Grand Idea GPick [Game Over]

[Porkens]

Good morning

I shot drew; you’re welcome.

Also there are no aliens in this game, and bingle is conftown

[Porkens]

I read over the last couple RL nights. No big write up but chateau is my biggest scumread and I have a tow pile of about 5

[Porkens]

Hey . Good to see your ears again!

[Porkens]

lol friendly neighborhood rolecop here porkens is an alien sympathiser and is crumbing that by claiming there are no other aliens (and is therefore a VT) but he's not bc i'm still alive

This is a lie.

I am not an alien although this slot for a brief moment pregame was an alien, but not anymore.

VOTE: hellbooks

I vigged drew because I thought his claim was most likely fake and even if it was real it would still be an arguably useful shot.

Borning lied about being town coconut, although the real role is very near on the same page.

Also I received a message from the mod that I can only use my abilities once more this game.

[Porkens]

Double post: bingle is confirmed not-mafia because borning checked him night 2 with a one shot cop ability.

[Porkens]

I don’t know what hellbrooks motivation is to lie, but if he rolecopped me he knows I’m not alien sympathizer.

I’m a kind of joat.

[Porkens]

Not true according to the replacement packet I got:

Night 2: role-cop on Bingle, result: not mafia

[Porkens]

Something going on, none the less.

[Porkens]

Not an alien.

[Porkens]

I'd rather not completely full claim but part of the GRoll included an alien rerollsympathizer viewtopic.php?p=11447928#p11447928

[Porkens]

I haven't really analyzed Bingle since I had a town report on him right away replacing in.

I had a pretty firm townread of hell books from my read through, but if he's claiming a report that I'm an alien he is just flat lying.

[Porkens]

That was a soft by the way, another part of the role

[Porkens]

morning picked page 293 and got Town Green Glass Door: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&p=11274015&hi ... #p11274015

boring did NOT get a green card-dealer card. I can check again but I think it was yellow or red.

[Porkens]

Morning picked 293 and got Town Green Glass Door.
Picked Alien ReroLLsympathiser: no aliens exist in the game: rerolled
Landed on Werewolf Jack-of-All-Trades
The Town Green Glass Door made us a Town Werewolf JoaT.

1 shot doc unused
1 shot RB unused
1 shot cop used night 2 on Bungles
1 shot vig used night 3 on Drew.

also, in case it got lost in the shuffle (lol) I did NOT get a card last night AND "[my] special actions can only be used once more" from morning message.

[Porkens]

N1 boring submitted no action.
1st viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&p=11274015&hi ... #p11274015
2nd viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&p=11447928&hi ... #p11447928
3rd/last viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59348&p=9315524&hil ... k#p9315524

[Porkens]

MT: I don't know the answers to either of those questions. I assume hellbooks is lying about his report (if he actually has one) and bingle is telling the truth and something fucked with boring's results.

As to the rest your guess is as good as mine.

[Porkens]

Yes my current role is Town Werewolf JoaT (because of going through town green glass door). I'm 90% that's why boring went so far out to avoid realcaliming.

[Porkens]

Green glass door was first, so following roles were town

[Porkens]

I guess I could see that theory, but I guess I assumed a team wouldn’t fakeclaim so early

[Porkens]

Actually farside was in the very first game I played on site. We won as town together. I never noticed that trait

[Porkens]

Swift werewolves 3. She hammered the last scum viewtopic.php?p=1201609#p1201609

[Porkens]

Borning lied about being town coconut, although the real role is very near on the same page.

imagine lying as the town in response to the town guesser wanting to guess your role to confirm you and get a doc shot. that's not something town does

I don’t know what hellbrooks motivation is to lie, but if he rolecopped me he knows I’m not alien sympathizer.

I’m a kind of joat.

she, and you're scum

i don't know what weird role shit happened but the simplest explanation is that you're lying through your teeth

I am not alien, and I know mechanically there can be no aliens, so it is you who is lying through her teeth. What I don't understand is why you would set yourself up this way. why is it so important you get me lynched today, even though my flip will expose your lie?

I realize how unlikely a town werewolf sounds, and I think that's why boring bent over backwards not to claim (although they left a pretty strong roadmap through crumbs)

as to bingle, ninja, massblock, etc. I have no clue.

[Porkens]

We should lynch hellbooks. She is lying, her flip will confirm my claim, and I can save/block someone tonight.

[Porkens]

We should lynch hellbooks. She is lying, her flip will confirm my claim, and I can save/block someone tonight.

That doesn't explain why binge didn't see you target him.

I have no explanation for that.

Ok so if that’s the case Titus is conftown.

[Porkens]

Again this is a flat lie. I am neither alien nor sympathizer. Someone asked why would hellbooks gambits like this and I have no idea.

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote

Good that makes more sense than your suiciding does, I’m fine with it.

I was going to say we should push chetau next, but pig man/looker is also fine.

