A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Gentleman 1]

Who said anything about mafia? Don't slip on the dance floor, Lady 7.

[Gentleman 1]

We only need to correctly identify 1 T-T pairing to win, right? Then yeah, that sounds pretty solid.

[Gentleman 1]

How is a werewolf/vampire/warlock (from now on will be referred to as a vamlolf) going to pocket an IC?

[Gentleman 1]

I agree with all your reads, Gentlemen 8. We're really mindmelding here, bud.

[Gentleman 1]

Yeah, that makes sense. I was thinking too narrowly about townreading someone = pocketing them.

[Gentleman 1]

Watch this, ladies.

I perform a back flip

[Gentleman 1]

Oh yeah, I didn't consider the vamlolf/vamlolf possibility. That ever happened before in a previous iteration?

[Gentleman 1]

I agree with Scarf Man. Most call me Comic, but my friends call me Sans.

[Gentleman 1]

Sure pal. Might want to ask about the location thing first, mod did specify to not edit locations.

[Gentleman 1]

Also, reading last game, it looks like several people posted with their mains on accident and had to replace out. What I’m doing to mitigate that is by only logging into this alt on Safari (while I use Chrome for my main). Also, in your login settings you can change the theme, so I changed the background of my alt to bright orange. That way it’ll feel pretty different on my alt vs my main.

You're some kind of monster, but I appreciate the commitment.

[Gentleman 1]

I don't think I get it yet tbh. Can 5 more help me understand?

[Gentleman 1]

Slips hold a lot more value for scum to pull off here actually. No meta to examine, and no way to tell if the person is the type to miss something like that. In my case, I missed it obv, but they shouldn't be given much weight overall.

[Gentleman 1]

Nope.

[Gentleman 1]

I think it would be hasty to call anyone strongly already, but I would agree that Lady 7 is townpings

I think that if she’s scum then she’s mechanically hurting herself for a lot of towncred compensation, which is possible but it probably wouldn’t be my first step and I don’t think it would for that many other players if they rolled VWW either

[Gentleman 1]

What's wrong with my bro Scarf man?

[Gentleman 1]

I kinda like Scarf man admitting he had no reads yet honestly. It'd be easy to BS one or two town pings as scum.

[Gentleman 1]

I want to dance with Sans 1

Pretty please?

Have we met before in a previous life? Is that you, Undyne?

[Gentleman 1]

(Undyne is a video game character - not talking about mains here, don't worry)

[Gentleman 1]

Sans please. Calling me skeleton is like calling Gentlemen 2 human.

[Gentleman 1]

I want to dance with Sans 1

Pretty please?

That's what I am saying G1.Sans stole my heart.

Sorry. Don't have one as a skeleton, so I borrow others sometimes.

[Gentleman 1]

I have some amount of town feelings from L1.Crying, L6.Seal, L7.Blue, and L8.Spirit in the ladies.

[Gentleman 1]

Perhaps! I am a ghost of sorts. No connection to this fish lady you speak of, though

I may sweep you off your feet soon, but I imagine it'd be pretty easy with you being a ghost and all.

[Gentleman 1]

L3.Misty, did you have any sort of read on your dance partner before accepting his proposal?

[Gentleman 1]

Why? I think scum are more likely to lolpropose and accept, given they just don't want to die.

[Gentleman 1]

Also... I've made up my mind.

Lady 7, may I have this dance?

[Gentleman 1]

The answer wasn't no though, Yugioh man. I would've liked Lady Misty more if she said she was completely null on you and went for fun reasons. Her response though is pretty nully.

[Gentleman 1]

OK, why'd you accept?

Back flips aren't all I have up my sleeve btw. I'm saving a front flip for later.

[Gentleman 1]

Are you trying to seduce me

[Gentleman 1]

Maybe in another life, Coach man.

[Gentleman 1]

I promise...

[Gentleman 1]

Hey pal, how could I laugh at something like that?

For a second I thought you were leading into this.

[Gentleman 1]

I like Gentleman 5 even if he doesn't believe in me.

I proposed to L7.Blue because she was the towniest and she feels like a partner I can solve with. L8.Spirit has been even townier since though and she's tempting me to the dance floor with her glamor. Can I have two offers out?

[Gentleman 1]

I proposed to L7.Blue because she was the towniest and she feels like a partner I can solve with

blue lady 7 literally said that she's not gonna solve with anyone in the PT, sans

Seriously?

[Gentleman 1]

I proposed to L7.Blue because she was the towniest and she feels like a partner I can solve with

blue lady 7 literally said that she's not gonna solve with anyone in the PT, sans

I'll be honest this was a lie after I thought about it.
As I'll likely already town read the person I am paired up with I won't have a reason to aggressively try and sort them.

Stop playing with my feelings like that...

[Gentleman 1]

I like Gentleman 5 even if he doesn't believe in me.

Do you scumread anyone?

L5 agreeing with the L7 townpings while downplaying the seriousness of early reads in general feels a little off to me, along with the LAMIST comment later.

Nothing else right now.

[Gentleman 1]

You and Lady 4 are out of the others' leagues in that list

[Gentleman 1]

L1.Cry
L2.Rosalina
L3.Misty
L4.Salad
L5.TBD
L6.Seal
L7.Blue
L8.Spirit

G1.Sans
G2.Suit
G3.Collar
G4.Tennis
G5.Skyrim
G6.Scarf
G7.???
G8.Prince
G9. Pegasus

For my own reference. Feel free to sheep my excellent nicknames though.

[Gentleman 1]

You and Lady 4 are out of the others' leagues in that list

Quiet wolf the townie people are trying to play the game here.

Explain why I'm wolfy?

[Gentleman 1]

Why am I salad

You're eating salad - fine salad, might I add.

[Gentleman 1]

I think that's against the rules, so if anything, it confirms it's not that person in a weird way?

[Gentleman 1]

I ship L8.Spirit with G5.Skyrim or G4.Tennis. although, it doesn't sound like Spirit/Skyrim would be a healthy relationship right now.

[Gentleman 1]

Actually, G3.Collar's posts so far aren't great. Explaining his locktown energy read on me by arguing G1/L7 is less likely to be scum than G1/L8 is really not answering the question. Also, I didn't say or suggest the reasoning in 359. Could be TMI?

Collar, when you return to the dance floor, could you explain why you answered Skyrim's question in such a way, and why you assumed I picked L7.Blue over L8.Ghost for those reasons?

[Gentleman 1]

Lady 3 is pretty null for me. Her 325 makes her early accept NAI I think.

[Gentleman 1]

I actually am leaning scum on L3. I think randomly accepting the dance and then vanishing doesn't make sense.

She posted for the next 4 hours after accepting. What do you mean by vanishing?

[Gentleman 1]

The sentiment still reads as pretty genuine to me?

Like even if you think you would do it as town, it's pretty ballsy to insta-accept as scum when you could potentially face heat for it as well as potentially end up with a scummy-looking partner.

Maybe. I see what you mean.

[Gentleman 1]

Welcome back, L5.TBD.

What's your favorite type of cheese?

[Gentleman 1]

Unsure if really passionate about Shakespeare or cheese.

[Gentleman 1]

I’m definitely not reading all of this. Summary please?

[Gentleman 1]

I’m definitely not reading all of this. Summary please?

My ISO is probably a rough parse, but I am active enough where you can likely form a read without reading it.

My scum read that matters the most right now is on Gentlemen 9, you should probably read through his ISO in particular if you want to be up to date on my town reads.

The pair I think has the highest odds of being town is Lady 6 the seal and Gentleman 3 Sherlock.
Otherwise the other pair I am sort of into is Gentlemen 5 boromir and Lady 8 the ghost. Lady 8 being the least confident of the bunch.

Not much has happened in terms of game actions for me to give you a good summary on so I am just listing notable players to you that you can try and depend on.

Those are pretty ok reads to anchor yourself on this game at the very least the town reads are.

This should help somewhat, thank you.

[Gentleman 1]

So I didn’t get much from that but I’d guess if you’re reading G9 as scum you’re reading L3 as town based on his treatment of her?

