Mini Normal 2149 | Philosophers | Over

[NorwegianboyEE]

Checking for interest in a lynch and creating one is quite similar. And i would see both done by town as well as scum. I just find it sad that this seems to be all your reasoning behind believing me to be scum. Essentially a non-thing. Much like GL pushing me for "formal language."

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ehehe~
I'm too cute to lynch aren't i.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Glitch
Do you townread NDMath?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No. I was actually checking if you had team equity to scum!NDMath.
But if you want to vote there you’re welcome.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Looker is always weird.

Can you elaborate?

He always seems to conjure his reads from cryptic nonsense and moon logic. Regardless of alignment. Making him hard to read.
My comment was mostly Intended as a light hearted joke though, but it’s true that i think he is a weird slot interact with.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No. His defense has literally just been "I don't understand what y'all are saying," and "I'm self conscious, don't read me hard." And GL basically nails him with his own meta in 878 with quotes. Are you trying to pull my vote onto your wagon like you did with mavs?

The way ND comes across... the way he has this kind of self assurance leads me to think he's Town.

Sigh...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Think about how blatantly ND is OMGUSing GL for a moment...

That's not something i would townread him for.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norway,

Don't you find it a little strange how easily Glitch sheeped you on ND?

I do think he could be scum assuming NDMath!Town. As for strange idk, he didn't seem to talk much about NDMath before so you might have a point there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Think about how blatantly ND is OMGUSing GL for a moment...

That's not something i would townread him for.

Why not?

Because scum can easily OMGUS.
...That's a towntell to you? What makes you think scum!him couldn't or wouldn't have that sort of reaction?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norway,

Don't you find it a little strange how easily Glitch sheeped you on ND?

I do think he could be scum assuming NDMath!Town. As for strange idk, he didn't seem to talk much about NDMath before so you might have a point there.

Answer my other question.

I was answering it you dweeb.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Go back and reread the way he built his case on GL.

I tried, but it's hard when i don't wear your rose tinted glasses on NDMath's slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*kicks down door*

Now this is a player list!

Which of the players are inciting this reaction from you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Welcome Blair. The guy you replaced was pushing for a nolynch, so you have a lot to live up to

I don't think i've ever seen a scum slot advocate for no lynch and site flake. I'm pretty sure they're town unless specifically proven otherwise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I offered to sub for this game when Rozyroz needed a replacement, and suspected that might be a scum slot.

Looks like we're on the same wavelength currently.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Blair
Why did you suspect it was a scum slot when Rozyroz needed the replacement?

[NorwegianboyEE]

are there any philosophers that arent old white dudes or nah

Old Chinese dudes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I really didn’t like NDMath’s recent post and it definiteky made me think of a "caught scum" vibe like Osuka said. He’s literally agreeing that his play this game adheres to his scum meta.

[NorwegianboyEE]

By some of the meta argument it supports the conclusion I'm scum this game so I'm bringing it up before someone else does.

Ok? So you are scum.
Well that was easy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*drink*

i'm only two beers deep and honestly i can tell you it is not enough for this shit

Your push on Truth is ass.
Vote NDMath.

[NorwegianboyEE]

"Cryptic nonsense" is an insult. Also, I would ask Norway to identify whose logic he feels is definitive. I feel ignorance is the very essence of Mafia, and I question where Norway would get such confidence to feel differently. Especially with their W-L record.

My win rate as town has been considerably good lately. Don’t be a dick.
Sure i’ve done pretty bad as scum, but bringing up W - L record is not nice.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Deimos

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm 90% sure Truth's claim will resolve by itself at some point later in the game. But assuming nothing proves their claim for like 2/3 day cycles we should probably take a serious look at whether or not it's a scum gambit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either Truth will be confirmed town or confirmed scum in a couple of days. So there's no point lynching him right now. Especially since i believe the slot is most likely town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sure, but pressure would be better put elsewhere right now was my point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Osuka
What are you current scumreads right now anyway?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Blair
Can you say your other reads too?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't explicitly townread CSF as strongly as my other townreads. So i don't think a push there would be bad, but i'd much rather just keep wagoning NDMath for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually Blair, unless you plan to case CSF hard and get a lot of people on your side, i'd much prefer it if you joined the NDMath wagon since it's got more votes and game needs a lynch right now. I sense apathy with the lack of posting lately.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why you gotta be white knighting the scum Quick.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Quick
Main gripe i have with your read on NDMath is that it makes no sense to me. What are you townreading him for? Confidence? I don’t see any confidence from him, he’s been choosing a safe stance of scumreading GL which is easy for scum to do because it would have been following in my footsteps.
His defense against my argument was meek and showed no confidence whatsoever. He was basically just saying: "Yup, you’re right. I can’t argue with you." Why would town!him do that? He’s scum that’s been coasting and don’t have anything to say in his defense when he was caught out for it except keep up an pretense of solving and voting yesterday’s wagon on GL.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why you gotta be white knighting the scum Quick.

