Mini 2156: Launch Mob [Game Over]

[Nosferatu]

i think that if dunn flips red so does blair but not the other way around

I wanted to vote you for this because it makes zero sense, but then I realised I should probably townread you for it for exactly that reason.

Wait, actually, I thought about it more and it does make sense. It's like when someone checks someone else with the identity thing in secret hitler and claims the other person is liberal (town). The person making the check could still be fascist (scum) while the person being checked is liberal, but if the person being checked is fascist, then the checker has to be fascist.

Does that work for reads like it does for mechanics? Maybe. Elaborate if you can please.

u never heard of associative reads bro?

[ready2rock]

UNVOTE:

Right now I'm not liking BM all that much. He's claiming that he had both town and scum tells from midway, but I only ever saw him give midway the least charitable reading possible and sounded very sure midway was scum (see: his iso read at 110) until he decided to push someone else, then suddenly he was having a slight town read on midway all along

VOTE: Battle Mage

@BM What specifically gives you any town vibes on midway? And when, if at all, did your read change?

That all being said I don't like Nosferatu's entrance into the game all that much either, very combative

Happy birthday Umlaut!

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 1.4

midwaybear

(3): Ydrasse, Blair, innocentvillager

CantLynchAPuppy

(2): Dunnstral, Mafia Goon

Dunnstral

(1): CantLynchAPuppy

ready2rock

(1): Nosferatu

Nosferatu

(1): Battle Mage

Battle Mage

(1): ready2rock

Not voting

(1): midwaybear

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-08-04 23:30:00)

Notes:

• Thanks for the birthday wishes!

[Blair]

Happy birthday, Umlaut!

FoS: Ready2Rock

[Nosferatu]

That all being said I don't like Nosferatu's entrance into the game all that much either, very combative

ill fight u on that

whats bad about being combative

[Ydrasse]

I’m not really sure how much BM actually believes in his Nosferatu push. It feels like a dumb push to make.

my question is: are dumb pushes more prone to come from town or scum though.

[Ydrasse]

bm i feel it's... a bit much to expect the second a person show up they lay out a grand platter of stuff for us to chew upon.

You're misrepping me - I haven't said I expected that. But let me remind you of the sequence of events...

i feel like this is going to devolve in a pedantic back and forth because i don't see it as a misrep fmpov.

*offers hand* agree to disagree?

[Ydrasse]

@battle mage: regarding your 110

1) what makes post 31 awkward? i don't really see how it feels out of place.

2) the way you're viewing post 42 feels at odds with your view on post 39. isn't midway outing a towny gutread being liberal with his allegiences?

also i'm admittedly not great at gauging people when it comes to meta/going through old games but midway doesn't feel as aloof/combatative as he did last game when pressure was applied to him. i think that the top of 113 is a bit aggressive but other than that it feels sort of relaxed in comparison?

that being said, nosferatu, why do you say that about dunn/blair? i didn't take anything away from their exchange personally.

these posts all rub me the wrong way, just something about askind other people these questions when there's not much out there looks IMO like busywork, it's the kind of thing i'd expect from scum figuring out how to settle in early phase

but this is minor stuff so we can work on it

i am willing to accept the L (and use less question marks when i'm not really asking questions)

[Ydrasse]

i think i understand nosferatu's stance on dunn/blair a bit better but i might also be no thoughts, head empty.

[innocentvillager]

Happy birthday, Umlaut!

FoS: Ready2Rock

VOTE: ready2rock I can get behind this

[innocentvillager]

oh and happy birthday too Umlaut!

[innocentvillager]

i think BM leans town and 176 from rock felt weird. I hate the reason for voting BM and the side dig on Nosferatu both of which I disagree with

[Blair]

Happy birthday, Umlaut!

FoS: Ready2Rock

VOTE: ready2rock I can get behind this

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[CantHateAPuppy]

I got tricked into reading some of BM's walls I forgot what page I last read to and ended up reading page 7 on accident

The bonus is I think BM looks pretty town

[CantHateAPuppy]

I especially liked these two posts:

Spoiler:

I’m not really sure how much BM actually believes in his Nosferatu push. It feels like a dumb push to make.

