2020 scum league fantasy football

[PJ.]

In because this season is going to be an absolute shit show.

[PJ.]

I'll fill it out when it's closer due to having a clearer idea of my schedule.

[PJ.]

I though about making everyone taking the wondelic.

I'm down.

[PJ.]

Still no draft order.

[PJ.]

Nah, no trades. We've never done trades.

[PJ.]

Straight will sabotage the league if there's a trade.

[PJ.]

I think we’re talking draft order trades, but I do know that Panzer is anti-normal trade as well for some reason

It’s L1 so theoretically his reasoning of “people are bad and make bad trades” shouldn’t hold for his league?

People are bad and make bad trades 100% holds for this league.

Also, this isn't a dynasty league. There's no reason(or risk) to trade draft slots because there are no assets. Also it negates the whole point of doing a preset draft order in general, because the people w/ desirable draft slots can all switch for their desired spot while someone with a shit slot..like say...7 is just stuck. Also like I said, there are no assets. Like bruh, the order is the order. The only way i'd allow switching the order is if you bid and that went to a pot at the end of the season, other wise just take your slot you got assigned and bitch at KMD for not setting slots until less than 24 hours before the draft.

[PJ.]

I feel good about the first six rounds of my draft. Everything after that is quite scary and if Cook gets hurt again I am doomed because my team has no depth.

Panzerjager's official draft recap disagrees.

[PJ.]

See...i have the chance to be brave here and tell you how I really feel, but fantasy football is stupid and this year is stupid and my more reasonable side seems to be prevailing so I'll say this: You did good on the only 2 picks that matter and even if you end up waiver wiring/benching like 2/3rds of your team, that's honestly probably par for the course in fantasy, especially in a year this dumb.

[PJ.]

ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE REMINDS AGAR HOW TO SUCK EGGS, MOTHERFUCKERS.

This gif was so incredible live.

[PJ.]

"View your posts"

[PJ.]

Smh.

[PJ.]

Y would anyone give you an rb or wr for a qb or te. Lmao

[PJ.]

yes, u need literally the most scarce position and would like to trade away the least scarce positions. amazing. wonderful. such logic. this is literally why trades are stupid, because y'all brains are broken.

[PJ.]

Honestly a good TE can be pretty scarce and there are a lot of awful QBs that could use some replacing around the league

500 dollars says there's at least 1 te in your waiver pool that scored over 10 pts week 2 AND at least 1 qb in your waiver pool that scored 20 pts week 2.

There's *probably* more than 1 player that meet those requirements. Tyler Eifert basically scored 10, but we don't need to count him.

There's a *chance* only 1 rb scored over 10 in your waiver pool, probably not more than 2.

Idk know how to check it, but I'm also relatively certain that week 1 had a similar story, maybe not as many te over 10 but a handful of good options at just a shade under 10 with a couple guys over 10. But QBs were definitely available. And guess what? Week 3 will be a similar story. It's why good players stream those positions. And it's also why even considering trading an rb or a wr is sabotaging your league. In league 1(even if you ignore cam) "QB streamer" is the 6th best option at QB. TE streamer is 2nd.

So free QBs are being outperformed by russ by about 15 pts(if you ignore cam being on waivers). Unless you predicted the Nyheim Hines situation, you're not even close to that w/ RB. And if you did predict that Hines would score 20 pts week 1, then like...you probably won a milly maker and don't give a shit about this league.

Tl;dr, the literal free options are probably better than what you want someone to give you something for and if unless you are trading Allen, Murray, Wilson (or the two guys under the threshold that matter) the conversation isn't worth having. And the most that's even really reasonable to offer for those guys, is like...DeAndre swift.

[PJ.]

Lewis, McKinnon, Henderson? Or did one of you ding dongs not pick up Robinson?

[PJ.]

Spoiler: Current state of affairs in L1

Nobody kicks out of the falcon arrow.

[PJ.]

Yup

[PJ.]

Faab is literally the only non broken way

[PJ.]

I laughed

[PJ.]

also these settings have never been what I played with before I quit and tbh yall are justifying my quit

I'm p sure we normally play this way. The reason I'm sure of this is because mith refuses to let us play like it isn't 2005 and that 15 years of progress in the space of making fantasy football more fair, fun, competitive, and not completely reliant on what shit head wide receiver caught a td this week.