This is the first I have heard you think I am Scum. Mind fleshing that out a bit?

No. I don’t think you’re scun. I’m asking why you, are white knighting scum!NDMath.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh shit, burn.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, i’m cuter.
Don’t even try you fiend.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Getting traction on Glitch is a lot harder than I thought it would be. Especially considering very few(?) people are actually TRing them. Resistance probably means they have a better shot at being Scum.

Isn't this true of pretty much all the vanity wagons right now?

No. 4 people are voting for ND for shit reasons IMO.

Is it possible to be so blinded? Your reason for townreading NDMath are extremely weak and based on some personal bias you haven’t even explained well. While arguments on things NDMath has said that are genuinely scummy has been ignored by you.
What’s your take on NDMath’s post 986? Did you like what was said?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've said ND is Town. It's only a matter of time for the rest of Town to see it. That wagon is going to disappear.

Or we could just bypass you entirely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

"Quick, how's the weather where you live?"

"No, I don't want to move to Botswana."

"...Huh?"

"Try to keep up Blair, good lord."

Thanks for making me laugh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually Blair, unless you plan to case CSF hard and get a lot of people on your side, i'd much prefer it if you joined the NDMath wagon since it's got more votes and game needs a lynch right now. I sense apathy with the lack of posting lately.

this is an odd post from a slot that is otherwise fairly towny

This is an odd shade from a slot that has otherwise mostly ignored me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But i do not see why he would be town. Can you explain your position a bit better?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Blair, stop bully. We’ve got bigger things to worry about than Quick’s failings.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not sure i’m feeling either a Glitch or CSF lynch today, but i could definitely go for either NDMath or Osuka.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow, take a look at this guy Quick. He actually knows how to argue convincingly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: osuka

I think I prefer this over Glitch, who I'm not sure isn't just new town who scumreads people for not explaining reads.

Mainly sheeping Nauci's metacase tbh. I also think him forgetting to use his vote is scum indicative

You convinced me.
VOTE: Osuka

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn i could go for a lynch soon. I think i might be willing to compromise on any wagon that isn’t explicitly one of my townreads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn u arrogant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Popo
What reason would scum!CSF hace for defending NDMath? Unless you’re saying they are scum buddies.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn u arrogant.

What is your definition of arrogant. My guess is it's different than mine because you are a younger generation than me.

Thinking your reads are so awesome on day 1 that scum will kill you on night 1 is my definition of arrogance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wish we'd get a lynch soon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We've got 50 pages of content. I think we're in a decent position to solve the game as soon as we get a couple of flips. We can't stay in day 1 fucking forever. I don't care if i'm called out as anti-town player for saying it, these are my honest feelings.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it's actually more anti-town to keep posting until we have a 100 page day 1 because it's going to become a huge chore to read back on the game with the knowledge of flips further down the line if you need to casually stroll through eternal pages of content. Making it harder to see things from the bigger perspective.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you talk to me a bit about why you switched from NDMath to osuka here?

This post: 1144.
Also i didn't like Osuka's post: 1086

[NorwegianboyEE]

But Norwe if we don't use every last second of our deadline the lynch will effectively be a coin flip you anti town buffoon

Exactly.
Also, a vote is only valid if you wait 3 IRL days and casually type the word "vote player" with your toes while sipping a glass of wine almost as if the vote was a casual afterthought distracting you from the real business you were doing.
Honestly, i wish people would learn to play like real PROS on this site. These plebeians thinking we shouldn't completely maximise our wincon by using every single second on the deadline and having every player available to hammer a wagon at 1 second before deadline are completely disgusting and should be wiped clean from the forum for the sake of our site's purity.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you talk to me a bit about why you switched from NDMath to osuka here?

This post: 1144.
Also i didn't like Osuka's post: 1086

What didn't you like about 1086?

