Mini 2150 - Anime SeiyuU-Pick [SHOW'S OVER!]

[Battle Mage]

Oh, and HEAL: Deimos
We win these.

You can't heal yourself dude. You do me, I do you.

HEAL: Deimos

[Battle Mage]

Vote mastina w/ me.
We win these.

what happens if we eliminate before the audition is over?

VOTE: Mastina

There's pretty strong townbloc potential here. I'm looking at TTJT, Panzerjager and TrueSoulEnergy.

[Battle Mage]

As long as I'm HEAL: Holden
I'm VOTE: Golden
I'm voting and healing Holden Golden just to be clear.

No heal for The Master? No townbloc for you!

[Battle Mage]

As long as I'm HEAL: Holden
I'm VOTE: Golden
I'm voting and healing Holden Golden just to be clear.

No heal for The Master? No townbloc for you!

I did consider healing Deimos.

HURT: Tuxedo Mask

[Battle Mage]

I probably shouldve read the rules before doing that, no idea if it actually does something in this game

[Battle Mage]

I have a 100% accurate completely infallible pregame scumtell on mastina.
A vote for mastina is a vote for our future.

yeah but a vote for Tux is a vote for vengeance...

[Battle Mage]

Full disclaimer, will actively contribute to this as much as possible. Dropped another game because I had to pick between them but will be less active than I normally am for a week or so.


VOTE: battlemage

I remember you.

this is a scummy intro. I see lots of words and excuses. It reads "Please don't vote for me for lurking"

VOTE: Mikul

Also you only remember me because I had you completely nailed in our last game.

which you won

[Battle Mage]

Full disclaimer, will actively contribute to this as much as possible. Dropped another game because I had to pick between them but will be less active than I normally am for a week or so.


VOTE: battlemage

I remember you.

this is a scummy intro. I see lots of words and excuses. It reads "Please don't vote for me for lurking"

VOTE: Mikul

Also you only remember me because I had you completely nailed in our last game.

which you won

You can go see that I asked to be replaced in the other game if you want. I signed up with this ages ago and didn't want to ask to be replaced because of how much work the mod put into it

But yes I will be "lurking for a bit"

Corona virus restrictions lifted more locally so playing catch up at work. Take that as you will

You misunderstand me grasshopper. I'm not questionning the validity of your excuse, I'm saying that you really didn't need to make it. This isn't gonna be a quick day, I don't think you being quiet for a week would have made any difference.

Yo Deimos, I've got one!

[Battle Mage]

Also you only remember me because I had you completely nailed in our last game.

And failed to convince anyone quite miserably

it's not my fault you killed me, and some townie replaced in running a gambit of "how can I make my slot look as scummy as possible".

I would have eaten you for lunch, and toast for breakfast.

[Battle Mage]

You no like wagonz, Mikul?

I hate rvs in general, much less random wagons when they solve nothing during rvs

you could self-vote then if you don't want to commit? confessions always welcome

[Battle Mage]

Full disclaimer, will actively contribute to this as much as possible. Dropped another game because I had to pick between them but will be less active than I normally am for a week or so.


VOTE: battlemage

I remember you.

this is a scummy intro. I see lots of words and excuses. It reads "Please don't vote for me for lurking"

VOTE: Mikul

Also you only remember me because I had you completely nailed in our last game.

which you won

You can go see that I asked to be replaced in the other game if you want. I signed up with this ages ago and didn't want to ask to be replaced because of how much work the mod put into it

But yes I will be "lurking for a bit"

Corona virus restrictions lifted more locally so playing catch up at work. Take that as you will

You misunderstand me grasshopper. I'm not questionning the validity of your excuse, I'm saying that you really didn't need to make it. This isn't gonna be a quick day, I don't think you being quiet for a week would have made any difference.

Yo Deimos, I've got one!

No I quite need to make it. I typically post vomit and am insanely active. If scum is looking at my past games and makes the argument for lurking and innactivity when I never am in other games, it could be compelling.

Better to preface it early

why are you not healing me?

[Battle Mage]

btw Deimos

Spoiler:

I'm the master

[Battle Mage]

You no like wagonz, Mikul?

I hate rvs in general, much less random wagons when they solve nothing during rvs

you could self-vote then if you don't want to commit? confessions always welcome

It's the principal behind RVs. I hate dp1. That will never change. I understand why it can be useful, I also understand why it can be entirely counterproductive to town

Since joining this site I've made an active effort to find value in it but I still loathe it

I can actually understand that. I find I'm a lot better at scumhunting if I stay quiet for the first part of Day 1. But it's less fun!

make me immortal

[Battle Mage]

Full disclaimer, will actively contribute to this as much as possible. Dropped another game because I had to pick between them but will be less active than I normally am for a week or so.


VOTE: battlemage

I remember you.

this is a scummy intro. I see lots of words and excuses. It reads "Please don't vote for me for lurking"

VOTE: Mikul

Also you only remember me because I had you completely nailed in our last game.

which you won

You can go see that I asked to be replaced in the other game if you want. I signed up with this ages ago and didn't want to ask to be replaced because of how much work the mod put into it

But yes I will be "lurking for a bit"

Corona virus restrictions lifted more locally so playing catch up at work. Take that as you will

You misunderstand me grasshopper. I'm not questionning the validity of your excuse, I'm saying that you really didn't need to make it. This isn't gonna be a quick day, I don't think you being quiet for a week would have made any difference.

Yo Deimos, I've got one!

No I quite need to make it. I typically post vomit and am insanely active. If scum is looking at my past games and makes the argument for lurking and innactivity when I never am in other games, it could be compelling.

Better to preface it early

why are you not healing me?

Why would I heal you.

might help town win innit

[Battle Mage]

Full disclaimer, will actively contribute to this as much as possible. Dropped another game because I had to pick between them but will be less active than I normally am for a week or so.


VOTE: battlemage

I remember you.

this is a scummy intro. I see lots of words and excuses. It reads "Please don't vote for me for lurking"

VOTE: Mikul

Also you only remember me because I had you completely nailed in our last game.

which you won

You can go see that I asked to be replaced in the other game if you want. I signed up with this ages ago and didn't want to ask to be replaced because of how much work the mod put into it

But yes I will be "lurking for a bit"

Corona virus restrictions lifted more locally so playing catch up at work. Take that as you will

You misunderstand me grasshopper. I'm not questionning the validity of your excuse, I'm saying that you really didn't need to make it. This isn't gonna be a quick day, I don't think you being quiet for a week would have made any difference.

Yo Deimos, I've got one!

No I quite need to make it. I typically post vomit and am insanely active. If scum is looking at my past games and makes the argument for lurking and innactivity when I never am in other games, it could be compelling.

Better to preface it early

why are you not healing me?

Why would I heal you.

might help town win innit

#nofaith

#iwrotethisscript

[Battle Mage]

To be perfectly honest I'm not even sure how to do that.
It's my first game using that feature. But I'll pick someone at some point

Is it in the options like vote ?

nah just use the tags me and Deimos used.

also you jumped early with the honesty. Maybe I'm right again!

[Battle Mage]

I don't consider making the excuse particularly AI. I'm considering whether it's AI that there was no engagement with the page of game so far, apart from the excuse.

he's also pointedly ignoring my breadcrumbs and in one post, he was honest.

[Battle Mage]

oops, that was an unfortunate page topper. a lively start to this one!

[Battle Mage]

Since joining this site I've made an active effort to find value in it but I still loathe it

I mean
I don't consider solo wagoning a player like Battle Mage a particularly effective attempt at finding value

hang on....what do you mean by "a player like Battle Mage"?

[Battle Mage]

Since joining this site I've made an active effort to find value in it but I still loathe it

I mean
I don't consider solo wagoning a player like Battle Mage a particularly effective attempt at finding value

Tbf I don't typically like randomly voting at all but if I don't , I get scum read because i disagree with the meta.

That vote was just memeing and shade for fun if anything

do you ever get scumread for being overly worried about being scumread?

[Battle Mage]

I don't consider making the excuse particularly AI. I'm considering whether it's AI that there was no engagement with the page of game so far, apart from the excuse.

What is there to engage with ?

There is chest bumping saying you two are amazing at mafia and starting a random wagon

I'm not sure how you expect me to respond to that but I've explained why I disagree with it lol

Dude, we are amazing at mafia. you've seen my amazing reads first hand. if you're town, you'll follow the master.

[Battle Mage]

Since joining this site I've made an active effort to find value in it but I still loathe it

I mean
I don't consider solo wagoning a player like Battle Mage a particularly effective attempt at finding value

Tbf I don't typically like randomly voting at all but if I don't , I get scum read because i disagree with the meta.

That vote was just memeing and shade for fun if anything

do you ever get scumread for being overly worried about being scumread?

I get scumread for everything. I behave naturally scummy sadly

heal me or deimos, and all your sins will be forgiven.

[Battle Mage]

hello

hurt me or heal me

[Battle Mage]

I don't consider making the excuse particularly AI. I'm considering whether it's AI that there was no engagement with the page of game so far, apart from the excuse.

he's also pointedly ignoring my breadcrumbs and in one post, he was honest.

Well I'm also ignoring your breadcrumbs, mainly cause I don't know how to comment on them in a pro-town way.

i dont want you to comment, just to have read them.

[Battle Mage]

Well why do you want Mikul to comment then

i dont, i just want his heal.

[Battle Mage]

hello

hurt me or heal me

You can also heal me.
And I still recommend voting mastina, though Mikul is acceptable.

i'm fine with a Deimos-heal, although more keen to unlock my awesome power!

I almost think we have to keep mikul alive for the sake of activity.

