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Post Post #152 (isolation #0) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:29 am

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VOTE: Battle Mage
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Post Post #169 (isolation #1) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:45 am

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In post 166, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 152, Worcestershire wrote:VOTE: Battle Mage
Love it when you go in on me naked :wink:
Why ?
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Post Post #170 (isolation #2) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:47 am

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In post 168, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 152, Worcestershire wrote:VOTE: Battle Mage
Worcestershire, do you intend on playing the game?
I'm already playing.
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Post Post #184 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:28 am

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In post 179, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 169, Worcestershire wrote:
In post 166, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 152, Worcestershire wrote:VOTE: Battle Mage
Love it when you go in on me naked :wink:
Why ?
allows me to townbloc you
"Townbloc" in which sense ?
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Post Post #213 (isolation #4) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:24 am

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In post 212, Marashu wrote:
In post 184, Worcestershire wrote:
"Townbloc" in which sense ?
I see you signed up right before this game - do you have any prior mafia experience?
I played a few games on "AoPS" and on a platform called "Zoom", where it is possible to have eye contact with the players. I had a brief trip to "E.M" and "ToS", where I got negative experiences, until I found MafiaScum. My affinity with the theme is average.
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Post Post #215 (isolation #5) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:35 am

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What you mean ?
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Post Post #217 (isolation #6) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:43 am

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The platform has little notoriety in my country.
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Post Post #219 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:07 am

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Yes, basically that.
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Post Post #382 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:08 pm

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VOTE: Marashu
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Post Post #393 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:45 pm

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In post 383, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 376, Doctor Drew wrote:People seem to be coming around as Tux as town, but I dunno. I do get a vibe that is pocketing me and I can't shake it.
What can I do to get you to stop shaking in my pocket?

@MOD Marashu is on the VC twice, one of which is voting themselves.


What's up worsch? What are your strongest reads right now?


Mod NoteThank you, fixed
I'm still thinking.
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Post Post #394 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:47 pm

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My vote momentarily follows the angle of post #335.
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Post Post #412 (isolation #11) » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:30 am

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In post 395, Tuxedo Mask wrote:@CJ do you prefer playing town or scum?

@Worcestershire what made that case more appealing over the cases on me, Midari, Pi, or BM?
Simpler/intuitive.

What is the purpose of including your own case among the options ?
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Post Post #413 (isolation #12) » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:48 am

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In post 402, Midari Ikishima wrote:
In post 396, word321 wrote:L-1
I didn't see the hidden vote from Worchest

Honestly how long are you going to waffle and not put any thoughts down.

VOTE: Worch
It's getting to a point where you are just coasting thru it feels.
How did you not see my vote ?
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Post Post #436 (isolation #13) » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:29 am

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In post 415, Midari Ikishima wrote:
In post 413, Worcestershire wrote:
In post 402, Midari Ikishima wrote:
In post 396, word321 wrote:L-1
I didn't see the hidden vote from Worchest

Honestly how long are you going to waffle and not put any thoughts down.

VOTE: Worch
It's getting to a point where you are just coasting thru it feels.

How did you not see my vote ?
Phone Posting And I scrolled by it while my phone was in my hand. I'm sure you've never done that before?
Oh nevermind this is your second game or something.

Also when are you going to add something of substance? Or are we just going to coast thru? Like I said parroting people is not going to get us anywhere.
In post 414, votato wrote:VOTE: midari
Best vote of the game. This game has way too many lurkers.
I don't remember seeing this type of episode before on any of the platforms I played and, particularly, unless you have a Nokia 6091, I find it difficult that an accidental post skip has occurred specifically in the L-1 scenario that Marashu was in. I would suspect, however, of your intentions if the set of votes had not stagnated.

