A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Lady 4]

11 pages in two hours WTF

[Lady 4]

Imma change this avatar at some point but not right now

[Lady 4]

Suggestion/Request:

I don’t know if anyone else has tried to read through Perfect Masquerade, but I had a hard time following it because of the naming convention. Someone suggested having nicknames but it didn’t stick.

I used to ride the bus, and the busses would have colors and numbers. Ex. The 13 Silver. I remember “Silver” first, but after a while I was able to remember the numbers too.

Here is my suggestion: Have something in your avatar that makes you easily identifiable. For example, Lady 13 with Cat as avatar, we can call her Cat Lady 13. It’s easy to remember who she is, and if you need to look for her posts, it’s easy to see which one is her. Bonus points if it’s one syllable.

Just my $0.02. Feel free to call me Scarf Man 6.

PLEASE THIS

Im liking Sans 1 and Blue Hair 7 so far two pages in.

[Lady 4]

This is a lot harder to read than a normal game because of the names. Feel like I have to process things more.

[Lady 4]

I'm back sorry traveling
Kinda feeling like garbage probably won't fully engage here until Sunday

[Lady 4]

Ok I swear I'm actually catching up this time
Prefacing this by saying I'm still feeling like garbo and I'm really really struggling with the names so I'm gonna be sheeping/abusing quotes a lot here until I feel better and have computer access.

What's wrong with my bro Scarf man?

too explicitly focused on setup spec and ways to play around the setup

actively avoiding giving any real input on the game when I prodded them

has read the least genuine of all the setup spec I've read, makes me think mafia that wants to be involved in the early discussion without uh, actually being involved

there are a couple other slots sorta like this but Scarfy boi pinged me heaviest

I agree with this from what I've been able to parse and would call that my early SR

man being left on read hurts as much under the mask as irl l

I’m sorry I had to go find an appropriate emoji!!!!

(´• ‸ •`✿)

ask lady 3 to dance

(๑•́ω•̀๑)

accept gentleman 9’s dance

(is this the right formatting????)

This was very dumb G9 has not given me any town pings especially

I'm aware I'm wicked behind ok bye I'll read more

[Lady 4]

Shall we, dear Prince?

Getting specific names to stick in my mind is hard. I agreed with bits and pieces that Cat Lady 5 and Seal Lady 6 said. Specifically Cat Lady 5's idea to pair the IC with third towniest and Seal Lady 6 suggesting Scarf Man may be hiding behind setup spec, of which his was the weakest

I think Gent 9 and Lady 3 just fell in love with each others beautiful faces there but I want to say Lady 3 is town

Gent 9 I do not immediately scumread as some have. Maybe he just really wanted that particular dance! My judgment on him will likely wait

Townie post

I sorta agree with L3 here. There seems to be a lot of sheeping this game where one person calls someone town and then lots of people quickly follow. This has happened with L7 and then L3.

I'm gonna chip in on this and say I don't particularly TR lady 3 from that quick acceptance. If anything it seems more like a scum move.

[Lady 4]

We should definitely not attempt to put scum with the IC.

This post really bothered me for some reason so I went and ISOed 2 and I think I figured out why. 2 has a lot of fluffy posts and semi sort of game advancing looking posts but they all feel really surface level and scum motivated.
Also I think the Rosalina/Peach shtick is a facade

This is the first read I feel decent about
On pg 11

[Lady 4]

I'm not even gonna try to sort everyone until the player count is down for my own sanity. I think how I'm gonna play this is try to find strong reads and zero in on them.

[Lady 4]

Maybe I should take this a little bit more seriously. Also I don't think I've done anything that isn't hard to fake as a wolf so like, don't get the townreading on me either

This is bad LAMIST

[Lady 4]

Also... I've made up my mind.

Lady 7, may I have this dance?

Dumb dumb dumb

It is blatantly LAMIST. Doesn't make it scummy.