VOTE: looker

[Porkens]

I didn’t see a way SB could hurt the town unless they were scum siding, whereas drew seemed more dangerous/swingy

[Porkens]

This feels like an attack renewed whence an opening found. All parts of my claim add up save the no-visit report from bingle.
My understanding was the consensus on Quick/SB had them 3p that could win with the town.
Drew’s claim meanwhile felt like a gambit to me at worst, and dangerous at best.
Quibble my target as you like that’s your prerogative.

[Porkens]

To reiterate I did not get a card this morning

[Porkens]

Ooh ok then it’s blue

[Porkens]

Vig kill is debatable
I’m not accountable for Boring
I suspect the reason was fear of claiming werewolf. Coconut townie is on the same page and really close (next to?)

[Porkens]

You'll just have to ask boring in post - I can't speak to that

[Porkens]

El minus won

[Porkens]

We are forcing the unclaimed to...claim

[Porkens]

Looked replaced pigman.

[Porkens]

@titus trying to force the claim. Iirc bingle initiated
@farside she retracted

Chataue continues to scream scum.

[Porkens]

Hellbooks, when does “gambiting” cross the line into “lying”?

[Porkens]

Hellbooks, when does “gambiting” cross the line into “lying”?

is this to suggest you believe starbuck over me -- or is this still about me faking a guilty on you?

Have you ever heard the story of the girl who cried wolf?

[Porkens]

Should squeeze claims out of the rest of the unclaimed now

[Porkens]

[i am unsure as to who is lying currently. Porken's role sequence is very convoluted..]

There is absolutely no motivation for me to lie about anything wrt Porkens. Either I'm town and wouldn't lie or I'm scum and he's faking an innocent on me.

Revision, revision:

Bingle - Self Targeting Motion Detector - Red Card

Iconeum - Conftown

Battle Mage - Post restriction

Titus - Town Pheremone Seeder (loverizes folks)

- Yellow Card

MT - "Town 1-shotizer"

- Blue
farside22 - Used to be "Town Effort Saver" - Role changed N3
hellbooks - "Anti-Weak Rolecop"
TrueSoulEnergy - "Knowledgeable Townie"
Porkens - JOAT with an impossible innocent on me.

Looker - No claim
ManateeDude - No claim
Chateau Lobby - No claim
Starbucks/Quick/dsjster - Hellbooks claims she investigated this slot as "3p bomber"


Mechanically, the lynch pool should be Looker, MD, CL, Farside, Porkens, TSE, hb. We know there is scum there (at least 2 if Porkens is town). I'm still inclined to believe TSE's claim is real. I'm inclined to believe Farside's claim is real, although I'm interested in what her role changing meant, since we've seen nothing to suggest that's possible. I'm also inclined to believe hb for the moment, although if she holsters tonight I'll probably want to lynch her for it tomorrow.

If we don't lynch Porkens today, he should probably holster until the reason behind our weird interaction becomes clear. All of his abilities are pretty bad for town if there's a redirector in play, and that's the only thing that really makes sense to me if he's town.

VOTE: Looker

Did I miss a manatee claim?

[Porkens]

Oh right.
VOTE: Chatau Lobby

[Porkens]

I just did a search in GI for the word “claim”
“ and read through the results. It’s not a long list but I find it hard to believe any of those are what’s going on here. It’s only 3 pages will someone check with me?

[Porkens]

Hellbooks appears to be an unreliable measure so I’m not sure what good that does.

I’m fine lynching chateau, lookers posta haven’t been good either also fine voting there, I have a soft serve townread on manatee.. I can’t really wrap my head around loverize strategies

[Porkens]

Mostly avatar I guess

[Porkens]

How many more do you need?

[Porkens]

God this game. It’s all roles, there’s no scumhunting by play, it’s al roles. Hellbooks should be lynched 3 times by play huh because there’s a 1/20000 chance of some kind of magic lyncher that doesn’t even come close to happening. My hands have been thrown up for a while now

[Porkens]

As an aside manatee is starting to hard ping scum to me. Lurking to replacement and then. Oning back only to ask that someone does a summary is ...

Also chateou is doing the same with their “just tell em who to vote” idgaf

[Porkens]

It doesn’t, I’m just acknowledging that my town vibe on him isn’t substantiated on anything.

The claims are important and continue to be. These are my contemporaneous reads based on recent activity.

So you are fine with hellbooks fake claims but mine want to lynch me for borings?

[Porkens]

VOTE: hellbooks

L-1

[Porkens]

I’d vote looker but we are lovers

Did you get any visitors last night bingle?

After your answer I’ve got something to say

[Porkens]

Ok I was roleblocked, good to know.

I lied about rolling through alien reroll sympathizer. I was alien fishing. I initially thought I caught one with hellbooks. But then she claimed role cop.

Now I understand why hellbooks was herself looking for aliens: she knew they are in the game.

