Mini 2156: Launch Mob [Game Over]

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Mafia Goon gg

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Midwaybear

[innocentvillager]

this is a good wagon

[innocentvillager]

this is a good wagon

Are you serious? If so, why?

I'm always serious

Oh no!
VOTE: CantLynchAPuppy because I can.

scummy entrance

[innocentvillager]

announcing intent to hammer

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: midwaybear

ah fuck it whatever it's just the first day LOL

[innocentvillager]

Uh I don't see your name in the scum PT...

weird joke that I bet is probably one of those true "LOL I told you guys at the beginning of the game" things

[innocentvillager]

Anyways, I think Dunnstral is town for not letting the L-1 vote sit on me. Don't have anything solid on anyone else.

this is a solid read for you? id like to know more

[innocentvillager]

Uh I don't see your name in the scum PT...

weird joke that I bet is probably one of those true "LOL I told you guys at the beginning of the game" things

nvm in the context of MG's joke before this it's not that weird i retract

[innocentvillager]

I have replaced them for everyone's convenience:

1) Are you mafia or town? Town
2) Are you a luncher or a launcher? Launcher
3) Where did you get those scars? I don't have scars
4) How excited are you to play this game? 7.5 out of 10
5) Are you my mafia partner? No
6) Do you prefer playing as town or mafia?

Town

[innocentvillager]

ok!

[innocentvillager]

why me fry me

[innocentvillager]

2) Are you a luncher or a launcher? Launcher

I'd like to change my answer to luncher now if thats okay!

[innocentvillager]

i mean midway's iso does look like crap but

join the wagon battle!

it'll be fun

[innocentvillager]

My loyalty to midwaybear is unwavering...

for day 1...

not binding...

hm

[innocentvillager]

do we know that there are exactly 3 scum? or is it merely probable

please don't read into this question from an alignment perspective I just want to know thanks

[innocentvillager]

^i would ask this as town or scum.

[innocentvillager]

I just want to know what people's thoughts are on this, I don't have a good sense for closed game setup spec. But I've seen people ask this stuff multiple times in past games and it leads to some speculation about their alignment, so I wanted to acknowledge that I was conscious of this fact to make people read into it less. I hope me saying that doesn't make people read into it more -_-

[innocentvillager]

Happy birthday, Umlaut!

FoS: Ready2Rock

VOTE: ready2rock I can get behind this

[innocentvillager]

oh and happy birthday too Umlaut!

[innocentvillager]

i think BM leans town and 176 from rock felt weird. I hate the reason for voting BM and the side dig on Nosferatu both of which I disagree with

[innocentvillager]

Happy birthday, Umlaut!

FoS: Ready2Rock

VOTE: ready2rock I can get behind this

This post has a higher probability of becoming important later than most.

Is this just like an associations thing? Like it makes me/rock a less likely team?

[innocentvillager]

Dunn he's not even close to L-1

You're using adjectives like weird, awkward. Can you go into more detail and explain why it's actually a scumtell?

[innocentvillager]

Meh the reasoning for voting BM was ok, but I do agree that the jab at Nosferatu was pretty scummy.

Okay... where's the vote then?

I don't like the reasoning for voting BM. How did you feel when he backed off you? You were the one who was interacting with the most (tbf I didn't really through the whole wall wars, too many nested quotes and I got confused) so you should have the best sense of this. There's no reason that it's necessarily scummy to back off after grilling someone for a bit, which is BM's style anyway, and it seems more likely that lurkerscum!rock just needed some easy content to pass off as analysis. Like tell me genuinely why what he described specifically could be reasonably interpreted as scum motivated with some amount of thought and confidence.

That and the Nosferatu vote seems like an incredibly superficial analysis which he seems unnaturally confident in and I don't believe that he's read your wall wars in their entirety. Neither of these feel much like a real town process.

In general I hate these kinds of lurking catchup posts that just cast shade on people for superficial reasons without mentioning any townreads. As scum I get upset when townies get into a wall war with each other and subsequently unvote each other. I get upset when town forms townblocs. It's natural for scum!me to want to cast doubt on these. The fact that this is the material he decided to include in his catchup post is particularly incriminating for me.

[innocentvillager]

Yeah next time I'll maybe just PM the mod instead if have this kind of question or ask in the Mafia Discussion thread.

[innocentvillager]

[REDACTED - mentioned another ongoing game]

[innocentvillager]

wrong game sorry

[innocentvillager]

what do you guys think of ready2rock, Mafi I see you've joined my wagon

[innocentvillager]

like these posts from redrock

ehh they’re okay I guess... what do you like

[innocentvillager]

@IV: What's your read on BM and why? You say you disagree with my case, but you never explained.

I think this is consistent with town!BM tunneling to get reads on that slot, and not nearly as consistent with whatever scum motivation you didn't explain other than just mentioning it was "strange" and you didn't see town motivation

It kind of feels disingenuous that you are not able to see past this surface level while also not giving a clear reason WHY scum!BM is more motivated to do this, I'm sure you know that town can can tunnel with seemingly a lot of confidence and back off when they have gotten a better read on the slot. And I don't like that you don't like a lot of things by just casting shade and calling things weird or strange without much actual alignment analysis, this feels more scum than town motivated for reasons I've stated.

[innocentvillager]

I think he's playing like he would as scum

This is very helpful. I understand why you scumread me now.

This is very helpful. I understand why you understand why he scumreads you now.