I thought there was nothing weird about my post, so i didn't understand why he'd bring up it as an "odd" post. I also wish he'd elaborate why he said it now that i think about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The stupid argument between Quick/Blair aside. I agree that there are still a couple of low-presence slots that i'd like to see more content from if possible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

GuiltyLion casually ignoring this game once suspicion had lowered on him is bothering me tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

quit shading me like this Norway, it's absolute garbage.

But i like shading you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You were much more enjoyable and pro-town in that Newbie game and you'd be better off trying to learn from that as opposed to whatever this is

You scumread me hard in the newbie game multiple times.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you've got a selective memory or something, i'm not really playing all that differently here.

Anyway, i'm completely fine ending the day in a Osuka lynch today. So unless there are strong dissenting opinions i'd like it if we just made a lynch happen soon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

maybe that's partly my fault for opening with a push on you

Why yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can forgive you for the awful opening, it's just that it's made me perhaps a bit unnecessarily paranoid about your slot.
Sorry.

[NorwegianboyEE]

1276 is such a ridiculous post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@GuiltyLion
I promise to not bring up activity levels again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Could you check his last few mafia games to see if it is true and his activity is much reduced in those games?

I’ll confirm it for you. It is most definitely true.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve had scumgames where i did high activity even if i usually post less though. So i don’t want to treat it as an absolute thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s 03:00 AM and i’m playing mafia. Summer really fucks with one’s day night rythm doesn’t it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You keep saying the Osuka wagon grew too fast. Can you expand on which votes bother you and why you feel that way Blair?

[NorwegianboyEE]

As of like 15 pages ago I felt very confident that GL is town and somewhat confident that Osuka is scum

Did any major developments happen which indicate otherwise

Nah i think i've gotten to that point too. The blowback on this wagon also makes me wonder if we hit the nail on the head and scum is trying to stop it from happening.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It would in that case be useful to look across people's games and compare who is posting more or less than average on Day 1. Should we try it? In alphabetical order, I could look for the top 3 people if you look for the next 3. mavsfan for the next 3. GuiltyLion for the next 3, and NorwegianboyEE for the final 1.

What do you mean at the end there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick isn’t mafia. But insane rants have come from scum as well sometimes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Osuka why are you not voting?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because you are tryharding.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, and most of your positions and progression look very legit. Which is hard for scum to fake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re like the most obvtown player here. Second to Truth.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nothing happened to consolidating wagons. I decided GuiltyLion deserved go be a contender in that race.

GL is Town. Why expand the lynch pool? Why do you think osuka should be in the lynch pool when you think he is Town?

I don't want osuka in the lynch pool genius. I told Nauci he was because he was the top wagon at the time so obviously he is in the lynch pool right now. I never said I *wanted* him there. You're smarter than this. I hope.

Why is osuka Town?

Why am I not?

Scummy reply. Fact of the matter is that it's your job to make yourself look town, not shift the blame on to people that vote you because they don't see any town motivation behind your posts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That is L-1

[NorwegianboyEE]

Those of you who are scum, good job getting my wagon to this point

Who are you congratulating?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Osuka, Osuka~

His posts were mostly filler
Wasted the day tunneling a mason miller.

Mhmm. *Snapping fingers*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Partly his behavior. As I said earlier, he keeps allowing himself to get baited into pointless slapfights with poor optics.

Sure, here's another way to look at it. He's done basically nothing except argue about pointless shit to look like he's doing something. Sounds like scum play to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The towncase on Osuka seems to boil down to: "He's too scummy to be scum". And i'd rather just PoE those slots early than let their shenanigans continue.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The only noteworthy read of Osuka right now is CSF!Scum. And he's basically done nothing to convince us of it other than say "he be playing scummy". And saying scum is on his wagon. (no indication of who though)

[NorwegianboyEE]

More points towards Osuka!scum: His main scumread right now is the main counterwagon on him, which seems opportunistic considering his lack of substance in outlining his scumreads. And his vibe right now feels very much like caught scum that's just giving up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

... He gave up because you called him a sadist?

What doesn't make sense for you? His reaction is pretty demotivating from his perspective given his content after that. I don't see a clearer thing that shows the drop in him not caring.

Or how about the fact that a lot of players are calling him scum? Pretty much the only one openly defending him right now has been Blair.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This really isn't the time to be vanity wagoning.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm starting to question whether this town even has the ability to just agree on a lynch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it’s indicative of scum!Osuka how he’s been L-1 and L-2 yet isn’t lynched.