And this, I believe, is the alien: viewtopic.php?p=6318346#p6318346

VOTE: titus

[Porkens]

Well that’s a good point, I guess I wasn’t necessarily roleblocked, but I didn’t consider whatever happened night 2 would last multiple nights. That does make more sense in a way since there was no kill. I swear I’m not ninja to my knowledge.

I had an inkling before that. It was actually hoctic that brought it up. That pinged me so I did a little research on aliens in the GIdea thread and saw the rerolle sympathyser. I realized I could fake claim that pretty seemlessly and dig a bit deeper.

[Porkens]

If scum is on the hellbrooks wagon it has to be within the last few slots to vote there once the lynch became inevitable. Titus was position way too early on that wagon imo to be scum.

Morning Tweet, Porkens, ManateeDude. Thats the hellbrooks L-2, L-1- and hammer.

Hellbrooks was parked on porkens which also sets off a red flag.

Why aren't we lynching porkens instead?

Maybe we can convince titus to loverize herself with someone to kinda "leash" her?

VOTE: Porkens

This comes as absolutely no surprise.

[Porkens]

I just saw Porkens' claim on Titus, too. That's not a bad wagon either. I'm just preferring those who were trying to steer us away from the hellbooks lynch.

Porkens definitely qualifies. Plus, he admitted to alien hunting over mafia hunting. Mafia have kills. Aliens don't. They may not even exist either.

We also still have a mafia card dealer in play too. It makes sense to hunt that.

They don’t? I didn’t know that so you are straight claiming alien?

[Porkens]

Is everyone just blindly trusting the word of a the dead scum? How do we even know aliens exists in this game?

There is no non-alien pheromone seeder.

[Porkens]

Also chateau is clear hard-defending his partner and (I’m assuming) fellow alien

[Porkens]

Oh there’s an alien pheromone seeder (but I think you know thaaat)

[Porkens]

Townie

(role up to mod discretion)

The moderator chooses your role but not your alignment.

Alien Pheromone Seeder

Loverizes two people for the night and following day, giving them Day- and Night Talk.

Since this is still a thing, my literal role is Townie. I literally would have been conftown if Hotac guessed my role. I picked page 314 because it's my birthday.

The mod then assigned me Phermone Seeder.

Correct me if I’m wrong chateau, but this is the first time you’ve cared about anything h Th is game, right?

[Porkens]

Something like that, sure. Keep playing dumb I’m sure it’ll work.

[Porkens]

At the time there was a general wave of claiming. Drew claimed his negative utility. It was a decent time to get it out there.

[Porkens]

She’s an alien, so is chateau. There haven’t been nightkills. I do suspect one last red scum, but this is alien faction. Kill it dead.

[Porkens]

Oh yeah duh your right on the cards. Regardless of the red scum, there have not been multiple night kills and nights with no kill which indicates a no killing faction present. Couple that with hellbooks knowledge of aliens, chetaus sudden interest in the game and defense of the alien pheromone seeder, and bobs your uncle we got aliens.

[Porkens]

I have a red card.

I'm fine with a CL lynch and absolutely expect an alien flip VOTE: Chetau Lobby.

I disagree with townreading Titus's shenanigans.

Someone floated the idea of "any role can be town" so does that apply to the card dealer?

I used my doc on bingle last night.

[Porkens]

Good point. Thanks

I want looker dead but I don't wanna die. I think bingle is picking and choosing which parts of which claims he feels like believing.

[Porkens]

Please don't fucking lover kill me. Lynch looker tomorrow and flip CL. Let me at least see some alien blood while I'm alive.

[Porkens]

I'm starting to get paranoid that manatee is the 3p bomb, otherwise id be there.

[Porkens]

Sorry, I'm sure I missed it but I'm tired and your right here MT, why don't you want to Lynch CL?

[Porkens]

K can you help me understand that because he just looks like alien sympathizer to me.

[Porkens]

also what is your role claim?

[Porkens]

oh yeah, right you one-shotted me how could I forget.

So you aren't afraid that manatee is 3p bomb?

[Porkens]

also still like to know what you think CL is and why he's untouchable. I mean you've voted for him previously.

[Porkens]

I remember we talked about this and determined none of those roles were likely.

So you are NOT afraid he is 3p bomber?

the loverize conversation is bordering on the absurd. If the action resolved at night, why would we not be informed until morning?

[Porkens]

If CL had done anything to present a protown approach, perhaps I'd be inclined to trust.

[Porkens]

I remember we talked about this and determined none of those roles were likely.

So you are NOT afraid he is 3p bomber?

the loverize conversation is bordering on the absurd. If the action resolved at night, why would we not be informed until morning?

[No. he could be a 3p bomber yes. I have no idea since i have nothing to work with. Also huh i don't remember that, i haven't speculated on his role til now tbh]

[why would you get a PM in the middle of the night telling you that you're loverized? that makes no sense. If the role loverizes you for the night and the following day, then as a mod i would make it so the lovers only get daychat. Why would be they be allowed to talk on the previous night?! think of it as they're loverized the moment actions resolve]

actions resolve at the end of the night...