[Gentleman 1]

What wrong with Ankamius/Alyssa?

[Gentleman 1]

I did a read through of G7’s ISO and I think using some advanced levels of strategy, G7 probably has an ally in the ladies. The way G7 postured about pairing with L6, the level 1 play here, feels like a false indicator of there being no scum in the ladies, as the level 0 play imo would be positioning yourself to pair with an ally later in the dance phase. My guess would be the partner might be among the following people

I ask Lady 6 to the dance.

Definitely the cutest, most honorable and townie looking lady.

I don't trust Lady 1.

2 and 4 aren't as good.

5 is too masculine

With L1, L2, and L5 being the ones I’d want to look into most, followed by L4 and L6.

Part of the early game is puffing up your reads somewhat. Arrogant or lying is a big overstatement. If everyone took this attitude, there wouldn't be any early game at all!

Sure there would be. We would still be asking ladies to dance.

Lady 4, may I have this dance?

It seems to be what our companions here wish. I am ready to find out why.

This is why I feel like it’s posturing btw, he comes back into the thread with 0 acknowledgement of his previous attempt at courtship.

[Gentleman 1]

Oh shoot I forgot I don’t have to remove the pre-video ID segment for a url

F to my attempt to be creative

[Gentleman 1]

The part that makes Lady 7 townie to me isn't the fact that she faked a townslip it's that everyone was buying into it. Maybe a TMI that lady is town. The rest of the stuff is pretty basic that you could look up by seeing the other dance games.

I got left in pre dance last game so I'm sorry if I'm a little emotional today.

Is there a lot of this? I'd assume statements regarding who you were in the last game to be against the rules.

[Gentleman 1]

I believe I am the hardest slot to read due to my alluring posting and complex motives.

I think G2 and G7 should make 1 final post each or something along those lines and then we move on. This is dragging on in circles.

Hot take: If you told me all the dirty wolves were in the guys I wouldn't call you crazy.

Still doesn't mean I won't stop from sending G1 and L7 down the river though

Killing number 7 is a huge mistake
doing so would make my heart ache
All you need to do is look at the signs
and you'll realize his posts are fine
In time you'll find the real fake

Big thonk

I don’t like what I’ve seen of L1 so far

[Gentleman 1]

Wtf Gent 7 was a vampire who did that gimmic all game? I'm like, disappointed and surprised at the same time

This refers to the insistence on pairing with L6 right

How is that a not-scum gimmick? Like, wut *visible confusion*

[Gentleman 1]

Yeah L1 doesn’t look good to me at all. Seemed really agenda-driven pre dance, and seems to be attempting damage control now

[Gentleman 1]

Wtf Gent 7 was a vampire who did that gimmic all game? I'm like, disappointed and surprised at the same time

This refers to the insistence on pairing with L6 right

How is that a not-scum gimmick? Like, wut *visible confusion*

I apologize for thinking G7 would put in effort into the game and not be useless as scum.

Clearly I should be executed for such assumptions

That’s probably a smaller portion of the “damage control” portion of your ISO

Also can someone answer my question about whether callbacks to the last anonymous dance are common?

[Gentleman 1]

Wtf Gent 7 was a vampire who did that gimmic all game? I'm like, disappointed and surprised at the same time

This refers to the insistence on pairing with L6 right

How is that a not-scum gimmick? Like, wut *visible confusion*

I apologize for thinking G7 would put in effort into the game and not be useless as scum.

Clearly I should be executed for such assumptions

That’s probably a smaller portion of the “damage control” portion of your ISO

Also can someone answer my question about whether callbacks to the last anonymous dance are common?

I have nothing to damage control. Did I think Gent 7 was town? Yeah and I knew when I saw the flip I was gonna get pushed but that doesn't mean my points are false.

No one was gonna go to end game with Gent 7 he wasn't trying. So in my mind scum are more likely going to bus him then defend him. If you think that's false than prove me wrong. But you just saying I look bad because I defended the not trying scum isn't really a point.

I’m not saying you’re playing damage control for defending them, I’m saying you’re playing it for your questionable progression on them. For have them on your second-from-the-bottom read tier you seemed a little too unwilling to let him go. I don’t think it’s the unwillingness itself that’s bad, but that combined with his placement.

[Gentleman 1]

I believe I am the hardest slot to read due to my alluring posting and complex motives.

I think G2 and G7 should make 1 final post each or something along those lines and then we move on. This is dragging on in circles.

Hot take: If you told me all the dirty wolves were in the guys I wouldn't call you crazy.

Still doesn't mean I won't stop from sending G1 and L7 down the river though

Which of these was the thing you meant to post wrt the Gentlemen mentioned?

[Gentleman 1]

[G9, G5,]
[G3 G6]
[G4 G7]
[G1, G2]

[L4 L5]
[L6 L8 L3]
[L2, L7]

This is where I’m seeing G7 being second-from-the-bottom, referring to the tiers

Though it might have been developed past this point, even with that I’m still skeptical about why G7 was getting poetry saying not to eliminate him versus G4 if G4 was really more of a townread.

[Gentleman 1]

Yeah actually that doesn’t read as any sort of recognizable agenda with that correction, still not a fan of the damage control but it’s probably not enough to substantiate a vote rn

[Gentleman 1]

Just to make it clear the damage control thing isn’t really related to any other concerns, I just noticed L1’s action in First Dance felt like that and called it as I saw it
Because I feel like I might have made it seem like the damage control was related to the agenda point, and it wasn’t really.

[Gentleman 1]

I have to agree about the UTR acronym being confusing, for the longest time I'd only really seen it for under the radar, it's only been recently that I've seen it used as universal townread.

[Gentleman 1]

well G7 flipped mafia, kinda would be a point for L2?

[Gentleman 1]

well G7 flipped mafia, kinda would be a point for L2?

Why would that be a point for L2?

why would scum just leave their partner out to dry just like that? It seems rather foolish, do you think the mafia would have been hurt more by them pairing than losing a number immediately?

[Gentleman 1]

okay I got mixed up since both 2s paired with both 4s

[Gentleman 1]

If the question is, does Lady 7 ever let a scum buddy die, I am not sure, it's all wifom because G7.vampire could have gone for a "big AtE" play and tell L4.Salad to bus him anyway in hopes of being an end game pair.
I am leaning town and I am not voting them as a result, but honestly I wouldn't be that suprised if Salad ended up being a werewolf or warlock.

SLIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

VOTE: Lady 4

Is this a genuine call out or nah

[Gentleman 1]

It's possible Lady 4 is scum and I don't mind getting to leave this game so I can return to my original account. I just kind of feel bad because she said she didn't want to leave so soon when she noted she would have to pair with G7 or me.

This is probably the best post you've made all game tbh
pedit: Only if you want it to be

Well I’m townreading L7 so not really

[Gentleman 1]

hmm

vote: gentleman 8 / lady 5

just going to sit on this for a while

wut...

I guess L5 will be a very interesting read

[Gentleman 1]

And I think G3 is a good player to understand the nuance of town scum matches are not necessarily bad, but he's lumping them all trivially in the same bucket

I-yes

I don't think he's ever denied that

*obviously* they are not *necessarily* bad

but in a game where your early priority is to town block and in fact finding a few T-T pairs is a win condition all on its own, it is not optimal from your POV for one of your town reads to pair with not a town read. It also makes getting rid of that pair harder / less optimal if that scum read persists because one half of the pair is a town read

like why are you being so obtuse about this

Huh, I guess that makes sense, but my thoughts on this game is that the early priority is to identify potential scum and figure out whether they have a partner that can identify said scum and leave accordingly, since the majority of elimination comes from leaving dances rather than voting

Uhhh is there a reason it has to be that way? If it’s just experience talking I get it, but I get a sense you’re putting the cart before the horse here.

[Gentleman 1]

Hm that is true that I was interested in L2 early on too. I think this was the same reason for you that I was getting gut town vibes. I would say I was preferring both of you equally until you went with G3.
Why did you ask that question? Do you think there's a reason scum me chooses L2 over you?

