Open 787 || Lovers Mafia — Game Over

[Battle Mage]

im town, sheep me

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Deimos

[Battle Mage]

haven't we all had bold ish entrances

No. Your entrance was mild. Like a lightly peppered curry.

mine was more like a shit-your-pants vindaloo

[Battle Mage]

I’ve never been this nervous in my whole life opening a role pm. I was worried i’d be forced to be the lover to god damn Battle Mage or something. Luckily i got a town role pm. Oh i’m praising the lords for that.

dude what's your problem??

[Battle Mage]

I’ve got meta with everyone except Nash and Innocentvillager, just so we’re clear.

I think your meta with me with is going to be pretty useless in this setup.

[Battle Mage]

this is mean and a personal attack and I feel very insulted, not very nice and my hurt feelings, mafia is game of fun that we should try to be enjoyment

this is mean and a personal attack and I feel very insulted, not very nice and my hurt feelings, mafia is game of fun that we should try to be enjoyment

Sorry if that hurt you, but i always have strongly disliked players that strongly scumread someone off of tiny amounts of content. Rather than expressing suspicion at me and explaining your reasoning you just put me on the bottom of a reads list you pulled out from your ass, and then mumble about associations when literally nothing of much importance has happened yet.

As a matter of principle, I agree that we should keep this civil and avoid personal derogatory language if possible.

[Battle Mage]

Norweg looking real scummy here so far. Trying to cover for his lurker buddy Deimos.

VOTE: Norweg

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

[Battle Mage]

what the actual fuck

[Battle Mage]

oh fine, I thought it was a hammer.

[Battle Mage]

Norweg looking real scummy here so far. Trying to cover for his lurker buddy Deimos.

VOTE: Norweg

Lmao.
VOTE: Battle Mage

If i’m lynched my guess is that Battle Mage + whichever one of Nash/Deimos hammers is scum.

Page 4 and you're out of ideas already? Damn dude!

VOTE: Norweg

Let's do this!!

[Battle Mage]

oh fine, I thought it was a hammer.

Why would you unvote if you thought it was a hammer? That wouldn’t change anything.

I wasn't 100% sure, and I shit my pants. Too much spicy curry.

[Battle Mage]

but actually given it wasn't a quickhammer, and given you've already exposed yourself too much, I think I'm actually happy to run with this.

[Battle Mage]

how could it possibly have been a hammer when we have 4 people and Norweeg obviously didn't vote himself, feels like a basic sanity check

i just knew I was 2nd vote on, and saw on the latest page 2 votes in quick succession, which would add up to 4, if one of them hadn't been a duplicate.

[Battle Mage]

Scumpings on BM increasing. If i were ever hammered. To see him on a rope wouød be my final wish.

dude, try and keep it classy eh?

you can always just NK me...oh wait!

[Battle Mage]

Norweg has not got good form of reading me, although he indicates in this game he has meta on me.

I think he's just blown it all too early.

[Battle Mage]

This is the dumbest push i’ve ever seen in my MS carrier hahahaha. I can’t stop laughing. "Nash" is my teammate? A literal person that hasn’t posted yet? And we’re on page 4.

u r not the only one; ive been laughing the whole time tbh
but the case remains that if u r scum, and u gave a free pass to iv for his reads, then

it simply worked

well, in fairness, it's more likely his partner is Nash or Deimos, given everyone else is voting for him.

[Battle Mage]

come join my wagon norwee and save ur neck

Why would i wagon someone that hasn't posted yet? I'd rather just vote myself.

you'd rather hammer yourself than vote for someone who you don't know the alignment of?

Yeah, this is scum who has given up.

I'm LOCKED IN baby

[Battle Mage]

i think i want to kill deimos now

shall we reform the townblock? at least us 2, we can see about Deimos later.

[Battle Mage]

come join my wagon norwee and save ur neck

Why would i wagon someone that hasn't posted yet? I'd rather just vote myself.

you'd rather hammer yourself than vote for someone who you don't know the alignment of?

Yeah, this is scum who has given up.

