Open 786 | Dream Mafia | Cult Win!

[spicer1209]

Thoughts on who is town and who is scum (and specifically cult leader) will suffice.

Well I’m only one page 6 right now and I’ve already cringed so hard I lost some teeth and had a stroke.

@mods I accidentally sent that to Ythan via pm instead of quoting him like I wanted to. It’s been years since I’ve played so I’m still working through how the site works again.

[Ythan]

Ah that explains it.

Yeah all he said is what's in the post there.

[spicer1209]

blah blah blah

This is a good point.

is it? did you read those games? what did you find out from them?

Hello.
My names Karma.
Today I’m here to ask you a question you may or may not be familiar with.
“

did you read those games? what did you find out from them?

”
Now you might be asking why did I send you that question
But then stop and ask yourself. Why did I ask Jesus that question and instead of becoming paranoid and confused all you have to do is sit down with Jesus and discuss about Korina’s Meta with them.

Jesus dude...the cringe haha

[Jesus Christ]

Anyone else except for Korina, Battle Mage, or JacksonVirgo.

May I ask why you don’t think Battle Mage is Cult?

They could have hammered when Korina was at L-1, but they didn't.

I don't like how Logicalicaltist is ignoring my question. To me their contribution comes off as fake contribution.

[iamausername]

uh... you can’t hammer someone if you’re already voting them, Jesus.

now, talk us through why you don’t think Korina is cult. is that also based on a total failure to understand the game state?

[Logicalicaltist]

Anyone else except for Korina, Battle Mage, or JacksonVirgo.

May I ask why you don’t think Battle Mage is Cult?

They could have hammered when Korina was at L-1, but they didn't.

I don't like how Logicalicaltist is ignoring my question. To me their contribution comes off as fake contribution.

Scum or not, no one sane just hammers that quickly.

[Logicalicaltist]

uh... you can’t hammer someone if you’re already voting them, Jesus.

now, talk us through why you don’t think Korina is cult. is that also based on a total failure to understand the game state?

Oh that as well.
Also I think I might be wrong on Jesus here but also feel more confident in my BM vote.

[Logicalicaltist]

@Jesus
What specifically do you want me to explain regarding my reads?

[Jesus Christ]

Anyone else except for Korina, Battle Mage, or JacksonVirgo.

May I ask why you don’t think Battle Mage is Cult?

They could have hammered when Korina was at L-1, but they didn't.

I don't like how Logicalicaltist is ignoring my question. To me their contribution comes off as fake contribution.

Scum or not, no one sane just hammers that quickly.

But it wasn't obvious that it was L-1.

Yeah BM/Ythan/Username are never T/T/T.
I believe it to be S/S/T but could be S/T/T but that’s still quite a low Probability.

T/T/T - 0%
S/S/T - 80%
S/T/T - 20%

Why?

Korina is Town
Jesus is Town
Drew is Town

Why?

[Jesus Christ]

uh... you can’t hammer someone if you’re already voting them, Jesus.

now, talk us through why you don’t think Korina is cult. is that also based on a total failure to understand the game state?

Because you can tell by looking at how they played in previous cult games.

[Battle Mage]

I'm

V/LA for the weekend

.

[spicer1209]

Thoughts on who is town and who is scum (and specifically cult leader) will suffice.

Well i feel like this game is already off to a shit storm but here is my list.

Town

Korina
Logic.

Null

Doctor Drew
Ythan
Jesus
Clidd

Scum

Battlemage
Username

Korina is significant to me mostly because of the way he is acting (ie "fucking lynch me", trying to call the shots and speaking TO the town, all kinds of set up speculation) all seems consistent to me as the actions of someone who is overly excited and has a raging role boner. He gave off the vibe of "if you believe me or follow my lead then you don't deserve to have me in the game" which is something I can relate to because when I was younger I used to do that same shit when I had a power role. I personally don't see scum coming out of the gate with this level of a gambit. Of course you can get into the circular logic of "thats what they want you to think." however in my experience that is hardly ever pulled off, especially with someone who spams the board like he washed down a bag of meth with a Rockstar. For now I'm inclined to believe him

Logic I think is just a cringe machine more so than scum. He comes off to me as someone who is just awkward and awkwardness usually stems from uncertainty. He is always talking in circles it feels like but my gut tells me this is the act of a bad player more than a scummy player.

Battlemage is doing all the things I would do if I were scum. Pile on the easy target who is going to annoy the town into getting themself lynched? Check. Immediately counter commenting on role claiming once the conversation has been started by someone else? Check. Quick and subtle early game spat to distance myself from my other scum buddy in Username? Checkity check. I also rally don't like how his activity fell off of a cliff once he got his second and third votes on him.

