Silent Star 1: Lunacy

[midwaybear]

VOTE: votato
He should be the sacri- ... I mean gift

[midwaybear]

That is true
catching up

[midwaybear]

Spoiler:

In my experience from playing with midwaybear, he's always scum

Really? I played one game with you unless I know you somewhere else

I just looked over some of your games. I feel like you get into things faster as town. You start talking about something.

What were you expecting to see from her opening game post? I saw that she did that as scum too in mini 2136(talking about stuff in the game), so I don't think this meta read is correct.

skitter's vote on Dunn is fine because it was a bad push and maybe even a fake push. I do think Dunnstral was reaching with the argument, but I'm still not sure whether that makes him scum.

As the villagers erupt into offering their suggestions on who should be sent down, the bear walks over to the well.

Is this me

You weren’t on my radar until after I voted dunn. I don’t like that you jumped on him and then immediately backed off with “too scummy to be scum.”

I noticed this as well, but I didn't really think his backtrack was scummy. It just felt like he was reconsidering reads which I like.

how do you weigh that against lilith kinda playing both sides in the 1v1. like i agree with your reasoning, but im still getting pings from lilith stirring stuff up on both sides of the fight.

I bet votato is mad that beeboy townreads lilith and he's trying to get him not to.

VOTE: Dunnstral because I think he came out with a purposely bad push to make it look like TWTBAW. Him remaining so stubborn makes me feel good about this.
beeboy can be town for now(not really sure why)

[midwaybear]

Well I did think ND and Dunnstral were scum together until they fakeclaimed masons

Also, clover ebi is using a lot of emojis. I think this could be because he is nervous and paranoid about his posts.

[midwaybear]

Also, clover ebi is using a lot of emojis. I think this could be because he is nervous and paranoid about his posts.

do u have experience with clover?

no.
I'm not sure what to think of this because he just used another emoji to reply to me. Tricky tricky. I also like emojis, so I think this is fine for now.

[midwaybear]

Tuxedo's initial argument on beeboy is not a good one in my opinion. I think the hey-hey was meant to be a joke, and it didn't really derail the game in my opinion. Besides, it's an attention grabbing entrance that I don't think scum would take. beeboy's defense of Dunnstral was more of a thought, and it also provided good discussion because Lilith had recently played in a game where Dunnstral wasn't like that.
I like that beeboy seems to be reading tux in good faith by letting him talk about other reads.
Tux's entrance is very similar to dunnstral's because they both picked bad reasons to scumread someone. Not liking him as of now.

[midwaybear]

ok that's true
But I like to do that as town when I'm talking to people I think I could be tunneling or even people I think could be scum. It's just a way to lessen pressure and get them to talk. If they're scum, they will say something that sounds forced, and if they're town, it's good.

[midwaybear]

The midway thing was a joke because I've always been scum in his games and he gets pushed as town

bruh you played in one game with me
right?

[midwaybear]

oh yeah the mini normal
i sorta gave up in that one, but I was trying more in the mini theme.
Do you still scumread skitter?@Dunnstral

[midwaybear]

i do agree with tux that beeboy has fluffed a lot, but maybe it's because he's drunk which isn't AI

[midwaybear]

lso, wtf -- this comes a bit after Lilith started a push on Clover that votato joined. You didnt mention Clover in your catchup post. what prompted you to theorize out of the blue that clover is using emojis to hide nervousness? Just seeing a couple of emojis?

lol it was a half-joke, but basically

What's TWTBAW?

To wolfy to be a wolf. It's sorta like votato's point that Dunnstral is town because his push was bad. I disagree with this because I don't think being anti-town is exclusively for town. I think scum can act anti-town to get the village to ignore them. In fact, it's a viable strategy for scum to act anti-town if you believe in this TWTBAW logic.

tux's argument = not good = townie

I don't think I ever said that his argument was townie.

[midwaybear]

oh the bolded was talking about beeboy because he sorta made himself the center of things by making people say hey to him. Now I realize the point isn't as valid because perhaps beeboy was trying to pocket people by lightening things up, but I still find him townie for treating tuxedo in good faith even though tux's case wasn't that good.