Who as town types out that post though. It feels like such a grab for cred. Well I see past it with my eyes of wonder. You can't fool me

Ironic

I don't get the townreads on bone man or replaceout megee

Shade casting
Especially on replace out dude townreads there should be obvious

Hmmm could it be as easy as ladies 1 and 2 scum I wonder

[Lady 4]

I'll come out and say it: I'm not townreading Gent 1, I think his content so far is lacking when looked at in iso, and many of his posts are banter/joking around. I don't see any indication that Gent 1 has a reason like trying to read Lady 7 for the proposal, my guess was that he townreads lady 7 (or more nefarious reasons, if he's not town).
I pretty much don't agree with what Gent 3 is saying right now, and think he's attributing things to Gent 1 that aren't there. I think it's interesting that Gent 1's proposal was the first thing he talked about. His response in 355 is curious; I asked him about Gent 1 and he started talking about lady 7 being towny.

I disagree with this post but I do think it reads especially town as it offers a concrete read with reasoning in a game that is lacking that so far

Ghost 8 is a good TR

[Lady 4]

This post really bothered me for some reason so I went and ISOed 2 and I think I figured out why. 2 has a lot of fluffy posts and semi sort of game advancing looking posts but they all feel really surface level and scum motivated.
Also I think the Rosalina/Peach shtick is a facade

This is specific and coherent.

Oh wait, it's neither of those things.

I mean I could make a quote wall but that's boring

[Lady 4]

Can you explain in a sentence what seems scum motivated about my posts?

It seems like active-posting to get TRs from people not paying attention.

I can also safely say I like the Caveman/Ghost pairing. Cave guys posts continue to give the good feels.

[Lady 4]

IM CAUGHT UP
the party can now begin

[Lady 4]

Maybe I should take this a little bit more seriously. Also I don't think I've done anything that isn't hard to fake as a wolf so like, don't get the townreading on me either

This is bad LAMIST

I think it's fair, because Blue 7 was putting Lady 1 next to Ghost 8 and Blue 7 when talking to me and asking why I chose Ghost 8

Was that post specifically addressed to you?

[Lady 4]

I am usually not able to explain my reads extremely in depth so don't get your hopes too high. I go off tone and associatives a lot.

[Lady 4]

IM CAUGHT UP
the party can now begin

Well that was quick.

I will confess to light skimming
I got some of the names straight in my head and that made it easier

[Lady 4]

Maybe I should take this a little bit more seriously. Also I don't think I've done anything that isn't hard to fake as a wolf so like, don't get the townreading on me either

This is bad LAMIST

I think it's fair, because Blue 7 was putting Lady 1 next to Ghost 8 and Blue 7 when talking to me and asking why I chose Ghost 8

Was that post specifically addressed to you?

I'm talking about 419, and yes it was, and that's what I believe prompted the post in 423

I gotcha
I can buy that as actually town motivated when it wasn't just a general post flung out to the thread

[Lady 4]

Also don't ask me if you want someone to gab with in a PT I'm useless in them lol

[Lady 4]

Why am I salad

[Lady 4]

Why am I salad

You're eating salad - fine salad, might I add.

Oh I'm blind and didn't see that
I think I have to keep this avi now I'm associated with it

I need more people to show up now I feel like I've gotten a handle on the active people

[Lady 4]

a better idea is for me to get a town read on someone that others aren't heavily town reading and pair with them

This isn't a bad idea. It probably is a bad idea to pair you with a scummy slot, so I'm fine with this.

G5 can you describe why these posts read tonally scummy to you? I'm not getting that part of your progression because I don't think I changed the way I was posting and my opinions stayed mostly the same.

I wasn't getting the scummy vibes either.

also I lowkey selfishly want gent 4 because I think he's a very challenging sort and that sounds fun

To be honest, I wouldn't think of myself as a challenging sort. Although many people would probably disagree. Still leaning towards pairing with you though!