[Battle Mage]

I can potentially clear 3 towns players or narrow down a scum into a group of three if I become Miss Seiyu U-pick.

that's it? you have my sympathy dude! now gimme your heal!

[Battle Mage]

hello

hurt me or heal me

You can also heal me.
And I still recommend voting mastina, though Mikul is acceptable.

i'm fine with a Deimos-heal, although more keen to unlock my awesome power!

I almost think we have to keep mikul alive for the sake of activity.

My power is better scrub.

Why are you concerned with activity this early in the game?

your power aint nothing compared to mine dude. i can make you famous

[Battle Mage]

Well why do you want Mikul to comment then

i dont, i just want his heal.

I don't see the point in yolo healing. Unless I'm misreading it, healing activates an audition role which everyone has. That would be including mafia. Maybe the roles are useless, maybe they are useful but is there anyway to know that just throwing that on someone who is not town could have negative consequences?

healing can have many facets. some ya know, some ya dont. some can have negative consequences. but heal me and everything will be fine!

[Battle Mage]

As long as I'm HEAL: Holden
I'm VOTE: Golden
I'm voting and healing Holden Golden just to be clear.

VOTE: Tuxedo
My first decree as future Miss Seiyu Upick 2020 is to pick out tuxedo fyi

Are you town? The answer to this question is very important, and I will know if you're lying.

I think I might just ignore that Mikul/BM/Demois stuff. Looked not fun or helpful.

the tldr version is, heal me.

if not healing me, heal deimos.

if not healing us, heal goldy

[Battle Mage]

Battle mage, I can make people disappear into dust. Make mountains into small pebbles. Water into steam all with the slightest of movements. The entire time line of this game is in my control.

That's before my audition.

I don't want no scrubs.

Pedit: No I'm onsite fan. Expect my seiyuu left the door opened and now I've become the very thing I adore. Would you like to play dangerously tuxedo?

This is my playhouse. You think you have some malevolent power, but you're just a pawn in my game. I'm the puppetmaster, and everyone's fate is in my strong, but slightly worn, hands. Reach out, and I'll secure your future.

[Battle Mage]

@mod

Vote count?

and maybe some prods - lots of people lurking.

[Battle Mage]

Also how do we do the bbcode for healing?

Pedit: Oh? Attempting to seduce me Hmm? What an unprecedented maneuver! Allow me to blow you and then reject you.

That's right. B L O W YOU.

Dont make me lock this thread right now over your terrible libido.

Why were you worried about the activity? I dont think you answered that.

Seduce you? I'm your creator, that would just be perverted. I don't want anybody to hide the shadows, while I struggle to find the light.

[Battle Mage]

@mod

Vote count?

and maybe some prods - lots of people lurking.

Testing my power

Lurking in the first 1 hour the game started 0.o. We post vomit equally. May as well enjoy the weekend while I have some time.

Battlemage

Will you dance with me

I thought you'd never ask! *swoons*

VOTE: panther and fox

[Battle Mage]

I need a yes or no

And trust me you don't want to not answer

that depends on what you're asking!

[Battle Mage]

Also how do we do the bbcode for healing?

Pedit: Oh? Attempting to seduce me Hmm? What an unprecedented maneuver! Allow me to blow you and then reject you.

That's right. B L O W YOU.

Dont make me lock this thread right now over your terrible libido.

Why were you worried about the activity? I dont think you answered that.

Seduce you? I'm your creator, that would just be Incredibley right. I don't want anybody to hide the shadows, while I struggle to find the light.

Though I admit you are right; I do concede I'm woefully inadequate compared to your vast power, Lord Miss Seiyu U-pick 2020

HEAL: Holden

Very good! I'm glad we now see eye to eye over who is the dominant lord.

I did laugh, but you still have a lot to learn grasshopper.

[Battle Mage]

I need a yes or no

And trust me you don't want to not answer

that depends on what you're asking!

Do you want to dance with me

Yes or no?

That'll be a resounding YES

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE: tuxedo
VOTE: Battle Mage

Serious vote. Broke jojoke code.

Serious OMGUS

VOTE: HoldenGolden

The hydra can wait

[Battle Mage]

I need a yes or no

And trust me you don't want to not answer

that depends on what you're asking!

Do you want to dance with me

Yes or no?

That'll be a resounding YES

Ty!

Activate

Ooh I'm excited!

[Battle Mage]

I need a yes or no

And trust me you don't want to not answer

that depends on what you're asking!

Do you want to dance with me

Yes or no?

That'll be a resounding YES

Ty!

Activate

Ooh I'm excited!

Itl get spicey.

I'm a vanilla now basically, but you will find out tomorrow whether it's good or bad

Heal Deimos. Pretend this is the proper don't. On my phone

UNVOTE:

what were you before you met me?

[Battle Mage]

Blowing my load for you on page 5. What a shame.

I thought I had you on Page 2.

[Battle Mage]

I need a yes or no

And trust me you don't want to not answer

that depends on what you're asking!

Do you want to dance with me

Yes or no?

That'll be a resounding YES

Ty!

Activate

Ooh I'm excited!

Itl get spicey.

I'm a vanilla now basically, but you will find out tomorrow whether it's good or bad

Heal Deimos. Pretend this is the proper don't. On my phone

UNVOTE:

what were you before you met me?

Ashamed

You can become fixed with a vote for HoldenGolden, the false messiah

[Battle Mage]

are sujimichi and replacement for sujimichi the same guy? the latter is posting everywhere right now...

[Battle Mage]

no need mate, just go HEAL: Battle Mage and everything will be ok

[Battle Mage]

peobably won't. healing me is actually correct.

you can't heal yourself though.

i'm starting to wonder if we should massclaim...

[Battle Mage]

Oh, and HEAL: Deimos
We win these.

I can get behind this.
HEAL: Deimos
(Deimos is town.)

Deimos, is this legit?

[Battle Mage]

As long as I'm HEAL: Holden
I'm VOTE: GoldenI'm voting and healing Holden Golden just to be clear.

No heal for The Master? No townbloc for you!

I did consider healing Deimos.

HURT: Tuxedo Mask

Mutual scum distancing.

VOTE: Tuxedo Mask

Then why vote me over BM?

VOTE: Mastina had your chance and blew it.

Yeah you tell her buddy!

VOTE: Mastina

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE: tuxedo
VOTE: Battle Mage
Serious vote. Broke jojoke code.

One vote is as good as the other!
VOTE: Battle Mage

outrageous OMGUS!

[Battle Mage]

Do Mason's function in the way they do in the noob games or do they recruit town and die if they hit scum?

The latter is called a masonizer.

so you're claiming mason, but not claiming who can confirm you...why?

[Battle Mage]

i dont even know why you're claiming mason anyway, but it would be an insane gambit from scum I guess

UNVOTE:

[Battle Mage]

hello

Second strong townread! (Mikul I lean town on but am not solidly townreading, Shiro's dead null so far. So.)

strong townread?

You will need to complete several qualifications before you can enrol at the BM School of Scumhunting.

[Battle Mage]

Deimos27

HoldenGolden
popopopopopopo

Mikul

TrueSoulEnergy
Shiro
TheThirteenthJT
Panther and Fox (HYDRA: ??? + ???)

Panzerjager
Sujimichi

Tuxedo Mask
Battle Mage

Locktown, strong town, lean town, null, nullscum, scum.

Just for clarity, you're claiming that you're masons with Deimos, who opened by voting for you? and your reads suck?

EBWOP: yes Mikul

[Battle Mage]

Deimos27

HoldenGolden
popopopopopopo

Mikul

TrueSoulEnergy
Shiro
TheThirteenthJT
Panther and Fox (HYDRA: ??? + ???)

Panzerjager
Sujimichi

Tuxedo Mask
Battle Mage

Locktown, strong town, lean town, null, nullscum, scum.

I can buy HoldenGolden and Deimos as town. Popopopopo, eh, not so much. Please try harder.

[Battle Mage]

i struggle to believe scum would fakeclaim mason early on Day 1 under no pressure. Not neighbour, but mason i.e. conftown.

but would be helpful to pin down the partner to verify.

[Battle Mage]

Deimos, is she masons with you?

[Battle Mage]

/Audition BM

Deimos is a Good Player.
I haven’t read anything this game and want to make sure This Buff isn’t given to good scum.
If BM is the scum he can easily be caught.
Deimos on the other hand is really good and can fool people.

HEAL: BM

wow man you obviously missed that I'm undefeated as scum

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE: tuxedo
VOTE: Battle Mage
Serious vote. Broke jojoke code.

One vote is as good as the other!
VOTE: Battle Mage

Least 1 scum within Mastina and Tuxedo.

let's do Mastina then, as she's loved and already has a wagon!

VOTE: Mastina

[Battle Mage]

Bm you just hammered her you doofus, unless im reading the mod post wrong.

The idea was to get her partner to claim to test this first.

you're reading it wrong

she's loved - so it takes her an extra vote above a majority to get elimmed (not 1 more vote from the time of Mod's post)

[Battle Mage]

Bm you just hammered her you doofus, unless im reading the mod post wrong.

The idea was to get her partner to claim to test this first.

you're reading it wrong

she's loved - so it takes her an extra vote above a majority to get elimmed (not 1 more vote from the time of Mod's post)

Nm I took 1 more vote as a literal one more vote.

You are forgiven

I checked the wiki before doing it

why is my dance partner not healing me?

[Battle Mage]

Bm you just hammered her you doofus, unless im reading the mod post wrong.

The idea was to get her partner to claim to test this first.

you're reading it wrong

she's loved - so it takes her an extra vote above a majority to get elimmed (not 1 more vote from the time of Mod's post)

Nm I took 1 more vote as a literal one more vote.

You are forgiven

I checked the wiki before doing it

why is my dance partner not healing me?