[midwaybear]

well I townread you in one game(though that was lazy game) and scumread you in the other. That means you can change ur approach to scum.
Your point is acknowledged, but not accepted.

[midwaybear]

I don't really get votato's read on tux. It seems to me like he is calling him out for not playing like town tux, but also not willing to call him scum.

[midwaybear]

seems legit
but why votato? gut?

[midwaybear]

Spoiler:

As I said playing with you before is that I call things as I see them. Maybe it was a leap but as I was reading the thread it was what came to mind looking at Beeboy's posts.

I guess I like this answer because it feels pretty upfront.

As for specifics, when it comes to the Dunnstral, Lilith, Skitter, Votato early wagon group, I think Lilith comes out looking the best. MT feels like town MT I've played with before, even if hurts to be on receiving end of their wrath (I do feel intimidated Hectic). Kanna gives me tonal pings, and it might be influenced that they seem to be the first player I seem to have gotten through to somewhat this game. Which might not be the best reason, but it feels good to be seen.

This does seem to be a gamesolvely type post.

I agree with you that I also like him pushing you for your thoughts as that's pretty consistent with his initial gutread on you.

[midwaybear]

no, it's just that I like that type of behavior where he was asking you a lot of questions because I like to do that to as town to get a better read. Now that I look at it, the questions tux asked you would probably not be the same ones I asked you. He asked you "what about this game is so enjoyable"(or something like that). I'm not really sure what the point of that is because it's more of a relaxing question than an on the spot one.

[midwaybear]

I do not really get the votes on nahdia right now btw. The stance on beeboy's frustration with tux was fine to me. I can sorta see what they mean by that, but I still think beeboy is overall more townie. I don't really see why scum would try to paint it as a 1v1 especially if there wasn't a lot of momentum at the time.

[midwaybear]

Also I feel like you are just lacking a certain level of aggro compared to the rest of the playerlist. If this is the style of game you like I think your reasoning and pushes should be more like leading the charge yourself I guess? I am not basing this on meta and more just your comment on the game relative to how your playing. Like to put it the best I can I think your adding on to what is going on / analyzing the field. While i feel like you implied you like the more leadership approach people are taking to the game.


I am not voting you because I am not sure I have enough yet but that is what is going through my head.

I do not really understand this quote from beeboy, but maybe his way of scumhunting is too bigbrain for me.

[midwaybear]

why is everyone afraid to lynch me because of my town meta? I just want to be townie for once

[midwaybear]

also, MT, the game I played with you is not really representative of my normal play. I do not think dunnstral has been that townie btw

pedit: I was going to do the crying emoji, but I decided to do the smiling one. Take that as you will. I don't know what it means

[midwaybear]

guys I have basically no reads
this is not good

[midwaybear]

why is Dunnstral town? Just because he isn't as passive as last game?

[midwaybear]

@votato it seems to me that you are trying to force discussion by making people scumread you. Since I also feel some apathy, I'll take a look at ur posts and see if I can.

[midwaybear]

nice sheeping

[midwaybear]

I think votato is town now. There was some early game stuff I didn't really like(like the aggro attitude towards lilith), but there's a lot of townie stuff too. I still don't really get his clover read, but he's been asking a lot of questions and his thoughts don't feel faked so town.

[midwaybear]

sometimes scum are just LHF though
not every scum will have a dominant presence in the game

[midwaybear]

Spoiler:

midway, did you ever elaborate on your beeboy read and why you think he's town? has he done anything that pushes you in one direction or the other since you initially said this?

I don't think I did, but he still remains townie to me. I was understanding what he was saying in 351 about justifying reads, and he seems pretty open with what he's thinking in the moment which is hard to fake(?).

I’m with skitter on this one - nahdia didn’t seem to react to tux at all, only to beeboy’s reaction to tux, which links back to my hypothesis of scum being more at arms’ length from interactions

It's true that there wasn't really any thoughts on tux provided. I don't really think this is necessarily scum-indicative though.