@MOD Does this game use NAR?

[Porkens]

To be honest I don't understand the point of the conversation at all except that some part of the claim doesn't line up with apparent reality. What's puzzling to me is how certain single and you are that the alien pheromone seeder is actually town and using this discrepancy as some kind of wedge issue.

[Porkens]

[Well, right off the bat, what's more likely-- Titus went all the way back to like page 20 of grand idea, or she chose the one that matches her birthday? The explanation of her getting the "Townie (Reroll role)" right at the top of her birthday page, then got assigned a random ass alien role at the beginning of the thread makes a lot of sense to me. Yes she could be alien but also, there hasn't been an alien nightkill yet.]

[we can also use Titus' power to get double lynches. she can't use it nefariously. she can't be the card dealer since we know she has the power. There are a lot of reasons to pick others over titus]

[Also she is definitely a pheromone seeder since hellbooks was hellbent on finding an alien for some reason. She saw the "Pheromone Seeder" and assumed alien]

[i'm not interested in arguing with Starbuck over the hellbooks lynch much]

Interesting how Bingle and MT don't want interact over this.

NOTE this please, everyone.

[Would you like me to? I really don't want to cause i think it's pointless-- i've already said what i think, you disagree with it, i want to move on cause i have 0 hope of convincing you. but we can talk more if you prefer]

alright I could probably be convinced to Lynch manatee if that's the case and I'm the alternative :/

[Porkens]

I believe that would be optimal.

[Porkens]

Well the upside is we have 8 days.

[Porkens]

Im considering Starbucks as confirmee not town

Not caught up btw

Some thoughts/guesses from confirmed town would be helpful.

I dont think I've ever been more confused by a game... im getting that alongside an alien faction there is still a 3p bomber even though a result on Starbuck was false.. I also saw BM claiming a guilty on me which is very confusing bc I dont see any follow up on the matter. All in all im very confused, worn out and tired from this game. if someone could figure out my role that'd be great

What page? Or page range? Also, did you feel hellbooks's lynch was imminent at the time of your hammer?

---

• Is it safe to say that two members corroborating a fakeclaim could be aliens at this point?
  
• I have to ignore Porkens for today because I'm attached to him. I have to move to the next most likely anti-town.
  
• I don't think anyone's afraid of Titus's loverize; I think it's moreso a roleblock mechanic. We haven't been claiming the card colors.
  
• If Starbuck wants me to claim my card, I will.
  
• If Titus is alien, I don't see her being alien alone. My guess is Chateau Lobby or ManateeDude.

VOTE: ManateeDude

I don't see why this would be expected to be fun.

Why don’t you say anything in our lover chat? And why do you think Titus is a roleblocker?

[Porkens]

Wait, what were Titus’ targets for each night?

[Porkens]

N1 - Farside & (Ircher?) (no nightkill)
N2 - Ircher & Starbuck (Quick) (hoctic nightkillEd)
N3 - Iconeum & Starbuck (drew vigged by porkens)
N4 - Looker & Porkens (no nightkill)

Sooo if the loverized is also RB then I farside+looker is a real possibility.

But pheromone seeder doesn’t roleblocked soooooo not that likely I suppose

[Porkens]

Do you see TSE and bm connected other than Poe?

[Porkens]

Ok yes I had a yellow card so I think that confirms the RB last night

[Porkens]

I was just confirming the question about last night, maybe I misunderstood the question.

I get the issue with my visit not showing up to you. Wasn’t addressing that.

[Porkens]

So I roleblocked bingle?

[Porkens]

So I roleblocked bingle?

I have never been roleblocked, because my role has always had a result. I would get a different result if I were roleblocked than if I were targeted by no one.

Sorry autocorrect I was asking if I am to roleblock bingle in farsides plan

[Porkens]

Me too :/

[Porkens]

hang in there be well

[Porkens]

I didn’t check the lover pt before I shot off my mouth, apologies. And I see how I misread your statement about the RB. Not intentionally misrepping

[Porkens]

Explain your vca

[Porkens]

Explain how the positioning flagged you?

[Porkens]

Explain how the positioning flagged you?

I'm just ASSUMING that HB's buddies are more likely to jump on the wagon on the latter half when the lynch becomes inevitable.

Or course that type of reasoning can be considered WIFOM but what isn't WIFOM in this game?

A mechanical approach isn't even plausible in this setup so we need to test all waters (i.e. VCA, vibes, associations, etc) at least until we get something more substantial to work with

Your theory is that I’m HBs buddy?

[Porkens]

I keep forgetting TSE is in this game

[Porkens]

Yep

[Porkens]

I’m trying to decide if porkens seemingly forgetting he claimed to be targeted is AI.

???

