Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

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I don’t think the question is if they know better

I think the question is if they believe pranas lies

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We can wagon someone else if you guys want but I think it’s a bad idea

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I was talking about gyp with bob. Why are you deliberately being obtuse?

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VOTE: bm

Rabble rabble rabble

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Klick games over

What the fuck you literally just saw a watcher claim derail a game why are you so fast to believe this

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Who had no incentive to fake claim whereas this one has plenty

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Oh and my weirdness re hoopla earlier is i thought she was dolly and buddying me again early bc I never gave her the chance in that game but I couldn’t say anything about it

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I have setup thoughts about it all too but I’m not sure it’s time for that.

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VOTE: gobble

Sorry. Deadline. Best wagon is on you and we need to consolidate.

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We aren’t going to convince them hoops.

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do whatever you want, I’ll save my I told you sos for later

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Hoopla, I've always considered Watcher a rather strong role, but I can sort of see the idea behind it not being a slam dunk winner role. I consider it far more useful than a Doc for example - I think it has the same functionality, except instead of blocking a kill it trades 1-for-1 with scum.

If true its likely to be a significant portion of our available night power.

Yeah but you don’t replace protective with watcher it’s invest

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Hoops he’s Espeonage slot that’s been scum all day but we ignored it for these lovely wagons just like we ignore other scum

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Yeah it’s fairly obvious that’s the correct play for scum but it’s fine because he claimed watcher hoopla scum would never fakeclaim a pr in a day 1 wagon

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Sure as fuck beats these wagons

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Hoopla you can’t die tonight you’re my dose of sanity in this thread

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I’m on the damn turkey but bm and prana are both scum

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If you read the dead pt if I was scum that game you died before dgb

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Because I’m purely compromising because the una wagon is trash and noones going to Lynch prana

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The only people who were on him were me and turkey who consolidated hoopla there’s no point in trying a last minute wagon this town will just get itself in a tizzy about how it’s not proper play and you must suck if you want to Lynch them and it’s honestly a huge drag

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You know as well as I do we’re going to do that stupid shit where we keep jumping around until someone claims vt might as well not prolong the inevitable

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I’m not engaging anymore on it right now klick scumread me for it if you want

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Yeah, but it doesn’t really matter because we won’t get a majority.

Whatever.

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lol

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Why are you so angry with everyone all the time? Shits not healthy my dude

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Even with your vote it won’t happen. Consolidate on one that will

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I dont get the self vote.

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I’m ready to go for d2 we need some more information at this point.

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Hoopla what do you think is more important, brain or gut?

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Town
Hoops
Agar
Cooldog
Gyp
Nippyflips
Klick
Bob

I don’t wanna Lynch any of these people

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I’d rather not Lynch una or gobbles either.

I don’t think a hiraki prana bm team makes sense does it?

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Agar who else is scum I know we have to be focused on turkey and righteous fist shaking but I’m trying to figure out what team makes the most sense in this game

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Thank you I will use your guidance moving forward

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You’re a towel

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Towns way more likely to self vote than scum barring investigative wsults

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Klick I’m going to say something that’s going to make you want to Lynch me more but I just had a shower thought and I don’t think my condition for townreading una is valid anymore and I feel really dumb and ofc this is going to be scumread bc lol flip flopping in lylo but I have been drastically overthinking him I think

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By shower thought I literally mean thought of while in the shower

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I also think I’m being way more stubborn because I have this really tinfoil view of the game when I need to apply more Occam’s razor

Una read could be wrong

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I have literally zero reason to read flip before a flip as scum genius

But feel free to diagnose me with town

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I used the wrong term is all

Oh fuck they found out about my 6p scumteam

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Gobbles I literally said I wanted no part of either and got roped in and now I think I picked wrong

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I helped start a counter wagon that got to l-1 and the only reason it didn’t go through was everyone’s too chickenshit to Lynch a pr claim. And I had been actively pushing to Lynch him until the last 12 hours what are you even on

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I mean he scumslipped klick, what do you think

I promise to explain my thought process more at the right time.

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Nani???????

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vla until Sunday proxy vote to hoopla

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I’d give it to klick but she’d vote me with it and I have scum to Lynch today sorry

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VOTE: prana

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unproxy

Sorry hoops I have fish to fry

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how would he have seen someone try to off flippy and flippy be alive lol

Welcome aboard klick

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It means he’s pr fishing so his death gives his team value

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You aren’t lunching ne today and I’m not letting you near gyp.

Prana or bust we clearly have something out there that inhibited scum and he’s trying to draw them out.

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Wait reading might be tech

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UNVOTE:

Unsure atm.

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So flippy does that mean unas clean?