What did you think beeboy’s post meant/what the intentions were behind it and did you think this post was scum-motivated?

I didn't think it was scum-motivated. I just didn't really understand it. I never really got the feeling that votato wanted to take a leadership role, so I didn't get why beeboy was calling him out for being passive.

[midwaybear]

don't like the vote

[midwaybear]

lilith, beeboy, votato, mt are probably town
kanna seems legit
nahdia, skitter, clover, tux have a good amount of posts but I may have not been paying attention
idk about drusilla and raven
dunnstral is probably scum

[midwaybear]

did i already ask you how your read on me progressed? because i remember you scumreading me. im pretty sure i asked, but did you answer?

I didn't scumread you. The most I ever said was "stop sheeping".

[midwaybear]

midway do you see why just throwing random shade at people and not following up on it at all doesnt really help? like yeah go you for noticing things, but if you've only ever said scum things about me, and overall townread me, it doesnt make sense.

I townread you after reading your iso though. It's not like I was hard tunneled on to you. I see what you mean though.

I don't get the point of Clover's vote.

[midwaybear]

I’m okay with being mislynched providing he’s next.

that's not how it works...

I don't really agree with the votes on votato. I feel like a lot of his posts this game have been trying to gamesolve. I feel like he was genuinely trying to sort me with posts 567, 573, and 580. His interaction with lilith also was fine.
I don't think he voted you because his clover wagon wasn't gaining momentum, but perhaps out of part troll(as lilith was pushing him to vote you) and actual scumread.

[midwaybear]

Is this truly a coincidence, that he switches his vote to me right after this post?

This isn't true either

[midwaybear]

But Lillith claimed to vote me as a reaction test? How do you read that as a troll? He gave literally no reason for his vote other than I’m “scummier”.

Yeah, but that's sorta a votato thing to do. He was scumreading you, so when Lillith told him to vote you, he was probably like "screw it lol I'll vote".

How is it not true? He never even commented on that post. Why do you think that is?

He voted you a long time before you said that.

Funny that you unvoted. Just going with the flow?

[midwaybear]

I’m not even alignment locked on Starbuck/votato rn and should probably unvote her pending more content.

I would seriously like to know what you think is wrong with my unvoting a slot that just got replaced pending further content?

Meh, it just felt like people were defending votato so you tried to inconspicuously unvote while providing that reason(more content). Like trying to subtlety back off.

[midwaybear]

you are townier now because you seem to actually be scumhunting wrt your comments on lillith
lillith is probably town because she seemed to be wanting direct comments in the early game while scum would be content with vaguer answers
about my scum meta, you can check out newbie 1997. Scum sweep

[midwaybear]

i guess I was sorta obv scum even though we won...
not really sure tho

[midwaybear]

Fair point about looking conspicuous, but I still don't get the motivation behind why you unvoted. After all, it's not like votato was under serious pressure, and you still say that he seemed manipulative and agenda-y so the unvote doesn't really make sense to me.

[midwaybear]

? dunnstral's comments on lilith came long before you said dunnstral was probably scum unless you very specifically mean his question 'why is lilith probably town?'.

It's called reevaluation.

[midwaybear]

UNVOTE: Dunnstral as you wish
I agree with raven that her and nahdia could both be town. Just because someone defends another person doesn't mean they are both scum together.

[midwaybear]

What I don’t understand is why MWB so strongly tr him for that?

I don't townread him for that; it's more like not really thinking that was scummy. I townread him for trying to sort people and scumhunt. I honestly don't think the PoE post comes from scum either.

[midwaybear]

Scum historically focuses on LHF because they’re the easiest to mislynch.

Maybe, but my theory was that they will actually focus on tougher targets sometimes to use WIFOM. That's why I initially scumread Dunnstral.