You can take gent 4 if you want. But remember my warning

What warning?

G4 can you talk about your reads? I'm having trouble getting a grasp on you.

I actually am leaning scum on L3. I think randomly accepting the dance and then vanishing doesn't make sense.

I think I was too hasty on L1.

[Lady 4]

The sentiment still reads as pretty genuine to me?

Like even if you think you would do it as town, it's pretty ballsy to insta-accept as scum when you could potentially face heat for it as well as potentially end up with a scummy-looking partner.

That's just WIFOM because obviously it ended up getting her towncred instead

I actually am leaning scum on L3. I think randomly accepting the dance and then vanishing doesn't make sense.

She posted for the next 4 hours after accepting. What do you mean by vanishing?

I lost her posts in the cloud then.

@Lady 4 At this point, I am reading G1(Sans), G9, L2(Rosalina), L6(Seal), and L7(blue) as town. Everyone else I am still evaluating.

@Lady 4 At this point, I am reading G1(Sans), G9, L2(Rosalina), L6(Seal), and L7(blue) as town. Everyone else I am still evaluating.

What are your thoughts on Me and Ghosty

I can see Rosalina 2 as town

Can both of you talk about Rosalina 2 because that's my strongest SR rn


Ok I love Lilith but she is smarter than that acceptance I agree with L5 that it looks bad.

[Lady 4]

Feel bad for FG tho cuz that kind of metaing is probably what he wants to avoid in this setup

[Lady 4]

@Lady 4 At this point, I am reading G1(Sans), G9, L2(Rosalina), L6(Seal), and L7(blue) as town. Everyone else I am still evaluating.

@Lady 4 At this point, I am reading G1(Sans), G9, L2(Rosalina), L6(Seal), and L7(blue) as town. Everyone else I am still evaluating.

What are your thoughts on Me and Ghosty

I can see Rosalina 2 as town

Can both of you talk about Rosalina 2 because that's my strongest SR rn

Well I thought that them talking about Gent 9 and Lady 3 earlier and then more recently seemed like a town thought process. Looking over their iso that is all they've talked about, really, and now there's doubts as to whether Lady 3 is really town.

Hm ok
Thanks for reevaluating on my request

It sort of feels like L7, L8, G1, G4, G5, L6 are freezing out the rest of the game and just talking among each other

idk if that means that there is a cluster of scum in there, but it does make the game highly demotivating and uninteresting from the perspective of someone who is outside that, and also I'm somewhat doubtful that scum is entirely outside that grouping even though I don't have strong reads on anyone inside it

I am not really getting this vibe?

[Lady 4]

I am not really getting this vibe?

okay, what do you think then?

I don't feel "frozen out" and I don't see the people you named trying to do so

[Lady 4]

Tbh I'm not gonna be too invested in "optimal matchmaking" here

[Lady 4]

Planet 5 seems genuine in her frustrations here

[Lady 4]

Why 6?

[Lady 4]

Wut about 5?

[Lady 4]

I would also like to engage Lady 4 on her scumread of me because it seems like she's scumreading me for mostly personality reasons.

What gave you that impression? I disliked how you shrugged off my initial accusation.

Planet 5 seems genuine in her frustrations here

yes... unsure those frustrations are AI however

Eh this is a good point
Scum would have similar feelings

[Lady 4]

I would be very satisfied with a G2/Rosalina 2 pairing that dies first

[Lady 4]

I would be very satisfied with a G2/Rosalina 2 pairing that dies first

I would be very satisfied with you engaging me about your read on me, but it seems like neither of us are going to get what we want.

I don't really feel like I have anything to add beyond what I've said. This game isn't that long.

And L4, why G2? He's barely done anything.

Exactly. Other gentlemen have been better.

[Lady 4]

Including G7?

No I put him in same basket as G2

Why do my posts look scum motivated? Can you give an example of posts I made that were surface level?