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Klick is it the right play for possible bps or role blockers to claim here or no

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I’m not fishing just asking based off the lack of kill

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So I was right and both wagons yesterday were trash lmao

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That’s fair.

I’m just wondering if something stopped it that could be a cc to prana

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How's that work?

I don’t really remember what actually ccs it but it’s more protective, right? I saw no kill and I’m wondering if we have a doc or something but I vaguely remember having that combo together in a game is super op

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Neighborize me klick

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Yes.

Save the hoopla, save the world.

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I take it you’ve come around to me being town?

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It’s weird to think that all of the 3 ending wagons from yesterday were on town. It doesn’t make sense at all.

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I was counting prana but that makes all four.

Occams says prana imo.

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Town
Hoops
Agar
Cooldog
Gyp
Nippyflips
Klick
Bob

I don’t wanna Lynch any of these people

Post after added una and gobbles

What do you think klick

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How the fuck is going over my reads with another player not protown

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VOTE: battle mage

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I’m not posturing and gyp is a shit vote.

Don’t worry about how my reads manifest themselves.

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I’m not the one voting town /shrug

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So your stance is that I, scum, am appealing to change the read of my partner, klick, who is also scum

Okay

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When what exactly am I appealing to do

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Let’s stop stressing the prs atm and start lynching scummage

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I don’t think we can know who hypothetical prs targeted unless they claim.

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I’m not fishing for claims I’m saying your definitives aren’t as definitive as you are saying they are

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I’d follow hoops to the end of the earth

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And lack of a claim reinforces the protective idea

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I second hooplas notion.

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Interesting.

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What made you pick her agar

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It was incredibly obvious that was what was gonna happen

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I’ve been saying battlemage prana since yesterday klick catch up

I think bobs town tho

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Hoopla not klick

13 hour days are killing me

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Flippy, please get in here and give your result just for providing innos.

Unas clear already done

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If pranas town he should be on you tonight then, yes?

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No agar lol

I don’t want our watcher dying with nothing to show for it

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Our role blocker

God damnit I need sleep

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That’s fair. I just want it set in stone so he can’t retract it is all.

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We could have lynched him yesterday and not killed a poor turkey

He was gonna get the presidential pardon

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VOTE: prana

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It’s not buggering it all up to assume you’d watch the person who claimed a fucking guilty.

Hoops you know as well as I do he’s lying.

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I don’t really think it matters all that much with the role blocker gone.

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That’s fine with me. I’ve got a bee in my bonnet and the only cure is a scum Lynch.

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Yes clearly me saying in thread that we should leash you to the claimed role blocker with a guilty is my fault for you not targeting them. The fuck are you even on?

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Why not target prana who’s been the subject of towns focus lol

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It is a touch weird he chose to target bm when bm was claiming vig all day yesterday

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Bob he’s scum he can’t target himself with the night kill

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However Hoopla did get one thing right - lynching the claimed Watcher today is fking dumb, because it will sort itself out tonight. So let's lynch Hoopla instead. Or as an alternative suggestion, we can let the conf-towns decide the play between them. Emp can get involved too, since his play was good and I'm willing to call him basically conf-town at this point.

They’ve had multiple chances to take him out.

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No, we’re lynching prana like we should have done two days ago.

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Let me make this incredibly clear to you-

Last night, instead of going to the claimed PR who had a (proven correct) guilty, he targeted someone else because I tried to leash him in thread. If I’m scum, why the fuck would I try to leash him to the target I planned on night killing?

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What town pr actually thinks scum is going to night kill an innocent claim over the three claimed prs?

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I’ll take that as “you’re right and I know it but I’ve dug my feet in”

It’s okay BM, we’ve all been there. Feel free to join the wagon whenever you’re ready.

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That’s fine because I’m pretty confident after I flip green prana goes tomorrow

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I’m responding the bms threat

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Flippy is a fruit vendor regardless bc una conformed it

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Flippy is a fruit vendor regardless bc una conformed it

I've also confirmed it - you might have missed it...

My point was in reference e of a scum team with you and flippy.

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Who the fuck would have wasted a night kill on you bm

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claimed

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I’d listen to una before you easily

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My strategy is Lynch people with bullshit claims

Hiraki hasn’t made a bullshit claim

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the fact prana didn't watch an essentially conf-town PR is absurd. scum were forced to kill that role. if he's town, and actually tried to "outwifom" the scum...

no, lets not dabble in conspiracy theories. my faint heart couldn't withstand such an absurdity.

Not even that- he tried to shift blame for his choice in. If by actions on to me.

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His choice in night actions

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I’m editing my post where my autocorrect fucked it

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It’s why I made a second post to make my post make sense.