[midwaybear]

who was I shading? votato and raven? Well I think both of them are town now

[midwaybear]

im pretty sure mt is town
i think I townread everyone who is trying to do the poe solve. IDK why though. votato is townie, MT is townie, and clover is also somewhat townie.
pedit: indeed, because votato asked me to post one so I did

[midwaybear]

my gut. I didn't feel beeboy's entrance was a scum entrance, votato was townie because he seemed to be trying to scumhunt and sorta people(like me), lillith because she wanted directness when scum would be fine with vague, and mt was mostly tone but she also seemed to be trying to scumhunt.
I think dunnstral is town now too, and I would move tuxedo lower.

[midwaybear]

I don't know who to vote either
probably taking a look at kanna and drusilla later

[midwaybear]

What is a lovebird?

Spoiler:

Drusilla's first post was mostly some meaningless comments that felt like she was saying "this could be A, but it could also be B.

this (making an rvs post seemingly designed to draw reactions; moving us out of rvs) is towny behaviour. towny behaviour i've previously emulated as mafia so i'm sure dunnstral would easily be able to do so as well, but towny behaviour nonetheless. skitter may have been doing the same thing with the exclamation points but it is hard for me to tell.

Like right here, she says that Dunn could have been trying to move us out of RVS, but he also could have been faking it.

Then, she proceeds to ask some questions to certain players, but I'm not sure what the point of them was. For example,

do you think the elaboration was due to your/votato's reaction to the original post?

The answer to this is a pretty obvious yes? Of course beeboy feels this way, or else he probably wouldn't be pushing Tuxedo for it.

additionally, what sort of reactions were you hoping for?

This is referring to Nahdia, but I don't get why this question is even a thing. Why does it even matter?

how do you feel about tuxedo mask disengaging from both votato and beeboy?

This question is fine. Just showing that I'm not conf biasing.

When she gives her reads in 363, they seem pretty weak to me. She managed to say a lot of stuff, but didn't really give any firm opinions on anyone. It was an on the spot, so it's not as scummy but I still don't really like it. For example

i liked dunnstral's opening but his staying on skitter (which she also pointed out) feels weird to me.

This doesn't really say much about Dunnstral.

sure. skitter's play hasn't felt advantageous in the way i would expect it to if she were mafia. i asked her about potentially town indicative reasons for her use of exclamation points which she shot down in favour of 'good mood', which is nai.

I actually like the elaboration here, and it makes me think that skitter is more townie. It would be easy for her to accept drusilla's town indicative reasons, so shooting it down as "good mood" is sorta townie. This might be a bit of a stretch though...

because it felt like he was trying to say votato was mafia for a reason that didn't seem to hold up under even the most cursory of thought. i would still like dunnstral to address this.

My opinion is that Dunnstral was trolling in response to votato saying he townread himself.

votato was giving momentum to any upcoming wagon but it felt similar to his play in mantis leadership:

more "this or that"...

I also disagree that Kanna was too aware in her vote of skitter. I don't think saying "idk if anyone will go with me on this" is indicative one way or the other.

Meh, drusilla's iso doesn't really pull me one way or the other. There's nothing really too bold here, but I don't really think that's indicative. There was a lot of wishy washyness, but I think that is playstyle. Her progressions have been pretty consistent even though she hasn't really engaged with a lot of players. This makes me give her a slight town lean. I don't want to vote here.

[midwaybear]

ugh so many people going "woe is me"
I guess I am guilty of this too though. Tuxedo's questions feel a little forced. I think if he really wanted to know why kanna, raven, and nahdia were voting skitter he could have looked at their isos. I don't really see the point in asking morning that either.

[midwaybear]

Ok, but he worded it in a more vague way that didn’t really mention any of that.

[midwaybear]

@Midway why aren't you voting?

I guess I'll VOTE: Dunnstral. I did townread him, but it seems like he has stopped scumhunting which is scummy. I don't understand the Nahdia case yet, but I think I will be informed by EoD to vote or not vote.

okay, why did you choose to reevaluate your read of dunnstral at that time? and why did you originally scumread him? you said dunnstral was probably scum, then when dunnstral asked why you said he was townier now for a reason that predated your scumread.

I think he said that I shouldn't have been scumreading him which made me reconsider. I originally scumread him because I felt like he was trying to go the TWTBAW path, and I think his comments on lillith were after.