I will do some quoting

No, but I do get scumread a lot for my playstyle by people who don't know me very well.

I'm kinda surprised to hear my reads being called surface level, though. That's not something I get often given that I usually try to look one level deeper than most people (beyond "who does this appear to benefit" to "who does the player THINK this would appear to benefit").

I'm not calling your reads surface level I'm calling your general play
I don't see you really trying to dig into anything

[Lady 4]

Lady 3 lock town not changing

G9 looks better than L3 in this imo, but they both look good

Like this is fence sitty and useless

This post really bothered me for some reason so I went and ISOed 2 and I think I figured out why. 2 has a lot of fluffy posts and semi sort of game advancing looking posts but they all feel really surface level and scum motivated.
Also I think the Rosalina/Peach shtick is a facade

This is specific and coherent.

Oh wait, it's neither of those things.

And I hated this shoot-down of my attack

lady Rosalina,

what are your thoughts on the participants of this fine dance

I like L1, G9, G4, and L3, roughly in that order.

Oh, and G1.

And this was p much useless (yes I know it was a response to a question)

Just ISO her. There's not much there.

[Lady 4]

Greetings.

I'd been following along loosely with this game up to a point, although more as an exercise in figuring out the people behind the accounts rather than trying to analyze alignments.

I'll get caught up now.

I'm excite

And L4, why G2? He's barely done anything.

Exactly. Other gentlemen have been better.

Quantity is not synonym to alignment. Quality is what matters.

Actually Gent 2's ISO is actively bad I take back what I said about him being in the same pool at G7
(This post is irrelevant to that read it just was what made me ISO him)

[Lady 4]

L4, it sounds like you're giving an argument for why I haven't participated that much in the game, which is (a) not what you initially asserted, (b) something that several other people such as G2 and G7 are also doing and you don't seem to be scumreading them for it, and (c) pretty early to be saying something like that given the game's only been open for 24 hours.

Not to mention that you could have asked me to explain those reads-- and you still can. Are you even interested in my reasoning at all?

That's not what I'm arguing
I'm arguing you're posting a lot but it's mostly just active posting to keep up appearances and fluffy
The length the game has been open is irrelevant

[Lady 4]

G3 pls talk more about Lady 8 she's like universally townread
A dissenting opinion is interesting

[Lady 4]

I think it's productive to discuss which of the gentlemen we want to leave behind at this point. I liked Sherlock 3s entrance and I've been town reading teenisg4. Gorilla boy g7 is my least town gentleman read at the moment.

I like this kind of progression based thinking

I'm arguing you're posting a lot but it's mostly just active posting to keep up appearances and fluffy

This is confirmation bias. Why is it not just me posting my thoughts as town?

I don't understand this

Lady 2 2s recent posting hasn't helped my scumread on them.

Can we have a healthy conversation about this read? I can't really find much explanation of it in your ISO.

I don't really see how much solving you've done in the game. Your tone doesn't help but that's more a personality thing than it is a reason to think you're a wolf. You just seem very defensive and only get fired up whenever it's about you in question.

I'll go ahead and +1 this
Overtly defensive is accurate

[Lady 4]

I'll agree with the consensus that G2 or G7 should be left out. I Lena more towards G2 but honestly I don't think there's a huge difference.
I need to ISO some of the people I haven't been zoning on (like G6 and L5) but I feel that can wait until dance 1

[Lady 4]

I lean more*

[Lady 4]

I can't really grasp G3's argument for Ghost 8 scum. It moreso seems like he just disagrees with reasons for her being townread (he's admitted as much)

[Lady 4]

I don't understand this

You're saying I'm just posting to keep up appearances. While it's possible that I might be scum doing that, what makes you think that I'm not just town who has been posting the reads and thoughts I do have?

Tone and vibes
I can't explain it more than that

[Lady 4]

Let me be clear: what I've posted so far has mainly been disagreeing with townreads. Not entirely, but mainly. That does not mean that my scumread is based only on disagreeing with townreads, merely that I have not said that much in support of myself yet.