I'm LOCKED IN baby

No, i'd rather vote you. Because you're scummy. Remember?

you boring as scum

[Battle Mage]

i have 1 game with Noweg, when he was town. don't remember him ever being as defensive as this.

Could I buy him as someone who thinks he might lose the game for his team before his scumbuddy even turns up, and is on full panic mode? Yeah, easily.

[Battle Mage]

we only need to elim one scum guys, this could be the easiest game of all time

@mod can we get a prod on Deimos and Nash?

yeah they havent posted for like 1 hour.

[Battle Mage]

maybe we should let Norweg spam up the thread a bit to make it look respectable?

[Battle Mage]

i have 1 game with Noweg, when he was town. don't remember him ever being as defensive as this.

Yeah, why would i want to defend myself? I'm SCUM!

is that a confession?

[Battle Mage]

Fact of the matter is, and i wish i could sugarcoat this.
Innocentvillager, you are rash, jumping to conclusions, and arrogant beyond measure.
I'm not really going to say much more than that, because you're tunneling hard. Consider this an message for you to consider post-game when you've calmed down a bit.

on a serious note, there is a real problem with this.

If Norweg is town, he would have no knowledge of the alignment of any other player. Why then would he be focussing so hard on trying to kiss Innocentvillager's ass, out of the players voting for him?

It's a divide-and-conquer scum-strategy, which will obviously be effective in this game where town needs unanimity to win.

I am seriously cool with Norweg-lynch today.

[Battle Mage]

Fact of the matter is, and i wish i could sugarcoat this.
Innocentvillager, you are rash, jumping to conclusions, and arrogant beyond measure.
I'm not really going to say much more than that, because you're tunneling hard. Consider this an message for you to consider post-game when you've calmed down a bit.

this reads very much as if Norweg KNOWS Innocentvillager is town.

[Battle Mage]

If you want i can show you about 5 games where i'm tunneled by town players and then flip town, having correctly read my attackers as town while they were tunneling me.

no i dont want, i dont care, i'm going to eliminate you.

[Battle Mage]

If you want i can show you about 5 games where i'm tunneled by town players and then flip town, having correctly read my attackers as town while they were tunneling me.

hm, yeah I guess showing us that would definitively prove you're town

will you be my lover after the game?

[Battle Mage]

If you want i can show you about 5 games where i'm tunneled by town players and then flip town, having correctly read my attackers as town while they were tunneling me.

hm, yeah I guess showing us that would definitively prove you're town

will you be my lover after the game?

^Further proof that a BM/IV team is impossible.

and let me guess, you will use this to continue to further your argument that I'm scum and Innocentvillager is your buddy-buddy?

[Battle Mage]

If you want i can show you about 5 games where i'm tunneled by town players and then flip town, having correctly read my attackers as town while they were tunneling me.

no i dont want, i dont care, i'm going to eliminate you.

If you think you're going to break me you're wrong. I will set it up so that you are the next lynch tommorow assuming i get lynched here.

dude, we both know you're already broken. I'm ready to end the game now.

[Battle Mage]

Of course, i'd prefer to just vote you today though.
@Word321 Explain your unvote on me in more detail.
Also i suggest you join me on BM rather than Deimos, we don't know which one of Deimos/Nash might be scum yet if they are. But Battle Mage is the only talking player so far that has been visibly scummy.

it doesnt matter, as you're obviously scum, BUT

if you were town, I would laugh my absolute arse off at your claim that you are an expert in reading tunnelling-town, despite your crap read on me.

[Battle Mage]

Of course, i'd prefer to just vote you today though.
@Word321 Explain your unvote on me in more detail.
Also i suggest you join me on BM rather than Deimos, we don't know which one of Deimos/Nash might be scum yet if they are. But Battle Mage is the only talking player so far that has been visibly scummy.

your failure to actually try and sort my slot, and instead trying to be all slimey and pick off the other players voting for you, is scummy as hell.

[Battle Mage]

If you want i can show you about 5 games where i'm tunneled by town players and then flip town, having correctly read my attackers as town while they were tunneling me.

no i dont want, i dont care, i'm going to eliminate you.