@Popopo
@Mavsfan

Where do you two stand on this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Main thing holding me back from seeing CSF as a lynch is that i don’t understand why scum!CSF would defend NDMath unless they were scum buddies. NDMath!town i’d assume scum!CSF would just let the wagon develop and become a mislynch.
1144

[NorwegianboyEE]

im ok with an osuka or cat scratch lynch

VOTE: csf

Voting twice to make your counterwagon look more valid?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Osuka, you might as well claim with that intent.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can we get a lynch already HOLY-FREAKING-CRAP!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm a bit surprised he claimed VT as scum here

It's not that unusual for me. If your role is mafia goon for example then it makes much more sense to play it safe and claim VT so you don't need to keep up a PR facade for later. It's also good for WIFOM because people will think "oh, if he was scum he would probably not claim VT."
But yeah, it might point to town!him too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess it's NAI at best for him to claim VT here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah, scum would just stall this lynch for all eternity. Unless they’re all on the wagon already i don’t see why town!Osuka wouldn’t be hammered yet.
It’s because he is mafia and sxmcum don’t wanna buss.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think math was a good lynch candidate today

You spent most of today just voting Quick and ranting at Truth. If you'd pushed more for genuinely scummy slots or did that anything that resembled being townie i'd probably reconsider being fine with lynching you today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Popopopopopopo

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are vigs always so bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick and Truth both not dying on night 1 fills me with such guilty pleasure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Popopo, i FOS you based on these current flips and your play yesterday.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick. What’s your reads elsewhere? I do not want to do Truth today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do not want to do Truth today.

Wut? Why not?

Because i think they’re town.
Why would a mafia fake claim mason early day 1? Especially if they are relatively inexperienced.
I do not think scum!him would be that cunning. Also i don’t see very much scum motivation from their posts.
Lynching them for their claim alone is probably what the real scum is banking on. Therefore i do not want to lynch there today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just as there is little reason for town there is little reason for scum.
You need to think as a newbie, not a crack mafia player. Newb!town would think it’s a good idea while newb!scum wouldn’t even consider the possibility of fucking fake claiming "mason miller".
Try to think a little bit clever lmao. Lynching Truth would be playing right into scums hands of forcing his mason teammate to claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Talking to you is like talking to a tree.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pretending to be newbie? Really?
How fucking deluded are you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Truth. No. I think more they wanted you to live because they saw bigger targets such as GuiltyLion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No way CSF was the scum motivated kill. They were worried about his presence while vig shot CSF because they thought counterwagon= on scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No way CSF was the scum motivated kill. Mafia were worried about GuiltyLion’s presence while vig shot CSF because they thought counterwagon= on scum.

EBWOP

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick

Your reads elsewhere?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who said we have a cop?
You know there have been setups with miller and no cops right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What’s your read on Popopo and adjacent slots? Can you please stop ignoring my question in favour of your shitty tunnel on Truth?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t mind this for now actually.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sure. But keep in mind i have a plan. So don’t go acting like i planned what i’ll do later based on later developments. I just want to see what happens without putting my cards on the table early.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You have no idea what you’re even talking about do you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have a guilty on Popopo. Happy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But I at least believe that you are right popo is Scum.

So you believe something incredibly stupid like me/Truth are scum and i’m bussing scum!Popopopo? Just calling it now so you don’t embarass yourself. That’s not correct. I’ve got a specific guilty on Popopo and that’s why i think he is a 10 times better lynch than Truth today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because he was the slot i was most uncertain about my TR on. And i wanted to check someone on the Osuka wagon that i’d find most likely to be scum jumping on. Popopo fit the mark with him jumping on towards the middle without elaborating his read much.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was hoping for this to be a more naturally developing wagon where i’d see who would fight against the lynch. But Quick kinda pissed me off with his posts so i outed a bit prematurely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's an even night something, and odd night Doc, a cop, a vig, and at least 2 masons one of them being miller? I think not.

The only thing that’s remotely confirmed so far is the doc. Stop your dumbass setup spec and think more like who is playing like scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A vig too. I’ll give you that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Popopo can you claim?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So much for "scum will night kill me on day 1 because my reads are so fucking good" Quick.
You’re in for a reality check bro.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When I get killed N1, please look at who I said was Scum and who I said was Town.

But you did say you would be killed N1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, fair warning that i’m going to try to mostly ignore you until i get some 1v1 with Popopo. Don’t stand in my way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not responding will be taken as a tacit approval of being caught scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually, it makes sense that Truth is SK.