MT just went super tryhard, so that's town right?

[midwaybear]

I think midway is obviously scummy

why?

[midwaybear]

Honestly Dunnstral doubled down just so you would think that. He knows it would be considered foolish to attack skitter especially with his terrible reasons.

[midwaybear]

why as town would you not just think... he's scummy because x, and is therefore scum? or why not think perhaps he IS too scummy to be scum, and is therefore town? he continues down this path many steps, not keeping his read too surface level, but instead overcomplicating it.

people were townreading him, so I just said that I disagreed with that specific line of logic.

@Midwaybear why did I have to ask you to vote? What is it you don't understand about the Nahdia case? Where do you think Dunn stopped scum hunting?

Well, I don't super scumread Dunnstral so my vote was more to appease you. Regarding Nahdia, it seems to me that the argument against them is more about meta and less about defending raven right? I feel like her defense last night was valid. About Dunn not scum hunting, he hasn't really been posting anymore so ofc he can't be scumhunting! But yeah, his comments on lillith were the best from him. I'll take a look later.

[midwaybear]

Why are you trying to 'appease him'

cuz he was asking me why I wasn't voting, so I voted you

[midwaybear]

I actually think I've been more townie this game than normal. Reading the other posts now.

[midwaybear]

tuxedo seems townier for trying to get a read on nahdia
still unclear about nahdia because the posting seemed genuine, but I'm not sure what I can really take out of it
starbuck is a little scummier. I don't get the misunderstanding between her and tux.
beeboy continues to be town.
glazed over kanna's posting

[midwaybear]

nothing wrong, but it doesn't have as much as an impact on me. I don't think she is getting hanged anyways, so it's not a priority.

[midwaybear]

Some people I don't remember their posts a lot. kanna is one of them this game. I don't really want to focus on her too much today since we are apparently running close to EoD and there isn't really a lot of talk about her. This is probably a bad mentality though, but I don't really want to effort with sorting her right now.

[midwaybear]

what's up with the starbuck votes?

[midwaybear]

ok, I see the argument against her. I'm hesitant to vote because of meta.

[midwaybear]

Is it irrational to worried Midway might be a role that wins by being voted out?

nice shade

[midwaybear]

I scumread her in the last game, so I'm hesitant to scumread her this game. It's sorta like why people are avoiding voting me this game.

[midwaybear]

I'll probably vote skitter or nahdia later.
I townread votato so that is also a reason I don't really want to vote starbuck.

[midwaybear]

Picking weird arguments, and bad tone. Her tone was pretty defensive to me last time similar to this game, and I feel like the arguments she's been making are also similarly bad to last game. I sense emotion and it is probably townie emotion based on the meta.

[midwaybear]

isn't skitter the counterwagon though?

[midwaybear]

I don’t really see myself voting either of you.
Can we do Dunnstral today?

[midwaybear]

or! alternatively! we powerwagon midway "hey guys im gonna ignore everything going on in the thread oh golly oh jeeze why i dont have any reads" bear. if there enough people actually active and willing before deadline, i would actually consider that!

Not true

[midwaybear]

I think it was starbuck who mentioned this, but it’s a good point that a skitter/nahdia flip is good to resolve

I'm fine with one or the other. Given skitter's severe overreaction, I'd much rather that elimination.



Midway, we aren't getting Dunn today. Please pick one of Nahdia or skitter. Either or. We need to figure out this 1v1.

Starbuck what changed between posts 1150 and 1151?
bee boy, I have an undefined more posts here than the scum pt. No need to worry

[midwaybear]

bruh

[midwaybear]

I still think Midway has coasted the entire game voting Dunnstral without any real other opinions.

this isn't true. At all.
These people can still be scum: dunn, clover, skitter, kanna, nahdia, and maybe lilith cuz she's been buddying with skitter

[midwaybear]

i don't even want to vote starbuck
dunnstral has actually been coasting, and the reasons to townread him are so BS

[midwaybear]

let me catch up first

[midwaybear]

Basically TWL midway was running to his death but Midway in this game is being swept away by the tide.

wth? How does this make me scum

[midwaybear]

What part of midway sticking to Dunnstral all game makes you want to defend him?

i mean he has went from scum to town to scum for me. I am trying to get reads on everyone else though unliek him

[midwaybear]

i don't want to spam the game thread anymore. That's not helpful towards town.