If you think you're going to break me you're wrong. I will set it up so that you are the next lynch tommorow assuming i get lynched here.

dude, we both know you're already broken. I'm ready to end the game now.

Why? The game isn't over. The only one voting with you is tunneling IV. Sure he's loud, but how do you know that'll be convincing the remaining town?

Deimos Nash still hasn't even showed up.

Stop pretending to be so confident

ya big loof.

pretending eh? so you know I'm not scum then? another little slip

[Battle Mage]

You are playing just like your past scumgame. Visibly obvscum with your takes. Rather than reconsider like Word you're keeping up this ridiculous push that only makes sense in IV's mind because you think your scum mate in Deimos/Nash is going to make a difference.

I figured you would try that "you played like this as scum" shit. This is so weak man. so so weak.

[Battle Mage]

Why would pretending mean i'm saying you're not scum? I'm actually saying that is the reason you are mafia.

nah you implied i was town feigning confidence. no reason you would ask me to stop pretending to be confident if you thought i was scum. you slipped that you know I'm town.

BUSTED.

[Battle Mage]

I suggest we just stop rn until Deimos and Nash appear

my question to you is, will you townblock with me today to eliminate Norweg? we can wait until after the stragglers appear.

[Battle Mage]

Why would pretending mean i'm saying you're not scum? I'm actually saying that is the reason you are mafia.

nah you implied i was town feigning confidence. no reason you would ask me to stop pretending to be confident if you thought i was scum. you slipped that you know I'm town.

BUSTED.

No, i never said that actually.

I hate to break it ya, but you can't deny what you said because

THIS

IS

FORUM MAFIA

[Battle Mage]

I suggest we just stop rn until Deimos and Nash appear

my question to you is, will you townblock with me today to eliminate Norweg? we can wait until after the stragglers appear.

Wow, now look who's buddying.

he's actually my student, it's not buddying within this game.

[Battle Mage]

I suggest we just stop rn until Deimos and Nash appear

my question to you is, will you townblock with me today to eliminate Norweg? we can wait until after the stragglers appear.

Wow, now look who's buddying.

also this is some serious

NO U SCUM shit right here

[Battle Mage]

You got 1 town on the wagon. If your scum mate votes with you that makes only 3 out of 4, but you know you need more don't you BM? That's why you're asking Word to co-operate in eliminating me.

desperate stuff dude keep trying. it doesn't really matter - if town does mislynch me today, they'll get you tomorrow or I'll haunt the shit out of them.

[Battle Mage]

This essentially proves that the chance i am scum is currently lower than 2/5 chance

this is assuming me BM and word are all town hmmmmmmm

+1

in fairness, it's pretty obvious from Norweg's panicked floundering around that his scumbuddy is one of the absentees. Otherwise he would have taken breaks to talk to them in the PT. They obviously ain't here, which is part of the reason he's desperately stalling for time.

[Battle Mage]

My reads right now are

Town

- Innocentvillager

Light townread

- Word321

Null

- Deimos27
- Nash

Scum

- Battle Mage

scummy readslist alert!

3 people gunning for you, so you put 2 of them as likely town and try and pick off the other, while leaving your scumbuddy as null.

[Battle Mage]

Believe in me. I know know my shit here. Even if i'm not the best at pushing my arguments.

appeal to emotion again.

please keep begging for your life though, i'm enjoying it immensely.

[Battle Mage]

I don't mind being lynched if you two can prove with 100% absolute certainty that a town flip of me guarantees BM being the lynch tommorow. With no exceptions.

if you're town and your gameplan is to deliberately throw the game, that's pretty lame. I don't think that badly of you though, don't worry.

[Battle Mage]

See? BM isn't even considering the possibility of town!me. You two are. It's so blatantly obvious he's the one pushing in bad faith here.

uh oh "in bad faith". a phrase rarely used by somebody pro-town.

[Battle Mage]

3 people gunning for you, so you put 2 of them as likely town and try and pick off the other, while leaving your scumbuddy as null.

Pft.
You're so bad at this.
*Leaving my scum buddy at null*?
I'm literally stating that one of your most likely teammates are in that null pile. The fact that you townread both of the guys pushing for me to such an extent without questioning it. Basically proves your own point against me that i'm: "townreading based on pre-existing knowledge".