Regarding my participation in the game, I have nothing relevant to share and I do not intend to invent anything to create the false impression of activity.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #14) » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:59 am

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In post 437, votato wrote:
In post 436, Worcestershire wrote:
In post 415, Midari Ikishima wrote:
In post 413, Worcestershire wrote:
In post 402, Midari Ikishima wrote:
In post 396, word321 wrote:L-1
I didn't see the hidden vote from Worchest

Honestly how long are you going to waffle and not put any thoughts down.

VOTE: Worch
It's getting to a point where you are just coasting thru it feels.

How did you not see my vote ?
Phone Posting And I scrolled by it while my phone was in my hand. I'm sure you've never done that before?
Oh nevermind this is your second game or something.

Also when are you going to add something of substance? Or are we just going to coast thru? Like I said parroting people is not going to get us anywhere.
In post 414, votato wrote:VOTE: midari
Best vote of the game. This game has way too many lurkers.
I don't remember seeing this type of episode before on any of the platforms I played and, particularly, unless you have a Nokia 6091, I find it difficult that an accidental post skip has occurred specifically in the L-1 scenario that Marashu was in. I would suspect, however, of your intentions if the set of votes had not stagnated.

Regarding my participation in the game, I have nothing relevant to share and I do not intend to invent anything to create the false impression of activity.
You have no thoughts about who might be scum? None about who might be town?
At the moment, I have Marashu as suspect.
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Post Post #445 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:04 am

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I didn't understand the line about cognitive load.
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Post Post #450 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:15 am

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In post 448, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 445, Worcestershire wrote:I didn't understand the line about cognitive load.
Having a larger cognitive load is a characteristic of scum that can become exceptionally apparent in less experienced players, whose posting habits end up suffering from brevity and scarcity.
Seems to me a characteristic associated more with the playstyle than necessarily with apathy because of pressure scenarios.

Is there any statistical margin for this statement ?
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Post Post #550 (isolation #17) » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:37 am

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In post 451, votato wrote:
In post 450, Worcestershire wrote:
In post 448, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 445, Worcestershire wrote:I didn't understand the line about cognitive load.
Having a larger cognitive load is a characteristic of scum that can become exceptionally apparent in less experienced players, whose posting habits end up suffering from brevity and scarcity.
Seems to me a characteristic associated more with the playstyle than necessarily with apathy because of pressure scenarios.

Is there any statistical margin for this statement ?
its not simply that lurky people are scum, but that scum have a hard time faking being genuine, and there is additional cognitive load associated with lying and sustaining a lie. this causes scum to be more likely not to get jokes, to not pick up on cues, etc.
Sounds like a generalist concept, but makes some sense in theory. In practice, however, there are interpersonal differences between players that change the way each psychologically deals with pressure, lies and seriousness with jokes and other eventualities, so it is not such a strong AI criterion to define whether the course of someone's actions are coming from a scum mentality or not (within the context of frequency). But, I confess that the lack of activity is a negative characteristic for a social game and I intend to improve it as I gain more experience.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #18) » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:38 am

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In post 454, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 451, votato wrote:
In post 450, Worcestershire wrote:
In post 448, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 445, Worcestershire wrote:I didn't understand the line about cognitive load.
Having a larger cognitive load is a characteristic of scum that can become exceptionally apparent in less experienced players, whose posting habits end up suffering from brevity and scarcity.
Seems to me a characteristic associated more with the playstyle than necessarily with apathy because of pressure scenarios.

Is there any statistical margin for this statement ?
its not simply that lurky people are scum, but that scum have a hard time faking being genuine, and there is additional cognitive load associated with lying and sustaining a lie. this causes scum to be more likely not to get jokes, to not pick up on cues, etc.
Actually I believe cognitive load can (and more often does) work the other way - scum become hypersensitive to every small interaction, joke, etc. because they don't want to "slip up". This leads to inactivity from an overthinking or fear that they will put out something scummy into the game.
This is also relative, but in the same way, I think I can understand the line of thought and why there is a connection between inactivity and cognitive load, inferring doubtful behavior, embora não concorde
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Post Post #552 (isolation #19) » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:50 am

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In post 456, Battle Mage wrote:an idea:

if we can make it through Day 1 without outting the hider, would it be sensible for everyone to claim a name they would target if they were the hider? this way if the hider dies without their target dying, we will likely have 1 confirmed scum? probably most helpful if we try and get a reasonable diverse spread of names too.
What does this role do ?
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Post Post #554 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:25 am

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As I understand it, there are three possibilities:

1- Choose a mafia and die.
2- Choose a vigilante and die.
3- Choose a victim and die together if visited by mafia/vigilante.