This doesn't make sense, which happened first, why does it sound like both could hae been first the way you say this

I know people have been suspecting G4, I think I might see why

[Gentleman 1]

what's this about a townslip now

[Gentleman 1]

I can't really make that call until I get better context, but that's probably how I'm leaning based on the general reaction to it

[Gentleman 1]

Would either G2 or G7 flipping scum help your reads to a significant degree?

I guess G7 flipping scum would be more informative given his proposal to L6.

I want to hear your take on what the proposal means

also reading up to this point in L2's ISO L1 seems to have had some much worse takes than I initially thought just reading her posts, now that I see how L2 is responding I do't like L1's pushes much at all I think

[Gentleman 1]

Pokedex is excellent, but why do you say that L4 "picked town at the end"?

was this answered, if not I'd like if it were

[Gentleman 1]

okay I saw the answer and it's not a "scumslip" but it's hella weird. Seems a bit like a reach.

[Gentleman 1]

despite the early lack of tangible content I definitely feel like L5 is town, and I think I can understand why they weren't really feeling it earlier, it can be difficult to produce effort out of nowhere

[Gentleman 1]

despite the early lack of tangible content I definitely feel like L5 is town, and I think I can understand why they weren't really feeling it earlier, it can be difficult to produce effort out of nowhere

Request 14 Dayvig shots

I take it you agree? Honestly I would not be opposed to a plan like that minus the fact it would make that pair a prime target during intermission. I'm the one who played russian roulette with 5 of the six barrels loaded, you know

[Gentleman 1]

Tier S+ “Uh, setup says Hi”
{Gent the 8th, Gent the 6th}

That's right, I'm going to actually towncase myself. I'd say "deal with it" but I suppose this one is gonna get skipped. Assuming you read literally nothing of the current-me's as town indicative, there's still one HUGE marker towards "The player who overwhelm-replaced is genuine in their inexperience and replace-out reasoning" that seems to be getting severely glossed over or flat out hasn't been considered yet.

That is to say... this global rule:

Spoiler:

Subject: A Gentle Reminder about Replacement Rules

A Reminder of Replacement Rules:

Due to a recent uptick in reports regarding public discussion of replacements coupled with an influx of returning members, we would like to provide a brief reminder about the rule change as of April 2019 that we have made regarding replacements.

3. Replacements, while sometimes necessary, also serve as an outside influence. As such, do not tell other players to replace out. Do not publicly threaten to replace out of a game. If you do need to replace out, do not publicly discuss your reasons or anything else, as you are no longer a player in the game. PM your game moderator if you are considering replacing out or have concerns and believe another player should be replaced out.

4. Once a replace-out request has been made public by the moderator, the player replacing out is to stop posting in the game. The player is not allowed to replace back into the game or rescind their request. If a moderator wants to allow any deviation from these rules, it must be stated explicitly in their rule set.

We have been lenient with reminders/notifications instead of official warnings over the previous year as the site adjusted to these changes. This PSA serves as a public notification that we will not be lenient moving forward. To simplify things:

1.

All

replacement requests (replacing in or replacing out) must be done via PM with your moderator. Once the moderator has acknowledged (publicly or privately) that your replace out request has been received, you may not rescind the request. There are no exceptions to this rule.
2. Telling other players to replace out is strictly prohibited.
3. Publicly threatening to replace out of a game is strictly prohibited.
4. After you have sent the replacement request to the mod, or the mod notifies you that you are being replaced, you may not post in the game thread.

This is not an attempt to prohibit replacing out of games. The purpose of this rule is to eliminate metagaming, whether it is by making threats of replacing out to create the impression of emotional distress or by telling someone to leave the game to do the same. As we have stated in other public announcements, mafia functions on a social contract. Faking out-of-game emotional reactions to manipulate other players is similar to faking out-of-game personal crises for the purpose of manipulation. We expect our players to treat each other with basic decency. Everyone is here to play a game. Social manipulation will take place within the context of the game. There is enough ugliness in the world already, let's not create more in this space for the purpose of a minor edge within a game at the expense of other's emotional well-being.

If a game moderator wishes to deviate from these rules, it

must

be explicitly stated in their rule set. Implications of a rule change do not count.

Frequently Asked Questions:

Q: What if the game moderator force-replaces me but I want to replace back into the slot?
A: You must PM the moderator.

Q: What if it's in their rule set that I am allowed to replace back in if a replacement hasn't been found yet?
A: Unless their rule set explicitly states that you may post in the thread after you have been notified that you are being force-replaced, you may not post in the thread.

Q: What if someone is causing me real emotional distress?
A: If someone is creating a hostile environment in game, outside of the normal bounds of mafia, report their posts.

Any player that has been here for some time is going to be aware of this rule. Does an established or otherwise knowledgable player risk the global "no public replaces rule" JUST to replace out with towncred? I know I certainly can't sit here and say that such a trade would ever be worth it in my book.

And yet, here's my predecessor doing just that:

I'm overwhelmed by the amount of posts and the alt names and I'm going to replace out, as opposed to struggling through this. I bit off more than I could chew (this is my second game), I need to ease into some micros or something before I try another large theme game. Good luck everyone, I hope everyone slays it (it being mafia) on the dance floor! Hopefully since we're only a few hours into the game, my replacement won't have too much trouble catching up.

...being overwhelmed doesn’t really impact alignment you know. Scum can have genuine emotion that they play off of.

[Gentleman 1]

btw, just as a general reminder, be wary of putting people a couple at L-1 if we aren't ready for the conversations to end

(i know that isn't a danger for the first couple that gets voted out but still good practice to keep in mind)

still good to mention now, people can get hasty with leaving sometimes

[Gentleman 1]

I townread L1 from very early on and she hasn't done anything to merit that read changing. She's adopting a playstyle that the vast majority of people would be either unable or unwilling to fake as scum-- spontaneous, unconcerned with consistency or appearance, provocative (see the princess thing), and also at the same time interested in solving and understanding the game. I could link posts but I think I would just end up linking her entire ISO as evidence of this.

I can kinda see that but I also don’t like the approach I’ve seen from her and the things she seems to be pushing are questionable, especially early on

[Gentleman 1]

reading someone on playstyle seems like a very silly idea in an anonymous game

[Gentleman 1]

why do you need separate axes for town and scum

btw where’s G6’s continuation of his reads

[Gentleman 1]

i understand why our pair is being voted and it pisses me off cuz I like this game but whatever
G2 can't be allowed to live to endgame

we haven't talked at all in our PT btw

yikes

i dislike G6's readslist esp his self-towncase based on replacement (which is ???)

i have too many scumreads ugh
but they're all confined to three pairs which is nice

Self towncase comes from town probably because that’s a pretty shady reason he used.

could you explain? I’m trying to piece together what the logic might be and am drawing a blank

[Gentleman 1]

Do you think there's a non-neglible number of players that consistently posts more (and what they're posting isn't fluff) as scum rather than town?

I'd say every scumteam should have at least one good scum. Gent 7 was probably the scum who couldn't keep up with the thread so he fell off. The other two scum must be in a fairly good spot if not better.

I appreciate you trying to think about the game but this is just gambler's fallacy.

I have played games elsewhere that had a rule of including experienced players on the scumteam, it was a very controversial rule

I don’t think that’s the case for this game fyi

[Gentleman 1]

could you explain? I’m trying to piece together what the logic might be and am drawing a blank

I was thinking that scum wouldn't try to stretch the logic that far in trying to prove themselves town. He was referencing the old G6's replace out and I don't think scum would try to use that as a defense.

I’ll wait to see if I agree until G6 responds to my rebuttal then, as I think that’s important to interpreting the logic

[Gentleman 1]

Gentleman 5 and Lady 2 are the most suspicious here.

I’m honestly more interested in G5 since several have expressed interest in L2 and I already have a bit of an opinion on L2, though it’s rather predicated on other conclusions.