So bad? dude I'm picking up the easy Day 1 win thanks to you, I'm doing goooooood!

[Battle Mage]

the last game we played together, it took me until like Day 7 to beat you

[Battle Mage]

See? BM isn't even considering the possibility of town!me. You two are. It's so blatantly obvious he's the one pushing in bad faith here.

+1

You're giving me townpoints right?
Thanks!

i can't tell if you're trying to kiss ass here, or didn't figure out what the +1 meant because you were tunnelling me so hard, or both?

[Battle Mage]

3 people gunning for you, so you put 2 of them as likely town and try and pick off the other, while leaving your scumbuddy as null.

Pft.
You're so bad at this.
*Leaving my scum buddy at null*?
I'm literally stating that one of your most likely teammates are in that null pile. The fact that you townread both of the guys pushing for me to such an extent without questioning it. Basically proves your own point against me that i'm: "townreading based on pre-existing knowledge".

So bad? dude I'm picking up the easy Day 1 win thanks to you, I'm doing goooooood!

You're literally the most annoying player alive. I knew i should have outed when you /inned.

As I've already warned you once dude, no more personal attacks. You can self-vote if you're scum and we can end the game early. Or if you can't keep your emotions in check, you can take a break and stop posting for a bit.

If you're town, you could try actually scumhunting.

[Battle Mage]

norwee, with all due respect, ur arguments r insanely weak
bms meta has been on point, we need 100% town vote to lynch from the nature of the game so it is necessary to gather every support possible, u asked for my opinion when the only possible bad scenario is me trying to become unrelated to the hammer of a town from town persepective, when the most profitable alternative is getting towncred by the defense of the rashness by other town
well, nothing will change the fact that BM has his target, and I rly dnt think that innocent villager will change his mind at some point; that by itself is already damning, if anyone of em is town, cause that means we have 100% of a townhammer this round.

its a hole for both town and scum. The thing is that this kind of scenario has a possible alternative; death by overpush, where the arguments given become increasingly weaker and the idea that we r lynching scum and u r trying to ditch a defense becomes more and more plausible, in a self feeding loop. But given the evidence, and bc this is just a game, i rly would go for the hammer a priori.

thats what I mean.

and yes, u r right with ur probabilities; the state of the game pushes it that way.
but it is a fallacy to work only with raw probabilities; none of us have strong connections to each other by attitude. the fact we default to nash and deimos is not due to simple probabilities to defaulting on ppl who dnt talk, but by making connections with already aquired knowledge. its simply how the game developed.

(answering the previous questions)

this is a high quality post.

[Battle Mage]

If you're town, you could try actually scumhunting.

Isn't that what i'm doing? Oh well, keep pushing false premises. Night sweetie.

I haven't seen you push 1 possible scum, despite your relentless spamming. it's a poor rate of return.

[Battle Mage]

Something i had to ask.
(From phone in bed)

@Word321 Are you familiar with BM’s town meta? Are you seeing it here?

word is a smart dude, and he's actually seen me as town. unlike you.

also word is reminding me of the same solving style he used as town in our last game together.

[Battle Mage]

I don't have much to say. It's obviously Norweg-Deimos right? I feel bad for Deimos. It was every bit a scummy open from him - this is definitely nothing like my experience of Deimos-town.

Let me know if anything else has happened, otherwise my vote ain't moving and I'm ready to end the game.

[Battle Mage]

Because i’m curious if it’s me or everyone else that’s been acting stupid today. Nash is being townread for no reason and Deimos is scumread because ???
I literally do not understand this game or how it ended up this way.

I've played with Deimos and Nash before and have a good read on them. Don't be sad about it, just eat the loss.

[Battle Mage]

i hope that's not a reference to my large penis...

[Battle Mage]

So, if that rly is ur solve, u dnt mind going for Deimos->BM instead of BM->Deimos. Deimos refuses to vote u; the easy way out is u voting Deimos. Vote deimos, and Ill go back to him with u, and advocate for a deimos hammer. I think everyone is happy with that, right? Upon failure of red, under ur impression the only slot possible is BM; Im A-Okay going for a BM hammer day 2, or sipping u, or whatnots.