Are you dome?

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Motherfucker.

Done, not dome

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I’m cursing at my autocorrect not you. Why are you being so obtuse?

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No.

You stay on agar 10/10 times as a watcher here, there is no “hurrdurr wifom”. You stay on him to make sure scum can’t safely kill him- if you were town you would see that. I didn’t make an arse of anything- scum clearly targeted agar. Even with the leashing, which shows they aren’t worried about you and the only way they aren’t worried about you is if you’re scum.

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The concept of leashing scummy claims shouldn’t be a new one, it’s pretty standard play.

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Interesting.

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You mean blame someone else for him intentionally not playing optimally? I’d say.

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Bob where’d you get the doctor thing from

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Where did he say hoops is on agar I’m rereading and don’t see it

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Why doesn’t he fake a watcher guilty? Towns only had one mislynch they’d still need one more to win- they probably don’t think they are in a safe enough space to.

I think occams, hiraki. Yes I could see a world in which he is town and left alive for days, but the night actions make absolutely no sense.

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Something that could fit this is traitor (which I am not saying is definite just something that crosses my mind) as to why he wouldn’t.

Or his buddy is liable to get wagoner after this through Poe.

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Do you think we should consider mass claiming?

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That’s a lie, hoopla got on the wagon after prana claimed.

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Re formatting for clarity

I'm voting una because I want to and he isn't the best player and the reads and analyis. I agree with prama that the people on the wagon are probably bad faith actors, but fuck it at this point it.

Prama hopping to defend based upon secondary reasons is kinda garbage as well...

Not really.

It's a late wagon, clearly built to get people off the original wagons, in which BOTH of the original wagons are on... Nobody is going to tell me that scum is going to create a second wagon to compete with their own, and have it be a scum wagon as well... so if I believe both Gobbledy AND Hoopla are scum, as I do... there's a zero percent chance Una is.

I'll still take an Una lynch over no lynch as it gives info, but the fact two of my three scum reads are on him, AND they both got the wagon going under bullshit reasoning... nah, there be scum on that wagon.

after doing outside work cleaning up construction materials.

fuck it

VOTE: una

This is a bad post, look at who's on the wagon ffs.

man. Why did I just get a scum read on prama so late into the day?

Point being in less than 24 we see that prama has went from doing basically a soft chainsaw on una to going along with the wagon and downplaying the scumminess of the wagon that he mentioned previously. Very strange behavior. IF una flips scum, I think pressuring prama wouldn't be the worst idea for this post. Also notice the soft bus here. He doesn't go so far as to vote for una, but decides, ahh, hell, fuck it, let him eat rope after expressing that the wagon was bad previously.

Oh fuck off.

Seriously people?

who is adamantly against an espe lynch?

Mate... day one the only lynch I'm adamantly against is my own.

I will take a lynch of Una OVER NO LYNCH

My comments do not fucking contradict each other, and I would check my wagon if I flip for scum, because holy fucking fuck that grew fast over complete bullshit.

Also... just because I may be L-1... not fucking sure because people decided to be moronic late in D1...

I'm a watcher for fuck's sake... So well done for forcing a claim and helping Hoopla and co.

And before anyone says otherwise, I even deliberately crumbed earlier (though, my eyesight issue was correct).

Okay... I'm having a weird day, and my brain just isn't working right (Nor are my eyes... but that's a diabetes issue with me not taking my medication properly, so I apologise if it takes a little while to focus... I'm struggling to see much of anything, should be fixed soon,

watch

this space)... so would anyone mind correcting me if I've got any of this wrong?

in a una-town universe, i think there must be something pretty wrong with my reads.

why derail a safe mislynch in una to bus prana?

What the actual cuck?
"Safe mislynch"?

I mean.... good catch

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hoopla

i'm off for a while. someone else can take over the yelling

VOTE: prana

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Hoopla had literally nothing to do with your wagon it was al me and cooldog.

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He’s a traitor alright.

Game solved.

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Hoops I’m saying gyp is a traitor I don’t like his stance re prana

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It explains a lot of this game. Why it was brought up in the first place, and why prana scum wouldn’t claim a guilty now.

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Check how many times prana gives a stance on him hoops. Do it.

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Is tomorrow lylo?

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Okay. I have something to talk about that can wait then.

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@hiraki please feel free to check the same things I just told hoopla to check and let me know if that makes any sense to you.

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She’s saying that my tinfoil theory needs the flip to fully develop and can’t fully implicate gyp which is fair.