(I also recall a year where we at least started with reverse standings and I promptly threw my first game, picked up Phillip Lindsey week 1 and won the league easily)

Tl;dr all of our problems would be solved if we played ppr with faab waivers and I'm sorry that you're getting buttfucked bbm.

[PJ.]

What Reck is saying that the player that's in last place should get his or her top pick. The only thing that I see that might be a slight problem is if you...like you can still have close losses and a good team and then if you're in last place you just get to pad your team with the top WW pick while teams that are affected by injuries and such but might be getting by are getting so much worse.

More the issue is intentionally throwing for a higher waiver pick. I.e if say...Saquon Barkley gets hurt for the season in an early game, you should promptly bench all of your players to get the highest possible waiver slot you can manage. Or like I mentioned before, throw week 1 to get the highest waiver priority week 1 because if it works out, you get big rewards(in most Leagues would of netted you Justin Robinson but peg is a wizard and picked him up before week 1)

[PJ.]

imagine thinking that the last place team never gets the first waiver claim of the week...like its literally how the real nfl does it

This is not how it has been on this league or how the old standard was, but like I mentioned before, everything about this league is archaic.

[PJ.]

not like they actually know how football works keep hitting people with helmets btw

Miles Garrett is my hero, fuck duck rudolph

[PJ.]

I fucking hate best ball.

[PJ.]

[PJ.]

bruh..the reason why isn't even that complicated. It's cause it's samira. CMC gets hurt, you spend 100 on the best waiver running back, drop him when cmc comes back in 3 weeks and get all your money back, to put on streamers and what not.

[PJ.]

what advantage are you talking about? it would be the same as if somebody ragequit from the league.

if you let him dump his whole team onto the waivers it gives an unfair advantage to whoever picks up his best players that shouldn't have been dropped in the first place.

Nero being completely oblivious to how big of an asshole he is being about this truly tickles me.

[PJ.]

dude, the way you treated him was definitely fucked up and unquestionably not befitting of someone that runs the league, tbh. And the fact you don't understand that is as baffling as it is extraordinarily on brand for you. The way he responded wasn't great, but even your response to that was get several more shots in after he was already gone. People agreeing that BBM shouldn't of dumped his league doesn't mean you weren't being a complete dick.

[PJ.]

man, imagine having 0 self-awareness. incredible.

[PJ.]

PPR inflates points so we feel better about our team's failures

What a boomer take.

[PJ.]

I think usage based scoring (ppr) is just simply better than almost purely lucky based scoring (standard). Without ppr, winning basically becomes akin to "how many touchdowns did your receivers catch? And touchdowns being mostly luck based makes that question pretty dumb

[PJ.]

I think 1 in a normal year is fine. I think 3 or 4 this year would of been more than enough

[PJ.]

He's allegedly looking at KC, Chi, LV, NE, and Miami.

Only one that I think he'd get his draft value out of is mia in my opinion.

[PJ.]

lmao

[PJ.]

Who cares, it's a taco league

[PJ.]

Also, probably cooper because dak was throwing for like..380 yards a game and Dalton will throw for under 200 and it's probably going to shallower or interior targets.

[PJ.]

Imagine coding and being too dumb to realize that because rolling list rolls, you can be 1 all year if the entire league picks up a player every week and that averaging that just puts you in more of a hole.

[PJ.]

Looks like my luck has finally run out and we have no more perfect records in L1.

Nobody kicks out of the Falcon Arrow.

[PJ.]

Who is David Murrin and why do they keep proposing me offensively bad trades?

[PJ.]

Who is David Murrin and why do they keep proposing me offensively bad trades?

Why you overvalue your players so much lol.

If you mean when I offer you troll trades because you offer me players that are obviously trending downwards, then like..don't offer me bad trades? I'm willing to trade with you, but i'm obv going to troll you if you think I don't know who the fuck Zach Moss is.

[PJ.]

^ "let me give you a completely useless rb and a WR that'd be the 5th best wr on ur team for Josh Jacobs and one of the receivers ahead of the guy I'm offering."

[PJ.]

Oh, he offered another one, I'm assuming out of spite, but it's honestly not that much worse than the other ones.

[PJ.]

3rd player on my side is jacobs lol

[PJ.]

Yeah.

Last time was Singletary and Thielen for higgins and jacobs. First was Singletary for swift. Like bruh. Is everyone from PA this dumb?

[PJ.]

Sounds like a yes.

[PJ.]

I have 2 of the top 8 running backs in standard scoring and have gotten less than 10.9 points out of those 2 spots 7 out of the 18 times. 10.9 is fine.