The first sentence may be fair. The second is not, and I would like you to explain it. I am a firm believer in the value of putting people under pressure and seeing how they react, and also getting people to put some words out there, and not just lurk and avoid scrutiny. It's objectively pro-town and the right thing to do, irrespective of my alignment, so I'm surprised to see you dismiss it off-hand.

bm i feel it's... a bit much to expect the second a person show up they lay out a grand platter of stuff for us to chew upon.

You're misrepping me - I haven't said I expected that. But let me remind you of the sequence of events...

Nosferatu shows up:

Seeking a replacement for Nosferatu.

oop

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

^ Not clear what the question above means, or why he voted where he did (although could be random, not necessarily, and worth asking). It does seem though, from the post he picked out, that he has likely been following/read at least some of the game.

This is his only contribution and then he goes away for a bit.

I show up to ask for a bit more explanation of his only post:

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

excuse me?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: nosferatu

Rather than responding and giving any more comment to allow anyone to evaluate his slot, or to put his own opinions out there to influence the discussion, he is evasive and dismisses my question:

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

excuse me?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: nosferatu

ur excused

Subsequently, I follow up by reiterating that question and pressing him for more opinion/comment.

Nosferatu hadnt posted for ages, and when they did turn up (only after being threatened with replacement), they posted nothing useful and didn't want to engage in a dialogue to help sort their slot. It's what I call the road to rome special.

lmao i wasn't threatened with replacement, i was in the process of being replace and i happened remember i signed up for this in time to not get replaced.

ah, I guess I was a bit ambiguous

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

wtf is this? ELABORATE

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

ur telling me that blair geniunely believes dunn took back a L-1 vote cause he was feeling self conscious?

thats crazy bro

Nosferatu - what's your thinking on the game so far? do you have any reads/views?

i think that if dunn flips red so does blair but not the other way around

Ok, why arent you voting Blair then? Is that post really the only thing you want to comment on? FWIW I basically agree with Ydrasse assessment in #159.

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: Noseferatu

I don't have any strong reads and I want to sheep on this for a big

[innocentvillager]

Happy birthday, Umlaut!

FoS: Ready2Rock

VOTE: ready2rock I can get behind this

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Is this just like an associations thing? Like it makes me/rock a less likely team?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: midwaybear
L-1

I think he looks kind of awkward here

[CantHateAPuppy]

Where?

[Dunnstral]

I was thinking your strong reaction was based on him quickhammering/almost quickhammering me because he does that a lot as scum.

You acknowledging this makes your earlier arguing look weird

[innocentvillager]

Dunn he's not even close to L-1

You're using adjectives like weird, awkward. Can you go into more detail and explain why it's actually a scumtell?

[midwaybear]

Meh the reasoning for voting BM was ok, but I do agree that the jab at Nosferatu was pretty scummy.
I'm liking puppy for puppy last few posts, but idk why.

[midwaybear]

Inen is probably town for this. It takes some real perspective shifting to fabricate this line of thought. I'm disappointed, Inen; we would make good scum partners.

Can you explain what you mean by perspective shift? I do townlean IV, but I don't understand how you derived it from the posts you quoted.

i missed you too buddy! have you solved the game yet? oh god please say yes

Why do you expect mafia goon to solve the game? I can't really tell if you're serious about this, but you have asked mafia goon this at least once before too.

my question is: are dumb pushes more prone to come from town or scum though.

They come from both alignments.

i am willing to accept the L

???

My take on what Nosferatu means about Blair/Dunn is that Blair's push on Dunn didn't make sense and thus might have been too informed. However, I think Blair raised a fair point. Also, do you still scumread me blair?

[CantHateAPuppy]

I expect Mafi to solve the game because he's town and my plan is to lurk and take all the credit. I thought I was clear about this

[Mafia Goon]

You doubt my gamesolving abilities, midway? It'll be your first and last mistake.

To answer your question, Launchy: Yes, I have solved the game, but it wouldn't be fair to everyone if I just spilled the beans now. I want everyone else to have some fun first before I end the game you know.

VOTE: redrock

Why is being combative scummy?

Pedit: IF you're my partner, Launchy, you can just say. No one will take you seriously and this game will become a lot easier.