I want to heal Deimos and cant figure out to format it.

Can you do me a huge favour though babe

Can you unvote and vote again. Just want to check something

NOPE

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Mikul

[Battle Mage]

I'm V/LA across all my games for the next 5 days. Aiming to login once per day but activity will be limited.

[Battle Mage]

i dont think thats the right assumption

[Battle Mage]

just to confirm Golden, you're saying you pretended to dayvig Tux because you think he's gullible as hell?

what about your history led you to that conclusion?

[Battle Mage]

Is your audition result good or bad?

I don't know what this means. I feel I'm misunderstanding the set up.

if you win an audition, your role should give you a bonus, and i think based on speculation so far, some are good and some are bad.

given scum are able to influence the audition results more than town, and it's sort of akin to claiming PRs, it probably isn't pro-town to disclose (unless your role, like mine, dictates it).

Tux - would you like me to HELP you?

[Battle Mage]

just to confirm Golden, you're saying you pretended to dayvig Tux because you think he's gullible as hell?

what about your history led you to that conclusion?

It's more over expections of town me rather than being gullible.

When he has played against town me, I normally only take the piss over not serious things. Scum claiming, making up ridiculous fake roles in a open set up, etc. Outside of RvS, I tend to straighten up and bleed town.

Meanwhile, his experience with scum me saw him being hardcore buddied as I had him pushed my mafia agenda. I openly ego scum posted as well.

If tuxedo is scum, he knows I'm town and is likely to believe the claim.

If tuxedo is town, I believe he would also trust the claim since his expection for scum me doesn't fit with me killing him super early.

Sorry I'm on the move

So after you manipulated and strung him along as scum, you think he would expect you to make the same play again? or do you think he'd expect you to have more weapons in your arsenal? My expectation would probably be that scum-you would mix it up, and probably be quite happy to get rid of someone who is going to be overly suspicious of you.

[Battle Mage]

I haven’t read anything this game and want to make sure This Buff isn’t given to good scum.
If BM is the scum he can easily be caught.

Does not compute.

Battle Mage is, historically, proven repeatedly, to be one of THE most skilled scum players of all time onsite. My very first game onsite is proof enough of that.

Wow, what a blast from the past!

Consider me resident in your pocket from now on. <3

Proxy Vote to Mastina

[Battle Mage]

Tux - would you like me to HELP you?

I always want help.

ah amazing

VOTE: answer the cry

answer the cry

[Battle Mage]

Reread my role pm to find the audition bonus. Would you like me to say anything about it? Be vague about it? Or say nothing?

More shockingly though it turns out I am scum

VOTE: Tuxedo Mask

[Battle Mage]

Oh i hadn't read yet because I couldn't get through bm sucking his own dick or w/e on page 2. You fakeclaiming mason again, having a bad reads list, and having an extremely strange role paraphrase makes my life pretty ez tbh.

VOTE: mastina

why do it yourself when others will do it for you?

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage is not a good scum player. Battle mage was actually renowned for being incredibly not good at mafia.

Dude quit bashing me! Half my games are filled with people saying I'm shit...

My record as scum now is v good. I'm almost average as town statistically, but when i suck, i suck...

[Battle Mage]

Shiro, well. Shiro I used to know how to read but have forgotten. I kinda lean town right now mostly off of gut and thinking, "this seems to be the Shiro I remember as town", but I admit, my memory is probably not reliable, thus how weak of a read it is.

I mean let us be honest, I have only post twice I would be highly surprised if anyone could read me off of that xD

^is scum

Good morning everyone. I see Panther has already arrived, so now I'll attempt to relay my thoughts as well.

Tuxedo Mask was the scumread we both agreed on, I heavily disliked the way he approached his question Holden. It seems quite clear that it was a reaction test, and he never posted a response to Holden's answer until he was later called out on this post. I also don't think the dayvig test Holden used on him was likely to work, as the odds of Holden actually daykilling a player so early into the game was close to zero. I found his mastina vote underwhelming as well, so I'd be interested to see how he reacts to mastina's latest posts.

The other player whose posting I found unsightly was Battle Mage's. In particular, his early aggression seems at odds with his reaction mastina's claim - namely the empty unvote. Battle Mage, if you were so willing to try and pressure us before your mastina vote, why were you unwilling to return there after the Mason claim changed your mind?

I can't say that I feel great about all of mastina's reads, but how they apply their logic seems consistent right now. I think that if mastina is scum, they'll struggle to maintain this consistency and it will become clear with time.

The hydra is giving me crap now!?

I've just been playing around and testing the water. I can't even remember how it went down. I imagine maybe I unvoted when I saw the mason claim because it's a stupid thing for scum to fakeclaim. Then later I changed my mind maybe and thought it would be worth pressuring her for a full claim. Then I got pocketted and Tux literally claimed scum, so clearly that's the priority elimination. Although I could easily jump to Shiro if that got some lubrication. If your question above is literally "why am i not voting for you?" it's because I have more important things to do than policy lynch hydras.

[Battle Mage]

it's Shiro. read her ISO.

VOTE: Shiro

[Battle Mage]

mastina, vote for Shiro already.

[Battle Mage]

mastina, vote for Shiro already.

Read any given Shiro game and tell me that Shiro in this game sticks out as definitely scum.

I'm not going to put Shiro as locktown by any measure but Shiro's not south of null for me so I'm not voting there.
This is a Shiro game.
So is this.
So is this.
So is this.
So is this.
So is this.
So is this.

A grand total of one of those games is a scumgame; the others are all towngames.

Can you tell which is the scumgame easily and clearly without cheating?

Yes, I can easily tell the difference - she has a tell. Have you considered enrolling in school this autumn? The BM School of Scumhunting has places available...

[Battle Mage]

Mastina, can I check, are you suggesting you can't read Shiro at all based on meta, and that is sufficient to not vote her here?

If so, do you have a strong meta to suggest anyone else is more likely to be scum? I assume based on the list of games above, you are undertaking equally comprehensive analysis across the piece?

[Battle Mage]

catboi, are you post restricted?

[Battle Mage]

I'm not looking through all of her games to find the times she was a fake claiming mason as scum

Because they literally don't exist.

People believe a lot of Word of Mouth about me, but it's word of mouth that if people actually looked into it, they'd find it often doesn't actually have basis in reality. This is no exception.

People can spread the rumor all they want that I have fakeclaimed mason as scum before.
But people spreading the rumor that I have fakeclaimed mason as scum before, doesn't mean I have.

Panzer is correct--I have been accused of fakeclaiming mason as scum before.
What he leaves out is that each time that accusation is levied, the accuser fails to back the accusation up with evidence--because they can't, because the accusation is false, because I don't have any games where I was scum and fakeclaimed mason.

This is a good example of why self-meta is bad...

So, you're saying fakeclaiming mason here means you must be town?

Or is there another reason you are doing it, which is particularly pro-town here? You don't need to specify what that is, but would be helpful to have on record whether you have a justification for it, so you can't just say later "I did it coz I wanted to look townie".

I started responding to Deimos detailed assessment of why we shouldn't lynch you or push for more justification today, because you would only do it if it was +EV. I lost the will to live, because even though I disagree, it feels completely redundant if everyone knows the claim is BS and it serves no value to anyone, true or not.

[Battle Mage]

Mikul, since mastina has established a meta of multiple dozen games fakeclaiming mason

only

as town, on what basis have you decided that this is the game she is breaking against her scum philosophy?

This is false, it's both alignments.

This is false; it's never been done by me as scum.

I can link to every scumgame I've ever played to prove it.

And even if I didn't, the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. Panzer is leveling the accusation that I've fakeclaimed mason as scum before--the burden of proof is on him to deliver it. But he won't because he can't because it doesn't exist because I haven't.

So yes, Panzer is outright lying about me.

This is completely lame. Are you even voting for Panzer for supposedly "outright lying" about you? And why exactly would he bother lying? no obvious scum motivation here, as he isn't suggesting you fakeclaiming mason is scummy, just that it's NAI (which partly because of your self-meta and defensiveness around it, is true). And it's always pretty ridiculous to suggest someone is lying about something which is quite easily provable. Someone as experienced as Panzer doing so? I don't buy it.

[Battle Mage]

Are you even voting for Panzer for supposedly "outright lying" about you?

No, and I've already explained why:

My seiyu is Rikiya Koyama. The role is Tora from Ushio and Tora. I am neutral alignment with no win condition due to being trapped by a holy spear until I have to drawn 3 night actions on separate nights. After that I am freed from the spear I become Town w/ what I'm only willing to describe as strong powers. I'd appreciate your cooperation.

While I am pretty sure this is bullshit, I feel obliged to humor it on policy alone since I see no harm in proving it's fake down the line.

(Panzer removed due to 3p claim thus invalidating reads on him. But it should be stated I am incredibly skeptical of his claim both the original claim and also his audition power literally being mine.)

Oh forgot to include the removed-from-readslist Panzerjager, but I feel he bears further mentioning.
I immediately got the vibe that Panzer wasn't town because if he were town I'd expect there to be some sort of pressure from him on me because I said "Hi I am a mason" and the last time I said I was a mason in a game with Panzer, well...he was down my throat the entire time pretty much.

Him claiming third party gives that a reasonable explanation, but I find the third party claim to be suspect since Panzer is someone who, I seem to recall, has the mindset of murdering 3p claims on policy, by and large. I admit this is mostly to memory, thus, not reliable, but I also seem to recall Panzer plays 3p differently than this. His claimed 3p role is also hard to verify, and then on top of all that, his claimed auction power is literally my auction power so I am directly a counterclaim to his claimed ability.