[PJ.]

Multiple weeks seems like wishful thinking considering Carson and Hyde both almost played this week and Penny is returning somewhat soon.

[PJ.]

Also who could have predicted Vrabel would go full galaxy brain this week with ideas like "give my tight end goal line carries" and "cut a serviceable backup punter and sign a FedEx guy to take his place"

My point was more like...12 dudes at that position are averaging 10.9 pts a game(or more], and you *probably* don't have 3 of them

[PJ.]

Idk...if you waited until Saturday to figure out who your starting running back is, you can't really say putting a dude on waivers Sunday morning is a dick move imo.

I.e I have a running back on bye this week. His replacement was sorted out a week ago.

[PJ.]

I think I just have to beat aronis and it's over

[PJ.]

Who is David Murrin and why do they keep proposing me offensively bad trades?

Thanks for rejecting Thielen for Swift. I really was buying high and selling low.

All of my receivers are better than him. Best case scenario was I flipped him for a running back, which was never happening.

[PJ.]

League 1 is a disaster.

[PJ.]

She wins the division based on division record if it finishes in a 3 way tie, cause she'd be 4-2 in the division, while D3F and I would be 3-3.

I think this is her only path in unless she out scores me by by 156 pts.

[PJ.]

Weird

[PJ.]

And like..relegation is also like...not locked. Aronis and rolling thunder can't make playoffs, but them, peg, yiley, and tally can all still be relegated or safe. It's an actual mess.

[PJ.]

We're not complaining. We're just kind of stating that it's tiebreaker city.

Also, we're more talking about variance. There was a chance up until literally yesterday afternoon that the 2nd highest scorer in the did make playoffs. There's still a chance that the 8th highest scorer makes playoffs over the 3rd highest scorer.

Lastly, why are you an asshole about everything?

[PJ.]

This game has already put a major sway on half of the important games in league 1.

Yiley got 9 points combined from Damien Harris and the pats D. Aronis got 3.6 combined from Henderson and Woods.

(Tally got almost the projection exactly from Kupp, and TD didn't start Akers. The rams D was played by a team fighting for last.)

[PJ.]

I know a guy who wouldn't argue that

[PJ.]

Idk man. It's w/e. I dont keep track yearly but this year seems p lenient in terms of missing your top pick.

In terms of adp, the top 12 is about 50/50 this year. 1 cmc, out. 2 saquon, out. 3 zeke, underperforming adp significantly. Cook, Henry, Kamara hit. 7 clyde, underperformed adp. 8 jacobd, currently performing at adp but is out. 9 Michael Thomas, out. 10 Mixon, out. 11 chubb, is shockingly going to outplay his adp despite missing half the season. 12 Jones, hit.

2nd round isn't that much better(Sanders, ekeler, drake before 2 weeks ago,, lamar, julio). The Carson, Connors, and Hopkins backers probably aren't jumping for joy either. It helps that there was value later. PEG drafted cmc but also got James Robinson for free.

Edit: I'm comfortable saying this is what peg deserves for getting a top 4 rb after the draft.

[PJ.]

The guy who got cook in league 1 might get relegated.

But like..idk..I say it's less of a big deal, but it isn't like the guy in first place isn't the guy who hit his 1st 3 picks(but even he has been helped by the massive value cause he got Davis).

[PJ.]

Yeah, I didn't mention him or Hill because they are both playing v well

[PJ.]

All the weird shit that could of happened didn't.

Td
Khan
Me
D3f

Are the playoffs.

Aronis
Sharon
Rhinox
Kmd

Are relegated.

Pts standings should end up

Td37
Me
D3f (gets 2nd place if mark andrews scores 21.5 or more)
Racefan
Peg (gets 4th if Lamar Jackson outscores Landry and Tucker combined by 1 and change)
Yiley
Khan (lucker dogged the playoffs)
Aronis (easily would of scored more than Khan if he didn't sandbag the last 2 weeks)
Rhinox
Tally
Kmd (can move up 1 spot if Nick Chubb scores 53 pts. Can move up 2 spots if he scores 57.3 pts.)
Sharon

[PJ.]

I’m not entirely sure how seeding for the playoffs work, but do I jump ahead of you in playoff seeding if I do get the 21.5 out of Andrews? Not sure if Yahoo forces the division winners into the top seeds.

I'm pretty sure you'd off won the division and been seeded higher, yeah.