[Gentleman 1]

man
g6 spares what little time he has in the day audio logs the contents of his heart into his PT on his drive to work
L7 is posting the special edition read pyramids in her PT for her man
G5 and L8 are discussing reads together and probably blackboarding
and my PT is "could you please vote L4 since you said you scumread her and you're vanity wagoning right now??" "Wow do you really think the team is Lady 4 + me exactly you must be bad"

lol

could you actually fill me in a little bit more on what’s happened in your PT, I’m interested in what else G9 has been saying.

[Gentleman 1]

My thing on G3 SNIP

We should restrict this to content characteristics and not content volume, because this game is hyperactive and there's every indication G3 is posting just as much as he can within his lifestyle

But with that constraint in place his most recent takes are not as spicy as the L8 scumcase entrance I'd agree and that's a cattle prod for a search for other potential final pairs

well I have to object to that because I myself am working around a rather busy irl (though I’ll probably get a small reprieve for the weekend), but I am managing a fair amount of content and game advancement imo. Because of that, I am skeptical about the idea that it’s solely lifestyle getting in the way there.

[Gentleman 1]

Your triangle isn't too different from mine, which makes me hope it's just an easy game?

how many people have triangles rn, might consider making one myself

[Gentleman 1]

there's no reason to believe g7 is particularly fond of seals versus g7 was playing towards the wincon of a certain subteam. The "joke" is the former is easier on the brain and g8 as lazy IC posting the analysis can just choose to believe g7 has a seal fetish in his analysis
part of my bloodcraving for L4 is that L4 was a living lady at the time G7 arbitrarily selected L6 to proposition and I feel like it doesn't take much skim of the thread to decide L4 would be more likely (still less likely than 50%, but more likely) to accept than L6 which suggests L4 may be scum

this seems valid, I do still need to evaluate L4 and L6 so I may well come to agree with this

pedit: yeah that

does

seem like a stretch but I think I can agree that G6 is town despite (or more like because of) it

[Gentleman 1]

thanks for both quoting those and giving me the benefit of the doubt

[Gentleman 1]

okay I’m kind of upset no one reacted to my reference

[Gentleman 1]

that’s an excellent mindset. My current approach is two-fold as well, being to react live and read ISOs to collect data. I feel like it’s really good at helping me with my stunted charisma in that my key method of developing reads isn’t really tied to interacting with others so I should be able to realize more effectively when my charisma is falling short. Haven’t really aimed to convince anyone of anything yet so I can’t say for certain what this approach does for my charisma yet

[Gentleman 1]

why do you need separate axes for town and scum

The Scum axis shows how how many "scummy" things the player has done as well, in my eyes. The towny bar is higher for everyone

I see
what’s confidence, in that case?

[Gentleman 1]

do you think you are pocketed in your PT G4

I don't think she's trying to pocket me, and I already townread her.

that’s a dangerous mindset to have, discounting pocketing because you townread the player in a neighborhood before you were both in it

[Gentleman 1]

There is a fetish on this site for equivocating on eliminations I stg

what does this mean

[Gentleman 1]

But I also think it's my duty to do what I think is right and not just try and aimlessly conform idk.

Ok, it's my duty to make sure people don't sheep you on this one.
Might have to legit vote G2/L4 which is probably unoptimal at this point. We also might want to consider a G5 scum world.

I don’t like this post, feels like steering the target

[Gentleman 1]

VOTE: Lady 4

Fine L3 I'll place the vote for you.
Whatever let's move the game forward, even if I think this is bad.

don’t do this. Despair is not what is needed from you now.

G8, my current reads of much strength at L7 and L5 as town, and L1 as scum. I don’t exactly have a lot outside these though

[Gentleman 1]

I guess it's scumsided modding to let fakehammering influence when you post a VC but I don't see strong evidence that FakeGod did so here, he posts VCs around this time all time

like I'm all for criticizing FakeGod's actual weaknesses like being too lazy to responding to feedback he got about usernames in perfect masquerade and proceeding to precipitate his own mod errors in this game because of that

but he's mostly a good mod and I think he knows about impartiality and would think critically about letting fakehammers influence his VC schedule

I think any mod would feel pressured to produce a prompt VC any time a hammer is suspected, which would explain away any “scumsided modding” arguments imo. Don’t know what you mean about precipitating mod errors

[Gentleman 1]

I doubt FakeGod would have gone as far as creating two Lady 3 PTS and two Gentleman 3 PTs if the players in the game had memorable names.

ah

[Gentleman 1]

Frankly I think Rosa has little to nothing going for her except for a few posts in regards to G7 being scum.
But honestly it isn't anything spectacular.

Bring me her head!!

Excuse me, I quite like that thing and would prefer to keep it.

This is kind of disheartening to hear, because if literally nothing I have done except for interacting with flipped scum has registered for you, then what am I supposed to do now?

If you have me at null at this point, you shouldn't be seeking to get rid of me, you should be seeking to get a better read on me. G4 is pretty confident I'm town, so unless you think we're a S/S pair, you should be able to read me by reading him.

this isn’t exactly the best argument, a player being town doesn’t make their reads any more right

[Gentleman 1]

my PT has like 250+ posts in it... should i be worried? granted like 200 of those are me

Oi, i have 103!!

if we’re comparing notes, this isn’t an exact number but me and L7 are about equal at like ten

[Gentleman 1]

I think I mentioned it at least once about L1.

Since G4 and L2 are both unpopular I would think there would be some kind of discussion, like, of "what's wrong with the game" and stuff, a place to make comments that seem too far off consensus to be useful and economical in the game thread. Like when L1cry votes l6dewgong and that doesn't accomplish very much

I wouldn't know for sure I'm not in that situation.

my philosophy for using the PT is it an be useful for a few things. Hot takes is one of them but they shouldn’t be relegated to the PT exclusively. I also think it should be used to hash out thoughts you don’t want to make public just yet, like doubts that you don’t want to accidentally end up throwing the game off course. And of course, sorting your partner.

[Gentleman 1]

well that’s a bit of a bummer. I liked interacting with the current L7, now I have to wait to see if the new person will be as enjoyable to be around

G6 what are you suggesting?

[Gentleman 1]

It's antitown to leave the dance. We need VCA.

I appreciate your intent but with the wagon that’s already on you I think the sentiment is meaningless

[Gentleman 1]

Something similar to this method was game-clenching last run... we should utilize it to full effect.

I just checked since thanks to the accounts being the same as last game I had it in my egosearch, and those notes were specifically passed on via the mod. So I’m curious whether there will be some stipulation regarding this

[Gentleman 1]

hey mr gentleman 1, could you talk a bit about your thoughts on gentleman 2 and lady 4, and maybe talk a bit more about why you think lady 1 is the most likely to be scum?

I don’t really have any strong thoughts on that post yet, all my solid reads so far have been formed by ISO reading. As for why L1 is my strongest scumread, she’s almost my only scumread, my only other person I’ve really suspected being G4, however the fact that I came back to that read after wavering tells me that is the right read on her

[Gentleman 1]

they are definitely the next people I plan to do, L4 already was up next but G2 can certainly follow her, I need to do some reading of the gentlemen to balance my reads and actually decide where I want to vote

and like, “most likely scum” feels an awful lot like some loaded terminology, just because they’re my primary suspicion doesn’t mean I’m trying to sell everyone on it just yet. I mentioned I wasn’t at the stage where my charisma would be tested, that because I don’t have enough read to feel good initiating that step. So if you’re asking to get me to clarify my reads that’s fine, but don’t pressure me to push them yet
as for the reasoning, to put it simply, I ended up reading L1 as scum once, backing off, and coming back there again, all on essentially gut reaction. They’ve been acting scummy and I don’t have any real reason to set that aside. The fact it happened twice means it’s probably not any sort of knee jerk response, but my actual feelings towards it

[Gentleman 1]

Lady 8, if I leave and flip town, are you willing to leave the dance right next?

what on Earth prompted this mental turnaround

[Gentleman 1]

No concrete answer, probably. Why are you still asking this?

maybe because you’re asking a very serious question with real consequences and doing nothing to ante up? Show some spine if you’re going to play like this

[Gentleman 1]

WHAT

[Gentleman 1]

Game is stagnant FYI. Resistance for wagon movements and perpetually confbiasing reads are huge red flags for a proscum gamestate. If anyone's willing to challenge this gamestate, I already offered the options.

why aren't you making the effort to change the situation?
I might not even need to ISO G2 to form a solid read on them, they're clearly acting out of self-interest here.