If lynching BM is impossible today because you lot are convinced that a team with me/Deimos is so apparent then

i'd rather sacrifice myself than vote him

. He's smarter than all of you combined.

This is the definition of anti-town play in this setup.

Norweg is not stupid, and is therefore scum.

This play only makes any sense for a Norweg-Deimos team, which was fairly obvious anyway given Norweg's guilt at costing his team the game, and Deimos dutifully making an effort to save his scumlover.

Deimos claiming to suspect me is final nail in the coffin stuff, given he knows better.

[Battle Mage]

hmm
I think this is the last time I address the issue without parking the vote on ur slot:
Think about the situation we r here
A wagon was quickly formed on ur slot; there is a player against it
These r the possibilities I find more plausible given the situation we r in from Deimos. He is either:
1. Town, concerned over a misshammer
2. Scum, wanting to stay out of the hammer to capitalize on a misshammer
3. Scum, not wanting to hammer his partner

So I offer him on capitalizing my vote for tomorrow. That is insanely useful for the second option; and mildly useful for the first. If I go back on my word, after all, he can always capitalize on that, and rightfully think Im manipulative scum or make it seems so.

And then, he refuses. What do u think is the logical conclusion on that? I was even considering not actually voting for u if he voted; the thing is, he should have thought I actually wanted to vote for u. In the first 2 scenarios it is easier to sort the partner after all.

And nopw u refuse to vote deimos. Listen, Norwee, I rly am willing to sheep on u on whatever choice u make; this is the last chance u have to actually ascertain ur alignment on my slot. U R going to be hammered as town if u keep going that way, and that is antitown. So unless u r scum, lets go hammer Deimos first, and clear the doubt on everyones midn. It will prove without doubt that everyone thinks ur slot is scum, and henceforth, that u cant be scum.

Or lets wait for Nash, whatever u feel is the best, I guess. We either win or we play tomorrow without a conftown.

I'm not compromising on a Norweg kill today.

[Battle Mage]

And by that i mean it's bad.

I don't even know why you're wasting everyone's time with this - just self-vote and get it over with.

[Battle Mage]

We either win or we play tomorrow without a conftown.

Just kill me. I don't want to be a conf!town in this game.

he's already voting for you - you can either self-hammer, or wait for Nash to do the honours. It's a simple setup really, not much room for manoevre.

[Battle Mage]

And by that i mean it's bad.

I don't even know why you're wasting everyone's time with this - just self-vote and get it over with.

No. I'm never self-voting.
I want scum to put their votes on me.

you're sure Nash is scum then? because everyone else is already voting for you.

[Battle Mage]

I'll give you this at least, I feel the love between you and Deimos, and it's cute.

It's a shame he's had to break his otherwise solid towniest town meta in order to protect you.

[Battle Mage]

this will be my fastest win ever I think let the streak continue!

[Battle Mage]

Nash, when you show up, just hammer Norweg and we win

[Battle Mage]

I won't labour the point:

Norweg flipping town doesn't mean his reads were right (Spoiler: they aren't).
Proposing to lazily sheep Norweg and lynch me, in LyLo, is scummy as hell.

Hence, InnocentVillager is right up there for me in suspect list now.

Unrelated, I think it's probably ok to PoE Word321 today, given he only makes sense as a Lover to Deimos, and Deimos is objectively scummier.

However, as I got it wrong due to Norweg being so insanely scummy, I will re-read tonight and do some more detailed analysis so we can still win this.

In the meantime, if you're town, please don't vote anyone and potentially throw the game.

[Battle Mage]

innocentvillager's open to Day 2 looks blood-thirsty as hell. he wants me dead, and quick (coz Norweg's fault).

will give my solve tonight anyway, as we should have enough info on interactions etc.

[Battle Mage]

innocentvillager - Deimos scumteam is wholly consistent with the Innocentvillager-ISO.

I still think it's probably Deimos for the way he white-knighted Norweg and how unusually scummy he's playing.

