New Rule: Replace the Word "Lynch" in Games

[DkKoba]

define fascism

[Tatsuya Kaname]

I have no objections to the change, actually appreciate it, and went on to change my terms in the rules to inflict the change, and also changed any terms associated with death because I think it's the right time to.

[DkKoba]

also - i realized that... eliminate can be shortened down to 'mate/'mated and I'm not Team Eliminate because that does sound cool.

[vonflare]

Executed is objectively the better flavor

[Bingle]

Here are the ones I suggested backstage but because mods are fascists none of my suggestions were used

asked politely to leave
escorted out by a gaggle of sweaty, pink-faced mall cops
removed during the night by the Lord due to not having marked their door with ewe's blood
carried off by a swarm of genetically modified locust/George Costanza hybrids
burninate

and of course the best one

raptured

I used to think UT was cool, but then he didn't suggest murderlate despite having a hydra with Kuribo.

[Firebringer]

i think UT got that i was joking. but for those who didn't realize. I was joking calling UT a fascists.

while i am in heavy opposition to his stance on speech, I don't think he is a fascist. im shocked i have to clear tht up.

[Davsto]

define fascism

System of government categorized by extreme dictatorship.

hag.

[OkaPoka]

https://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Ythan]

i think UT got that i was joking. but for those who didn't realize. I was joking calling UT a fascists.

while i am in heavy opposition to his stance on speech, I don't think he is a fascist. im shocked i have to clear tht up.

I'm not sure anyone had that confused. I for one was literally commenting on the quality of your posts.

[Krazy]

For the in-person games I run, I've been using "Exile" for about 4 years. I think I've still used "lynch" on ms only due to apathy even though I didn't even like it as flavor, I like exile more since it implies people who are wrongfully exiled might come back if the town wins or otherwise might explain why the game is informed there's a mafia in future games before any deaths occur. my 2 cents

[Firebringer]

i think UT got that i was joking. but for those who didn't realize. I was joking calling UT a fascists.

while i am in heavy opposition to his stance on speech, I don't think he is a fascist. im shocked i have to clear tht up.

I'm not sure anyone had that confused. I for one was literally commenting on the quality of your posts.

my quality was never good tho

[Untrod Tripod]

i think UT got that i was joking. but for those who didn't realize. I was joking calling UT a fascists.

while i am in heavy opposition to his stance on speech, I don't think he is a fascist. im shocked i have to clear tht up.

yes.

I used to be gung-ho radical free speech etc because I'm a left-wing libertarian type but years of moderating a web forum has taught me that in a communal space you've gotta have *some* rules about racist/sexist language. there's people out there who like to use racist/sexist language to make other people feel bad because that makes them feel good or just because they get a kick out of rustling jimmies. you don't lose anything really by disallowing racism, but you do lose the voices of people who will just avoid the space due to discomfort. I'd rather have the 9 people who would just avoid conflict than the 1 person who loves to hurt people.

[Ythan]

i think UT got that i was joking. but for those who didn't realize. I was joking calling UT a fascists.

while i am in heavy opposition to his stance on speech, I don't think he is a fascist. im shocked i have to clear tht up.

I'm not sure anyone had that confused. I for one was literally commenting on the quality of your posts.

my quality was never good tho

Agree to disagree!

[Hoopla]

speaking as an outsider to the dominant cultural hegemony that americans on the internet try to impose everywhere - it seems absurd to remove a term so intrinsically interwoven with site culture when it isn't being used in a racially motivated way.

i see our ability to roleplay a town swept up with lynching and mob justice, not take it personally, and come out better friends because of it a positive expression of a potentially loaded concept. i like that we have the ability to use such terms in a nuanced way. i like that we are savvy enough to fantasise about murdering one another for weeks at a time, and know it is all a show. we are a small, tightknit community trained in reading the intent of people's motivations. surely we can see when someone is using the term in a racially charged way?

people may say the word is intrinsically racist. in many parts of the world, and in many contexts it isn't. i share similar sentiments expressed here by ABR.

don't construe this post as an act of dissidence. i know i am speaking on american soil here and intend to go along with the new norms. i trust that our wise overlords have their fingers on the pulse. all hail our glorious modteam, purveyors of justice, slayers of words!