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I fully understand the position I’m in lol

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You know other than the flipped one flippys the only confirmed role right

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Try to Lynch me then, buddy

I’m fine with it being you or me today

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Do you think if I try to meta read cooldog he’ll magically reappear to tell me meta is shit?

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Just vote prana it’s him or me Micc

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Prana thinks I’m scum as does bm they are just on hoopla with the misguided notion she’s been the main wagon pusher when it’s been me

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Guys I don’t think cooldog is coming back

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He wasn’t even at l-1 its a panic claim and such a weird role to make up

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We still have a watcher claim to deal with

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I think he needs to be sorted out today we’ve literally put this off since d1

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I guess we just wait for the catchup

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Una you aren’t going to convince him he’s scum he either knows it or knows you’re wrong you need to be spending that effort trying to Lynch him. You yourself said you would be disappointed in how he played it if he flipped town given your knowledge which should tell you all you need to know- he’s likely not town.

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I’m fine with massclaim and think scum would never target a claimed bp, prob have a protective hidden.

I think unas town for their interactions with prana yesterday

Me
Una
Hoops
Cooldog slot
Flippynips
Bpmage
Hiraki

That just leaves Micc right?

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Bm I still don’t think there’s anyone in this player list who kills you

I’m also changing my mind about flippy because why is he still fruiting people

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Why would scum flippy not just stop though is my question

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Oh dunn is cooldog I didn’t read the end of the day tbh I saw the flip and left

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Hoops I think it’s massclaim time. I still have that thing we need to discuss.

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yeah but we should wait for a claim my dude

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Getting all trigger happy pisses away our lead

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You mean after you spent days telling us we were wrong and bad?

Lol...

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So we’re doing this then huh?

He claimed 1 shot then 2 shot and now more shots bm

Standby Micc I’m making sure rest of town is up for massclaim but I have reasons if you don’t like them Lynch me

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Bm why do I keep having to explain why trickle truths are scummy and why we shouldn’t believe all claims

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Thats fair.

I want to Lynch flippy hoops.

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Like the watcher right.

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Cooldog slot was the one with me trying to actively Lynch prana at first I really doubt he’s scum

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I still think it’s weird to be brought up by a non scum slot entirely however. Especially considering it was in reference to another slot entirey- flippy

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Flippy could be fruiting instead of killing.

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Bm if I hadn’t been shoving prana since d1 we wouldn’t be in the position we are so stow it

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Hoops do you think pranas hammer was the only scum vote on the turkey Lynch

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My read had literally nothing to do with you what are you even on? I brought up they were way under EVERYONES radar and cooldog and I decided all the lead wagons are trash (hint- they were) and started the wagon

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Hoops is this one normally this obstinate?

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Uhhh... no

The only way Gypyx makes sense as scum is as a traitor the team didn’t know. So they’d have no qualms with wagoning him day 1. Plus I flashlynched prana day 1. I remember klick actively said no to his wagon

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Who’s the last scum flippy

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There’s no flipped scum voting the prana wagon d1

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Elaborate on the deja vu

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I’m pretty sure regardless of miccs alignment that’s what he’d say

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Meh, I’m waiting for hoops to reread.

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Micc were you the last scum

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Assuming micc is town My order of towniest to scum is

Una
Hoops
Bm
Flippy
Bob
Dunn
Hiraki

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With your eyes, Bert

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I’m a crazy bird, what can I say

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Agar why the fuck did you block me n2 and kill yourself.

I was a doctor it’s why I was so weird since like d2

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I literally saw agar die and was so upset

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congrats to the many town heros who had their moments. it was good to be town with you, notscience

You too! I had a lot of fun this game

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I hope Gypyx comes back to explain why he brought up traitors too lol

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Booooooooooo

So you fucks blocked me and killed agar

I’m glad we won or I woulda swung for that

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N1 I was on hoops bc I misunderstood flippys claim and thought he was an inventor and obv was scumreading prana

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It was why I asked hoopla about head vs gut! My head said protect the claimed pr but my gut said he was scum protect hoops

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Also I agree town was strong but I think it was banking on the wifom of we don’t know who stopped the kill. Because that’s what I struggled with mostly lol

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I knew once the gunsmith claim came out I was supposed to be a red herring. I planned to claim day before lylo.

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It’s also why I HAD to Lynch prana before then so I had some bearing to stand on.

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I also misread flippys role and it s why I didn’t target him I thought he was an inventor

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Dead isn’t public

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I didn’t claim doc earlier because I forgot watcher doc was super op until like d2 and by then it was too late and I was vehemently pro-prana Lynch I just didn’t think me claiming would let me live

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It’s also why I was asking about what role should cc d1 because I genuinely didn’t remember because it’s been too long

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+1

Godspeed, nippyflips.