[midwaybear]

let's get dunnstral today. the reasons for scumreading me are so bad.

[midwaybear]

how can i defend myslef?
pedit: sure
raven-gut town, tux-gut town, starbuck-votato was townie, mt-tryhard=town
beeboy-weird voting, but i think that comes from town more, nahdia is probably town too based on intuition
idk about clover anymore. Townie tone, but I think they are good at scum.
lillith and skitter have been lowkey buddying so we might want to go there even though they were initially townie
drusilla lean town. already explained
kanna-don't remember her posts so maybe scum
dunn-SCUM SCUM SCUM; legit coasting

[midwaybear]

let's go dunnstral
I don't get what was scummy about votato and starbuck seems fine

[midwaybear]

why am I even on the table? I legit don't understand?! I am trying to solve this game too!!!
dunnstral isn't even trying at this point

[midwaybear]

dunnstral has actually been coasting,

Not gonna lie, I have and should give this game more attention

I don't think 'coasting' is a good reason to lynch me, and you're the pot calling the kettle black

well that's why they want to get me, and I am doing way more than you.
playing the attention excuse are we

[midwaybear]

I'd say Starbuck is next because the votato stuff is still in my mind, I'd have to read their posts more closely to see if I still hold true to this

this is so vague. What votato stuff?
I am not trying to make the game between me and you...

[midwaybear]

Well, I don't super scumread Dunnstral so my vote was more to appease you.

Lynch this man

because what. I don't see how that is scummy.

[midwaybear]

midway, i don't feel too strongly about at all. which is maybe the point why people want to lynch him, but

how does this make me scum?
this logic is so wack

[midwaybear]

i know but that isn't a good reason for me to be voted
(not standing out)

[midwaybear]

it's mostly that nobody jumps out to me as super scummy except for Dunnstral. I think it's too late to tryhard. I think I will make sure my TRs feel townie if i live but I don't want to be conf biased

[midwaybear]

oops my bad
well I don't really scumread you too. But it seems that the poe is the way to go because people seems generally townie

[midwaybear]

so uh who are we hanging tonight

[midwaybear]

so uh who are we hanging tonight

[midwaybear]

why...
why not dunnstral

[midwaybear]

omg dunnstral is legit so scummy with that vote!!!
If i die tonight, remember to vote this dude out tommorow.

[midwaybear]

HE HAMMERED!!

[midwaybear]

Are werewolves town or mafia?

[midwaybear]

I am not in a pt with either

[midwaybear]

What’s your role?

[midwaybear]

Are you a power role like bodyguard or watcher like Starbuck/Lilith?
I am a werewolf lone wolf.

[midwaybear]

Oh. Well, it’s strange that you weren’t in a pt with them.
This may be a game of reverse mafia.

[midwaybear]

Well now me and drusilla are confirmed, but everyone could be faking it.

[midwaybear]

Power roles don’t make sense to me if this is reverse mafia though...
I just played in a game with 11 goons and 2 mason vigilantes. Maybe this is different.

[midwaybear]

Who’s your buddy skitter?

[midwaybear]

So you knew she was scum?

[midwaybear]

that makes no sense
I am a lone wolf.

[midwaybear]

why do you need to be in groups with people. Only skitter mentioned that.

[midwaybear]

Well if I am the only person who is alone, it makes sense. Besides, we don’t know if everyone is paired.

[midwaybear]

just played in a game with 11 goons and 2 mason vigilantes.

[midwaybear]

That’s basically this game though, just saying that it’s possible for a two man scumtram

[midwaybear]

What do we think the melt with lava switch means?

[midwaybear]

Not paired, but I am werewolf aligned

[midwaybear]

who is everyone's partner? I'm curious.

[midwaybear]

what's wrong with revealing partners?