The only problem is that in two of these three scenarios the vigilante distorts the expected result, which can lead to a misinterpretation of the facts, especially in possibility 2. If that could be adjusted, it would be a good plan.
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Post Post #555 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:28 am

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In post 458, superbowl9 wrote:Unless a lot of people choose the same person to hide behind, that's the only downside I can see
We could establish a variation of choice to avoid this.
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Post Post #557 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:34 am

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In post 461, Deimos27 wrote:Battle Mage gives me like 16 tonnes of resonance every time he posts. He's active and engaged, he's scumhunting, he's tonally squeaky clean.
I don't have substantial logical reason for why he is town, but this is one of the stronger gutreads I've had in my mafia career.
I share a similar read about him, but in a less exaggerated way.
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Post Post #559 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:45 am

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In post 556, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 554, Worcestershire wrote:As I understand it, there are three possibilities:

1- Choose a mafia and die.
2- Choose a vigilante and die.
3- Choose a victim and die together if visited by mafia/vigilante.

The only problem is that in two of these three scenarios the vigilante distorts the expected result, which can lead to a misinterpretation of the facts, especially in possibility 2. If that could be adjusted, it would be a good plan.
It can be adjusted by there not being a Vig. The person who got Vig can choose to be a tracker instead, and since this is the public plan then it's safe to assume they will/should.

What's with the uptick in activity? You connecting with the game now? What are your reads?

Anything to add Brass?
So there are two roles in one ?

I have a little more time available today. I still have Marashu as a suspect and now my impression of Battle Mage has improved more significantly (as town). Good impressions about Superbowl and Word too.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #24) » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:49 am

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Tuxedo and Deimos are reminding me of some friends on the zoom platform, in the sense of articulation and tone. They were hardly caught as scum, so I'm in doubt if this assimilation of experience has any weight in this game. The rest I don't have a definite opinion yet.
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Post Post #592 (isolation #25) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:40 am

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In post 561, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 559, Worcestershire wrote:So there are two roles in one ?

I have a little more time available today. I still have Marashu as a suspect and now my impression of Battle Mage has improved more significantly (as town). Good impressions about Superbowl and Word too.
Roles are page 1. Town has a hider, a half tracker half vig (chosen), and a half cop half psychologist (random).

Are there specific reasons for these reads? Any posts you can share?
My impressions are more for tone and intuition, I don't have a specific post to show.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:54 am

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In post 562, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 554, Worcestershire wrote:As I understand it, there are three possibilities:

1- Choose a mafia and die.
2- Choose a vigilante and die.
3- Choose a victim and die together if visited by mafia/vigilante.

The only problem is that in two of these three scenarios the vigilante distorts the expected result, which can lead to a misinterpretation of the facts, especially in possibility 2. If that could be adjusted, it would be a good plan.
We won't have a vigilante. This is one good reason why.

Also, the
most
likely possibility, and the one you've missed here, is that the hider hides behind town and lives, but doesn't claim. Then once they die, we potentially have a conftown late in the game, which would be hugely useful.
Good observation, I didn't pay attention to these details. If the vigilante problem doesn’t occur, we can follow your plan.
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Post Post #594 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:05 am

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In post 563, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 555, Worcestershire wrote:
In post 458, superbowl9 wrote:Unless a lot of people choose the same person to hide behind, that's the only downside I can see
We could establish a variation of choice to avoid this.
I have suggested (Well, actually it wasn't my idea, but I endorsed and tweaked it) a solution to this - we all pick the person above us in the playerlist. that way, only 1 person picks each person.
I was thinking about creating priorities of choice and then distributing it among the players, but your idea is more practical.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:10 am

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In post 566, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 559, Worcestershire wrote:
In post 556, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 554, Worcestershire wrote:As I understand it, there are three possibilities:

1- Choose a mafia and die.
2- Choose a vigilante and die.
3- Choose a victim and die together if visited by mafia/vigilante.

