Dance of the Title Thread: Resurgence in wild?

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Post Post #2375 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:29 pm

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In post 2372, northsidegal wrote: i want to say that "LyLo and Behold" is really the only variant of the title that really works. replacing lylo with elo or another variation doesn't seem very forward thinking because there isn't really a consensus replacement term and so it just ends up not making sense if a different term than the one we use is what becomes commonplace.
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Post Post #2376 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:31 pm

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In post 2370, Alisae wrote:nth
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Post Post #2377 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:32 pm

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In post 2375, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 2372, northsidegal wrote: i want to say that "LyLo and Behold" is really the only variant of the title that really works. replacing lylo with elo or another variation doesn't seem very forward thinking because there isn't really a consensus replacement term and so it just ends up not making sense if a different term than the one we use is what becomes commonplace.
ELo

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when i say "consensus replacement term" i mean more "commonplace" than "official"
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Post Post #2378 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:33 pm

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In post 2373, Ariel wrote:I think medium pharma is a lower quality title than shot count and it references a petty insult from a newly permabanned user. I guess it being a reference to Discussion-related stuff is more representative of how Equinox interacts with the site now. I would be sad to see Shot Count go but medium pharma is kinda funny at least
Despite being a medium pharma supporter, I agree that Shot Count is stronger. But I want Equinox to get to make the decision.
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Post Post #2379 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:47 pm

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In post 2377, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2375, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 2372, northsidegal wrote: i want to say that "LyLo and Behold" is really the only variant of the title that really works. replacing lylo with elo or another variation doesn't seem very forward thinking because there isn't really a consensus replacement term and so it just ends up not making sense if a different term than the one we use is what becomes commonplace.
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when i say "consensus replacement term" i mean more "commonplace" than "official"
That's fine and I understand. This change only happened what, 3 days ago now?

But in order to change mindsets and if not have another term replace it, make that term less commonplace, we need to stop using it as much as possible.

We like to meme a lot about how "Tiny Text under the username" is "JUST SO IMPORTANT!!!" and I just want to remind you that it is still a large part of site culture and therefore effects people's views of this place and the acceptability of certain terms.

If we make a new title with "LyLo" in it now, we are regressing or stagnating and propagating a hateful culture, even if unintended.

This should not be considered for a title ever again, and I think mastina should go through the titles which have been given and systematically remove all titles with "Lynch" "LyLo" and any other terms that could incite hatred or imply hate speech, racism, etc.

This is our time to make a change. Don't fuck it up for some tiny text under a username.
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Post Post #2380 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:47 pm

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In post 2378, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 2373, Ariel wrote:I think medium pharma is a lower quality title than shot count and it references a petty insult from a newly permabanned user. I guess it being a reference to Discussion-related stuff is more representative of how Equinox interacts with the site now. I would be sad to see Shot Count go but medium pharma is kinda funny at least
Despite being a medium pharma supporter, I agree that Shot Count is stronger. But I want Equinox to get to make the decision.
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Post Post #2381 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:02 pm

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In post 2328, Errantparabola wrote:I'm like kind of working off the mediumly strong belief that schadd will literally like the word "pukebox"
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Post Post #2382 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:17 pm

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In post 2379, Aristophanes wrote:I think mastina should go through the titles which have been given and systematically remove all titles with "Lynch" "LyLo" and any other terms that could incite hatred or imply hate speech, racism, etc.
And before anyone says I am exaggerating says "We would surely know better than to put "Lynch" in a title"

I present to you:
Someone - "Well, we gotta lynch Someone"
Nai - "Lyncher of the Dead"

And while I'm on a tear...
Frozen Atlantic - "Not a flavor whore" Can we use "whore" in a title like this still?
pickemgenius - "Jack the Tripper" Is referencing a rapist alright!?
Cyberbob - "Jrammar Nazi" I mean, I'm not a fan of Grammar Nazi as it is anymore because it somewhat minimizes the Nazis atrocities.
Charles Davis - "NON-NAZI" And this one might get a pass because it is, I can only assume, about them literally dunking on Nazism? But I don't know that. And it seems like a parody. And a parody of a non-Nazi is potentially a Nazi and I don't think I'm okay with that.

And if I'm being really pedantic,
Luna - "Goth Limey Chick" "limey" is derogatory. Whether they chose to don this title or not.

Like, we uphold Avatars and Signatures to a higher standard. This is, to my understanding, partially because they are main profile areas and prevalent in all posts a user makes. Should we not hold Titles to the same standard, as they penetrate the site as equally and are User Voted?

I get it, I'm being over the top and some of these are users who haven't posted in years. But I think it is time we made proper changes and disallowed this type of language from our titles.
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Post Post #2383 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:35 pm

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In post 2377, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2375, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 2372, northsidegal wrote: i want to say that "LyLo and Behold" is really the only variant of the title that really works. replacing lylo with elo or another variation doesn't seem very forward thinking because there isn't really a consensus replacement term and so it just ends up not making sense if a different term than the one we use is what becomes commonplace.
ELo

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when i say "consensus replacement term" i mean more "commonplace" than "official"
Yeah, there definitely hasn't been a community consensus yet (my crusade to make "Cancel" our new vernacular marches ever on).