There is exactly one anti-town group of at least two players, and no other anti-town factions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm a vt

Ok, you're scum.
I'm a odd-night gunsmith.
You are positive to having a gun. I was checking to see if you were a vigilante as that was the only way you'd counterclaim me. But you didn't. So you're confirmed mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum might have a framer or some shit

Basically proving yourself to not be vigilante as you honestly believed i was a cop that checked you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let's talk real now. Who's the most likely teammates to scum!Popopo?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm thinking Glitch could be likely teammate. Possibly Looker as well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

popopopopopopo

(4): GuiltyLion, Truth, LicketyQuickety, Glitch

Maybe not Glitch based on this VC though. NDMath maybe?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Truth is probably SK

There is no SK in this setup as confirmed by the mod.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm pretty sure on Looker being scum with him tbh. But the second one i'm still unsure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway is doing a gambit.

Can you stop trying to be so dense that i'm reconsidering whether you're actually scum for being so anti-town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If he flips scum we should zoom in on Blair who has said nothing useful about popo literally at all, and Nauci because she has only defended him:

Maybe Blair, not sure i agree about Nauci though. Popopo's ISO has him voting her for bad reasons in D1. Either a lame attempt at buss or they are not alligned. Check more suspicious slots first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cat Scratch Fever

(2): popopopopopopo, Blair

Hmm...? I never liked the CSF wagon. Blair joined it with Popopopo... Scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

False.

There is exactly one anti-town group of at least two players, and no other anti-town factions.

False.

There is exactly one anti-town group of at least two players, and no other anti-town factions.

False.

There is exactly one anti-town group of at least two players, and no other anti-town factions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick, i've never seen you act this stupid.

Are you ok?

Do you need a cold shower?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gunsmiths don't even spot miller as guilty, bro. What's the point of a miller mason if mason is already a named Townie?

The miller part of the miller mason is a red herring meant to make people FALSELY believe this setup has a cop.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There is exactly ONE anti-town faction. (The mafia)
If we had mafia + SK there would be TWO anti-town factions.

Do you understand how the game works now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gunsmiths don't even spot miller as guilty, bro. What's the point of a miller mason if mason is already a named Townie?

The miller part of the miller mason is a red herring meant to make people FALSELY believe this setup has a cop.

That's just WIFOM bro. Why are you hard defending Truth so bad?

I'm not even going to respond to you anymore due to the colossal headaches i'm getting just from trying to understand how your mind works.
Keep doing whatever you do. I don't need you to have scum!Popopo lynched. You're literally the only player here that is unable to understand basic logic as opposed to following your own lunacy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Makes sense you’d bring up Trump. You remind me of him.

@Deimos Please confirm this game do not have a SK.

[NorwegianboyEE]

P-Edit: Yes @MOD, please confirm this is a normal game without SK.

Not that this confirmation is remotely necessary for me. It's simply to blow your small mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow guys. Are you trying to cover up for "Truth’s terrible play." with this basic elementary lesson of normals in mafia?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am the vig I shot cat scratch. I knew it was a non legit guilty because I am town, so I fake claimed vt because I knew its a fake guilty. I didnt consider gunsmith in that decision and that's me being dumb.

I don’t believe you. If you were a vig you should have been honest from the start.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The fact that you claimed VT and only retconned it to Vig when i claimed is lynch-worthy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If there’s a real vig i suggest thwm to just claim right now. It’s better to lynch than shoot a scum. Shot’s can be interferred with. Lynches are eternal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t agree with this push on Truth still.
If people absolutely do not trust him i suggest a mass claim would be better. That way we can PoE the lynch pool in a smart manner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't trust popopo or Blair, so following a plan they've proposed doesn't work for me.
I don't know which major wagons popopo is referring to. Also, how could town being wagoned point to an inactive scumteam?

These are really good points and i'm not sure i trust Blair either at this point. I feel like a Popopo/Blair team has equity.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

Why did you have to be scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think the right move here is for us to collectively decide who Popo should shoot tonight.

Why do you believe him?!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok.

Popopo Vig Tonight: Truth

VOTE: NDMath

That should clear up quite a few things I think?

*barf*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wasn't CSF the other major wagon yesterday? I feel like that's a reasonable vig shot?

No. CSF wagon was lame.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who should we be looking at, without taking popopo into consideration?