[Ircher]

For the in-person games I run, I've been using "Exile" for about 4 years. I think I've still used "lynch" on ms only due to apathy even though I didn't even like it as flavor, I like exile more since it implies people who are wrongfully exiled might come back if the town wins or otherwise might explain why the game is informed there's a mafia in future games before any deaths occur. my 2 cents

This is a good one too.

I was also thinking that maybe "convict" would be appropriate. As in maybe this is kinda like a court trial during the day.

[Porkens]

El-1

[Porkens]

Edit: Ehh this post doesn’t add anything

[Radical Rat]

I mean, I do feel like the change is unnecessary, we're (mostly) all reasonable people here who understand that we're not actually using the word Lynch in a manner meant to evoke racism, but at the end of the day, it's just a word and it isn't that big a deal to switch to something else.

[AniX]

speaking as an outsider to the dominant cultural hegemony that americans on the internet try to impose everywhere - it seems absurd to remove a term so intrinsically interwoven with site culture when it isn't being used in a racially motivated way.

i see our ability to roleplay a town swept up with lynching and mob justice, not take it personally, and come out better friends because of it a positive expression of a potentially loaded concept. i like that we have the ability to use such terms in a nuanced way. i like that we are savvy enough to fantasise about murdering one another for weeks at a time, and know it is all a show. we are a small, tightknit community trained in reading the intent of people's motivations. surely we can see when someone is using the term in a racially charged way?

people may say the word is intrinsically racist. in many parts of the world, and in many contexts it isn't. i share similar sentiments expressed here by ABR.

don't construe this post as an act of dissidence. i know i am speaking on american soil here and intend to go along with the new norms. i trust that our wise overlords have their fingers on the pulse. all hail our glorious modteam, purveyors of justice, slayers of words!

I mean, I do feel like the change is unnecessary, we're (mostly) all reasonable people here who understand that we're not actually using the word Lynch in a manner meant to evoke racism, but at the end of the day, it's just a word and it isn't that big a deal to switch to something else.

I don't think the mods are suggesting people on mafiascum are using lynch in a secret-racist way and using the non-racial definition as cover to do so, and the mod move here is to stop them in their tracks.

I think it is more that outsiders or people joining the site will see it and think less of the site and less of the people on it. This is a great community with great people and the simple fact is that I often simply do not feel comfortable recommending this site to people who I know will enjoy it. Because for a lot of people, especially people who might be new to mafia/played it in a different format (werewolf, Town of Salem, etc.) signing onto a site and seeing a giant noose in the logo and lynch thrown around liberally is not going to make them go "Oh, this is just their own little quirk, let me stick around and acclimate to it so it doesn't bother me anymore". It is going to make them go "What the fuck creepy ass site is this that has a noose in the logo and is obsessed with lynching people in the year 2020" and I do not want my IRL reputation burned by having them come to the site and thinking less of me for it. I love mafiascum, obviously, I've been here for nearly 20 years. I just beg for the day I can talk about it without feeling the need to go "Ok, so, before I tell you the site you have to understand they aren't racist, the lynching and the noose is just an aesthetic of the game."

It is ultimately about creating the best version of site culture. Creating an atmosphere that is as welcoming as possible and makes the least amount of people uncomfortable as possible on an extremely valid topic as "being concerned about racial lynching" is, to me, the most important element and removing lynching as one of our most frequent terms is a extremely inadequate first step but it is a necessary first step.

[Alisae]

VOTE: No Lynch

VOTE: end day

[Alisae]

VOTE: No Lynch

VOTE: end day

[Ythan]

VOTE: No Lynch

VOTE: end day

Ambiguous.

[Alisae]

VOTE: No Lynch

VOTE: end day

Ambiguous.

I disagree

[chamber]

you have to understand they aren't racist

This thread wants to prove you wrong.