Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

[Micc]

So best I can tell we're wagoning a claimed Watcher. If the players on that wagon could give or quote a previous case for why that's a good idea, that's a good place to start.

ill start reading up in the meantime

[Micc]

"Confirmed PR" in this case is Agar being a roleblocker?

if so, can you fill me in on how Agar was confirmed? I'm reading from prana's intimal L-1 claim onward but haven't even reached end of day 1 yet

[Micc]

Agar confirmed Klick scum.

by blocking the N1 kill which caused Klick's scum flip D2 I assume?

Watcher was not on confirmed PR. Confirmed PR is dead. Watcher claims that he thought confirmed PR was being protected but also that he did not believe that. Either way, still not on PR.

This is still utter bollocks.

At this point I am going to call it for what it is, a very blatant lie.

I haven't found where you claimed your N2 action and why you targeted there. can you fill me in?

I'm cop confirmed town

someone fill me in on this too please.

all the claims really. helps me determine what parts of the thread are important to catching up and which can be mostly ignored.

[Micc]

ok I found floppy's claim. but it says one-shot and you're giving two innocents?

im a bit confused about what the gamestate is tbh

[Micc]

the case against prana seems pretty compelling.

so why Hoopla?

[Micc]

Watcher was not on confirmed PR. Confirmed PR is dead. Watcher claims that he thought confirmed PR was being protected but also that he did not believe that. Either way, still not on PR.

This is still utter bollocks.

At this point I am going to call it for what it is, a very blatant lie.

I haven't found where you claimed your N2 action and why you targeted there. can you fill me in?

I know I can go find this, and I will at some point, but I kinda want to hear your answer to this

[Micc]

Feels pretty unlikely that town has [roleblocker/gunsmith/watcher/bulletproof] and the scum team wouldn't be able to prevent a result from either the gunsmith or the watcher while killing the roleblocker. prana's claimed result is dubious and his reaction to being pushed doesn't look that great so lynching there makes sense. The flipside to that is Flippy being scum who has fake claimed gunsmith on top of being a fruit vendor. Considering he was also run up day 1, it seems possible, but I'm not sure how I feel about scum fruit vendor. I guess it would have utility in messing with a watcher?

My initial take aligns with the voting block on prana, I get where that case comes from. If there's a case behind the Hoopla counterwagon I haven't found it yet. I also don't get the impression that notscience is on the table at all so I'm not sure I understand where his "prana or me" statement comes from.

[Micc]

yeah I get the impression that is a counterwagon for the sake of a counterwagon.

can you give your thoughts on Flippy? as much as my initial take aligns with where you guys going, I'm looking at Flippy and seeing a lot of similarities to prana, just with a slightly more believable claim. Run up and claimed power D1, still getting results despite being claimed, not pushing a strong wagon today. am I wrong to be a little suspicious there?

[Micc]

couldn't have been too much of a panic. he thought about it enough to lie about a number of shots.

ftr I haven't actually read that part of day 1 yet but will get to it soon.

[Micc]

theres also an argument for giving them both another night to see what happens. its not like tomorrow is lylo if we mislynch.

on the other hand the more prana I read the more I want to lynch him. In addition to the mechanical stuff, the way he found his away onto both lynch wagons despite actively campaigning elsewhere is super scummy.

[Micc]

ok so mass claim probably wins this then?

[Micc]

VT
popcorn to NS

[Micc]

Traitors get endgamed if all the group scum die in normals so you can stop discussing that.

Don’t we have a POE solve tho? It feels like we should but I haven’t ran numbers

[Micc]

Micc - VT
notscience - unclaimed
Dunnstral - VT
Battle Mage -

Confirmed Town via Flippy

, bulletproof
Emperor flippyNips - Three-Shot Combined Gunsmith Fruit Vendor (Una N1, Battle Mage N2, N3 Hoopla)
Hoopla -

Confirmed Town via Flippy

, unclaimed
UnaBombaH -

Confirmed Town via Flippy

, unclaimed
Hiraki - VT
bob3141 - unclaimed

6 people not cleared with 4 lynches available. if someone outside [BM, hoopla, una] confirmed themselves via stopped nightkill it means we poe all the way down to needing to pick one person to be town. and this is treating flippy to be non-confirmed

[Micc]

wait its 9 alive not 10. one less lynch available

[Micc]

i dont believe you

[Micc]

Gambit to see if I’ll claim scum? Idk

We’re getting into the territory where if notscience claims power then it becomes clear one of the PR claims is lying.

So bob to verify if he’s gambitting or not. Then notscience claims and we go from there.

[Micc]

ok but how can I look at cute pets if im dead?

[Micc]

I don’t think there was any way to stop this from being a steamroll once it got started. Town played too well. I’ll give the setup the benefit of the doubt and just say there was too much positive feedback to overcome.

Thanks for the game. I appreciate you all lynching me quickly as fighting this one out would have been a real drag.

[Micc]

Schadd_ and RadiantCowbells get all credit for the setup, by the way. I don't know if I put that in the first post. (I didn't and I should have)

Can you post the setup?

Surely Battle Mage was BS’ing about being bulletproof?

[Micc]

The wiki page for Alien is really really bad. The role PM used for this game didn't explain it well either. But my understanding of Alien is Roleblock + Rolestop.

So yeah it could have been used to block AGar Night 2 (assuming simultaneous roleblocks work in scum's favor?) but then the nightkill would have had to go elsewhere. There's also this problem where two scum can't use all of Alien, Watcher, and nightkill actions in the same night.

Scumteam didn't have the tools to fight against the town power without the town mismanaging their power. And this town didn't mismanage it's power at all.

[Micc]

I've asked implosion who to petition for a proper wiki page for alien, role pm included.

role pm's should have been part of review right? The wording of "that player will be roleblock and protected from all night actions." is explicitly what a jailkeeper does. I kinda think it's on the reviewers to catch that.

[Micc]

Actually “protected from all night actions” is fairly accurate. Jailkeep would be closer to “protected from all night kills’”.
Pre-designed should give role PMs too. I’m sorry they shorted you.

I’m going to stop now. Sorry if any of this has come off as complaining instead of being constructive.