To be honest i don't really know. I've been way too focused on Popopo looking scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i'd just chalk up my main townreads and then PoE from there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If there’s a real vig i suggest thwm to just claim right now. It’s better to lynch than shoot a scum. Shot’s can be interferred with. Lynches are eternal.

If you think he's mafia, wouldn't fake claiming vig be fishing for a counterclaim instead of trying to survive the night?

That is, wouldn't vig counterclaiming be what he was going for?

Most likely that is what he'd be going for. As scum!him wouldn't have much else to gain in that current situation since he's clearly not going for the "Norwee is faking the guilty" route anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If mafia has doctor then it would make the idea of having vig shoot the scum over lynching them even more foolish.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'n starting to think a mass claim is a good idea by the second.
Like Truth, would you be heavily opposed to outing your mason buddy (assuming you have one) today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did you suggest not lynching him because you wanted to shoot him?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes.

Why would you wait with not lynching confirmed scum and taking the risk of you being blocked/mafia doctor being in setup rather than lynching him on that day and then attempting to shoot one of his teammates the ensuing night?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sad!

What's sad is your attempts at looking town today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Might as well MC at this point

Let's not btw. I think it's pretty obvious we've got what we need. A vig counterclaim on you was all i really wanted to see.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No one wanted to follow my plan, so here we are.

Yeah, because your plan sucked. I suggest we just lynch Popopo today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Might as well MC at this point

Let's not btw. I think it's pretty obvious we've got what we need. A vig counterclaim on you was all i really wanted to see.

I think we should MC. Why do you want to deny town information?

Lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

"Please out more PR's guys! I'm not scum i promise!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

You outed urself as gunsmith, you outed me as vig, and csf is a dead doctor.

No, a more accurate timeline would be=
I crumb cop. You claim VT and that i'm faking my guilty. I reveal actually being gunsmith, which completely screwed over your plan, you then reveal actually being a vigilante, then someone counterclaims you being a vigilante.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I crumb cop. You claim VT and that i'm faking my guilty. I reveal actually being gunsmith, which completely screwed over your plan,

What is his plan in this scenario?

To make me look like scum obviously. What else is there for caught scum to do in that situation?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would I out my PR in response to a guilty investigation I know to be false

He said he had an investigation on you. If you're a Vigilante, and someone claims a guilty investigation on you, you immediately know they are a Gunsmith (or Psychologist).

If you're scum and someone claims a guilty investigation on you, you can't be certain what the investigation was.

Your uncertainty gave you away.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Keep in mind. I never specifically stated what my "guilty" was. In fact i stated it was a "very specific guilty" in a previous post. This should have clued you in, but instead you immediately assumed i was a cop. Which proves your scum mindset.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is this the hill you want to die on Quick? I don't think i've ever seen a mini normal with a serial killer. In fact, i think it's explicitly stated it's not NORMAL. Only for large games is it acceptable to include a third faction.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you are very good at scum Quick? Noted.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah, obvscum is siding with you Quick. Maybe time to think things through again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You just proved her point...

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwegianboyEE has been killed Night 2.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well played scum. That was a smooth victory. Town fell into shambles.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Truth, that was an awful play. Just claim your true role next time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

10/10 would lynch/policy vig/tunnel the miller mason claim again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because even though you spewed yourself town, you also spouted a ton of crackpot theories, scumread blair, and even scumread me over Popopo when it was freaking obvious he was scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Glitch
It’s more like i tend to spam posts and argue a lot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is this about standard for how long games run and how active they are? Day 1 I was really struggling. I mean there were 2 or 3 days I spent 5 hours reading and writing in this game and it was just really intense. Part of that was because I was playing more careful as scum and didn't want to slip up. But part of it was just the sheer volume of content on D1. Is this normal? Cause I want to play again but if this is normal I'm gonna head over to that Geriatric thread and see if they want to start up a slower paced game because that was just so intense.

It’s tiresome for you because you do deep analyzis. Most of the time i’m just saying whatever’s on my mind. It’s a playstyle clash that makes it harder for you to keep up, and with the added fact that you’re scum trying to formulate strategiez it does make it take much more time for you. I’m not saying either of us are more "correct" in our approach. But that’s how it turns out when we play together. LQ was another high poster so that adds up to a lot of content.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I had a scum read on Glitch on day 1 because everything was technically correct in the posts, but they always happened IRL-days or several pages after everyone else had the thoughts. Later on in the game though I felt like I was just desperately hoping the sane players are town ;_;

It's always difficult when only scum are the remaining voices of reason.