[Gentleman 1]

I think this might have gotten lost in translation

3165 is reacting to 3163

[Gentleman 1]

I think what Gent 2 is hoping for is for somebody to come in and say that his reaction is really towny and for the wagon to fall apart

This is the worst post I have read in regards to this wagon.

this concerns me, I feel like G5 makes a very valid point, G2's MO seems entirely based on having others do his work for him

[Gentleman 1]

I think this might have gotten lost in translation

3165 is reacting to 3163

I mean he's right, I forgot to make a scum PT template.

I should fix that.

WHO ASKS THAT THOUGH

WHO THE FUCK ASKS THAT

[Gentleman 1]

also, he claims he's still scum reading L1, but after his scum read he

Yeah actually that doesn’t read as any sort of recognizable agenda with that correction, still not a fan of the damage control but it’s probably not enough to substantiate a vote rn

backs off of it and gives himself an excuse not to vote. He's literally just floating around and he seems content to. "probably not enough to substantiate a vote rn" is a really weird thing for town to say especially at this stage in the game.

this is grossly misinterpreting the specifics of my read
I went back to scumreading L1 after ISOing L2 and seeing some of the posts L2 quoted by L1, and feeling scum vibes from how awful L1's takes were. The fact I continued feeling that way about L1's early content meant the initial backing off was probably a mistake

I understand I haven't been the clearest on these things but this is still dead wrong

[Gentleman 1]

WHO ASKS THAT THOUGH

WHO THE FUCK ASKS THAT

sssshhhhhh, we aren't allowed to talk about who's who in this game yet, gentleman 1. save that for post-game

the answer was scum. Scum makes that post. Sure town make that if they're either blithely clueless or massively pedantic, but it's a very scum post to make imo
like it's a scumslip in a way that is very easy to wave off, which deflates real arguments for the person being scum
not to go on an irl tract but it's also why false flag operators are a horrible thing to not handle, because if you let the false issues go unanswered for, real issues tend to drown in the noise

[Gentleman 1]

how awful L1's takes were.

could you expand on this?

I feel like L1 was wildly accusing people and playing a hard AtE facade to cover her ass
I went back into her ISO to make sure this was the initial logic and there's a good post by G4 summing up my wind accusation point

why is Lady 1 just calling random people wolfs...

and her reaction to this is

why is Lady 1 just calling random people wolfs...

Why is Gentleman 4 commenting on something like this instead of finding the wolves! See what I did there?

no actual rebuttal, just playing the victim.

also with my recent callout towards G9 I'd like to mention there's some interesting associatives in L1's ISO for those two as well

and like the more I read her ISO the more I see in specific that I don't like, so if when I hit the point where I'm ready to give a full case, people want a case, I'll give it

[Gentleman 1]

But hey, I'll entertain it... in what way is this ever a scumslip?

Lay the hypothetical on me, walk me through scum guy the 9th logic or accidental logic when making that post.

Going forward if someone tries to scumcase him there's that not-scumslip that people can point to and deconstruct arguments with
it's short term weird for long term gain

[Gentleman 1]

What was the scumslip?

why the hell would town ask about that?
there's obviously the counterpoint of "why would scum ask?", and that's where the actual read on that post starts to form, because there's not really a rebuttal to that, as I said clueless or pedantic town could also ask, so now it becomes a bit of a "townpoint" for G9 because there's better logic for town to post it versus scum

it's a massive WIFOM bomb but it's logical (in as much as this counts as logic) to me

PEdit: okay yeah G6 is right, it's not a scumslip in reality, but a scum utility post. I just started calling it that because it was the first word that hit my brain

[Gentleman 1]

<- Mfw using evidence from page 4

you're really bitching at me for using evidence from before I replaced in? Everything is content, a lot of people have trouble telling that but that's the truth

nice to see you sticking your neck out for your scumbuddy btw

[Gentleman 1]

just to clarify are we analyzing the scum incentive for asking how to format posts in the scum pt

yes

[Gentleman 1]

G6 are you intentionally changing styling up so ctrl - fing your iso would be harder

Which is what I got instead of any sort of acknowledgement of the towncase I'd just made (see above) for him. If you're scum and somebody is advocating for you hard, do you really poke them on minor technicality bullshit?

feel like I should acknowledge this
I can see the validity of this, the pedantic nature of it does line up with what I called out before, honestly maybe I

was

overthinking the hell out of that post but I'm not going to throw it out yet, this isn't enough to convince me it's in complete line with this just yet
actually I was going through why G9's post G6 was referencing was towny and realized I was ass backwards on my own principle, G9 initially came off as expressing issue with the readability of G6's ISO, which felt towny, but then I realize it also could mean they were just trying to see what G6 was saying about them in particular, which is a very self-conscious way to be. I think it about evens out until I get an indication this was one of the thing sI mentioned, but with that I'm back to where I started

my own brain hurts after posting this, but that probably means I'm truly working out my brain here, which is good imo

[Gentleman 1]

To better answer your question I need to know who you think the scum in G2/L4 is

Gent 2

G2 just has a lot of unpopular takes and is trying to crash against the waves that I think just comes from town more likely than scum given he's been like this all game. I don't have him as an end game pair but if you asked me what pair had scum in it well...look at my vote

no
just no
this is glossing over the key thing that I dislike about G2, which is his unwillingness to actually make the first move the change the gamestate
I feel like that's way more important than anything mentioned here

[Gentleman 1]

that probably means I'm truly working out my brain here, which is good imo

do you understand that g9's "scumslip" was a joke

even if it was a joke, it has that thread that can be pulled, by me or anyone else, that leads down the path I mentioned
it may be a joke but it's still content

[Gentleman 1]

4. I don't think post 650 happens as partners with Guy the 7th. Not when you could easily go back and "I like the recent posts from guy the 7th, and now accept"

I think I'm inclined to agree as long as there's at least one scum in the first 3 pairs (which rn I think there's one tops). This doesn't mean 0 scum there makes L6 scum, I want to establish this now just so it doesn't get taken this way after my death. I just feel like the specific thing G6 is saying in the quoted part is reliant on that being the case.

[Gentleman 1]

I disagree with the notion he is trying to survive. I don't think he has even has the chance to get into the game and killing him after 3 IRL days for not being able to get into a game of this volume just seems ridiculous to me really

I am not even arguing he is town, I think we have insufficient information to make that call. And the posts of a struggling individual are always going to turn up "yucky".

I assume this is about me, I may not be going as fast as I would like at times, but I still think I'm playing well, especially compared to times I have struggled. In some ways I'd say I'm performing above personal expectation.

[Gentleman 1]

btw guys we have 4 days to lynch 2 pairs can we hurry up?

we have four slots which will not be voting which does not help things

lady 8 wouldn't commit to an ice cream flavor

lady 2 is on vacation?

gentleman 3 is MIA

and gentleman 1 won't commit to a vote even though he's found a very incriminating scum slip

I'll vote once I'm ready
also what scumslip did I notice at this point? It wasn't anything L1 posted I think? I find it sketchy but it's not a scumslip, any of it

[Gentleman 1]

I was referring to what you initially called g9's scum slip but later revised to "scum utility post"

okay, got a little confused in part because I thought I was quoting something a few pages before the G9 post
again, I'll vote when I'm ready, which will very likely be tonight, but I'm not going to operate outside my comfort zone

[Gentleman 1]

I am not even arguing he is town, I think we have insufficient information to make that call. And the posts of a struggling individual are always going to turn up "yucky"

.