[Battle Mage]

I read Deimos ISO.

It's fucking Deimos and Innocentvillager lol

more news later

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage, can you explain your initial progression on NEE?
Why do you PoE Word as town and not consider a Word x Nash possibility like IV?

I still think it's probably Deimos for the way he white-knighted Norweg and how unusually scummy he's playing.

You mean it makes no sense for town!Deimos to confirm NEE as town?

I'd say it makes

less

sense for town Deimos to be interact as he did with Norweg. It's possible, but unlikely.

To be fair, I think Word is town because he's playing exactly as he did as town in our last game (you were there too, so can give a view). The only thing that pinged me about him was his weird suggestion to Norweg about switching together to Deimos. Reflecting on it now, I don't know how that would make sense from a Deimos-Word perspective, so let's just assume Word is town, and if he's scum then well played.

I'm not completely convinced you're town and will reread you, but at the moment I'd say from my experience of you, you look hella scummy as town, so it's probably just Deimos-IV as most likely. Of course we only need to get 1 right which helps somewhat.

I'm not gonna go back and recap Norweg and why he was so scummy, it'll just piss me off.

[Battle Mage]

Word is town.

IV-Deimos is most likely.

Nash-IV is more likely than Nash-Deimos.

Therefore we should lynch IV.

Welcome other input.

T

[Battle Mage]

like even if this si wrong this is our best shot, a confirmed townie was almost certain this slot was scum, any other talking we do today will just muddy it and be scum influenced

surely you have your own opinions? No offence to Norweg, but he isn't the sort of player you should be blindly sheeping even if he flips town.

Nash/word is possible but I think word/BM and Nash/BM are more likely

No hint of Deimos here then? I guess he is your lover?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Deimos okay boss!

im trusting you, but if this is scum I take no personal responsibility, just fyi

Classic move, early RVS distancing from scum partner.

[Battle Mage]

This is a pretty shady looking ISO for the first part of Day 1. Multiple times protesting he's town, and just spamming the thread with jokes.

hey guys I'm town

Luckily i got a town role pm

hey, me too! let's find the lovers together!

wait a second, you could be lying about that and actually be the lover yourself?? do you have proof you got a town role pm??

are you truly with us?

I am aligned with the Town. So if you are part of the Town, I am truly with you, yes. But if you are a Lover, I am not truly with you, in fact. A difficult question indeed

honestly I just want a high post count and to clutter the thread so everyone gets confused and I look like I"m participating

[Battle Mage]

alright here's my readslist at this point:

{innocentvillager}
{Battle Mage, word}
{Nash}
{Deimos, Norwegian}

To be clear I like Deimos and Norweigan for scum, I can't really see a Deimos Norwegian scumteam tho given the bus right out of the gate, idk Nash-Norwegian or Deimos-Nash makes more sense, I'll have to reread the thread and look for more associatives

Early distancing with Deimos again, although critically his vote was still on Norweg here, because he didnt want to actually lynch his lover buddy.

Emphasis on finding associatives, and the early assertion that bussing would mean people couldn't be lovers (IV noted that me and Deimos couldnt be scum together as I went for him early), suggests that if scum, he is highly likely to have adopted a distancing strategy, which makes it highly likely to be Deimos.

any thoughts on a Deimos-Nash scumteam, Norwegian?

Again, distancing with Deimos here early.

I can't really see a Deimos Norwegian scumteam tho given the bus right out of the gate,

The fuck are you talking about?

oh sorry, I mistook you for Battle Mage, I was saying how a Battle Mage-Deimos scumteam is next to impossible since they wouldn't bus right out of the game like that

As above. This reveals he would have a propensity to distance as scum, and also note that whilst appearing to shade Deimos here, he's paving the way to protect him, by mathematically reducing the likelihood of Deimos-scum by ruling out partners (in this case, me).

I haven't quoted them all here, but worth looking at IV's readslists and how they evolve. Note that Deimos starts at the top and slowly slips down as the game gets more serious and a lynch becomes more likely. Obviously today he has U-turned completely to not even consider Deimos a suspect, using the excuse of "Norweg thought he was town".