[Porkens]

Sorry I have no clue. I see nothing in the daystart PMs that’s any different from the opening post in thread. Why are you saying “porkens forgot he claimed he was targeted”?

[Porkens]

And what makes you say I seemingly forgot?

[Porkens]

I had 4 1-shot abilities. The message I got was “you can only use your abilities once more.” Since they are separate abilities, I think the one shoterizer effectively did nothing to me.

[Porkens]

Alright. I’ll put my “bingle is a godfather” hat right next to it

[Porkens]

That looks a lot like omgus.

[Porkens]

The case you made 1400 posts ago? Same one?

[Porkens]

Chetau Wagon is going nowhere, but I think

VOTE: manateedude is close to consensus.

[Porkens]

That's fine to feel that way, but there is no other lunch on the menu for today so it's really one of the two or a nolynch.

[Porkens]

Manatee claims he cannot claim but isn't lie detector.

[Porkens]

Holy shit

[Porkens]

Fucking bingle and titus were fucking aliens ! Gggraaahhh! Vindication!!!!

[Porkens]

Oh shit there’s a wolf faction what up my brothers

[Porkens]

Lol hell yah you are

[Porkens]

So I’m thinking one wolf and one red scum left

[Porkens]

But I guess there could be more aliens too

My role passed through town green glass door

[Porkens]

So titus loverized starbuck and battlemage? You h oh maybe they redscum made contact with the aliens somehow

[Porkens]

Yeah not mafia as opposed to innocent.
God and bingle was just lying about not seeing me, iggg it all comes into focus now
I was going to read ISO’s with. Starbuck and Hellbooks for associativs and look for other hellbooks role calls. Remind me how iconeum is confirmed?

I’m not great with VCA if you wanna look theee I think it’s worth it

I’m still mostly thinking chetau and looker, watch for scum trying to coordinate too from here on out if they can coordinate nightkills somehow it’s bad news fast.

[Porkens]

So titus loverized starbuck and battlemage? You h oh maybe they redscum made contact with the aliens somehow

How do you know this? You seem to always be pretty confident in assumptions. Wasn't it just yesterday you proclaimed me to be scum with titus???

“Know” is a misrepresentation, I was theorizing so because there were four dead and lovers would account for some of that (although not all, that’s still one kill too many). I was expecting you to claim vig in fact.

What are you accusing me of, how would I know anything about who got loverized? Titus wouldn’t loverize herself or Titus. Do you think there were four individual kills last night?

[Porkens]

Quick (9) -

Titus

, farside22,

hellbooks

,

Battle Mage

,

Ircher

,

Doctor Drew

, boring (porkens), Chateau Lobby, TrueSoulEnergy [LYNCH!]

Two Girls One Vote (9) - Iconeum, Chateau Lobby,

Titus

, Pigman (looker),

Battle Mage

,

ManateeDude

,

Doctor Drew

, Chemist1422(MT),

Ircher

[LYNCH!]

Ircher (7) -

Titus

, boring (pork), farside22,

Doctor Drew

,

ManateeDude

, Chateau Lobby,

Ircher

[LYNCH!]

hellbooks (7) - farside22,

Starbuck, Titus,

TrueSoulEnergy, Morning Tweet, Porkens,

ManateeDude

[LYNCH!]

ManateeDude (7) -

Battle Mage

, Porkens, Chateau Lobby, farside22, Morning Tweet,

Starbuck, Titus

[LYNCH!]

So what your showing us here is you were on every lynch with hellbooks except hers.

[Porkens]

why do you wish you protected Bingle, the flipped NON-town?

I don't mean for it top be interpreted as I am sad that Bingle died. I am more curious as to how the kill on Bingle was successful and negating the protect.

What? You are contradicting yourself here. You lament that you didn’t save him but wonder why your save didn’t work?

Fucking bingle and titus were fucking aliens ! Gggraaahhh! Vindication!!!!

I could tell they were groupscum.
Didn’t think Aliens though.

It seems fairly onvoois they were paired in retrospect.

Gatta go to work, I’ll do my homework when I can.

[Porkens]

What? You are contradicting yourself here. You lament that you didn’t save him but wonder why your save didn’t work?

There is a reason my protect didn't work, I was wondering why that was. Regardless of Bingle's alignment.

FTR, I understand it is good that it didn't work but still the question of why remains.

Did you target bingle last night?

[Porkens]

Ohhh I get it “I should have protected bingle” wasn’t a regret, you are saying the protection didn’t work. What color card did you have CL?

[Porkens]

[

Iconeum

- Friendly Neighbour - Verified Town]
[

Morning Tweet

- Claims One-shotizer] I know this power exists

Farside22

- Claims Effort Saver turned VT] day proves this I believe
—-
[

TrueSoulEnergy

- Claims Knowledgable BM is town]
[

Looker (Pigman)

- Claims Named VT]
[

Chateau Lobby

- Shielder

só any of the bottom three could be card dealer. BM was widely townread so I can’t rule out that TSE was taking a calculated gamble.
Looker seemed so burned out and sour about town yesterday I don’t see him as either redscum or wolf, though this could be faked as well as the named townie claim.
Chateau’s shielder clam is plausible but as card dealer he would be very well aware of the yellow card effects and that would have a lot of the same effect.