All-in-all, I feel that there's a very real chance that he's scum fakeclaiming third party,

but

, I feel obligated to, at least for now, humor him, because I feel that

if

he's telling the truth, there's no harm in letting him get a wincon, and he's certainly not the best D1 lynch. He's not the

worst

D1 lynch, because he's either scum or 3p, but I feel there are better options.

(*Panzer)
Tuxedo Mask
Battle Mage
Updated readslist, decided I should list Panzer in here anyway in spite of his 3p claim to note my disbelieval of it.

And Panzer claimed his role as mastina's audition power? Huh.

That plus his sketchy claim and play by his own confession being against his normal policies is why I am incredibly suspicious of him.

I'd rather eliminate scum than a 3p that seems harmless, especially if it's 3p that can become strong town. They are a valid default/compromise, though.

^This. If Panzer isn't scum, then he's a harmless 3p. But he wouldn't be a terrible lynch due to the very real possibility that he's scum fakeclaiming 3p. So he's not the best lynch to push forward, but if push comes to shove and we need a lynch and can't get a better one, he's a fine compromise-lynch.

^This one in particular.

It should also be noted that I only have one vote. I can't vote every scumread of mine at once; I have to pick and choose where I want to vote. There are good reasons to not vote Panzer in spite of my suspicion there. So my vote is best placed elsewhere.

And why exactly would he bother lying?

Mostly irrelevant because he has stated provable falsehoods. The 'why' isn't as important as the existence of it. Asking what the motive for lying would be does nothing to remove from the provable fact that, yes, he is in fact lying. Why? I honestly don't care, I'm pretty sure Panzer got banned for quoting his role PM on two separate occasions, my opinion of his standard of play is incredibly low so I don't even think lying is scum-indicative from him.

Basically you're more or less going, "but why would he lie? He doesn't have an incentive to lie and therefore it must not be a lie", when it IS a lie no matter what. It is, provably, a falsehood that he has stated. It is something that anyone can look into and see isn't true. You're saying he wouldn't do something that he provably has done. Saying he has no reason to have done it doesn't remove the fact that he did it.

Succinctly, that's not correct. Which ironically, is precisely the point. From your perspective, it seems perfectly plausible Panzerjager was simply "mistaken", rather than "lying". You've chosen to assert the latter which is far less likely, in order to shade him. In doing so, you've gone to some effort to make the point he is "lying", when in fact, he almost certainly wasn't, and have failed to take the subsequent step of trying to understand whether that is AI or not (which is the core function of town). The failure to make that assessment leaves a scummy impression of Panzerjager as a "liar", when in fact even if he was lying about this, I'm not sure how you would argue it is scum-indicative.

[Battle Mage]

Deimos27
Panther and Fox
HoldenGolden/Starbuck
Mikul

popopopopopopo
TrueSoulEnergy

Sujimichi
Shiro



Battle Mage
(*Panzer)
TheThirteenthJT
Tuxedo Mask/catboi

Locktown strong town null scum.

Is your failure to provide a complete response to my questions in post 422 intentional, as you don't have a good response and thought I would forget to follow up?

Am I in your "scum" list for OMGUS reasons, or anything legitimate?

[Battle Mage]

So, you're saying fakeclaiming mason here means you must be town?

I covered this subject already:

she also has a history of fake claiming masons as scum.

Provably and demonstrably false.

I have a long established history of fakeclaiming mason to the point where it is a meme, sure!

I was town in every single one of those games.

I've never fakeclaimed mason as scum. Not once.

Now I've always said that I

could

fakeclaim masons as scum, it's not like me claiming masons is a trust tell where I refuse to fakeclaim mason as scum and always fakeclaim mason as town.

But it so happens that

so far

, out of probably three dozen mason claims, between actually being a mason and the numerous times I faked it, NONE were with me as scum. Absolutely none of them.

This might have some tie into my refusal to fakeclaim as scum because as scum I refuse to be caught in a lie, I believe the truth is the most deadly weapon for scum to have on their side because if scum have truth on their side, it means towns accusing them of lying are in the wrong, giving scum the ability to be sincere and genuine, something impossible to wholly and truly 100% fake. If scum are being 100% absolutely purely genuine and sincere because they're telling the absolute truth, they can become more town than actual town.

(But, again, it's not like I refuse to fakeclaim as scum as a trust tell on policy of, "I'm scum therefore I will not lie about my claim", so much as I truly and sincerely believe that the

optimal play

as scum is to not lie, and that lying would be suboptimal. I COULD decide one day to make that suboptimal play, it's just that I probably never actually will because I'll always favor the optimal play because it's, well, optimal.)

(Now granted! I have, as town, claimed masons WITH scum. THAT? That I am guilty of, I will admit. It is an inherent risk in the mason gambit, and one that I am always prepared for. But Panzer didn't say I have a history of fakeclaiming masons with scum, he said I have a history of fakeclaiming masons AS scum. The former is true, the latter is not.)

I'm specifically referring to the motivation behind claiming in that way. What would town mastina gain from that?

Surprisingly a lot.

I wouldn't say I am a mason in the way I did if it didn't provide benefits the way it does, and yet time and time again, it always seems to give me benefits.

If it aint broke, no need to fix it, and since it still gives me benefits...

To note I really don't like the idea of clemency because her meta is that she only fake claims "Mason as town". It's way to easy to claim that as scum at that point.

Sure!

It'd be easy to fakeclaim mason as scum because of a track record of fakeclaiming mason as town.

But the fact of the matter is, while I could fakeclaim mason as scum and you never know, maybe for some strange random reason of all games this one just so happens to randomly be the one where I actually do it.

The simple fact is. Provably and demonstrably, can be shown by manually sifting through all of my games.

I've never, to this date, fakeclaimed mason as scum.

I could! And every game I claim mason could be that magical mystical first game where it's actually a scum fakeclaim.

But I haven't.

Basically. Any given time I say I am a mason

could

be a scumastina deciding of all games, this one just so happens to be the one where I randomly decide to buck the trend and claim mason as scum. I have had notable scumgames in the past where I destroyed previous towntells of mine by utilizing them deliberately as scum to earn some good towncredit, and any given game where I claim mason could be that scumgame where I decide to destroy the towntell.

So claiming mason is not a trust tell, because it's something that I could always claim as scum.

But to this date, in the dozens of games where I've claimed masons, between actually being a mason or mason-type role (e.g. loyal neighborizer = essentially mason) and the numerous times where I have faked being one. Every single one has been as town. (Well, one was a 3p, but 3p aren't scum, they're 3p, and that wasn't a fakeclaim because I really was converting people into being confirmed to be my own alignment. It wasn't like I was fakeclaiming mason as a serial killer, it was me claiming my real power, just as town instead of 3p.)

I'd be all too happy for people to evaluate me on merits beside the mason claim, so it's not something I've insisted I be read upon. All I've done is clarified my history with the claim. I've not once said "I've claimed mason this game, therefore, I must be town". I've pointed out that I've never fakeclaimed mason as scum, which is true, but I fully encourage being read on merits other than a mason claim. (That said, I'm never getting lynched this game because I am town and in spite of my Loved role being borderline-useless, scum will nightkill me before the end of the game, guaranteed.)

Or is there another reason you are doing it, which is particularly pro-town here?

As a matter of fact, yes. I feel there were very good reasons for me to say "Hi I am a mason ".

I also feel like there's absolutely zero pro-town reason for me to explain said reasons publicly.

I'm extremely skeptical that is the case, and I wonder if you're simply parrotting Deimos here as he used similar language. I think it's much more likely there was no good reason to do it at all, beyond using it as a way to deflect suspicion because it's a town-tell per your meta. I can't see any pro-town benefit to making a fakeclaim which is obviously a fakeclaim which nobody would buy - it is completely redundant, and can't serve any pro-town purpose I can think of, and crucially, not a purpose which you would consider it beneficial to be secretive about now it's done. Your defensive churlishness is giving me bad vibes. I also have no idea what "I'm never getting lynched this game because I am town" is supposed to mean.

[Battle Mage]

Actually BM..u right

UNVOTE:

VOTE: catboi

we're not lynching catboi for having an annoying self-imposed PR. You said you were happy joining Shiro right?

[Battle Mage]

However, while I might not be able to remember what Shiro's tell is--I can say this about Shiro regardless. Even without a meta tell on Shiro, Shiro's alignment becomes more clear with time. Shiro cannot carry a scumteam even when scum. Shiro contributes virtually nothing regardless of alignment. Because of this lack of contribution regardless of alignment, Shiro is the least-valuable member of any given scumteam, and with other scum dead, Shiro is quick to be exposed. That much I remember about Shiro quite clearly. Shiro won't carry a game as town, but Shiro won't carry a game as scum. More than that, a Shiro lynch gives the town almost nothing regardless of Shiro's alignment. If Shiro's scum, nothing to find scumbuddies from; if Shiro's town, we get no info from what amounted to a policy lurker-lynch since there's no way to tell the scum hopping on an easy wagon apart from the town who believed it was a good wagon.

I'm not going to give Shiro an indefinite pass. Heck I want Shiro to post more and if Shiro continues to not, I might even frustrate-vote Shiro just to apply pressure to Shiro. But I don't think Shiro's a good D1 lynch; Shiro's a good D3 or so lynch, if suspicion remains.

Basically, Shiro isn't getting an indefinite pass from me, but currently has a temporary one.

（；¬＿¬) So you propose they will be easier to read after giving them a pass to do nothing for 2 days?

I agree with catboi, this is weak. Also, on a personal note, I'm not sure where Mastina gets off saying everyone else is a shit player when she allegedly fakeclaims mason without justification in dozens of games as town but never as scum and still routinely manages to make it into a big distraction and/or gets evicted for it.