The only problem is that in two of these three scenarios the vigilante distorts the expected result, which can lead to a misinterpretation of the facts, especially in possibility 2. If that could be adjusted, it would be a good plan.
It can be adjusted by there not being a Vig. The person who got Vig can choose to be a tracker instead, and since this is the public plan then it's safe to assume they will/should.

What's with the uptick in activity? You connecting with the game now? What are your reads?

Anything to add Brass?
So there are two roles in one ?

I have a little more time available today. I still have Marashu as a suspect and now my impression of Battle Mage has improved more significantly (as town). Good impressions about Superbowl and Word too.
Excellent, I think that's a pretty good little townbloc, and we can even add Deimos, whom I adore.

Battle Mage - Superbowl - Word - Worcestershire - Deimos

If we all stick together, we should be able to clean this place up, lickety split!
I don't feel comfortable with Deimos on that list. He passes on an analytical confidence that does not seem natural to me.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #29) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:25 am

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True concern, but disproportionate tingling of Tuxedo on page 23.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #30) » Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:28 am

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Marashu, claim.
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Post Post #763 (isolation #31) » Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:31 am

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In post 758, Aristophanes wrote:Marushy is at El-1 and I don't understand why. Can someone please fill me in before a hammer drops??

Like, I just went through and read Mara's Iso and I don't see scum motivation there. Like no scum ping or anything from the slot! Overall it was a very neutral read. So what am I missing here?

Is it a gameplay difference in the new generation of players? I haven't played with many 2019s and I don't think I have with any 2020 joindates other than alts, so maybe they have a tell that I am missing??

@Nash,
Consolidation on a wagon is fine at only a couple days left but El-1 is not a consolidation vote. It is not a pressure vote. It shows you want this stot eliminated. What is your case here, other than consolidation?

Man, I haven't played in a newbie game in a while. PenguinPower, save me!
If marashu is town, this guy is mafia trying to anticipate a good position on the ml scenario for tomorrow.
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Post Post #765 (isolation #32) » Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:49 am

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If marashu is town, this guy is mafia trying to anticipate a good position on the ml scenario for tomorrow.
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Post Post #780 (isolation #33) » Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:24 am

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What games did you mention ? (Links)
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Post Post #851 (isolation #34) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:46 am

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In post 802, Marashu wrote:
In post 798, Battle Mage wrote:i'm fine with marashu claiming, only on the proviso that if he claims vanilla we actually lynch him. I'm fking sick of these setups where we just run up a bunch of people and out all the PRs.
Well, I am claiming VT, so what happens happens. My elimination might not be a bad thing in that regard (except for the fact that it's a miselimination), because it should at least give context to my wagon and some of the reads on me. I'd rather be an early miseliminationthan than a late miselimination, and more than either I want to win, so if my elimination helps town get the info we need to win, then so be it.

I feel like Nash is coasting, which is why I want more pressure there. I'm actually kinda feeling Worcestershire as scum - I thought that Nash's point on cognitive load was pretty on point, and resonates with past games I've played as scum. I just didn't think that will gain traction with so many people seemingly TRing Worce.
Bullshit.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #35) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:50 am

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Much unnecessary discussion in the last pages. I still have the view that Marashu is scum.
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Post Post #853 (isolation #36) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:52 am

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Aris, however, is giving me a much better impression than his predecessor.
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Post Post #854 (isolation #37) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:02 am

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I need 3 votes on Marashu.
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