[Porkens]

Why would boring soft a scum role?

They were scum, and they were both voting for us, so yeah your theory checks out- we are both town.

[Porkens]

VOTE: chetau

I’ll roleblock tse tonight

[Porkens]

Okay so I wasn't sure how my role worked. I picked from page 230 and I received Town Effort Saver.
When Quick stated he wasn't aware of being lynch proof I thought maybe the role I picked might be the reason and I verified it with the mod.
So in a sense Quick being lynched day 1 would have ended the game right there and he would have won on day 1 if he is indeed 3P.
This leads me to believe Quick is a 3p that should be shot with this knowledge. I'm also scum reading titus whom seems to pushing this idea of Quick as scum and trying to say that lynchproof is impossible.

vote: Titus

[Porkens]

Next iteration, if needed, I’ll combine the two tables into a master document and...oh shit I’m still at work somehow

[Porkens]

That’s not meant to be snarky just silly

[Porkens]

Oh my god we are a perfect centipede

[Porkens]

I didn’t get to my hellbooks analysis yet, is she the one who called showstopper lynched?

[Porkens]

Nope it was MT afaict

[Porkens]

Is that everything you feel like to commenting on?

[Porkens]

You 1 shorted chetau 2 nights back? He repost using his ability every night:

I guess I can claim now since it will be asked of me sooner than later. And besides last night was the last night that I could have used my ability since I got the ability restriction yesterday.

I am Town Shielder

Targets:
N1: Drew
N2: Titus
N3: Titus
N4: BM
N5: Bingle

Not sure what happened last night but I should have protected Bingle.

I thought of the TSE/HB connection, hence the roleblock there, but...
I think with that revelation yeah we kindly escort looker Out the door and RB chetau.

VOTE: looker

[Porkens]

That’s a hammer

[Porkens]

Ok here it goes. I asked the mod what would happen if we got down to two unaligned scum, what would happen. He confirmed that both scum factions would tie. I’m werewolf and I’ll kill iconeum. If the other scum is still alive, kill someone else. I’m putting all my money on this, but if we just lynched card dealerbom fucked anyway too many clears. And I claimed wolf already and it’s only a matter of time till you figure that out lol.

Oh and please god don’t let looker have a blue card

[Porkens]

To be clear I kill iconeum, you (chetau please be dealer) don’t kill me, you won’t survive too many clears. Kill someone else, then there are 4, we nolynch tomorrow and kill the last two.

Also sorry Ifigênia fucking up here.

[Porkens]

Chetau are you the dealer?

[Porkens]

Mornin
I blocked chetau. Just need to mop up!
VOTE: chetau

[Porkens]

Ok I was roleblocked, good to know.

I lied about rolling through alien reroll sympathizer. I was alien fishing. I initially thought I caught one with hellbooks. But then she claimed role cop.

Now I understand why hellbooks was herself looking for aliens: she knew they are in the game.

And this, I believe, is the alien: viewtopic.php?p=6318346#p6318346

VOTE: titus

Agreed TSE

[Porkens]

My claim stands true.

So you deny being one shotized ?

[Porkens]

Which jight were you 1 shotized

[Porkens]

Ohhh I get it that isn’t a contradiction of his claim, I see.

I was hedging against missing on looker or more than two scum left and trying to run interference. Also kinda hoping CD chetau would answer but turns out gambits don’t really work when no one is online :/

[Porkens]

That’s where I think it would have fallen flat in any case too, I was thinking about it later and realized what I should have done was claim card dealer instead

[Porkens]

Chetau: what debunked claims are you talking about?

Farside: do you mean you know you were targeted through mod confirmation?

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Chetau's line towards TSE calling it a slip while voting me don't mesh.

If farside got a visit report night 6, fine, but otherwise I'm confident hanging chateau wins the game

[Porkens]

I'm pretty much in the same place MT. I think the lack of night kills is the biggest counterpoint but yellow cards are a thing.

looking back though I'm confused again. Why is farside on the list for N6?

[Porkens]

OH no sorry I'm conflating two lists sorry. please disregard

farside: never mind I get it now

[Porkens]

CL’s pivot to TSE only came after his vote on me failed to get a second. That + the roleblock pretty much convince me. The nokills I think we’re due to yellowcards and my doc save of bingle + shinanigans.

I think farside claimed the effort saver on starbuck, no?

[Porkens]

CL: What that I said are you claiming was direction from me to you to vote for TSE?

The only 2 lies were rolling through alien reroll sympathizer and that I would kill iconeum. Both were explained but again; There was alien talk early in the game, way before I replaced in. I saw an opportunity to flush out any aliens and I took it. I ran interference in the event A) that looker flipped orange town and B) on the off chance there were two scum left anyway.

