Open 88 - Polygamist Mafia (Game Over) before 650

[Caboose]

Vote: Zoolander

With everyone else getting a vote, I didn't want anyone to feel left out.

[Caboose]

I think Zoolander needs to share the wealth here.

Unvote
Vote: Goatrevolt

[Caboose]

I've never played in this kind of setup before, so I really don't know if a mass claim is best. I'd go along with the majority.

[Caboose]

I am lovers with Farside22.

Next is The Pope's Tiara.

[Caboose]

I think Jebus was the main one to suggest random voting now as opposed to scum hunting. Interesting he/she proposes it, defends it twice, defends a third time but gives in that "random lynch anyone but me" as factoring into the odds, and now asks to be replaced.

Jebus is opposed on this issue by multiple people but stands by the theory and that seems pro-town not being afraid to stick out of the fray and being called wrong.

Then again, the timing of this replacement request is right after losing an argument vs. the group and getting FoS'ed. To me the defense under pressure outweighs the replacement timing and the fact that the random lynch was a bad idea.

I do not agree with you here, Jahudo. Jebus suggested random lynching on page 3 (or page 2, I am not sure). This would provide the town with little to no information, and would force us into a lylo minus anything from Day 1 to go on. This is not pro-town imo, and continuing to defend the idea does not change this opinion. To me, the defense of a detrimental suggestion to the town continues to stand out. Anyone can defend a posistion, but that does not necessarily provide indication that they are town or not.

I can't help but also notice that this is the second time you have provided a defensive explanation of Jebus' actions, Jahudo, which is interesting.

^ I agree.

I don't think that a random lynch is a good idea here. Random lynching isn't really what mafia is about. Given the pros and cons that Goatrevolt gave us, I think that the cons definitely outweigh the pros.

As for the Jebus thing, I think that the behavior and the defense by Jahudo is suspicious, but not enough to warrant my vote yet.

[Caboose]

Sorry about the inactivity guys. I just had an RL issue come up. Give me some time to read please.

[Caboose]

Before I say anything, I'm pulling my joke vote.

Unvote: Goatrevolt

[Caboose]

paraphrased quicktopic thread:

xtox opens thread

Jebus: We should random lynch someone since we only have to kill one scum to win and there is no night phase. Day 1 our chances are 2/5, and day 2 wit will be 3/5, so overal it will be 50/50. I will introduce the idea. We should roleclaim early.

3jf: early roleclaim will just make us a target. We should random lynch though.

3jf: Also we should vote for somebody different every two days to avoid suspicion.

Day 1 you should fos, and then I'll vote for them.

Day 2 we both pick separate people scummy people

Jebus: It is a plan then. I'll go after kloud

xtoxm closes thread

That summary doesn't do anything to convince me that you're pro-town; in fact, it does the opposite.

Randomly lynching is not a good idea, and it really takes away the element that makes mafia fun.

First bolded part: Why would you worry about that too much, unless you're scum?
Second bolded part: That sounds more like what scum would do.
Third bolded part: That also sounds more like what scum would do.

Oh yeah, and when I was popcorning back on page 2, I forgot that the Pope's Tiara had already claimed.

[Caboose]

I don't know if paraphrased chats should factor in much or at all, but it does sound like two typical newbies to me.

Newbie town or scum?

I think that townies would be more worried about finding scum than avoiding suspicion themselves.

Or is that just me?

[Caboose]

I think that townies would be more worried about finding scum than avoiding suspicion themselves.

I agree. Most other I people I have discussed that with do.

I kind of suspect that thier understanding of the setup was so incompleat that they (both of them) thought that as lovers they needed to avoid being suspected of being lovers.

Can 3fj shed some light on this?

That doesn't add up to me.

Vote: Adel

[Caboose]

*bump*

[Caboose]

I'm here. Sorry, had a comp. problems.

[Caboose]

Sorry xtomx.

I will be active again, though.

Reading back, I feel comfortable with my vote for Adel.

[Caboose]

And armlx, at post 273 you say something about a comment. Can we hear it now or does it still have to wait?

I think Emp responded, but I wanted to say that not pro-town != scummy always.

Jahudo has been waffling on Adel/Jebus all game. Me no like. Supports the Caboose + Adel team theory.