[PJ.]

https://youtu.be/aGffYc5eXnA

[PJ.]

Who is David Murrin and why do they keep proposing me offensively bad trades?

Thanks for rejecting Thielen for Swift. I really was buying high and selling low.

I'd say I'd beat you in the finals but Thielen isn't getting you there, lol.

Enjoy 3rd.

[PJ.]

I feel like since L2 was only ten that only the top 3 should move up meaning the bottom 3 in L1 move down.

I think this is something that should of been brought up in August. I think changing who gets promoted and relegated less than a week before the league ends is unfair to at least 1 person.

[PJ.]

That's not August. Anytime after week 1 is too late.

[PJ.]

Like, this wasn't something that was confirmed to be happening prior to the first game, so it shouldn't change until next season.

[PJ.]

Because at this point, you're making a change that directly helps 1 player and punishes another and it not being set in stone means you weren't committed to making that decision for every player. I don't think that "don't change league rules in the middle of the season" is an unreasonable stance, dude.

[PJ.]

The issue w/ that is aronis is *only* positively affected. If groose and reck both want to be like "yeah, im cool with this thing that only affects me negatively" than whatever I guess, but I think it's ridiculous to even put them in that position.

[PJ.]

I'm fine with the concept. I'm not fine with finalizing that decision 2 days after the semi-finals that decided who would be playing in the 3rd place game(and 9 days after everyone in the f4 thought they were promoted).

[PJ.]

no one ever said 4 will move up so it's not changing anything. I think it has to be 3 like we did in 2018. So me, you and Reck move up with Joe getting priority in case someone flakes but hopefully everyone comes back.

4 move down so 4 move up. You trying to use a loophole to get what you want after everyone agreed to not change anything is ridiculous. I sincerely hope you're not running this next year. I'd rather do the shit myself than let someone as trash as you do it. Zoraster passing the shit down to you was a horrid mistake.

[PJ.]

If you don't care, why are you so adamant in how many move up and down? especially when everyone was like..just leave it.

Step down from commissioner.

[PJ.]

4 leave l1 dude. period. that's been a thing. 4 leave. we need to get those 4 back from *somewhere*. stop trying to change shit you stupid motherfucker. I wish you were this commited to giving us PPR or better waiver soluions, you know things that people actually fucking want instead of trying to save this 1 fucking spot so bad. You definitely are adamant because you've brought it up a ton a fucking times despite everyone telling you to fuck off.

Step down .

[PJ.]

I find it despicable that he's trying to manipulate this into *me* being the one wanting to change rules at the last moment just because he wants to make this bizarre last minute change for no other reason than he *feels like it*. Just like he impulsively added 10 ir slots w/o consulting anyone. It was obvious ir would be an issue, which should of been addressed prior to the season. He knew the math on the teams before the season started and should of decided to save the extra spot then. This isn't something that snuck on on anyone. Nero has demonstrated that he is not fit to run the league or make decisions that help the league at large. I shouldn't have to dm reckoner the day before the finals to be like "hey Nero wants to make your game matter, you should weigh in on that". 4 people leave league 1. It has to come from somewhere. Idk, instead of trying so ridiculous hard to manipulate your friend aronis into staying in league 1, you should use all that energy to give us ample time to change rules that get this league out of the fucking stoneage. Or step down so someone else can because you clearly suck.

[PJ.]

panzer your reading is selective and bad.

Step down you manipulative bitch.

[PJ.]

4 leave l1 every year. 4 should leave 1 this year. period. You want to relegate 3 people instead of 4. That is a change. A change that *YOU* want to make and have been trying to make for the last week+. Something that you have been incredibly adamant about despite going out of your way to be like, "oh it's not important it doesn't effect anything". I have no idea why you want to do this. Idk if you owe aronis money or what. If it didn't really matter surely, you would just relegate 4 people like we have every other year. So how about you stop trying to manipulate the rules to get what you want AFTER THE FUCKING SEASON, when you should of changed these rules in July or August. Especially when 4 people have already told you they are fine with leaving it as is. As is being 4 people being relegated. You dense fuck.

Step down. Stop being corrupt. Stop being a cunt. Let someone else manage the league that isn't going to literally change the rules of the league to help certain people after the standings have been solidified.

[PJ.]

if u want 4 to go up so bad just leave L1 and then there would be no question.

this is just you being a spiteful little bitch because I don't want to just give you your way and save your little friend. How about you step down instead of being a bitch. thanks.