But why?

[Lady 4]

I'd rather not be stuck with G2 or G7 fyi
I'd like to actually play this game and I feel semi-confident those two will be taken out rapidly

[Lady 4]

The G6 ISO is not great
The first occupant of the slot confuses things though

[Lady 4]

You're assuming I'm gonna let you live until later in the game

[Lady 4]

it's impossible to tell anyone's alignment from the pre-dance. Everyone with strong opinions at the moment are either arrogant or lying. I don't plan on focusing on trying to make any sort of claim that I know anything until we can start voting. I thought that was obvious. Or apparently there are some oracles among us.

You're just gonna make people want to kill you more with this kind of posting

[Lady 4]

Ok you'll explain more later then when we slow down ya?
@G3

[Lady 4]

Why are all the men so un-opinionated

[Lady 4]

Why are all the men so un-opinionated

Society pressure.

Being a single man is being an oppressed minority.

/s

(In the past i'd have left that out but 2020 says hi)

don't even talk to me

[Lady 4]

Gent 2's posting last page sucked

[Lady 4]

it's hard to keep up with this game

[Lady 4]

Scum wants to pair up as soon as possible. Gent 5 or Gent 9 comes into mind.

Yeah but why are the ladies excluded from this
Lady 3 was given a pass form everyone for accepting so early and I think it was scummy

Funnily enough, I just realized that I don't like any of the pairs we have so far.

Who does?

[Lady 4]

Someone should ask them to dance then because I don't think anyone is.
It would be a shame if a town read got paired up with garbage.

I think G6 is fine with L1.
It's L4 who has to choose between G2/G7.

FML

[Lady 4]

Mafia Goon was Gentleman 1 and is being force-replaced.

Damn I liked him

From what I know of the suicide mechanic in this game, it tends to hurt town far more than it helps it.

Have previously won this game by doing explicitly this.

Disagree cuz of below

Why does the suicide mechanic tend to hurt more than it helps?

The conventional answer is that mostly T-T pairs get egged on to suicide/paranoia.

I've played in a couple dances and the suicides are usually T-T
We should rely on executions

I think I don’t like L4 or G7 and I’d quite like them to pair

NO

[Lady 4]

Who is G8 asking
I like him

[Lady 4]

Ok I know G3 said he was waiting until later to develop scumreads more in-depth but his continued insistence on finding people to die based on having the least to townread them on really really bothers me. It's so fence sitty and IMO pointless.

[Lady 4]

God I can't wait to find out all the identities in post game
I'm so bad at guessing alts

[Lady 4]

G9/L3 I think is a good candidate to go first in the dance
I feel they are overlooked because they paired so early but that was really garbage

[Lady 4]

Ok I know G3 said he was waiting until later to develop scumreads more in-depth but his continued insistence on finding people to die based on having the least to townread them on really really bothers me. It's so fence sitty and IMO pointless.

Could you clarify on how you think it's "fence sitty"? It's not as though I'm refusing to take a stance; quite the opposite, really. I

am

taking a decisive stance. It's just that my stance is based on "negative" reasons rather than "positive" reasons, so to speak.

It seems like an excuse to fall back on if your "scumreads" flip town
Like "oh they just didn't show their towniness they should have done better"
Fence sitty maybe not the right term but I don't know what would be better

Do you not have access to a private thread with him?

They are given after the pre dance phase ends and not right after the pairings are confirmed.

G9/L3 I think is a good candidate to go first in the dance
I feel they are overlooked because they paired so early but that was really garbage

Is the early pairing the basis of your unease on the slots? I feel like gentleman 9 has been pretty townie thus far.

Yes
L3 really bothered me mainly

[Lady 4]

This is where I wish I had meta

[Lady 4]

Ok I know G3 said he was waiting until later to develop scumreads more in-depth but his continued insistence on finding people to die based on having the least to townread them on really really bothers me. It's so fence sitty and IMO pointless.