Username's introductory post was one that was coming out in support of someone as town. That doesnt seem like a town action because you would think that the town would be more interested in scum hunting in that moment. It just felt disingenuous to me. I also don't like how he tried to flip the conversation away from the Korina situation twice and even throwing out a random direction change vote for Jesus Christ when I'm pretty sure we were already past that point in the game. I also dont like how that direction change is going to lead us down the path of talking about meta games and how people acted in other games. Personally i never find that useful information especially this early in the game.

Everyone else I really dont have much input on. Either I didn't feel any one way or the other about their posts, or there isnt very much to work with anyway. Ythan spam is pretty annoying but I don't if it makes me feel like he is scummy or not.

for now though Ill VOTE: Blackmage he is my strongest scum read and I feel like we would get the most info out of his flip

[Ythan]

Wow Friday and still no Korina how about that.

[spicer1209]

Anyone else except for Korina, Battle Mage, or JacksonVirgo.

May I ask why you don’t think Battle Mage is Cult?

They could have hammered when Korina was at L-1, but they didn't.

I don't like how Logicalicaltist is ignoring my question. To me their contribution comes off as fake contribution.

I dont like this logic. If he had quickhammered and Korina flips town he would've had a ton of explaining to do on Day 2. That is a lot of unnecessary pressure on him he would have to fight off if he is indeed scum. Its too early in the game for that move

[Ythan]

all seems consistent to me as the actions of someone who is overly excited and has a raging role boner.

I wonder what kind of role Korina would have a boner for.

[Ythan]

I also dont like how that direction change is going to lead us down the path of talking about meta games and how people acted in other games. Personally i never find that useful information especially this early in the game.

So you've got no comment on all the meta Korina posted but then you're gonna say this?

[spicer1209]

I also dont like how that direction change is going to lead us down the path of talking about meta games and how people acted in other games. Personally i never find that useful information especially this early in the game.

So you've got no comment on all the meta Korina posted but then you're gonna say this?

Yeah...because like I said I dont think meta chasing is a good tactic ever, but especially this early in the game. A third of the players are actually going to read the games he posted. The other two thirds aren't because to be honest its boring and monotonous. Then we are going to end up talking in circles about whether or not another game, with all its different variables and factors, is applicable to the one we are playing right now. All the while two thirds of the players aren't going to be able to really know what they are talking about because they didn't read through the metas in the first place.

So yeah, i dont like that we are trying to get shifted to go down that road.

[Ythan]

I also dont like how that direction change is going to lead us down the path of talking about meta games and how people acted in other games. Personally i never find that useful information especially this early in the game.

So you've got no comment on all the meta Korina posted

but then you're gonna say this?

This part of my post though. You're explaining why it's bad not why you waited to attack the second person doing it after defending the first.

[spicer1209]

I also dont like how that direction change is going to lead us down the path of talking about meta games and how people acted in other games. Personally i never find that useful information especially this early in the game.

So you've got no comment on all the meta Korina posted

but then you're gonna say this?

This part of my post though. You're explaining why it's bad not why you waited to attack the second person doing it after defending the first.

Because I’m operating under the line of thinking that Korina is town and just spazzing and used that as a defense mechanism where as the other one saw an opportunity to shift the conversation to something less meaningful and substantial.

[midwaybear]

Searching for replacements for clidd and Korina.

[spicer1209]

All the fuss just to get replaced lol wut

[iamausername]

I also rally don't like how his activity fell off of a cliff once he got his second and third votes on him.

i don't think the votes on him are what caused BM to vanish, it's because he was expecting Korina to spew some more self-obsessed nonsense in the thread that he could weave into a tapestry of 'look at me, i'm a totally tunnel-visioned townie'. that's the role he decided to play, so when the target of his tunnel just up and disappeared, he just didn't know what to do.

once again, i did not ask Jesus about Korina's meta because i give a shit about Korina's meta. but if Jesus is using that as his sole reason to declare Korina to be town, i think it's reasonable to ask him to justify that. especially now that we know how incredibly flawed his basis for his other town reads is.

basically, i asked if he has read the games Korina linked because

i don't believe he has

, not because i actually wanted to talk about them.

if it weren't for pending replacements, i would happily return my vote to Battle Mage and put him at L-1 right now. spicer has some extremely wrong-headed thoughts on who his partner is, but is otherwise making good points.

[Logicalicaltist]

Wow Friday and still no Korina how about that.

Activity has nothing to do with Alignment.

[Logicalicaltist]

Scum Within: BM, Ythan, Jesus and Username after further evaluation.
With BM have the most likelihood of being CL with Any of the 3 as their partners.

[spicer1209]

Wow Friday and still no Korina how about that.

Activity has nothing to do with Alignment.

This is not entirely true. Is it a 100% accurate litmus test? No. However it’s not illogical to think that hiding in the shadows keeps you from getting caught.