how the slot was self resolving


SURE AS SHIT LOOKS RESOLVED NOW HUH

This doesn’t mean anything.
For all I know the Mafia Rolestopper decided to go onto Alchemist.
And if that is the case I’m more inclined to believe it’s someone who wants the 3P dead leading to you.
Just because he didn’t receive a 1-Shot of my ability when I visited him doesn’t make him a lair about his role.
I could have been roleblocked. He could have been Rolestopped. I’m sure there are other options.
But yes, I don’t trust Alchemist as much as I did before but I still believe that it is more likely that mechanics were involved between me and Alchemist last night that made me unable to visit him.

[Logicalicaltist]

Oh man, if you have a post restriction Pooky........this will be my most favorite game ever.

But seriously, votes on Pooky please.

Refusal to do is a scum claim.

Pre Edit: I should have bribed Baker a bit more, I just assumed he would make me 3p again......at this point is is basically a meme.

Also looking back I don’t really like

Bolded

as a fast day 1 elimination is one of the worst things to do.
You receive barley if not no information.
(I also stated what the deal is with Pooky before)
However you have claimed VT and your claim looked better then username’s VT claim IMO so I’m not wanting to eliminate you today.
However I still don’t like this post.

His claim doesn't look better than mine as VT


For example, I'm a Vanilly Hillbilly and you'll note that there's no sample VT role PM in the OP

Yeah but look at how and when he claimed it.

[Logicalicaltist]

It doesn't make him a liar about his role absorbing other roles but it does throw suspicion into his claimed wincon, and yes even about his alignment

I don’t think scum openly claims 3P without any pressure towards their slot.
Especially when there is a risk the real 3P could CC them.

[Logicalicaltist]

One would think a reflexive role wouldn't be able to be rolestopped


One would think a reflexive role absorber would absorb the role stop.

One would think a person with that reflexive role would think to ask the mod what happens if a role stopper targets them

Did I miss something?
Does he also have the Reflexive Modifier?

[Logicalicaltist]

Oh man, if you have a post restriction Pooky........this will be my most favorite game ever.

But seriously, votes on Pooky please.

Refusal to do is a scum claim.

Pre Edit: I should have bribed Baker a bit more, I just assumed he would make me 3p again......at this point is is basically a meme.

Also looking back I don’t really like

Bolded

as a fast day 1 elimination is one of the worst things to do.
You receive barley if not no information.
(I also stated what the deal is with Pooky before)
However you have claimed VT and your claim looked better then username’s VT claim IMO so I’m not wanting to eliminate you today.
However I still don’t like this post.

His claim doesn't look better than mine as VT


For example, I'm a Vanilly Hillbilly and you'll note that there's no sample VT role PM in the OP

Yeah but look at how and when he claimed it.

I mean I could cite you a dozen town games where I claimed VT on day one as VT

Yes but your claim was more random where his was more genuine.

[Logicalicaltist]

Lol, I think Chk's default setting is to vote me until he actually figures the game out.

I am fine being wagoned, I would rather suck the mishammer(is the best way to say it now?) than have a much more important town role get mishammer. Just keep the day going as long as possible, this will motivate me to interact a bit more with some people I haven't had the pleasure with interacting.

At work currently though, be back later.

I get mishammered alot on D1, instead of bitching and moaning about it I am going to try turn into a way to ultimately help town. This is not an AtE or attempt by me to create wifom. Townies are gonna die at some point, I would rather boring ol me go instead of a useful role today. Then town hopefully has alot of info from my mishammer and there disposal with all useful roles(well depending on NK's obviously) still in tact.

Though objectively speaking, I am not even what I have done has been scummy. Is there a case made in me that I missed?

More Genuine.

[Logicalicaltist]

One would think a reflexive role wouldn't be able to be rolestopped


One would think a reflexive role absorber would absorb the role stop.

One would think a person with that reflexive role would think to ask the mod what happens if a role stopper targets them

Did I miss something?
Does he also have the Reflexive Modifier?

Is reflexive not a modifier that activates based on people targeting you or do I have that mixed up

From What I remember he just said if anyone targets him he gets a 1-Shot of their ability.

[Logicalicaltist]

.....


That's not even a VT claim

”useful role”

Read his entire post carefully.
Unlike you he Soft Claimed it, he didn’t hard Claim it.

[Logicalicaltist]

Least not at that time.

[Logicalicaltist]

If you aren’t voting someone and you call them Town/Town Slipped it’s NAI.
You can do that as either alignment. It’s honestly not hard.
At a normal occasion no. Pushing Wagon’s aren’t anti Town.
But due to the fact the top 2 wagons were both Town.
It has me thinking that there might be Scum motivation in them.
You pushed for Multiple Wagons and your previous took part in this as well.
Like both of you were quite motivated to push for wagons.
As we seen 1 of them was the Cop.
If Bingle and Pooky are also Town, that’s even more evidence as to why you are probably scum.
Like do you think that none of the 5 wagons were Scum Motivated?