Vote Adel

as I said post diagram.

Are you pushing for a mislynch of Farside and I? It looks like you and E.King are trying to push for my mislynch Day 2. I didn't have access to the site between the times I posted and you try to make the argument that I'm lurking. Please explain. Also, why is GoatRevolt keeping his joke vote on me nearing the end of D1?

I think Adel has made some good points since I last posted, like the one that Farside quoted.

With three days to go until deadline ti is looking like my odds for survival are slim.

This is a setup that sharply penalized towns that go for the lazy day 1 lynch.

I really hope that all townies give some thought to the posts I've made since the diagram I posted. The reason I kept on asking who could possibly be scum with me was because, as I see it, each other townie couple should be able to conclude that there is one and only one other couple that I could possibly be scum with. By lynching that couple, my townieness could be confirmed. I was hoping for some clear thinking and good posting by other townies, but that isn't happening. I do not like the shift from Empking to armlx, but I am supporting the armlx lynch because he is not me. Empking is not an "easy mislynch" and my opinion of his alignment is not based off of the formatt he uses to make his posts. At this point, that seems to be splitting hairs, when the majority of the town seems to be unaware that my wagon is leading to a pretty obvious mislynch.

Bussing in this game is suicide, and Empking placed me at lynch -1 without anyone doing anything to defend Mana_Ku and me.

It is horribly ironic that the townies on my wagon are making the same mistake that Jebus made: not understanding the set-up.

Even though I know I will get flak for this, I'm going to do what I think is right.

Unvote
Vote: armlx

@ Farside: please do the same

[Caboose]

The lack of proof for, is all the proof I need.

Caboose and Farside are your (most likely IMO) partners.

It depends on who is lynched today, who I'll look into tomorrow (if their is a tomorrow)

The fact that your trying to set Farside and I up for a mislynch tomorrow is all the proof I need.

[Caboose]

The lack of proof for, is all the proof I need.

Caboose and Farside are your (most likely IMO) partners.

It depends on who is lynched today, who I'll look into tomorrow (if their is a tomorrow)

The fact that

your

trying to set Farside and I up for a mislynch tomorrow is all the proof I need.

EBWOP:

That should be "you're"

[Caboose]

However, the argument that no single group makes sense as scum with Adel/Mana_Ku is very strong and makes it seem pretty clear that Adel/Mana are town.

I agree with goatrevolt here.

Caboose and Farside are your (most likely IMO) partners.

Would you like to expand this arguement?

[Caboose]

What exactly are we arguing about?

[Caboose]

Only Caboose was voting for Adel out of the two. Caboose only returned to the thread, when an unvote would be bad fror the four of them.

What do you mean by this? Please elucidate.

[Caboose]

Only you were voting for Adel out of you and Farside. You stopped posting then when you returned you couldn't unvote because then Adel would've been lynched.

How does that make any sense?

[Caboose]

Only you were voting for Adel out of you and Farside. You stopped posting then when you returned you couldn't unvote because then Adel would've been lynched.

How does that make any sense?

I don't know, you're the one that doesn't understand it.

How was Adel going to get lynched if I unvoted?

[Caboose]

Only you were voting for Adel out of you and Farside. You stopped posting then when you returned you couldn't unvote because then Adel would've been lynched.

How does that make any sense?

I don't know, you're the one that doesn't understand it.

How was Adel going to get lynched if I unvoted?

Because his argument would've been ruined if you unvoted.

I don't think that Adel's argument relied on the fact that I had a vote on him.

[Caboose]

Does Empking mean the argument that every lover pair had one vote on him?

If a lover pair has both members out of the wagon, they must be the other scum backing away? But since everyone knows this Caboose doesn't want to be the first to unvote because then everyone will make the connection and kill them anyway?

But if no one was the first to unvote, the lynch would happen anyway given the majority rules deadline. It's win-win for the town then, I guess. Unless Adel wasn't scum.

That could be a good argument... if I was indeed a lurker.

But I'm not, so the argument doesn't have legs.

[Caboose]

vote Adel

I am not sure of Adel's alignment, and I am leaning towards him being pro-town.

Then why did you just vote him?

I am also interested in the answer to this question.

[Caboose]

vote: farside

read up and post lots, please.

Why the vote, Adel?