Boring checked Bingle, and went from a scum read to a townread over night because of it.
I killed drew there is no CC to that.
I doc'd Bingle and there was fewer kills that night.
I RB'd CL and there was no kill.

My claim up because it's true. CL is scum here.

[Porkens]

[however! there was no kill last night. And if Pork is the last scum, no-killing there and getting Chateau exiled doesnt win him the game. So why was there no kill other than maybe cuz of a roleblock?]

[unofficial VC]
Chateau Lobby (3) - Porkens, farside22, TrueSoulEnergy [E-1]
Porkens (2) - Chateau Lobby, Iconeum [E-2]

Well, Pork could be an alien himself. And since assuming that Titus loverized and killed a couple night backs would mean there are no more alien factional kills since titus' role PM says that aliens can only kill once.

You voted for me while calling out TSE for a slip. I pointed that out to illustrate your self-contradiction.

[Porkens]

I didn't say you weren't, but I don't recall you expressing a 2-scum-left opinion at that time, and it looked like flailing for an 'anyone but me' counter wagon.

[Porkens]

and your 100% townread of TSE is based on...?

[Porkens]

porkens how do you explain the lack of a nightkill?

because as far as i know, you called a roleblock last night on CL while you were one-shotted already so??

When I replaced in I caught up on the thread. ALIENS were brought up two or three times. First in a sort of jokey way, then in a semi-firm kinda accusatory way, and then it just sort of fizzled out. I did some research in the GI thread found the alien reroll sympathizer, and saw an opportunity to rattle the cages of any aliens that were actually in the game.

After majority yesterday, while I was fairly confident that Looker was some flavor of scum, I was also worried about coordination between remaining scum, and so I made up a scenario to run interference. It was all pretty last minute as it was late in the night, and I knew I'd have to explain in the morning if I were still alive. It was also possible that I'd catch a nightkill for it if any remaining scum wanted a solo victory or if there were multiple scum left that had already coordinated in the thread. Since I'm spent of all usefulness anyway, I thought it was worth the risk. I announced my intention to kill iconeum hedging on the margin that scum did go along with my "plan" we would still have a clear.

I roleblocked CL last night; and that's why I think there was no NK. Of course there may be another scum that holstered, or another alien, but I think the simplest explanation is the former.

I started the game with 4 one-shot abilities. The one-shotizer made my abilities one-shot redundantly so there was a net zero effect.

I have a very narrow pool of remaining scum candidates, and CL is at the top.

[Porkens]

If CL isn’t Werewolf then I think Farside is that had an ability to save their buddy.

Why do you label me as Werewolf and not alien or MAFIA?

2 Alien.
2 Mafia.
1 Werewolf.
Where’s the other Werewolf?

Farside’s Claim is legit fake.

Why are you sure it's 2, 2, 2 and not 2, 2, 1, 1 or 3, 2, 1 or any other configuration?

Have you found a scum effort-saver in the GD thread?

[Porkens]

porkens how do you explain the lack of a nightkill?

because as far as i know, you called a roleblock last night on CL while you were one-shotted already so??

When I replaced in I caught up on the thread. ALIENS were brought up two or three times. First in a sort of jokey way, then in a semi-firm kinda accusatory way, and then it just sort of fizzled out. I did some research in the GI thread found the alien reroll sympathizer, and saw an opportunity to rattle the cages of any aliens that were actually in the game.

After majority yesterday, while I was fairly confident that Looker was some flavor of scum, I was also worried about coordination between remaining scum, and so I made up a scenario to run interference. It was all pretty last minute as it was late in the night, and I knew I'd have to explain in the morning if I were still alive. It was also possible that I'd catch a nightkill for it if any remaining scum wanted a solo victory or if there were multiple scum left that had already coordinated in the thread. Since I'm spent of all usefulness anyway, I thought it was worth the risk. I announced my intention to kill iconeum hedging on the margin that scum did go along with my "plan" we would still have a clear.

I roleblocked CL last night; and that's why I think there was no NK. Of course there may be another scum that holstered, or another alien, but I think the simplest explanation is the former.

I started the game with 4 one-shot abilities. The one-shotizer made my abilities one-shot redundantly so there was a net zero effect.

I have a very narrow pool of remaining scum candidates, and CL is at the top.

I also thought there was a non-zero chance that CL would just reply and expose himself which would make things easier today.

[Porkens]

How could it win me the game if I didn’t know how many scum were left? I was also clearly fine hammering looker, who was pretty obviously scum. As I’ve explained, I was trying to run interference to hedge against possible scum collaboration. The “sorry if I fuck this up” is an apology to the town in the event the gambit got me mislynched. Who would I be apologizing to otherwise? Ideally I was hoping to catch the nightkill or preserve our clear. Yes I was open wolfing because I am a wolf, but I’m a town wolf. It’s not the end of hope though, so here are my thoughts on tomorrow:

I believe all the role claims that have been claimed except for CL and TSE. Ive looked for something that explains the failed lynch and I have found nothing except town effort saver that could do that. Farside is telling the truth imo. I also have not found a one-shotizer that’s not town aligned that makes any sense here. mT is town. Ico is misguided (not totally unfair) but obviously town.