[midwaybear]

buddy I would not be like this as town and you know it

[midwaybear]

what's wrong with revealing buddies? It makes the game more interesting to read

[midwaybear]

huh so there is a mafia faction?

[midwaybear]

i trust dunnstral

[midwaybear]

that means the people who don't want to claim partners are scum(not werewolf)

[midwaybear]

hahahaha

[midwaybear]

everybody should claim their pair and whoever is left out must be nahdia's parnter

[midwaybear]

I think my partner is werewolf with me

what do you mean by "I

think

"

[midwaybear]

then why did you say I think my partner is a werewolf
can people just claim their partners?
ok so drusilla and clover are together...

[midwaybear]

Nahdia I don't believe that you're an alignment cop that got rolecopped and pushed by real mafia.

you mean kanna?

[midwaybear]

bruh I thought they would be the same alignment so no need to hide stuff

[midwaybear]

wdym sort of? I thought you know you are the same alignment...

[midwaybear]

nobody should vote nahdia because the votes are at L-2 or L-1 right now

[midwaybear]

yo beeboy claim ur partner
I hope that wasn't hammer but it's possible

[midwaybear]

Everyone should go read their partner pt in a new light.

*cries in lone wolf*

[midwaybear]

ARGH! MY PLAN!

I told Nahdia how I planned to approach the day if everyone was Wolves. So now it won't work. Unless there isn't a Mafia chat or something.

uh so you admit that you are mafia?

[midwaybear]

well it just sounded like tuxedo mask gave up or something

[midwaybear]

drusilla you should hear me out more. In the pt

this seems like an unnecessary comment

[midwaybear]

we have?

[midwaybear]

that's what MT was saying...

[midwaybear]

I find it strange that starbuck and Lilith are supposedly paired together. My theory is that tuxedo is town and that the two other mafia are pretending to be paired with each other.

[midwaybear]

So to find out who is really scum, I think we have to figure out who was surprised by the pairs. This immediately rules out skitter and raven because skitter was the first to propose the idea.

[midwaybear]

Because I think the scum team is two people pretending to be paired together.

[midwaybear]

skitter was the first person to bring up being paired together with someone. This is an audacious move as scum, but I guess it’s possible...
I did notice that skitter and Lilith were buddying yesterday. Did raven and Starbuck seem aligned?

[midwaybear]

Starbuck was town though

I meant like sharing private communcation.
Do all your pt tell you that the other person is aligned with you?

[midwaybear]

Hm then maybe for some people it would not say that. This must be true because I am town, so there must be at least one pt that is not “factional”.

[midwaybear]

This is asscpuming 3 scum which might be a dangerous assumption

[midwaybear]

Well if there’s 3 scum, then at least one of the pts is not a “factional” pt.

[midwaybear]

How do we know there’s a role blocker?

[midwaybear]

I feel like nahdia would be trying to distance more from tuxedo if he was scum instead of giving up.

[midwaybear]

maybe, but that is really risky

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Nahdia

[midwaybear]

I’ll doc you.

[midwaybear]

I’m not sure what nahdia was saying eod can be used as evidence.

[midwaybear]

This is believable.

[midwaybear]

I think there’s probably one mafia in the other pair and tux and Nandi were just pretending to be in the same pt.

[midwaybear]

I see what skitter is saying, but what does drusilla gain from a false guilty?

[midwaybear]

@midwaybear, if you're legit a doctor I am claiming next post lol.

nah, but is that a softclaim?

[midwaybear]

well maybe we can clear some pepole from chara's interactions, so that seems like a win to me.

[midwaybear]

I have heard that more power roles can sometimes be a negative for town.

[midwaybear]

I killed her

[midwaybear]

It does feel like I've been brushed aside to just a poe read when I was one of the top townreads on day 1 but I don't know if those were all fake so I can't tell. I felt like my reasoning for me being town made sense though

bruh you are scum, so being townie D1 shouldn't mean anything

[midwaybear]

And as I've been...trying to say. I was not playing like scum the entire game.

why does you playing like town D1 mean we should townread you now though?