[Battle Mage]

if we just discuss things as a group it’s very unlikely all three town will end up suspecting the same people which is why barring really really weird stuff we should just elim the dead town’s big scumread because we know they were town

Ftr I have no idea if BM is actually scum or not, but I think we should just do it

I can literally see anyone flipping red at this point which is kind of scary

That's a stupid strategy, especially when that townie is not famed for having great reads.

It's also a strategy I struggle to see being proposed by town. Seriously, who joined this game, or any other, rolled town and decided they would prefer to sheep some dead guy rather than actually try to solve things themselves? Like, do you have no confidence in yourself, or just not want to play?

I don't think your concern will materialise. I trust Word, Word will probably trust me because he's a smart cat and knows my play. Nash also knows my play, so if he's town he can get on board.

I've highlighted some bits in red, in case others didn't pick up on it. Here, IV is backtracking from his read on me, so he can pave the way to vote for, well, pretty much anyone. Scum have 3 viable options today so not too fussy!

[Battle Mage]

like even if this si wrong this is our best shot, a confirmed townie was almost certain this slot was scum, any other talking we do today will just muddy it and be scum influenced

surely you have your own opinions? No offence to Norweg, but he isn't the sort of player you should be blindly sheeping even if he flips town.

Nash/word is possible but I think word/BM and Nash/BM are more likely

No hint of Deimos here then? I guess he is your lover?

I do but they’re kind of weak and there are too many scum right now and their incentive is to fast play this because all 3 town need to be on a ME for this to work

I think Deimos is possible too fwiw... I regret not talking longer on D1 to solidify what happens if Norway flips green, but you guys were so certain he wouldn’t :/ my fault too

The only thing a longer day 1 would have achieved is Norweg going on and on about how he thinks I'm scum. Which I assume is what you wish had happened?

If you vote Deimos, I'll consider not lynching you, how about that?

[Battle Mage]

Like I actually agree Norway’s reads were kind of bad but at least we know he’s town, and my reads aren’t great either so I say we just do that

you're still pushing the "let's vote Norweg's suspect" crap, even after your own readslist in the previous post has Word as top suspect?

[Battle Mage]

this is one of those situations we should be 40% to win but we’re actually quite a bit less than that so barring anything really damning I think we should just do something as close to random as possible (or least influenced by scum), which is Norway’s reads

to translate for clarity, after all the posts you made above, you're ultimately saying, you want to lynch me because Norweg said so, despite not actually thinking I'm scum?

Yeah I think you've had your shot then. Let's gamble!

VOTE: Innocentvillager

[Battle Mage]

if it matters my readslist is

Leantown: Nash
Null: BM, Damos
Null lean scum: word

But I will reread a bit to see if I can get stronger reads

you suddenly forgot how to spell Deimos huh? interesting

[Battle Mage]

Some Deimos highlights, including a good bit of innocentvillager-love

innocentvillager's playstyle is hilarious, but I must say it at least seems effective at getting the game out of RVS

With that said, i think your way of playing is town indicative

"Way of playing" implies that you townread the playstyle. But a playstyle this unique needs to be consistent between alignments, so I'm surprised you can tr what iv has shown here with no consideration to meta

Opens with a bit of soft distancing.

the point of this game is to be more certain and reduce the amount of uncertainty. It's certainty scummy to cast doubt and just keep every possibility open because this is a scum!motivation not a town!motivation

IV: makes low info super low prob reads
Norwee: calls him out
IV: surprised pikachu

I respect that IV tried to find reads out of the low probability phase in this game, but the idea that town should increase certainty is absolute nonsense. Mafia is probabilistic, and reads should reflect that fact. If available information suggests a 40% chance X is scum, but Y says it's 75%, then it is

pro-town

for X to reduce certainty by disagreeing with Y and arguing that it is 40%, so that town has more

accurate

reads by which to maximise their EV.

This is a rubbish reason to scumread Norwee. And you straw man him heavily with "to cast doubt and just keep every possibility open".

Soft distancing again - discrediting IV's argument, without actually going as far as to vote for him, or really push him hard.

oh fine, I thought it was a hammer.