While I think this is true to an extent, I think there are scum!struggle posts and town!struggle posts.

this is true, I tend to struggle differently as each alignment, but the issue is I'm not struggling

[Gentleman 1]

Can both of you talk about Rosalina 2 because that's my strongest SR rn

Lady 4 has this constant style of asking other people to bring up things she's adversarial to
specifically so she can gnaw at them
over and over again
planning from the getgo to oppose them, never giving any appearance of genuine curiosity of the other players' point of view
i don't think I've seen a cycle like this run so consistently before
but it seems to make more sense for someone who has everybody's rolecards than someone who doesn't
it's certainly considerably less town indicative than being able to just run out with a hot take, the way L6dewgong recently did on nagito and the way l3sherlock entered the game
I don't get why my townread on this slot is so lonesome
i mean I guess it isn't people are voting there
but like L7blue says people don't mean it, I think it is actually a bad slot
the most favorable interpretation is a quirk of her particular adapation to a large
but directly contradicts the exact style of play she said was ideal in like her 3rd post so maybe it's just a sequal to 7bandana

I think I can see this. I think it's a good scum play to ask questions with the predetermined intent of dismantling them, it appears to be solving but also contributes to an agenda

anyway since I'm probably going to have to at least take a break soon, I'll try to do ISOs on L4 and G2 now, and depending on my conclusion I'll vote them or some other pair

[Gentleman 1]

I would be very satisfied with a G2/Rosalina 2 pairing that dies first

I would be very satisfied with you engaging me about your read on me, but it seems like neither of us are going to get what we want.

I don't really feel like I have anything to add beyond what I've said. This game isn't that long.

And L4, why G2? He's barely done anything.

Exactly. Other gentlemen have been better.

Including G7?

No I put him in same basket as G2

Why do my posts look scum motivated? Can you give an example of posts I made that were surface level?

I will do some quoting

No, but I do get scumread a lot for my playstyle by people who don't know me very well.

I'm kinda surprised to hear my reads being called surface level, though. That's not something I get often given that I usually try to look one level deeper than most people (beyond "who does this appear to benefit" to "who does the player THINK this would appear to benefit").

I'm not calling your reads surface level I'm calling your general play
I don't see you really trying to dig into anything

this is VERY interesting with how the last pairing worked out

I'll see how thing shake out but I'm definitely leaning voting this pair rn

[Gentleman 1]

I'd rather not be stuck with G2 or G7 fyi
I'd like to actually play this game and I feel semi-confident those two will be taken out rapidly

I am 99% certain I won't finish before I go to bed tonight so I'll use this to anchor myself and as a point of reference for why I'm doing this:
VOTE: G2 - L4

[Gentleman 1]

got some time to talk before I turn in for the night. Probably won’t be able to finish the ISO so I’ll just leave it for now

does no one want to engage my vote? I got a lot of grief about putting one out so it just getting glossed over irks me

[Gentleman 1]

I'm rather surprised that pair flipped town-town, L4 seemed way too interested in living during this phase after what seemed like being very against having G2 live during pre-dance

[Gentleman 1]

You know Kyogre is the strongest pokemon btw right

iirc it's mega rayquaza at least when I last checked
I remember seeing something about Eternatus being more powerful

[Gentleman 1]

that looks a bit like a town "ah" but i can't be certain

I'm curious what makes that lean a specific alignment
it was just noting that was what was meant by "mod error"

[Gentleman 1]

how awful L1's takes were.

could you expand on this?

I feel like L1 was wildly accusing people and playing a hard AtE facade to cover her ass
I went back into her ISO to make sure this was the initial logic and there's a good post by G4 summing up my wind accusation point

why is Lady 1 just calling random people wolfs...

and her reaction to this is

why is Lady 1 just calling random people wolfs...

Why is Gentleman 4 commenting on something like this instead of finding the wolves! See what I did there?

no actual rebuttal, just playing the victim.

also with my recent callout towards G9 I'd like to mention there's some interesting associatives in L1's ISO for those two as well

and like the more I read her ISO the more I see in specific that I don't like, so if when I hit the point where I'm ready to give a full case, people want a case, I'll give it

does anyone want the case on L1

I notice people seem to be hoping she's town but I really don't think that's the case rn

[Gentleman 1]

Like, at this point we're gonna speed lynch the 2nd pair whoever that is and we kinda need time to process the first flip.

What about we wagon G4-L2 and have Lady 4 or I leave the dance if we're still untrustworthy?

But I like your pair

WORKS FOR ME

this feels sketchy in retrospect

[Gentleman 1]

i don't have any certainty about gentleman 4 or lady 2's alignment, but i currently think there's more likely to be scum in the gentleman 2 / lady 4 couple

i'm warming up to gentleman 4, i guess

i don't really know what lady 2 really thinks about anything but i don't know if that means she's scum

has L2 expressed any solid opinions since this point

[Gentleman 1]

eh I've yet to really hear a convincing reason for why L1 is scummy

would you like to

[Gentleman 1]

I think G4 is the type of player that notices and appreciates the small things in life

I fail to see what you're getting at

[Gentleman 1]

I hope people are paying attention to the prince sneezing truth bullets

I appreciate this imagery

[Gentleman 1]

I just, in addition, have other reasons to suspect gent 4 as well

And I feel he's playing to survive over playing to solve

Does town really pull that "spur of the moment" thing?

I also don't really think he went back to look at what I was doing at all

could you go into a tl;dr recap of your points against G4
I feel like I'm not really getting the full picture because half of the discourse around this point is comparing G4 to G2 and I'm kinda not reading that because I want to skip stuff regarding the eliminated pair before their eliminated, to get to now faster

also I'm upset at G6 for attempting to disrupt the imagery I liked

[Gentleman 1]

ok then
VOTE: L1

talk about why you chose this pair specifically

[Gentleman 1]

G4 is at L minus 3.

Fwiw, I am mostly voting L2 here.

unless someone provides a good case the only reason I'll vote that pair is very likely to be G4
I just don't think I can read L2 and scumread her while L1 is alive as well, L1's interactions around L2 seem like SvT play, so unless I have a flip to tell me I'm wrong I don't think I can get to this point wrt L2 on my own

[Gentleman 1]

VOTE: G5

what's your L8 read

you've already indicated the disparity between your strong scumread on me and your strong townread on L7, what's the balance for the G5-L8 pair?

[Gentleman 1]

He had 2 scumslip posts

in one he suggested that we leave immediately after intermission and portrayed it as an act of teamwork, which seemed like a blatant and absurd perspective slip

then later he said that if no scum have been flipped by intermission I should also know that I need to leave him, which seems like error in holding his hypotheticals in his head against my alignment right

I'm not closed off to any of the but I just don't think I understand this well enough to know if I agree with what you're saying

[Gentleman 1]

there are some pretty real tactical advantages to skipping the second exile before intermission, especially since L5 is acting a bit wolfy for once. We can make this a pokemon chatroom for four days

before this gets lost its not a bad idea

didn't a past game actually go through with an abstain in first dance

[Gentleman 1]

wasn't G6 in the first anon dance Dannflor

I remember a very similar player to L6 here in that slot, if Dannflor was the person in that slot then L6 is practically conftown because I highly doubt he manages to so skillfully replicate such a method of play here as scum

[Gentleman 1]

I don't exactly understand/agree with this whole, kill misty for telling us the optimal strategy is because it happens to be suboptimal in a subset of games where deepwolfs are winning

I was thinking this too because he said it was ideal with G3/L7 scum. But then G9 said he isn't scumreading you so

I think that's looking to closely at the exact words used
it was said that scum!L3 would want that alongside I guess the partner of either L7 (me) or G3 (L6)
or I'm misunderstanding, but that's the sense I got

[Gentleman 1]

I'm considering an L1/G5 world instead of G1/G5 world

Why did you have a G1 world? G1's lack of PT usage minorly pings.

what do you think L6 meant by "G1 world", and how does me not using PT much ping you?

[Gentleman 1]

okay so I noticed L1 mentioned something about being first out last game, is that genuine or based on which slot they're in because if it's genuine I might lower my enmity towards them a bit

don't think I've ever seen that player this emotional but some of the takes could be recontextualized by this

[Gentleman 1]

thanks for that

the L1 scumcase is in progress, though I'm not sure how well I'll be able to get my points across, so if something confuses anyone else feel more than welcome to tell me and I'll do my best to explain it

[Gentleman 1]

When Lady 2 flips a dirty wolf I want my snapcredit bros

I'm scum reading G6 if that's more exciting for you

You can be wolfy too

start off with two unsubstantiated scumreads

When Lady 2 flips a dirty wolf I want my snapcredit bros

Is this a legitimate scumread?