[Caboose]

vote: farside

read up and post lots, please.

Especially as I defended you. Nice

You knew I was town, and refused to vote for your scumbuddy armlx.

Huh? What are you talking about? This is a very strange turn of events.

(btw, I'm 2-0 as town in Polygamist games now)

So WHAT!?
So we should automatically just assume that what you're saying is true?

That pisses me off.

[Caboose]

If I wasn't an especially strong player, I would be dead right now.

(btw, I'm 2-0 as town in Polygamist games now)

I don't like these two posts. I think that you're trying to make the "I'm-too-valuable-of-a-player-to-lynch" arguement. But please correct me if I am mistaken.

You knew I was town, and refused to vote for your scumbuddy armlx.

I was the last vote on armlx. It could have possibly been the lynching vote if everyone hadn't flooded over to the CK bandwagon.

Now, make the arguement that I'm his scumbuddy.

Looks like you are going after an easy target.

I couldn't agree more. Somebody Day 1 said that I would be their back-up vote if they had one. You couldn't go after me since that would be too obvious that you're going for an easy target, so you go after my lover.

Vote: Adel

[Caboose]

And what's up with all these 'you're going after an easy target', 'I'm not an easy target that's why you go after my lover' and 'I'm an easy vote'?

I say that because everyone assumes that I was lurking for most of day one. Check my post record. There's a window from August 24 to Sept. 2 where I couldn't access the site altogether. That blows the lurking theory.

...I don't like the reason given for the armlx vote.

Say, what?

Tell me

with a straight face

that I would put my alleged scumbuddy in lynching position

24 hours

before deadline.

[Caboose]

I think I said I wanmted Caboose to claim, not Armix.

They said Football but I think they meant American football.

Alright.

I pretty much made it clear that I didn't know what I was doing since I never played in this set up before and Farside told me to look out for people who vote in clusters.

That's pretty much all I remember of it.

[Caboose]

Sorry everybody. I kind of forgot about this game for a while.

I feel kind of embarressed because I didn't keep my link. May the mod please PM me the link to my quicktopic. Thanks in advance.

[Caboose]

I kind of forgot about this game for a while. Sorry.

Because I see four votes on farside, one from each pair. Which means that if farside was town, scum could have finished her off. But that has not happened. Which leads me to believe that farside is scum.

That's WIFOM. You could make the argument that the scum could be avoiding to appear that they are trying for a Farside quicklynch.

P.S. - bandwagon voting isn't a scumtell

[Caboose]

I had a vote on Adel earlier. Not sure what happened to it, but I haven't changed my mind, especially considering that last post from SweatpantsNinja.

Vote: TheSweatpantsNinja

[Caboose]

Does anyone besides me think that it's pretty scummy that SweatpantsNinja is even making that arguement in the first place? I personally think that it's WIFOM because scum could use the quicklynch arguement in order to give themselves more credibility while they slowly add votes to Farside.

[Caboose]

WIFOM? Seriously, caboose, that's what you've got? What you're suggesting is that scum are refusing to

win the game

immediately, to make it easier to win the game later. Now farside's argument is at least feasible, scum may simply have not had a chance to to quickhammer.

The longer those votes stay, though, the less feasible that argument is going to get.

Yes, that is what I've got. It seems like it's valid too:

Just looked at Jenthron and Kloud's profile. Kloud has been around posting elsewhere since his last post on this game. Jenthron's computer went down it seems and has not posted since the 23rd. So if Kloud votes does the fact that no one quick hammer look less scummy knowing one player is out of commision?

Makes it harder for the scum to do a quick hammer if one of there own are MIA.

Like I said I experience this myself in Poly game where Grimmy went MIA as well so right now the idea of scum hammering looks WIFOM to me based on the two low contributers.

[Caboose]

LOL. kloud just pretty much proved Farside's point.

Now, say, this is WIFOM:

Tell me with a straight face that I would put my alleged scumbuddy in lynching position 24 hours before deadline.

Not WIFOM at all. I'm saying that I wouldn't put the lynching vote on my scumbuddy with 24 hours to go before deadline in this kind of set-up, where scum bussing is suicide. If I was scum, that move would be pretty dicey, don't you think?

[Caboose]

They can't win the game immediately if one of their scumbuddies is inactive.