Could you clarify on how you think it's "fence sitty"? It's not as though I'm refusing to take a stance; quite the opposite, really. I

am

taking a decisive stance. It's just that my stance is based on "negative" reasons rather than "positive" reasons, so to speak.

It seems like an excuse to fall back on if your "scumreads" flip town
Like "oh they just didn't show their towniness they should have done better"
Fence sitty maybe not the right term but I don't know what would be better

I try to avoid blaming other people when I'm wrong on someone, especially the person that I was wrong on. It's not conducive to self-improvement.

Regardless, I'm still not sure I really understand. I don't get what the material difference between that sort of excuse and someone saying "I guess I was wrong" or "Wow they played so scummily" if one of their more positive scumreads were to flip town.

Why is it that you think that my "style" (for lack of a better term) of reads is more likely to come from scum? I feel I should also say that it's not as though I've chosen to form reads this way; if I had picked up on more positive reasons to scumread an unpaired Gentleman, then I would. I haven't, and so here I am.

I suppose you're right that it's similar to just saying they played scummily or whatever
But it just gives me noncommittal vibes
I'll admit I don't think I've seen someone approach a game like this in a while

Scum wants to pair up as soon as possible. Gent 5 or Gent 9 comes into mind.

Yeah but why are the ladies excluded from this

They don't have to worry about being unpaired

Oooh fair point
I overlooked that
But a quick pairing does ensure not getting stuck with a person generally seen as scummy (like the people who are gonna be left by day end probably)

[Lady 4]

Perhaps my number counterpart is scum.

Maybe you should ask her to dance

[Lady 4]

I'll be here later I'm really busy today

[Lady 4]

I'll be here later I'm really busy today

Gentleman 7 has proposed to you.

Ok I haven't caught up yet but I'm somewhat inclined to reject him
I know the other options aren't too much better
Urgh

[Lady 4]

I hate my life

[Lady 4]

I'd rather leave out G2.chad, since G7.monkey has the ability to toggle if he truly thinks this is some kind of shit posting phase.
G2 is going to continue to play exactly the way he has been so far which is sub par play that will make him leave the dance.

As far as alignments are concerned I don't particularly like either I guess, if someone talks to me about it I'd be willing to dive them more in depth.

Im leaning this way also

[Lady 4]

I still need to read the last ~10 pages
But I suspect they won't change my opinion on much of anything

[Lady 4]

This sucks no matter what because whoever survives between the two will probably die pretty early and that means I go with them
I was enjoying this game q.q

[Lady 4]

I mean a lot of people are viewing them both as town, so I don't really think this is warranted.

Who are these people?

[Lady 4]

I think they both could be town, but I feel stronger about G2.

Which slot do you think would be easier for you to sort, Lady 4?

Errrrppfj
G7 I think

You can take G2 over me. The important thing is to identify the winning town-town pair. My survival isn't necessary.

This reeks town but also scum knows that saying this reeks town

[Lady 4]

I don't trust L4 to keep us alive long enough for me to have an impact on the outcome even if she's town.

L4, how do you feel about this?

I understand tbh
I had similar thoughts as him in a recent game (keeping this vague) where I was town so I can buy it

[Lady 4]

Although it doesn't make any sense for him to just want to die now if he thinks pairing with me will reduce his ability to impact the game...

[Lady 4]

G7's current thoughts don't feel consistent with his earlier play.
If the game was as simple as a single town town pair he wouldn't deem predance worthless as that would be the only phase that actually matters.

I want him dead.

I have noticed this too and I think it's what is off-putting me despite my feelings about my previous experiences

[Lady 4]

Like it feels discontinuous with what he said earlier about getting involved in dance 1
And I don't really buy his "lady 4 can't keep me alive" excuse

[Lady 4]

G7's current thoughts don't feel consistent with his earlier play.
If the game was as simple as a single town town pair he wouldn't deem predance worthless as that would be the only phase that actually matters.