[Battle Mage]

Deimos27
Panther and Fox
HoldenGolden/Starbuck
Mikul

popopopopopopo

TrueSoulEnergy

Sujimichi
Shiro



Battle Mage

(*Panzer)
TheThirteenthJT
Tuxedo Mask/catboi

Locktown strong town nulltown null nullscum scum.

Small correction; BM is probably not in the same tier of scumread as the others, so I've separated him.

For the reads...
Basically, Deimos has done everything town the entire step of the game. Opening was town, continued content was town, Deimos radiates town and is just obviously town in every way shape and form. If we could give a bulletproof to someone every single day, it should go to Deimos because Deimos is the player scum most would want to get rid of. Obvtown, good analysis, just all-around high-town.

Panther and Fox immediately pocketed me with their thoughts more or less dead-on echoing my own, with solid, good analysis out of the gate. While I disagree with their read of TheThirteenthJT's content being town, I agree with most of what they say, and the fact that their reads aren't

exactly

carbon copies of my own bodes well--it shows they're not trying to intentionally pocket me by echoing my thoughts and nothing else. They have their own take, their own thoughts, unique and original to them.

Beyond that, I maintain my initial towntell on them is valid. If Panther and Fox had a scum PT to post in (and a scum PT WOULD be open in the pregame!), then they would've realized they couldn't post in it, and alert the mod to this fact before the game begun. But because they were unaware of this problem until the game begun and contacted the mod about it only after the game was already underway, it's fairly strong proof that they didn't have a scum PT to post in, and thus, they are town.

HoldenGolden was obviously town and Starbuck has only strengthened the read. Everything HoldenGolden did felt town, I could tell what he was doing and track a town mindset in it, without seeing any scum mindset for it. Starbuck's entrance into the game only solidified this by instantly replacing in, catching up on the whole game, and continuing to analyze things, prod things, poke things, etc. On that note, Starbuck saying she read the game and was contributing, as more or less a reasoning for "your justification doesn't hold", more or less going, "I did this in less than a day, what's your excuse?", all solidly point to her being town.

While Mikul's stance on me is annoying and anti-town, I don't think it comes from scum. To the contrary, I feel it very strongly comes from town. Mikul's applied pressure the whole game to multiple slots, having interacted extensively with Battle Mage and pushing him in a way I feel is incredibly fluid and organic. Beyond showing they're not scum-scum, I feel it just shows that Mikul is outright town, regardless of Battle Mage's alignment. (That said, if Battle Mage is scum, then that would be extra evidence that Mikul isn't.)

Mikul's also not tunneled exclusively on me, and is pressing elsewhere as well, with good pushes and good reasoning. Overall, Mikul is definitely one of the towniest players in this game and while I have no prior meta with Mikul, I'd be flabbergasted if Mikul was this good at scumplay.

popo might've done almost nothing before being replaced, but what little there was ringed town to me. As scum, popo could've just let me defend the slot, but instead questioned my townread of popo off of the one entry post, which I maintain was still town due to the casual nature of it. Certainly not locktown due to a lack of content, but still far more likely to be town than not.

I feel like I might have TSE too high right now, on reflection--probably is more nulltown than strong town. The reason why: I really really really liked TSE's entrance into the game, because if he truly believed Deimos was god-tiered scum and BM is easy to read as scum, then his opener makes perfect sense and I can see the town mindset from it. I also liked his pressure onto the Tuxedo Mask slot, along with a rather bold statement to be making. All of this made me think town.

Since then I've reconsidered, because his stance to defend Battle Mage is objectively wrong, detracting from Deimos is also objectively in the wrong, and his content's fairly lackluster. He's said he's busy, but since then has done nothing but active lurk more or less, and from TSE I'd expect him to be fairly active and involved, pushing reasonably hard. Yet he hasn't. With that lack of content beyond the initial burst, and with that initial burst being objectively in the wrong even if I can believe that subjectively he truly believed that, he's possibly scum here.

That having been said, someone brought up a good point and it applies to multiple slots, his and Shiro's alike: this game has been fairly slow and mostly dead, and every slot that's being lackluster cannot be scum, every active lurker cannot be scum, because we have too many of them, too many people who're not in the game. I'm still willing to buy into TSE being town that's not into the game yet, thus, nulltown is probably the best place to put him in reflection.

Sujimichi is currently null right now because in spite of Sujimichi having posted, I need more to get a read.

Shiro I've already explained.

Battle Mage is a read which isn't so much a weaker scumread now compared to before, so much as it is, the other scumreads got stronger. I still think that a lot of his content is suspect, but that having been said, I am thinking of calling him nullscum on the basis of him applying pressure to most of my other scumreads. While distancing/bussing is something he's fully capable of doing on a dime, I still feel I owe it to him that if he does actually help lynch one or two scum that he's less likely to be scum as a result.

Panzer I've already gone into.

TheThirteenthJT, more or less already went into there. While TheThirteenthJT has given some thoughts, the level of timidness from them, lack of putting their money where their mouth is, and the overall content from them, radiates newbscum. It's not impossible to be newbtown, I fully admit that, but between newbscum and newbtown, newbscum fits the profile of TheThirteenthJT's actions much better.

catboi's content has admittedly been an improvement over Tuxedo Mask's, but catboi's stances all feel fairly safe and controlled--pressuring Shiro for instance. The one exception to this would be the defense of TheThirteenthJT, a stance that does take catboi a little out of the comfort zone, but if they're scumbuddies, that defense is a necessity. (Can probably explain this stance more, but...I wanna eat breakfast.)

This doesn't accord as a particularly innovative readslist - you're basically buddying all the active players aside from me, as I'm the only one pushing you, amirite? And not clear from this readslist why you are even scumreading me... All incredibly cautious. And you're still neglecting to respond to my questions.

[Battle Mage]

I wouldn't have asked you a question if it wasn't relevant. But of course, you are a vastly superior player, and surely know better than me! Or perhaps you didn't want to answer without some cajoling because you knew you couldn't.

The reason I asked the question is that I struggle to understand your lack of consistency, as you illustrate clearly above. You referenced half a dozen games with Shiro to make the point you can't read her, which is relatively low importance. Yet TTJT has like 1 completed game, is one of your top suspects, and you haven't bothered to read it even though it's likely to be instructive to a question which you claim is at the forefront of your mind (is he newbtown or newbscum?).

Instead your justification for reeling off half a dozen games with Shiro is that you "felt it easy to make a demonstrated point from it". Do you actually feel you did that? To me, it just seems like you bluffed that you could share a needlessly large number of games in the hope I wouldn't actually read them and realise that your assertion was wrong - Shiro is not indistinguishable as scum and town.

Is your failure to provide a complete response to my questions in post 422 intentional

Not exactly no. It kinda got lost, mostly because I deemed it not really relevant.

This game has a record-low number of players whose meta I am familiar with.

Intimately, the only player I'd be comfortable saying I have good meta with is Sujimichi.
Tentatively, I can add Panzer to a player whose meta I am reasonably acquainted with.
Shiro is at about the Panzer tier, a player who I am more intimately familiar with, albeit not in active memory. TSE is a

similar

read, in that I have enough games to have intimate meta with him, but slightly different in that rather than having forgotten, I just haven't put the effort to store the information I should have on the differences between his towngame and scumgame to the extent I should. I remember some bits, but not all of them.

Beyond that, HoldenGolden was at Sujimichi levels of familiarity but Starbuck is at you-levels of familiarity, someone I had a few games and interactions with back in the 2009-2011 era, but which my memories of them are mostly of reputation and games I spectated more than actual first-hand experience.

And everyone else is a stranger.

I don't often provide links to metas for players, particularly links to games I wasn't involved in, but on some occasions where I feel it is an effective demonstration I will indulge in it--Shiro being a case of this, where Shiro's iso in past games is short enough to easily at least be skimmed for a brief comparison to here, especially the first dozen or so Shiro posts (to give a reference for what Shiro is like at the beginning of a game).

So it's not something you're likely to see from me on anyone else unless by chance I felt it similarly easy to make a demonstrated point from it, an event unlikely to occur again especially with the current players.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Mastina

I'm going to sleep, will respond to the rest tomorrow, but I'm pretty confident Mastina is scum here, and obviously that implicates Shiro anyway so she can be dealt with tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

Deimos27
Panther and Fox
HoldenGolden/Starbuck
Mikul

popopopopopopo

TrueSoulEnergy

Sujimichi
Shiro



Battle Mage

(*Panzer)
TheThirteenthJT
Tuxedo Mask/catboi

Locktown strong town nulltown null nullscum scum.

Small correction; BM is probably not in the same tier of scumread as the others, so I've separated him.

For the reads...
Basically, Deimos has done everything town the entire step of the game. Opening was town, continued content was town, Deimos radiates town and is just obviously town in every way shape and form. If we could give a bulletproof to someone every single day, it should go to Deimos because Deimos is the player scum most would want to get rid of. Obvtown, good analysis, just all-around high-town.

Panther and Fox immediately pocketed me with their thoughts more or less dead-on echoing my own, with solid, good analysis out of the gate. While I disagree with their read of TheThirteenthJT's content being town, I agree with most of what they say, and the fact that their reads aren't

exactly

carbon copies of my own bodes well--it shows they're not trying to intentionally pocket me by echoing my thoughts and nothing else. They have their own take, their own thoughts, unique and original to them.

Beyond that, I maintain my initial towntell on them is valid. If Panther and Fox had a scum PT to post in (and a scum PT WOULD be open in the pregame!), then they would've realized they couldn't post in it, and alert the mod to this fact before the game begun. But because they were unaware of this problem until the game begun and contacted the mod about it only after the game was already underway, it's fairly strong proof that they didn't have a scum PT to post in, and thus, they are town.