[midwaybear]

lol why MT?

[midwaybear]

so you are town?

[midwaybear]

so this is multiball?

[midwaybear]

why wouldn't nahdia just straight-up say that then? Why be so cryptic about it?

[midwaybear]

VOTE: chara
hope this slips mafia

[midwaybear]

uhhh

[midwaybear]

yay we hit another mafia! That means one of your groups is corrupted...
beware

[midwaybear]

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to duel someone.

I wonder what this means.

[midwaybear]

It seems like maybe there is a role called mafioso which has special powers.

[midwaybear]

odd night pr maybe

[midwaybear]

Probably because his progression feels off? Idk

[midwaybear]

Read this last post. Scum!Gamma lectured town!Mastina on his buddy DDL. Tell me how both Tux’s and Nahdia’s beeyboy pushes are extremely different here.

This is a bad reason to scumread beeboy because it is from different players.

[midwaybear]

do we think that there are 3 or 4 mafiosos

[midwaybear]

Well the mafioso seem quite weak unless the mafioso is a new role that has strong powers, so maybe there are 4 mafioso instead of 3? This shouldn't really matter, but I don't think there is another scum faction.

[midwaybear]

BRUH kanna was killed because she was a cop

[midwaybear]

ok, but that does not mean her reads were correct just because she was killed!

[midwaybear]

then what's the point of bringing up her reads in the first place?

[midwaybear]

well tuxedo mask was likely the hang anyways. I do think the watcher claim was not necessary start of day.

[midwaybear]

midway

hmm

[midwaybear]

@midwaybear, if you're legit a doctor I am claiming next post lol.

this is the quote

[midwaybear]

he probably docced someone else then because I remember him mentioing he didn't want ti reveal certain things.

[midwaybear]

no i was trying to protect kanna
im not the real doc

[midwaybear]

I do not know how the kill was blocked
Yes

Isn't this a contradiction?

[midwaybear]

ok you wanna elaborate on that @midway

It was a pretty stupid idea, but apparently raven believed I was the real doc? I guess this gives her some town points.

[midwaybear]

yes

[midwaybear]

Maybe we should think why tux and Nahdia decided to claim together instead of claiming to be partnered with Lilith and starbuck. I feel like that sorta supports the 9/4 setup theory.

[midwaybear]

If there was a lone mafia and lone VT, there would have to be a third loner.

[midwaybear]

I am a werewolf lone wolf.

[midwaybear]

Dang, how is this town so stacked?
pedit: that's not a compliment lol

[midwaybear]

I don’t believe both Dru and Dunn are investigative

she's technically a backup

[midwaybear]

But I thought the werewolves are the good guys, so it does not make sense for them to turn into mafiosos.

[midwaybear]

Bruh what’s my role then? Like if I am a plague giver, nothing has really happened out of the ordinary except for the no-kill.

[midwaybear]

I agree with clover that the day needs to end in a drusilla or even beeboy hang because it seems like beeboy is deathtunneled. They both are slots we need to sort out. I do like the current towncore.

[midwaybear]

It’s unfortunate that we don’t know when we are in lylo or mylo this game. I feel like we need to get beeboy or drusilla sooner than later because of this.

[midwaybear]

Well if drusilla is town, she can watch dunnstral

[midwaybear]

[midwaybear]

Bruh she was already hammered right.

[midwaybear]

tonight is night 4

[midwaybear]

is that an option this game?

[midwaybear]

what's scummy about me not giving reads? I'm not really sure who the mafia are tbh, but maybe I will have a revalation.

[midwaybear]

just check beeboy, but you're probably dead.
beeboy, what's your role?

[midwaybear]

how do you know people are telling the truth about their roles?

[midwaybear]

no, I am a werewolf lone wolf.

[midwaybear]

It wasn't me who came up with the role name.

[midwaybear]

I guess it's townie that skitter is still trying to solve the game after hammer, so that's one read.

[midwaybear]

I guess it's townie that skitter is still trying to solve the game after hammer, so that's one read.

[midwaybear]

i don't think beeboy is a VT