Both of my scumreads are serious yes. Don't push me though I'll probably cry

when pressed about them plays emotional, if they got emotional on response to actual pressure it would less scummy but wielding an emotional breakdown as a weapon like this is not really a town thing to do

why is Lady 1 just calling random people wolfs...

Why is Gentleman 4 commenting on something like this instead of finding the wolves! See what I did there?

deflects pressure by making it seem unfounded and acting like G4 is the "crazy" person

Lady 3 lock town not changing

unfortunately paired with someone im not town reading

True but I'm not touching them in first dance for sure.

this is when I started thinking about G9/L1 being the scumteam, it's a very compelling idea to just go "person a is suspect but I townread person b they're paired with so I won't consider it early"
honestly that mindset might have been afflicting a lot of people early but it seems weaponized here

tbh the G9/L1 pairing probably has a combined playstyle of "weaponize generally-towny things to further our win condition" which while admirable for the idea, I feel like comes off as super-obvious at least how I've seen it happen
so I'm not sure if I should be considering that a point against them

Apparently it was a joke but if everyone sheeped and called 1 person town I figured wolves was either TMIing or they were really town since it's unlikely wolves to just be auto towncred

I think if a wolf got townread early because of a strong entrance, the other wolves would also probably join in on the consensus of townreading their wolf buddy.

Disagree because all wolves are scared little cry babies who don't want to look bad on their partner flipping.

Come at me you wolves

huh, what did I call out L1 for initially? Damage control. Nice job pointing out the exact thing you look like you are doing

I'd like if Bones or glasses paired with lady 2 so I could shimmy them out and then leave the other

reeks of artificial confidence
sure town can also pretend they're more sure of themselves than they are but L1 seems very focused on suggesting a small pool of players are scum early
seems more like scum making a narrative (I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for terminology-wise but if I attempt to get it perfect I'll be here all day) than cocksure town

I have now clearly done things that I should be townread for so I will now accept all townreads on my slot

putting on airs of being a paranoid townie distrusting townreads of them
probably exemplified in this post that came before it

You and Lady 4 are out of the others' leagues in that list

Quiet wolf the townie people are trying to play the game here.

I thought you hadn't done anything worth town reading yet

oh *** I'm caught

why is she saying stuff like "the townie people" in reference to yourself, if you're also considering your own play not townread-worthy? I think L6 had a real point here.
plus she barely did much in that timespan so why does she say this now? I'm guessing she wanted to act up for a little bit and then needed to make it not look too off when she didn't keep it up

Lady 4/5/6 are mostly fine even if calling Lady 6 fine scares me. Would make 7/2 do the shimmy out of here. People townread 8 a lot so I guess they can be town! Uh, don't really know what to think about 3 for obv reason.
Gent 1/2 can do the skimmy out of here Gent 5/4/9 are fine no real read on the others

I don't think L1 has really progressed on any reads at all at this point past initial formation
I'm open to L1 explaining the why of this but until then I'm feeling like it's rather contrived

'I don't agree with you so it doesn't make sense'

lol alright.

I mean you didn't agree with my counter argument you didn't go against it.

Either I believe my argument holds up and am setting myself for the future but I am also saying G1 as scum would want to pair up with me.
Or I don't think my argument holds up in which case I am not setting up lynches either.

Unless you think I am pushing lynches without really caring if people like my reasoning or not? Which feels like a bad way to push something through even as scum.

It's you who didn't talk about my argument all you really did was say how you're not setting yourself up for lategame and at that point I can see/let go. But that wasn't the crux of my argument that you haven't proven false. I also openly said one of the main things I need to see depends on later in the game so you saying 'it doesn't make sense' isn't even close to the case.

Having options and setting up lynches is 2 entirely different things as well.

I think pushing someone because you're not seeing something that you only really expect to see later in the game comes off as rather irresponsible. That would something rather hard to counterpoint and L1 is seeming to be rather immovable on the point so it ends up looking like a point designed to be without counter.

Lady 6 don't break my friend Gent 7s heart. You should dance with him

I unironically support this btw

I think this is why L1 was playing damage control, looking at this in detail now

Yes townread me more you fools. I cannot wait to win this game as a wolf.

how many posts has L1 made saying something to this effect at this point? It's coming off as rather disingenuous.

You're right. It's between G2/G7

Oh god they both suck so much.

I would not be surprised if both were town tbh.

To some degree maybe?
Which one in particular do you think we should leave out. I'd have to analyze both to figure it out.

Depends on if Gent 7 is going to stick with his gimmick or not because on a town Gent 2 flip I would probably suspect Gent 4 a lot more. But if Gent 7 is gonna just do this all game we can leave him alone even though I'm pretty confident on him being town

yeah I really can't see the logic for L1 turning her initial bottom tier read on G7 into a post like this off of anything G7 did

I feel as though you've got something backwards here. You're not interested in my thoughts because if I'm scum they're prefabricated; very well, but if I'm scum then all of my thoughts are fabricated regardless. If I am town, they are quite real. So as I was trying to get at earlier, what is the specific reason to believe the scum case over the town case?

Moreover, I feel as though you ignored my second point there. Even if one granted I was scum and that my reads were set before I replaced in, the things that I wrote about them were not set before I replaced in, and it is the things written about reads that are relevant to one's alignment far more than the reads themselves. With that in mind, would you not agree that even if one granted that my reads were prefabricated, that the posts I made would still be just as alignment-indicative?

Hi, Lady 1 here what's up? You don't mind if I just step in for a second do ya? I think you're the one missing a key factor here, maybe both of you. Let's assume you had thoughts before replacing in. Now, I don't agree that this is a good line to go down but since we're going down it already let's entertain the thought. The key point is, if you had thoughts before replacing in regardless of what role pm you got they're going to come from a townie outlook because you don't make reads specing as scum you make them as town.

So in theory, no you couldn't really gather much off those posts. I think this is a really bad angle to go down, and I probably wouldn't have said anything if you weren't trying to put focus on the statement itself.

in the interest of fairness I have to give props to this post, I agree that thoughts formed before replacing into the game would seem townier, mostly because anyone not in the game has no information about who scum or town actually is. It's why I find it hard to scumside as an uninformed spectator, it's hard to root for someone you don't know the identity of

I don't think we should put too much stock into reading G7 btw.

given the route this has taken me on, I think this is sketchy

Wtf Gent 7 was a vampire who did that gimmic all game? I'm like, disappointed and surprised at the same time

This refers to the insistence on pairing with L6 right

How is that a not-scum gimmick? Like, wut *visible confusion*

I apologize for thinking G7 would put in effort into the game and not be useless as scum.

Clearly I should be executed for such assumptions

That’s probably a smaller portion of the “damage control” portion of your ISO

Also can someone answer my question about whether callbacks to the last anonymous dance are common?

I have nothing to damage control. Did I think Gent 7 was town? Yeah and I knew when I saw the flip I was gonna get pushed but that doesn't mean my points are false.

No one was gonna go to end game with Gent 7 he wasn't trying. So in my mind scum are more likely going to bus him then defend him. If you think that's false than prove me wrong. But you just saying I look bad because I defended the not trying scum isn't really a point.

now that I have better context, let's reframe this. You executed an inexplicable read reversal on G7, and when G7 flipped you probably realized that wasn't the best move and tried to cover your tracks. G2 and G7 were on essentially equal footing for probably most of the players so I think you expected your townread of G7 to maybe catch L4's attention to the point they'd either buy it or you could hash up some explanation to convince them

For have them on your second-from-the-bottom read tier you seemed a little too unwilling to let him go. I don’t think it’s the unwillingness itself that’s bad, but that combined with his placement.