Why would you unvote if you thought it was a hammer? That wouldn’t change anything.

how could it possibly have been a hammer when we have 4 people and Norweeg obviously didn't vote himself, feels like a basic sanity check

Two reasons to doubt that BM genuinely mistook that for a hammer. The unvote comes off as bad acting due to reason 1. Reason 2 gives a cognitive mechanism as to why players are more likely to notice that it was only L-1 than they are not to.

This is particularly weak. I'd explained Reason 2 was invalid when innocentvillager makes it, but Deimos uses this faulty logic to justify a vote for me. Deimos is a good player as town, and this would be beneath him.

I'm not convinced by the IV townread. Tunnels are often towntells because they're hard to fake and bold to take, but though this one might be bold to take it's very much not hard to fake.

I'll glance at IV meta later today.

Spoiler:

he never "glanced at" the IV meta

and some more scumbuddy distancing here but no hint of a vote.

[Battle Mage]

if it matters my readslist is

Leantown: Nash
Null: BM, Damos
Null lean scum: word

But I will reread a bit to see if I can get stronger reads

you suddenly forgot how to spell Deimos huh? interesting

LMFAO I’ve been spelling it wrong on purpose all game because it’s fun Jesus you do tunnel huh

You haven't. You spelt it correctly in the preceding post. Why lie about this of all things!?

[Battle Mage]

Anyway it's all good - it's you or me today kiddo.

Innocentvillager vs Battle Mage

VOTE: innocentvillager

I'm

V/LA for the weekend.

[Battle Mage]

word started posting Day2 just after I unvoted Battle Mage. From a conditional probability standpoint given that the day had started for a bit already at that point it's likely he was waiting to post. If he was waiting to post it's very likely because he's scum, BM is town, and he's posting thoughts in the PT to try and setup some quickhammering plan waiting for his partner to come online. I also saw word online in that half hour between the flip and his post which gives some credence to my theory.

i imagine if word was scum he'd have already worked out his quickhammer plan during Day 2. If he was scum with Deimos, I'd be even more certain, as both are very smart players. I'm not keen on these kind of "he was logged in for 10 minutes and didn't post" tells - not very reliable.

You got anything else?

[Battle Mage]

as you can see im kind of conflicted on the whole trying to discuss to figure out scum and just arbitrarily elim Norway's scumread because we know that's not scum-influenced, but then again it doesn't seem like the town wants to go off of Norway's reads anyway which kind of defeats the whole point since the BM elim will just go through with way higher probability than 40%. Especially now that I think BM is acting kind of townie I think I'd rather just try to discuss this out normally with everyone and accept we are not winning this situation even near 40% of the time, really waiting on Damus for input here.

Damus is a cute petname, the sort of thing a lover might come up with

Why do you not care for input from Nash?

[Battle Mage]

word started posting Day2 just after I unvoted Battle Mage. From a conditional probability standpoint given that the day had started for a bit already at that point it's likely he was waiting to post. If he was waiting to post it's very likely because he's scum, BM is town, and he's posting thoughts in the PT to try and setup some quickhammering plan waiting for his partner to come online. I also saw word online in that half hour between the flip and his post which gives some credence to my theory.

i imagine if word was scum he'd have already worked out his quickhammer plan during Day 2. If he was scum with Deimos, I'd be even more certain, as both are very smart players. I'm not keen on these kind of "he was logged in for 10 minutes and didn't post" tells - not very reliable.

You got anything else?

this was less than half an hour into day2 when damos hadn't been online, i don't think they would've planned that far ahead there's really no need

ah sorry i mistyped, I meant Day 1. It's a 2 day game, so no reason scum wouldnt have planned this out at the very beginning.

[Battle Mage]

lurkerscum

[Battle Mage]

my playstyle wasn't scummy at all - as evidenced by the fact I didn't get lynched and the only suspicion on me was from you. Maybe look closer to home?

[Battle Mage]

it was a shit outcome, Nash-Deimos was basically the only scenario where town loses this game.

[Battle Mage]

and in hindsight, i should have moved off Innocent Villager after his impassioned defence.