I still like
ELo and Behold
though because A.) it fits the "official" vernacular, and B.) ELO is already a thing independent of all this.
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Post Post #2384 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:57 pm

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In post 2382, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 2379, Aristophanes wrote:I think mastina should go through the titles which have been given and systematically remove all titles with "Lynch" "LyLo" and any other terms that could incite hatred or imply hate speech, racism, etc.
And before anyone says I am exaggerating says "We would surely know better than to put "Lynch" in a title"

I present to you:
Someone - "Well, we gotta lynch Someone"
Nai - "Lyncher of the Dead"

And while I'm on a tear...
Frozen Atlantic - "Not a flavor whore" Can we use "whore" in a title like this still?
pickemgenius - "Jack the Tripper" Is referencing a rapist alright!?
Cyberbob - "Jrammar Nazi" I mean, I'm not a fan of Grammar Nazi as it is anymore because it somewhat minimizes the Nazis atrocities.
Charles Davis - "NON-NAZI" And this one might get a pass because it is, I can only assume, about them literally dunking on Nazism? But I don't know that. And it seems like a parody. And a parody of a non-Nazi is potentially a Nazi and I don't think I'm okay with that.

And if I'm being really pedantic,
Luna - "Goth Limey Chick" "limey" is derogatory. Whether they chose to don this title or not.

Like, we uphold Avatars and Signatures to a higher standard. This is, to my understanding, partially because they are main profile areas and prevalent in all posts a user makes. Should we not hold Titles to the same standard, as they penetrate the site as equally and are User Voted?

I get it, I'm being over the top and some of these are users who haven't posted in years. But I think it is time we made proper changes and disallowed this type of language from our titles.
I can't tell if this is a joke post or not. who would think the term 'grammar nazi' or a reference to jack the ripper in a title in a game where serial killer is the name of a role is 'problematic'
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Post Post #2385 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:00 pm

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In post 2384, vonflare wrote:I can't tell if this is a joke post or not. who would think the term 'grammar nazi' or a reference to jack the ripper in a title in a game where serial killer is the name of a role is 'problematic'
It's not a joke post.

Would you like to discuss them? Because I am happy to engage.
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Post Post #2386 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:30 pm

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idc man i just think it's unnecessary

plus it would be difficult to obtain the account owner's consent to change their title seeing as most of the people you listed have left the site, and I think just blanking their title does a disservice to whatever they did while onsite to earn it
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Post Post #2387 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:39 pm

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No worries, I respect your choice to disengage.

I think leaving the titles up does a worse disservice to the site though, and that they should be PM'd about the change in policy which led to their title being stripped.

Like, if they were to return one day, I would not want the titles flashed around. They do not jive with the site's image, nor are they acceptable any longer.

They should remain in the thread where they were granted. Much like confederate statues in museum lockers. They are no longer okay to have displayed and we hopefully make the choice to remove them.
It's a crude comparison, but rather apt I think. We take down statues of Columbus, Robert E Lee, etc because they are no longer acceptable despite it "disrespecting their memory and our heritage."
No, these users did nothing wrong in donning these titles at the time, but they are no longer okay and need to be removed. Simple as that.
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Post Post #2388 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:46 pm

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could just change them to eliminate
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Post Post #2389 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:49 pm

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Post Post #2390 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:50 pm

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specifically in the case of lynch usage but okay
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Post Post #2391 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:54 pm

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In post 2388, Cheetory6 wrote:could just change them to eliminate
That is also an option and I may have gone too deep in pulling up the rest. I think the conversation needs to happen around them too though.

Replacing with "eliminate" is definitely a viable solution for the first two.
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Post Post #2392 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:19 pm

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I'll happily accept the Alternatively tittle! I feel like that fits me super well.
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I should make a new alt to celebrate...just kidding!

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Post Post #2394 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:42 pm

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Make an alt called Alternatively and I'll nom "MariaR" as a title for it
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In post 2387, Aristophanes wrote:No worries, I respect your choice to disengage.

I think leaving the titles up does a worse disservice to the site though, and that they should be PM'd about the change in policy which led to their title being stripped.

Like, if they were to return one day, I would not want the titles flashed around. They do not jive with the site's image, nor are they acceptable any longer.

They should remain in the thread where they were granted. Much like confederate statues in museum lockers. They are no longer okay to have displayed and we hopefully make the choice to remove them.
It's a crude comparison, but rather apt I think. We take down statues of Columbus, Robert E Lee, etc because they are no longer acceptable despite it "disrespecting their memory and our heritage."
No, these users did nothing wrong in donning these titles at the time, but they are no longer okay and need to be removed. Simple as that.
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Post Post #2396 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:49 pm

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In post 2386, vonflare wrote:idc man i just think it's unnecessary

plus it would be difficult to obtain the account owner's consent to change their title seeing as most of the people you listed have left the site, and I think just blanking their title does a disservice to whatever they did while onsite to earn it
This is silly. I'm not going to choose which old titles are problematic now, but for the ones that are, blanking them isn't doing a disservice to anyone or anything.
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Post Post #2397 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:10 pm

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All 9f those besides peg and nai seem okay to get rid of w/o worry, tbh. Peg we can just give a new title.
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Post Post #2398 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:14 pm

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In post 2397, PJ. wrote:All 9f those besides peg and nai seem okay to get rid of w/o worry, tbh. Peg we can just give a new title.
FACE? Or some other reference as that’s all peg comes on to post about
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Post Post #2399 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:44 pm

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I hear skitter is mainly good in F3's if you want the name of something that's not in flux? I know you have to figure out a rhyme or whatever
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