HoldenGolden was obviously town and Starbuck has only strengthened the read. Everything HoldenGolden did felt town, I could tell what he was doing and track a town mindset in it, without seeing any scum mindset for it. Starbuck's entrance into the game only solidified this by instantly replacing in, catching up on the whole game, and continuing to analyze things, prod things, poke things, etc. On that note, Starbuck saying she read the game and was contributing, as more or less a reasoning for "your justification doesn't hold", more or less going, "I did this in less than a day, what's your excuse?", all solidly point to her being town.

While Mikul's stance on me is annoying and anti-town, I don't think it comes from scum. To the contrary, I feel it very strongly comes from town. Mikul's applied pressure the whole game to multiple slots, having interacted extensively with Battle Mage and pushing him in a way I feel is incredibly fluid and organic. Beyond showing they're not scum-scum, I feel it just shows that Mikul is outright town, regardless of Battle Mage's alignment. (That said, if Battle Mage is scum, then that would be extra evidence that Mikul isn't.)

Mikul's also not tunneled exclusively on me, and is pressing elsewhere as well, with good pushes and good reasoning. Overall, Mikul is definitely one of the towniest players in this game and while I have no prior meta with Mikul, I'd be flabbergasted if Mikul was this good at scumplay.

popo might've done almost nothing before being replaced, but what little there was ringed town to me. As scum, popo could've just let me defend the slot, but instead questioned my townread of popo off of the one entry post, which I maintain was still town due to the casual nature of it. Certainly not locktown due to a lack of content, but still far more likely to be town than not.

I feel like I might have TSE too high right now, on reflection--probably is more nulltown than strong town. The reason why: I really really really liked TSE's entrance into the game, because if he truly believed Deimos was god-tiered scum and BM is easy to read as scum, then his opener makes perfect sense and I can see the town mindset from it. I also liked his pressure onto the Tuxedo Mask slot, along with a rather bold statement to be making. All of this made me think town.

Since then I've reconsidered, because his stance to defend Battle Mage is objectively wrong, detracting from Deimos is also objectively in the wrong, and his content's fairly lackluster. He's said he's busy, but since then has done nothing but active lurk more or less, and from TSE I'd expect him to be fairly active and involved, pushing reasonably hard. Yet he hasn't. With that lack of content beyond the initial burst, and with that initial burst being objectively in the wrong even if I can believe that subjectively he truly believed that, he's possibly scum here.

That having been said, someone brought up a good point and it applies to multiple slots, his and Shiro's alike: this game has been fairly slow and mostly dead, and every slot that's being lackluster cannot be scum, every active lurker cannot be scum, because we have too many of them, too many people who're not in the game. I'm still willing to buy into TSE being town that's not into the game yet, thus, nulltown is probably the best place to put him in reflection.

Sujimichi is currently null right now because in spite of Sujimichi having posted, I need more to get a read.

Shiro I've already explained.

Battle Mage is a read which isn't so much a weaker scumread now compared to before, so much as it is, the other scumreads got stronger. I still think that a lot of his content is suspect, but that having been said, I am thinking of calling him nullscum on the basis of him applying pressure to most of my other scumreads. While distancing/bussing is something he's fully capable of doing on a dime, I still feel I owe it to him that if he does actually help lynch one or two scum that he's less likely to be scum as a result.

Panzer I've already gone into.

TheThirteenthJT, more or less already went into there. While TheThirteenthJT has given some thoughts, the level of timidness from them, lack of putting their money where their mouth is, and the overall content from them, radiates newbscum. It's not impossible to be newbtown, I fully admit that, but between newbscum and newbtown, newbscum fits the profile of TheThirteenthJT's actions much better.

catboi's content has admittedly been an improvement over Tuxedo Mask's, but catboi's stances all feel fairly safe and controlled--pressuring Shiro for instance. The one exception to this would be the defense of TheThirteenthJT, a stance that does take catboi a little out of the comfort zone, but if they're scumbuddies, that defense is a necessity. (Can probably explain this stance more, but...I wanna eat breakfast.)

This doesn't accord as a particularly innovative readslist - you're basically buddying all the active players aside from me, as I'm the only one pushing you, amirite? And not clear from this readslist why you are even scumreading me... All incredibly cautious. And you're still neglecting to respond to my questions.

Quoting this for new page and importance to not get lost.

[Battle Mage]

You know I should honestly start giving myself time to read this game.
I need to do it tonight SMH.

Dude relax and don't worry about reading - we discussed earlier in the game that if you sheep me, everyone will think you're super townie.

[Battle Mage]

yo, Mastina is scum, all aboard!

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage early insistence at nominating himself read ingenuine and scummy. largely a tonal read. also though the way he interacted was mikul was a lil slimey somehow, like he was trying to earn a townread

My early insistence at nominating myself was ingenuine? Why would I not be genuine about it, regardless of my alignment? In general, I don't think it's NAI at all, although it depends on what your role is (i.e. if your audition bonus is crap, and you're pushing to win the audition, I'd consider that scum-indicative, although with limited information I can forgive it slightly more).

I think you should expand on what exactly you mean here, as this all seems a bit "i've got intangible vibes" which is a nice way to avoid being pinned down to anything.

And more broadly, I wonder if it's a coincidence that your reads are eerily reminiscent of the reads from Mastina, in terms of both personnel and justification?

[Battle Mage]

"I like my wagon". In what way? Why?

Wagons are fun, battle mage is likely scum. Not the first time I have been day 1" scum read" for fluffing by acun6, won't be the last. They always think it's an easy target to float by.

His ridiculous claim that I have an obvious tell was just icing on the cake.

To be fair, if you knew about it, you probably wouldn't do it. I'm happy to tell you after the game/after you're dead.

You feel completely comfortable with the way Mastina has devoted herself to protecting you, at the expense of looking at her actual scumreads?

To be clear, you're scumreading me for targetting you, because you're an easy target? even though, I'm like, not?

[Battle Mage]

I'm not sure where Mastina gets off saying everyone else is a shit player

Well for a start, I don't do this.

You have done it.

when she allegedly fakeclaims mason without justification in dozens of games as town

And don't do this because there is always a justification for it and usually a damn good one.

and still routinely manages to make it into a big distraction

And also was not responsible for this because as I have stated multiple times I encourage people to read me off of my actions, not me saying I am a mason, it's OTHER PEOPLE who have made it a big deal and insisted to press on the mason angle.

Shouldn't that serve as a lesson to you though? If your mason claims normally have a net negative impact, why do you continue to do it? Don't get me wrong, I'm also partial to a good fakeclaim as town, although it's pretty vital that one is somewhat selective with it to maintain a bit of credibility. I have no idea what benefit you think is gained if you try and pull the same trick in every game, such that nobody believes you, and the consensus just falls back on "lynch all liars".

and/or gets evicted for it.

Mostly also false in that in all the times I've claimed mason I think only a grand total of one game ever resulted in my lynch and it wasn't because of the mason claim, it was because I hard-defended a flipped scum player (who, notably, was not who I fakeclaimed mason with). All those dozens and dozens of other times? I got nightkilled or lived to the endgame. One game where I got lynched for hard-defending a scum player who wasn't the person I claimed mason with, versus dozens upon dozens of games where I claimed mason or a mason-like role and was either nightkilled or lived to endgame.

So no. I don't get lynched for this nor will I be lynched this game.

So you're saying you're fakeclaiming mason here because historically you've never been lynched for doing so .i.e. it makes people think you are town? Again, I'm struggling to see how this translates into any protown benefit which isn't inherently linked to your alignment.

[Battle Mage]

Nah I think you are scum because your reasoning for scum reading me often comes from scum.

I wouldn't exactly call you an easy target no.

Erm, no. You claimed your reason for scumreading me was that I was opportunistically pursuing you and you're an easy target. In reality, I'm not even voting for you (and strangely, you aren't voting for me).

Can you explain what would constitute a town-indicative reason for scum-reading you, just so we're clear on the difference?

[Battle Mage]

I think it's much more likely there was no good reason to do it at all, beyond using it as a way to deflect suspicion because it's a town-tell per your meta.

I repeat.

Have I, so much as once, said that I am town for having claimed mason?

Have I?

Yes, you have.

Have I, in fact, to the contrary, said that any given time I claim mason could in fact be me claiming it as scum?

Why yes yes I did.

Have I also not repeatedly said that I should in fact be read on merits of my play beyond the mason claim?

So no. Not using it to deflect suspicion.

I'm not sure why you're making this point as if it's a revelation? It's obvious that your self-meta is NAI, and clearly that fact hasn't escaped me as we're having this discussion. However, it's also clear that there's no benefit to your mason claim beyond trying to make yourself seem town, and despite protesting you don't want this to be the effect, it's perfectly obvious what your intention is. Pretending it's part of some grand plan, which other players are too stupid to understand, as a means to discourage people from voting for you, is weak.

I can't see any pro-town benefit to making a fakeclaim which is obviously a fakeclaim which nobody would buy - it is completely redundant, and can't serve any pro-town purpose I can think of

Just because you can't think of a pro-town reason for claiming mason in an opening post does not mean there isn't any. I am perfectly capable of explaining the reasons and in the past (not in this game thread) have even done so. It's something that there are tangible benefits to having done, but I repeat, not ones that I see any benefit of making public. I can write them down in private to show you them in postgame, but there's zero benefit to putting them in this thread.

Plus you happen to be missing context, but that missing context is something I again feel like is not good for me to put forth at this time. (Tho if someone else put forward said context, I'd confirm it. And again, in private can record it to show that it's not me just stealing their reasons, that yes those reasons existed prior to them mentioning the context.)