Who do you think I'm gonna vouch for to stay? The guy at the bottom of my list or the one above it who I thought was getting townier? And if you read the rest of my iso you'll see I was pushing for G4 to leave cause I found both G2/G7 townie

okay so what was the post with everyone's shorthand names then
if it wasn't a readlist I have no idea what it could have been

Hey Lady 7 your partner is town don't mess this up got it?

honestly where the hell did this come from? For all of pre-dance L1 had this unwavering hate boner for my slot and L7 and then this post comes along

the reasons I saw later also don't particularly impress me, it's a bit of puffing herself up while putting me down

Like, at this point we're gonna speed lynch the 2nd pair whoever that is and we kinda need time to process the first flip.

What about we wagon G4-L2 and have Lady 4 or I leave the dance if we're still untrustworthy?

But I like your pair

WORKS FOR ME

the striked portion bothers me, it feels superficial, and I get the sense the 2-4 pairs are both T-T and L1 was hoping for a clean first dance

for the record I would flip g3/L6 over G2/L4 but I know that won't happen. I just want bragging rights post game

"bragging rights post game" is just "towncred" in another dialect

The null line is right between the G and the 2

if you thought G2 was townie late pre-dance why's he back down to null
this is mostly rhetorical and picking at the fact L1 has done a very poor job expressing any real read progression

eh I've yet to really hear a convincing reason for why L1 is scummy

Because I am a god tier wolf who is fooling everyone.

this again

so essentially, it comes down to L6 is playing a farce, acting up in certain ways that seem like scum tactics, plus she has either questionable or nonexistent logic for like 95% of her reads

[Gentleman 1]

VOTE: Lady 1

I really see no reason I shouldn't do this now

[Gentleman 1]

My reads have developed, but they haven't changed strongly enough for me to change my end game pairings that's true. Well no, I didn't have your pairing in end game until recently. But besides that yeah.

See I have acknowledged your reads changing, but it doesn't ever track, I can't tel where exactly you're getting your read changes from. The point about static reads was for early pre-dance specifically.

[Gentleman 1]

Here, I'll give both you and L7 one chance.

Ask me a single question and I'll put all my effort into answering to the best of my ability.

Will you do the same for me? If so, my question is: what do you think is the most important thing when it comes to reading other players for you?

[Gentleman 1]

My question for Lady 1

Who is your biggest scumread aside from G4 or L2 and why?

Is this the part you're not understanding? I never said scum have to be in the 2-4 pairs if they all flipped town I would shrug my shoulders and go oh well and look more closely at the remaining pairs because that would be the part where I need to look for the next scum. I really wish you didn't ask this question because I don't want to pull focus away from 2-4 who should still be the lynch today regardless. I even told my partner I was gonna make the scum case next dance

posts like this are ones that reinforce my belief that you're trying to chain town eliminations with the 2-4 pairs

[Gentleman 1]

If you really want me to answer that question in the next 3 days I will but I rather you changed it because I'm gonna make the answer to that real quick during dance 2.

I'd rather you answer now

otherwise you have 0 past opinions we can hold you to
I'm not letting scum get away easy with cheap reads

[Gentleman 1]

ugh you're so exhausting. I'm gonna go get an ice cream
pedit: I DID.

not really

[Gentleman 1]

and i guess uh... im still trying to make sense of his reaction to gentleman 9 talking about the scum PT because while i could see a tone-deaf town player getting worked up about it, that'd usually be followed up with a vote? but it wasnt, so...? did he not actually think he'd found scum?

again at that point I didn't feel like voting because I hadn't formed enough solid opinions to do so imo

[Gentleman 1]

What was the case? You seem to have gotten rid of the pairing with the second highest likelihood of being town.

pardon

[Gentleman 1]

not really able to do much rn, but what’s the remaining time?

[Gentleman 1]

VOTE: G4-L2
probably gets flipped first in Second Dance so it’s better to get rid of them now and save the time

[Gentleman 1]

I said in my replace-in post I wasn’t reading the full thread. Might get close via ISOs but I didn’t care to go through the entire thing with a fine tooth comb
so I’m not happy with how I’m being portrayed rn

[Gentleman 1]

Why? I think scum are more likely to lolpropose and accept, given they just don't want to die.

Also... I've made up my mind.

Lady 7, may I have this dance?

a lot of people thought this seemed town?

i didn't really think that...

but i also dont have super strong feelings about it, i just didn't read it as town

tbh I don’t think I would see that as AI in most if not all situations
the only real indicator would be personality, which isn’t really useful in this game

[Gentleman 1]

G8 if you want to talk I should be able to respond for probably the next hour

[Gentleman 1]

alright so during intermission I read a little bit more, including some ISOs, and I'll share the results of the ISOs I looked at
G3: actually has some scum equity
L8: cute af, kinda towny, but not by much

[Gentleman 1]

As fun as it is saying I told you so over and over. I would like to know what 2 pairs you want in end game. On a related note I want to know how people feel about G9

I think I'm good with my pair and your pair
I suspect all the other gentlemen to some degree
to expand on the fact I SR G5, his posting at the end of first dance was just not good at all, in fact:
VOTE: G5
I think it was bad enough for me to vote it. Dude was acting real shady trying to save L2's pair

and yeah if it wasn't clear I TR L1 now

[Gentleman 1]

On a related note I want to know how people feel about G9

g9 single handedly dragged a l2 execution before eod first stance after l1 disappeared. i think we should feel pretty good about him

uh no? I don't see how you did that at all rn

[Gentleman 1]

I have an order at this time but I'm saving it for after everyone else responds because there's something that factors into it that I don't want to get into just yet

may I ask yours though, G6? Or have you already posted it?

[Gentleman 1]

P.S. reminder to update your living wills in case of further altslips.

Last Living Slot Owner Wills and Testaments

I am proposing that everyone take time, once every 24 hours or so, to post a last will and testiment of your thoughts to your dance partner PT.

You never know when an alt slip will occur, and data that you may not have laid down in the thread then vanishes from the game. And that's terrible.

I propose something like the following example:

example

This is the last will and testament of the second owner of Guy the 6th. I replaced in on post 674. This post is accurate as of post XYZ. My reads are {list here}. I have a theory that the scumteam is {X,Y,Z} and while I have not expressed it in the thread, I also think that {spicy hot take here} .

I will be taking some time to make one up in my own PT tonight.

I actually haven't really had one going because I didn't have anything I wanted to specifically convey. I'll definitely do it now/soon though

[Gentleman 1]

i also like the g5/l8 duo but don't really care about anyone else
ama

who do you suspect then?

[Gentleman 1]

Haha i hadn't realized who G7 is until now

Lady 7 definitely town. I don't think we can use G7's treatment of G3 as a way to clear him. I don't really agree with the case on G9

what are you getting G7's identity from

[Gentleman 1]

I want to hear from the new Lady the 6th before voting.

Uh...

My PT was pretty silent last night. I think G3 might've flaked. I'm not really opposed to leaving, tbh.

I wouldn't mind, I don't really think he's town

[Gentleman 1]

Oh, she's the one I disagreed with about G9.
Yeah, sure, ok.

What if I proposed an endgame of G5/L8 & G6/L1? Outside sprinkling of myself & G9, though if L7's scumread on G9 is a common feeling, I'm also fine with us leaving if it comes to it.

I don't like G5 at all for endgame

[Gentleman 1]

Why are people suspicious about me?

your arguing for an abstain eod first dance was scummy
been pretty clear about that

[Gentleman 1]

Why are people suspicious about me?

your arguing for an abstain eod first dance was scummy
been pretty clear about that

Out of curiosity, had Guy the 4th - Lady the 2nd been T-T, would you feel the same way?

not as strongly but yeah
I definitely meant what I said about it being better to flip them in first dance
it would have let everyone think about their reads during intermission

[Gentleman 1]

it would have let everyone think about their reads during intermission

So what are the rest of your reads?

scumreads on G3 and G9
L3 eh, kinda thought they were town coming into this phase but I'm not sure how to handle this play rn
L8 light TR
L6 pretty strong TR
L7, L1, G6 strong TRs

[Gentleman 1]

How in sync would G1 & L7 call themselves?

fairly in sync, iirc she doesn't agree with me on G3 but the other scumreads we're synced on