So that makes it down to TSE and CL.

I roleblocked CL last night, which you will confirm with my flip. I think the razor is clear here that CL is therefor maf. However, it’s possible that Maf TSE holstered last night in order to frame CL. TSE’s play today is suggestive that that is the case. His votes have been all over the place, he is ignoring the relative watertightness of the two claims I mentioned, and even went for noexecute earlier.

Really, the only thing holding me back from the TSE direction today has been the roleblock on CL. On the CL side of the ledger, I can see his play coming from a protective roll as well. But again, roleblocked and no kill.

Tomorrow you should do a deeper dive into the TSE/CL isos to have the best shot.

axtually after really thinking it through here I’ll switch to TSE today. TSE very well would holster last night, and his play has been far scummier than CL.

VOTE: TSE. if we don’t eliminate TSE today, Consider this my suggestion for tomorrow. But again, read up.

[Porkens]

Mechanically it’s CL, by play it’s TSE. I don’t see CL going through today with this push on me. Ideally we’d lynch CL today and that would end the day. Failing that mop up TSE tomorrow. But if I’m the lynch today your most likely in mylo tomorrow, and if you can’t get. Oth, I’d shoot from the hip at tse based on play.

But you are right, stay the course, do the right thing, yards yards
VOTE: CL

[Porkens]

End the game*

[Porkens]

Would you put any stock in a TSE+CL scum possibility?

[Porkens]

I’m not following, effort saver was your role right?

[Porkens]

Effort Saver
Roles that end the game when they win cannot win until Day 2 or later. They are deathproof until Day 2 to compensate.

This one, right?

That slot would end the game if they won so they were lynchproof. Am I missing something here?

[Porkens]

Oh that also explains no kill night 1 duh

[Porkens]

“Roles that end the day when they win...are unkillable until day 2”

I might be reading it wrong

[Porkens]

End the game*

[Porkens]

Exactly. I mean it doesn’t really matter but I’d love to be alive for the win, so let’s hang chateau at least

[Porkens]

Ugh the problem is tomorrow you are going to have to lynch correctly between cl and TSE or it’ll be game, assuming not alien. I guess it probably works out to roughly the same but I don’t want to leave that oportunity wife open. If we hang cl and he’s town, I’m dead tomorrow. That gives the win to TSE. THE THINGNIS TSEs claim has the most wiggle room.

I’m just worried that town is going to lose and it’ll be my fault because of my twilight wifom. so I can’t just say go for it it doesn’t matter. I need you all to realize that my role is not fala or. The green card, the night actions, it’s too many moving parts to be feasibly made up. I thought I was helping with my interference but it could actually cost us the game.

Scum TSE totally holsters here. But the razor says it’s CL. I really really want to hang cl. That ~should~ end the game. It’s also totally possible that there are two scum left in which case we will have to dance this dance all over again tomorrow.

[Porkens]

But I doubt it. If I’m wrong on CL then it’s this dance all over again.

[Porkens]

But again, razor says it’s CL

[Porkens]

TSE scum 100% holsters in this situation.

[Porkens]

Great, then vote CL

[Porkens]

TSE scum 100% holsters in this situation.

That just seems silly to me. Tse as part of the mafia makes sense given scum knew roles in the game and its an easy fake claim from there. Cl and tse could be scum together.

You got me I’m an alien mafia werewolf.

Boring copped bungle and got a not-mafia result.
I pushed my pet aliens theory and advocated for Titus hung for pages.

If two aligned killing scum are left, they kill last night. In that case CL dsubmitte the kill = no kill
If twos disaligned then one could holster or not have a factional kill or both
In either case where there are two scum left, CL is 0ne of them.

With 0ne scum again it’s mechanics vs play.

[Porkens]

There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape, but even after admitting this, there is no catharsis. My punishment continues to elude me and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

[Porkens]

Gg heartbreaker I should have kept my mouth shut and killed ico

[Porkens]

I really thought CL might be dealer because I thought the oneshotizer caught him in a lie. But rwally I should have known better. Ugh, thank you tho

[Porkens]

My shame at my twilight confession is s only matches by my pride in Town Green Glass Door Alien Reroll Sympathyzer Werewolf JoaT.

[Porkens]

I wish I had had the guts to just ask for coordination in that PT. Looker would you have gone for that if I had confessed and asked to coordinate?

[Porkens]

Aw thanks MT that made my day

I had sooooo much fun this game!

[Porkens]

I kinda thought you might live and learn!

[Porkens]

I liked it all a lot