[PJ.]

So why not use what we used last year? Or in 2017? Why choose specifically 2018? Is it because you have decided to pick and choose a specific year because it fits what you want, what you want being aronis to stay in L1 for *some* reason? That harms competitive integrity of the league. As did randomly instituting 10 IR slots without any input from your players. Step down. You're corrupt. Thanks.

[PJ.]

Fair would be not changing the rules of the league literally after the season finished. 4 people relegated. Like last year. I don't know why you are choosing to use two years ago as the benchmark and not last year, but it seems to very much point to you wanting aronis in L1 for some unknown reason.

Step down.

[PJ.]

Mith changed things b/c he understood that there's a difference between a 10p and a 12p.

but I've also said

if we wanna say that this year we'll just stick with the 4 up/4 down then fine

which means that you are lying about me being so adamant about it being specifically 3 although I think 3 seems fair and its what we did b4 when L2 was 10.

if you were fine with it, you wouldn't have brought it back up. Why are you pressing the issue?

edit: because you don't make changes to the league midseason w/o consulting the players, you thick fuck. That fucks w/ the competitive integrity of the league. For example, someone in league 1 dropped cam prior to us receiving the spots after he popped off for 35 pts(because they needed a QB and bench slots for other stuff) and allowed a different player to pick Cam up.

[PJ.]

I'm making a stink because you're making changes mid and post season that effect the players and the integrity of the league while like pretending you don't care while openly and adamantly forcing this through.

You should *certainly* be demoted for that.

[PJ.]

If you weren't, this literally wouldn't be a conversation. Everyone was under the impression that you wanted to **change** the number of promotions from 4 to 3. This was a thing you brought up in november. And have brought up several times since. If you weren't changing anything, it wouldn't of needed to be brought up, because it would of been the universally agreed upon thing. And we all agreed literally last week that you were trying to change a thing, but you decided that the work *change* was a sticking point, so you have decided to adamantly rail against the qualification of you changing a thing in order to get some kinda of high ground to force through this change. That is shady and manipulative.

A league commissioner should act in service of the league and not solely in service of their own views on what is fair or just or whatever you are trying to accomplish. This is something that you have proven that you do not want to do. I'd rather you just step down now so we can figure out who's replacing you, than have to stir up shit 6 months from now when that time would be better used on figuring out waiver solutions and scoring.

[PJ.]

if enough people actually wanted 4 to go up that's fine? like I don't really care but I am saying that I'm not "changing" anything b/c its ALWAYS been 3 from L2 (and the one from L3) and when we actually had a 10 player L2 that's exactly what happened...we promoted 3 and moved 3 down and I'm not sure why we aren't doing that again....

Look. You do care. Don't say you don't, because you do. If you didn't,
the conversation would of been over a week ago. You continually are ignoring what I'm saying, deliberately so. The reason is you think that makes your argument better because you have found some weird circumstance 1 year that only 3 from l2 moved up.

In all the years mentioned and all the years period, 4 people from L1 get relegated. No matter how many people move from which league, 4 people ALWAYS get relegated. That is the thing you are trying to change, you obtuse fuck. And if you were going to do that, it needed to be done in August when you knew the numbers. Same time you should of decided the ir slots. But you're inept.

4 people out, 4 people in. Stop being Aronis' bitch. Step down so we can figure out a new commissioner and I dont have to bring this up in 6 months.

[PJ.]

I really don’t understand the criticisms of the mechanics of this league when

5 years ago

they were literally the Yahoo default settings

Change w/ the times

Also the rest of what you wrote is factually wrong. but w/e.

Could always do 0.5 or 1 point per receiving first downs instead of 0.5 or 1 point per receptions.

Crazy that y'all are on board for something as arbitrary as this but normal ass PPR is somehow bad.

[PJ.]

...so a wide receiver making a catch but losing nine yards on the play should be rewarded?

better than two different tight ends both catching a 2 yard pass on similar routes and 1 guy getting 1.2 pts and the other guy getting .2 points.

[PJ.]

Can I volunteer to stay in L2 (with first dibs if someone doesn't return next year) to end this debate? It's been going on for longer than I care to pay attention to.

Aronis said he might not be coming back so if he doesn't then you take his spot. If he did then sure. It's very noble of you.

do you know what would be noble? The commissioner not changing rules post season to make other players feel unwelcome. Or the commissioner that randomly added 10 IR slots stepping down. Those would be noble.