[Logicalicaltist]

I’m annoyed that 2 people who promised to target me D1 didn’t, and now a 3rd is saying he actually did but for whatever reason I don’t have a copy of his ability. Something’s better than nothing though.

TBF I’m pretty sure I was Roleblocked.

[Logicalicaltist]

Let me Target Alchemist again tonight.
If your a Town Roleblocker don’t Roleblock me.
If your a Scum Roleblocker, go find someone else to touch!

[Logicalicaltist]

If you aren’t voting someone and you call them Town/Town Slipped it’s NAI.
You can do that as either alignment. It’s honestly not hard.
At a normal occasion no. Pushing Wagon’s aren’t anti Town.
But due to the fact the top 2 wagons were both Town.
It has me thinking that there might be Scum motivation in them.
You pushed for Multiple Wagons and your previous took part in this as well.
Like both of you were quite motivated to push for wagons.
As we seen 1 of them was the Cop.
If Bingle and Pooky are also Town, that’s even more evidence as to why you are probably scum.
Like do you think that none of the 5 wagons were Scum Motivated?

VOTE: Logicalicaltist

I was voting for her. I switched to Iec when she town-slipped. Your attempts at painting this narrative lacks any sort of town motivation and your use of wagons that haven't flipped is something I've literally never seen town do in the ten years I've played this game.

You completely ignored my question re: the town slip because you don't have an answer.

We'd gotten Iec to e-2 iirc and I don't see you even remotely interested in any of the other voters.

--

Fuckin tight that Iec had the wherewithal to give Alch a cop shot and it's hilarious to me that Galron doesn't want to give him the opportunity to use it.

I'd eliminate either of them but Log is really pushing the strangest mindset I've ever seen.

Vote Count 1.10

(gobbledygook slot) (4): Almost50, Doctor Drew, TemporalLich, Elsa Jay
Lavender (4): username, Logicalicaltist, Alchemist21, PookyTheMagicalBear
Iecerint (2): Vecna, chkflip
Alchemist21 (1): DrippingGoofball
Almost50 (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (4): Lavender, (gobbledygook slot), Galron, pisskop

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to blast someone!
Day One is paused with 1 day left while I find a replacement for gobbledygook...

Final Vote Count 1.14

BLASTED! Lavender (9): Alchemist21, pisskop, Iecerint, Galron, Elsa Jay, Doctor Drew, DrippingGoofball, TemporalLich,

username

Iecerint (5): Vecna, PookyTheMagicalBear, Logicalicaltist, Almost50, chkflip

Not Voting (2): Lavender, Bingle

With 16 alive, it took 9 to blast someone!

Funny. The Vote Count says differently.
I think your scum that’s failing here.
Your reaction to my pressure on you is OMGUS.

[Logicalicaltist]

Flailing*

[Logicalicaltist]

bold of you to assume you're the town leader chkflip

VOTE: chkflip

Your LAMISTness has been noted and has resulted in a SR

Ah LAMIST might be a better word.
Gotta get more knowledge of those terms.

[Logicalicaltist]

Chkflip looks a little scummy, a speed-skim shows his votes feel opportunistic

A50 also doesn't look too good VCA-wise, but I still townread A50

It just seemed like you were in the mood to repeat yourself, and I was the one out of the two of us that actually formed and pushed wagons D1, but go on.

You realize pushing/forming a wagon is NAI right?
Anyone can do it. It’s like your trying so hard to receive town credit, why?

[Logicalicaltist]

I’m asking the mod to be sure there’s no mod error but it looks like I didn’t get anything last Night.

Turns out the mod did forget to tell me. Iecerint used his ability on me so I do have that.

OMG YOU ARE SUCH A LIAR

Of course

the

dead

player targeted you. How scumvenient.

Why would Iecerint target a third party? He already knows you're not town and should die of a painful elimination.

Probably for confirmability due to his claim and people’s reads on him.
Heck if he was still alive today I’d be voting him strictly due to his claim.

[Logicalicaltist]

Like I’m not going to deny it.
Even though they are Town, at the time I really believed them to be scum.

[Logicalicaltist]

Yeah I’m 100% certain Roleblocker is scum.
If Anyone claims Roleblocker, get rid of them!

I think they had a day plan in mind doing so.

[Logicalicaltist]

He has a cop shot, supposedly.

I see zero town motivation in not letting him use it.

So you believe that Iecerint who is dead and cannot confirm, wasted his investigation on a third party?

If Alch isn't your scumpal... think... think...

Iecerint, who as town cop knew he was dead unless there's a protect (like the one you lynched), used his ability on someone who could reciprocate it.

Yes.

I firmly believe that.

So they would automatically go to kill him despite him being a strong SR?
I think scum probably wanted to set something in motion upon his death or something.
While him dying makes sense due to his PR claim. He was also an easy mis-Execution target.
Heck, Roleblocker could have Roleblocked him instead of me but didn’t.