[innocentvillager]

I'm not done with r2r but god this slot is so boring VOTE: Ydrasse

[innocentvillager]

would get ydrasse or dunn

[innocentvillager]

I think BM Mafi Blair bear are probtown

Idk about nos CLAP r2r

[innocentvillager]

this readlist is so boring I know gdi and boring read lists are usually wrong

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[innocentvillager]

dunn is obviously the easy ME here and 358 feels like town wording

[innocentvillager]

can you explain why you voted for dunn in the first place

because I was told to

[innocentvillager]

she's boring she gets a passing grade for scumhunting

boring people lean scum

Dunn is probably not scum

she's parked on Dunn

we need to launch a wagon

[innocentvillager]

if you can't tell im not exactly jumping out of my chair to launch ydrasse but we need someone.

[innocentvillager]

i hate r2r's recent posting if Ydrasse flips green.

[innocentvillager]

anyway with limited time my vote is on ydrasse we really need to launch this. if everyone wants dunn I'll get that slot too over a no launch for sure.

[innocentvillager]

ugh I was scared you would PR claim bc your boringness does kind of make sense with the pr claim :/

[innocentvillager]

what do we do guys

[innocentvillager]

i feel like I was partly the trigger for switching wagons and I'm SORRY YDRASSE AND TOWN (assuming real claim which feels like it is)

Why do I still think Dunn is town but I will switch there if it's our next best option at this point

[innocentvillager]

should we like, wait for everyone to post and see if there's a cc? how do ccs even work in normals?

[innocentvillager]

i hope im doing the right thing

i am an investigative role

[innocentvillager]

all i will say is if you look up my role in the mafiascum wiki it is classified as investigative.

[innocentvillager]

i can if you want me to. i just wanted to start with this but it looks like it's good enough to get people back to ydrasse.

i was thinking about cc'ing i just wasn't sure if this warranted a cc as I'm not sure if our roles can be in the same setup. I got two opinions and decided to claim since we have 5 hrs left

[innocentvillager]

I am not a watcher or a tracker or a follower or a voyeur. I have no modifiers on my ability

[innocentvillager]

okay fine my role is in that top row, is that enough?

[innocentvillager]

I am only as confident as the information I am getting from you guys

[innocentvillager]

where do I learn more about setup spec, is there like a forum I can go to understand what roles can coexist in a closed game?

[innocentvillager]

I am only as confident as the information I am getting from you guys

I don't like this.

Retracting intent.

He's counter-claiming without telling us his role

or

taking any responsibility for the outcome.

I'd rather launch Dunnstral today and let the PR claims self-sort.

I think this is a townie retract, if Blair was Ydrasse’s partner I don’t think she does anything this conspicuous

[innocentvillager]

@blair I mean sure you can launch me tomorrow if this doesn’t flip red lol. I’ve told you I’m a full Neapolitan Gunsmith or Cop. I don’t really understand setup spec. What else do you need from me

[innocentvillager]

y'all just claim for funsies bro i can't even rn

should I not have claimed?

hi i’m awake

is there a reason that inno/i couldn’t exist together except for setup stuff? rber comes to mind

i’m not gonna ask what inno is exactly bc id rather not but s:

Yeah I wasn't sure but the predominant opinion is we can't coexist sooooooooooooooooooooooo idk sorry you're scum probably?

[innocentvillager]

if you're town i just threw the game sorry lol gg scum.

[innocentvillager]

Mini Normal 1919

Moderator:

ThinkBig

Current Update:

Game Over [Awaiting Archiving]

Player List:

1. SergTacos,
   Vanilla Townie
   , killed night 2
   
2. Klazam,
   Vanilla Townie
   , survived
   
3. Trivium,
   Vanilla Townie
   , lynched day 2
   
4. Umlaut
   replaced Boonskiies
   ,
   Town Odd-Night Cop
   , lynched day 4
   
5. TwoFace,
   Vanilla Townie
   , killed night 4
   
6. Empiricus,
   Vanilla Townie
   , survived
   
7. Mulch,
   Vanilla Townie
   , survived
   
8. Carcalilly,
   Mafia Odd-Night Roleblocker
   , killed night 1
   
9. Tchill13,
   Mafia Goon
   , lynched day 1
   
10. Fykus,
    Mafia Goon
    , lynched day 5
    
11. Branson,
    Vanilla Townie
    , lynched day 3
    
12. Vedith
    replaced shuffleplay
    ,
    Town Vigilante
    , killed night 1
    
13. Dunkerdoodles,
    Town Gunsmith
    , killed night 3

This was the only instance I found in the Normal Setups where a Town Gunsmith was in the same setup as a Town Modified Regular Cop. Thoughts?

[innocentvillager]

Yeah just from doing a control F on the completed mini normal setups, I think it was like

1/21 for Town Gunsmith
0/8 for Town Neapolitan
0/44 for Town Cop

to be paired with some Town Modified Regular Cop

I like those odds

[innocentvillager]

like I did a ctrl f on each of those roles "Town Gunsmith", "Town Neapolitan", "Town Cop"

Saw the number of results for each of them (21, 8, 44)

And clicked through the instances one by one to see if there was also a Town Modified Regular Cop in the setup.

I only found that one instance I quoted above with the Town Gunsmith.

[innocentvillager]

i kinda think partner is in [Mafi, Nos, bear, r2r] as I'm townreading the others

Mafi I think is the least likely to be scum of these 4

[innocentvillager]

oh lol no I didn't claim Gunsmith but I certainly could be one

[innocentvillager]

If you're both scum, you're a fking terrible partner

LMAO

can you imagine a world Ydrasse and I are scum, I survive to LYLO and don't get hammered

[innocentvillager]

hi i’m awake

is there a reason that inno/i couldn’t exist together except for setup stuff? rber comes to mind

i’m not gonna ask what inno is exactly bc id rather not but s:

yeah Ydrasse has just given up, she's "awake" but not here with 2 hours left to go and this was the only thing she said in the past 2-3 hours

[innocentvillager]

g g