As above, I won't labour the point. I don't buy it, and the suggestion that you aren't ever planning to reveal your plan is further confirmation that there isn't one and you're simply stalling for time. The idea that I'm meant to be won over by you recording something in a private thread which I can read after the game, is ridiculous.

[Battle Mage]

Hm, I will be honest, I didn't notice your unvote but you did start it.

i still want you to answer my other question.

although my vote likely isn't moving from Mastina today, so don't fret too much.

[Battle Mage]

The reason I asked the question is that I struggle to understand your lack of consistency, as you illustrate clearly above.

I mean you call it an inconsistency but there really isn't one?

There's a consistency issue if you're referencing 5 games to make a point about Shiro which is purportedly of very low importance to you (because you consider her null and won't look at her until Day 3), and failing to even look at 1 game with TTJT who is amongst your alleged top priorities. This is not the behaviour of someone genuinely scumhunting.

Yet TTJT has like 1 completed game, is one of your top suspects, and you haven't bothered to read it even though it's likely to be instructive to a question which you claim is at the forefront of your mind (is he newbtown or newbscum?).

In general, I don't read games that I wasn't involved in. I make exceptions in very specific situations: I have meta with a player from an ongoing game that I can't share due to it being ongoing so I need to delve into games I'm not involved in, is one example, but the other example is when I have extensive meta history with a player and I feel that linking to the iso of the player in question across multiple games, even games I had no involvement with, will demonstrate the point I am making.

Shiro is the latter. (I've also done this for jjh, to name a reasonably recent example of me doing the multi-game meta on a player in spite of not being involved in all of the games.)

It is one very specific situation where I will do the link-spam of meta.

Versus the general rule that I don't.

There's no inconsistency to be had in not doing something, except in very specific select circumstances, circumstances that I explain the situation behind. And which there is a long-standing backing behind--I can link to any given game of mine in the last three years, and every single game you'll see the same thing. Either I don't do link-spam meta of a player, or if I do, it's one of the two above situations; I feel like I can very easily establish a point with said links or I need to use said links because the game I really want to link to is ongoing.

As an example from this game alone. When I responded to TSE's point about you and him saying you're not a good scum player, did I track down your game history to find scumgames and find your performance in them? No, I didn't, I only linked to a first-hand-experience game, because I couldn't think of a way to easily set the precedence of you being a good scum player just from linking to multiple games, at least at the time. (Tho in hindsight NOW that I think about it, finding games you were scum in and seeing which faction won would've done that, but AT THE TIME I hadn't thought of that.)

Also, notably, I am a bit lazy as a player; I typically only put in the minimum amount of work required, not the maximum. I didn't link to every Shiro game ever, I only linked to about half of the ones on the first page of the list I found by searching what games Shiro's been in. Because the experiment was "find one scumgame in all of these links, just from the early part of the iso, the rest were town", I gave just enough games for it to be something that couldn't just be guessed by random selection. (It's easy to guess "oh the third one" with three links, much harder to guess "oh the second one" with like eight.)

This is complete BS. If you hadn't read or been part of those Shiro games, what was the point of referring to a bunch of games to defend an assertion, when you had no idea if it would do so or not? This would be testament to my original view that you were just bluffing about meta to defend Shiro - which I find it difficult to see coming from a town perspective. The alternative is that you did actually read those games, in which case I don't buy town-Mastina would go to that much effort to make a fairly moot point, and not go to considerably less effort to do something which actually mattered to her.

Do you actually feel you did that?

As a matter of fact: yes.

I'd be fully willing to admit if I felt I hadn't made my point.

But I feel like I did.

[/quote]

Spoiler:

You didn't

[Battle Mage]

you're basically buddying all the active players aside from me

Not really, no. There are players I am 'buddying' that are far from active and there are players beside you that aren't exactly inactive--catboi for instance is fairly active and very much not someone I am 'buddying'.

My original point stands, and this is a terrible attempt at rebuttal. It demonstrates your main focus is denying everything anyone says about you, rather than engaging honestly and thoughtfully.

I'm the only one pushing you, amirite?

I was suspicious of you well before you stated any suspicion of me. Your suspicion of me is actually OMGUS on your part, not as you try to frame it vice-versa.

This is demonstrably false. I first voted for you in post 18. It was another 4 pages before you even posted anything. It's also irrelevant, as the key point is you're suspecting me NOW because I'm suspicious of you NOW - the history behind voting patterns before that is of no consequence.

And not clear from this readslist why you are even scumreading me...

Gonna kill two birds with one stone not only proving my suspicion of you predates your suspicion of me but also give said reasoning:

As long as I'm HEAL: Holden
I'm VOTE: GoldenI'm voting and healing Holden Golden just to be clear.

No heal for The Master? No townbloc for you!

I did consider healing Deimos.

HURT: Tuxedo Mask

Mutual scum distancing.
VOTE: Tuxedo Mask

Here I called the Battle Mage-Tuxedo Mask interactions mutual scum distancing. The implication being that both Battle Mage and Tuxedo Mask are scum, distancing from each other, but not committing to a hard-bus. (Which I even backed with a BM vote later.)

You're telling me that was serious? Gimme a break, please! And as noted, this was then evidently a response to my voting for you, which I was doing at the point at which you suggested I was scum.

-The mason claim is NAI to me rn until its doubled down on. I really only see it as a joke post. I think the scummest thing posted so far by mastina is actually the readlist; mainly since the reads seem to be following who said hello (me, demos, popopop) and not actually rooted in any content.

It IS rooted in content. It was specifically saying 'hello' instead of producing content which gave me the townread because it shows that the players are fairly lax and casual with no need to feel the requirement to look town.

(Contrast with Battle Mage and Tuxedo Mask, whose posts are forced attempts to look town without actually being town.)

Here I laid out the basic reason behind the Battle Mage suspicion: posts forced.

Mikul's prodding and poking of Battle Mage felt in contrast to the interactions with Battle Mage and Tuxedo Mask.

Whereas BM-TM interactions felt like scum distancing

, Mikul's interactions with Battle Mage felt like sincere scumhunting, and Mikul's presence in regards to other slots also feels natural.

Tuxedo Mask's early content felt forced, especially in regards to Battle Mage.

And Battle Mage's content has screamed scum setting up an excellent performance pretending to be town, doing things which look town, but which aren't actually town, feeling forced, stifled, and wholly artificial, calculated and precise every step of the way with no fluidity to his thoughts, nothing natural to them. His play is clinical here in a way I feel indicates he's probably scum.

Elaborated on here.

Tuxedo Mask was the scumread we both agreed on, I heavily disliked the way he approached his question Holden. It seems quite clear that it was a reaction test, and he never posted a response to Holden's answer until he was later called out on this post. I also don't think the dayvig test Holden used on him was likely to work, as the odds of Holden actually daykilling a player so early into the game was close to zero. I found his mastina vote underwhelming as well, so I'd be interested to see how he reacts to mastina's latest posts.

The other player whose posting I found unsightly was Battle Mage's. In particular, his early aggression seems at odds with his reaction mastina's claim - namely the empty unvote. Battle Mage, if you were so willing to try and pressure us before your mastina vote, why were you unwilling to return there after the Mason claim changed your mind?

Hello my good sir. Are you in the market for pockets? Because you've definitely got me pocketed. <3

And here, I was more or less saying that I agreed with Panther and Fox's analysis of Battle Mage here.

I won't do a play-by-play of this, but essentially you're saying that your read on me has been unchanged from a couple of posts between Tux and I on page 1, and your only justification is some nice and colourful description without anything of substance to hang off? It seems you've misunderstood/failed to read Panzer and Fox's analysis above, despite twice saying you agree with it (presumably because it allows you to buddy someone who is shading me).

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I'm ready to ascend.

Lynch Mastina tomorrow though, or I'll haunt you.

[Battle Mage]

So you're just, ready to go? No final reads or anything at all?

~Panther

Mastina-Shiro-Tipsy is the easy solve. I'm just a bit bored but I don't wanna make the Mod find another replacement. Although it does end my run of never getting lynched before Day 3 in 2020 - RIP.

[Battle Mage]

uhm what

you've literally stolen Mastina's readslist, change a couple of the words (but little of the substance) and claimed it as your own opinion.

Mastina also noticed and commented on this, but didn't think it was suspicious - why?

And then of course you just wagonned me for no reason.

Very little actual scumhunting going on in this game, maybe town gets it's shit together tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

not much town motivation in self-voting at L-4, imo!!

There's a take I didn't expect!

I'm town, but definitely lack of motivation yeah. nobody is even reading my fking posts about Mastina.

[Battle Mage]

I'd even argue that he *isn't* being suspected.

yes

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage
Fixing broken vote.
Also, should be noted--I believe Titus is good at reading Shiro, yes? (Shiro/Titus, feel free to weigh in there.) If I end up trusting Titus as town, and if my memory of this is accurate (that Titus can read Shiro well), then if Titus develops a Shiro stance, I'll probably sheep it.

If I counted correctly, the two votes already there + Panther/Fox + BM + Shiro + myself actually equals 6/7, so:

Battle Mage is at L-1

.
Bit closer than I thought, but not a lynch.

Battle Mage cannot self-hammer because he's already voting himself and if Panzer hammers BM then regardless of BM's alignment we lynch Panzer tomorrow, so I don't

think

we're at risk of him being lynched prematurely, butstill, something to keep in mind.

yes, it's quite clear by putting me at L-1 here, you are confident I won't be hammered without a claim.

VOTE: Battle Mage
Fixing broken vote.
Also, should be noted--I believe Titus is good at reading Shiro, yes? (Shiro/Titus, feel free to weigh in there.) If I end up trusting Titus as town, and if my memory of this is accurate (that Titus can read Shiro well), then if Titus develops a Shiro stance, I'll probably sheep it.

This is the second time you've put my reads as above others and it is day 1. I'll give you a tip, BM is likely town bc of the wagon reactions.

@Starbuck, mastina's look at me meta is an indication of her mental and physical health usually speaking and particularly early.

I'm glad you're town here Titus.

are u onna do a longer catchup? owuld you like me to unvote?

This is obvscum, making a conspicuous effort to be overtly gracious and helpful.

In the sense one came after the other but that's not what I mean by counterwagon. I'm meaning a competing wagon. There just isn't one and that sends up red flags unless the case is immensely strong.

Spoiler:

there's no case, a bunch of people are just open-aliening me because of "scummy vibes". It's the worst. Look at Tipsy first tomorrow - her parrotting Mastina is real bad, as is Mastina calling it out initially but then U-turning to defend it

dont have like, a thorough case on him. the slot has individually gotten a lot of thoughts on ppl's readslist. personally i thought his early play felt just off and like it was trying rly hard to earn a townread.
i think some of their arguments have been pretty big stretches to paint ppl as scummy also in ways that town would be less likely to make (ie thinking it's suspicious that my readslist is similar to mastina despite the progression i outlined), though that can be more of a personality tell i suppose. also the selvote i still believe is Bad.

In the sense one came after the other but that's not what I mean by counterwagon. I'm meaning a competing wagon. There just isn't one and that sends up red flags unless the case is immensely strong.

i mean BM has a lot of independent scumreads. i gues i see ur point altho tbf, there's been a decent amount of lurkslots and scum being ijn those could explain the lack of a scum counterattack

I don't buy your defence on the readslist for a second. You didn't just mimic almost all of her reads, but also used the same language which indicates quite clearly that you read her list and just re-worked it.

I think the term "independent scumreads" is misplaced. The reads on me appear entirely dependent, which is why my wagon is riddled with scum trying to get rid of me because I crumbed a good PR earlier, and they're probably scared of my brilliance and obvtowniness.

[Battle Mage]

These votes on Shiro aren't sitting well with me (at the point that they happened). However, now looking at Shiro's ISO, it's absolutely atrocious. If we want a prime example of fluff posting, this ISO is it. I'm not sure if that's a worthwhile D1 elim or not just yet.

There are three possible worlds given these two things, of the Shiro votes being bad yet Shiro's iso being fairly lackluster. Least likely to most likely,
1: The votes you think are bad aren't, and come from town that correctly suspect Shiro is scum. (Doubtful.)
2: The votes you think are bad ARE bad, and come from scum bussing scum because the players voting Shiro are predominantly scum but so is Shiro, too. (Also somewhat doubtful, but less impossible than the above imo.)
3: The votes you think are bad ARE bad, and come from scum voting bad-town who is an easy target to vote, because nobody would really shed a tear if Shiro was lynched and flipped town and the lynch would have virtually no accountability to it. But despite how Shiro does legitimately look bad, Shiro is still town.

This is what I find most likely.

Panzer Is this typical of mastina?

Panzer is literally the worst player in this playerlist to ask about my meta. A much better one would be our new replacement,

Titus. She might not be the best, but she's still fairly reliable.

Non-game-related, but I find the way you talk about every other player like you are better than them as completely unnecessary, condescending and rude.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I'm ready to ascend.

Lynch Mastina tomorrow though, or I'll haunt you.

Basically scum claim

Vote:Battle Mage

Opportunistic much? Also, statistically, the majority of players who try and mislynch a player with the bogus justification "he claimed scum", are scum themselves looking to artificially strengthen the appearance of their vote.

[Battle Mage]

I don't buy your defence on the readslist for a second. You didn't just mimic almost all of her reads, but also used the same language which indicates quite clearly that you read her list and just re-worked it.

lmfao nope!

ffs, I was going for 5 consecutive posts to piss Starbuck off. Now I have to start again.

And that's a lame and transparent defence, which you'll doubtless get away with because town has no momentum, which is why I can't care about this game. It reminds me a bit of that Wrestling mafia game where there was no cohesion towards any possible scum-lynch. Write-off.

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

If I'm getting lynched anyway, may as well force scum to actually work for it.

[Battle Mage]

i mean what else am i supose to say im my defense? ur saying i legit copied and paraphased mastina's readslist... well, i didnt. also like... u tink masina is scum too. so why on earth would i copy my PRATNERS readslist?

you're not necessarily both scum, but it's inconceivable you're both town.

[Battle Mage]

∑（｡･Д･｡）??? Why not?

Because I wanted to see if the questions would lead anywhere without us having to prompt him. You get more results that way.

(๑•̌.•̑๑)ˀ̣ˀ̣ You had Tux as a scumread, but are voting panzer for voting me? And what about my question I asked you earlier?

I can't answer this because I'm not Fox

Sorry guys my partner has basically dipped on me and I wasn't prepared to play this game alone but I'm trying to get back into it.
~Panther

Can I get whichever one of you thought I was town back?

[Battle Mage]

I may as well claim for completeness.

I'm Ootsuka Akio. My main role is that I choose the audition prize each day from a list of options (which I crumbed since the beginning obviously). My audition bonus was that if I won an audition I'd get a 1-shot disabler against a player on the scumteam (if I guess correctly) which means they couldn't NK or use any other abilities.

[Battle Mage]

if ur executed do the audition prizes go away?

yes obviously

[Battle Mage]

Does this play into your choice on to vote/not vote BM? (It shouldn't)

obviously she's more interested in seeing how scum can exploit the prizes rather than worrying about whether I'm town or scum.

[Battle Mage]

what the fuck lol
see this is why i think ur scum. ur mind jumps to the most out there possibility. like, me asking u about ur role shouldnt be especially towny or scummy. maybe u do have some reason to nudge it one way or the other in ur mind. but the mindset u present is

legit

baffling.

Legit = honesty tell here I think.

it's not "out there". Rather than showing any real interest in my alignment, before or after my claim, your priority was asking about whether the benefits of my role would be available after you killed me. Scum strategising about how to get best value from auditions makes more sense than opportunistic town.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Predictable!

I'm hoping at least, in death I've managed to out the whole scumteam.

[Battle Mage]

ur just throwin shit at th wall to see what sticks xD

on the contrary, unlike you, I'm actually scumhunting using tangible and verifiable arguments and logic.

Maybe I'm a mafia genius....

[Battle Mage]

cuddle accepted :'(

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage is ben shapiro as a mafia player.

watch him take this as a complement, lmao.

I have no idea who that is. I'll assume as it's coming from you, it's not a compliment and you just poached it from Mastina.

[Battle Mage]

I want to cuddle BM and tell him it'll be ok regardless of his alignment. He reminds me of when I started. Also, mastina wasn't disrespecting me as a player. She knows I hate meta but my hating meta still has more meta knowledge than most.

I like meta.

In Saw Mafia, you were town and you were nice and reasonable to me, despite the fact i was being a twat.

In GPick Mafia, you were scum and tried to kill me to death because I had a post restriction and couldn't defend myself.

Easy townread innit.

[Battle Mage]

I want to cuddle BM and tell him it'll be ok regardless of his alignment. He reminds me of when I started. Also, mastina wasn't disrespecting me as a player. She knows I hate meta but my hating meta still has more meta knowledge than most.

I like meta.

In Saw Mafia, you were town and you were nice and reasonable to me, despite the fact i was being a twat.

In GPick Mafia, you were scum and tried to kill me to death because I had a post restriction and couldn't defend myself.

Easy townread innit.[/quote
It shouldn't be. That's exactly how meta shouldn't be used. If you use meta, it's about personality and deviations from their personal meta. Here, your argument boils down into Titus is not coming after me so she must be town.

Why can't I be scum whiteknighting you?

i dont think there's any value in scum white-knighting me here as nobody is even really playing, and it's pretty obvious the scum are all over my wagon.

it's not just about whether you're "coming after me" or not anyway. it's about whether you are trying to genuinely read me, or just being cynical. It's only 2 games but there was a stark difference between the two. And it carries more weight if you don't even care about meta and are trying to downplay it.

[Battle Mage]

Shiro can I has cookie? I need one if we're lynching BM. Humility would go a long way but BM is being very self-righteous. That being said, I think BM is town who thinks he's got the game solved.

humility from me?

i just hope you trust my reads (I'm getting better(ish) lately!)

[Battle Mage]

i apologise starbuck, it was rude of me

[Battle Mage]

will catch up when i have time, unless im already dead

[Battle Mage]

...the fact mafia won this game is a complete miracle. Massive kudos to the guys who replaced in and made it happen, especially jks obviously.

Bravo!

[Battle Mage]

So uhhh. Well that didn't go so well. A lot of the troubles came from the sheer number of replacements. I don't know what actually went wrong, but I know a part of it is from my questionable modding so I truly apologize from that.

Also setup perspective, aside from a number of items I should have made clearer, I do agree with someone saying that this is heavily scumsided. All three scums have insane powers compared to a number of towns having gated abilities, or in some case, negative. The audition should have been a separate phase for less interference; also because it seems to me that a number of people never utilized the mechanic. The game lasting off to Final 3 is beyond my expectations, though.

Anyways, if you still enjoyed the game with all that aside then that's cool to hear. Sorry for any mistakes and I hope to try do better next game. Or the same, I don't know. I'll try anyway.

No issue with your modding. Definitely didn't feel the game was scum-sided, we may have had power roles but they were very complicated and there was far too much info hidden from the 'informed minority' which placed town at a big advantage. My main frustration was the amount of people (scum and town alike) lazily coasting and not really thinking, and a minority of town players spamming and browbeating made it feel like a real chore to post. I did feel bad for the players who were trying though, and fair play to them. I think the lack of engagement is a problem with heavily themed games in general, so don't take it personally!