I want him dead.

I’m not really sure what’s inconsistent? Maybe he really does believe that he can’t form reads from pre dance and is looking to form them in the first dance.
I don’t like the attitude either, but it doesn’t seem like the angle scum would be taking. What scum would want to do now is to secure the pair with Lady 4, and what he’s doing now doesn’t seem to be taking him any closer. And he knows that(I think).

Yeah and what's a good way to secure the pair? AtE and defeatism

[Lady 4]

Yeah and what's a good way to secure the pair? AtE and defeatism

Well it clearly isn't working...
Would be nice to hear something from Gentleman 2.

Really still not seeing L3 towniness
I can't get past the fact that Lilith is way better than to accept that dance so fast

[Lady 4]

Oops ghost quote

[Lady 4]

I am pretty much ready to accept G2 so we can move on and start voting

[Lady 4]

Yeah and what's a good way to secure the pair? AtE and defeatism

Well it clearly isn't working...
Would be nice to hear something from Gentleman 2.

Really still not seeing L3 towniness
I can't get past the fact that Lilith is way better than to accept that dance so fast

Lady 4, excepting the early dance proposal accept by Lilith/OG L3, what strikes you as scummy about L3? Or is that the crux of what bothers you about the slot

I disliked some post Lilith L3 posts I'll grab them tmrw when I'm not on a phone
Like the one where she said "why am I not being townread"

Yeah and what's a good way to secure the pair? AtE and defeatism

Well it clearly isn't working...
Would be nice to hear something from Gentleman 2.

Really still not seeing L3 towniness
I can't get past the fact that Lilith is way better than to accept that dance so fast

If Lilith is as good as you say?
Would she make such a grave mistake?
Rushing the dance phase.
Was certainly a mistake.
But not one scum Lilith would make.

Why does it have to be a mistake? People are still stuck up on if it was townie or not so it worked in some regard if she's scum.

How do you all feel about a triple leave?

no
bad H2

I'll accept G2's invite soon prob tmrw morning unless something changes my mind
I just think G7 tried way too hard to LAMIST

[Lady 4]

Regardless of whether or not Lilith is getting town read for it she ended up paired with someone who I am not very sure is town.
So Lilith made a play hinged on G9 being a townie individual despite the offer as a whole being a scummy action.

So even if I am wrong on that town read, I am still probably killing the slot as a whole.
That's why Lilith doesn't make that play as scum, eventually that early town cred will bleed out and she is stuck with a shitty partner.

What are you even getting at here
How does your read on G9 relate to Lilith's actions

[Lady 4]

What are you even getting at here
How does your read on G9 relate to Lilith's actions

Because L3 accepting the invitation hinged on G9 playing like town moving forward.
Which is an uncertainty L3 wouldn't need to risk that early on.

I feel like this is overthinking it

So what is your read on Gent 9, why do you have them as scum

I have held the belief the entrance comes from scum since the start of the game.
They have done nothing to make me reconsider this throughout the entire course of this game.

I don't think them in particular chiming in on my pairing being scum is town in the way L1 holds that belief.
They don't seem scared of the way I am controlling the thread or anything, they just scum read my pair and aren't doing anything about it.
It's just weird really, I couldn't tell you why he feels that way which is a huge problem to me.

Also if you SR G9 so hard we can just agree to disagree and work together to get rid of the pairing anyway

What are your reads?

At this point, I am trying to sort by pairs, and not solos. I'm working on a formalized reads list and then intend to denote which half of a pair I like better/worse... even though mechanically at this point it doesn't matter!

Since my last townreads list:

Guy 3 is town. (I suspect I both know who he is, and don't know who is is at the same time and it vexes me)
Guy 2 is town. (Is nobody going to address that he's playing so carefree he didn't even notice I'm not the player who was having issues, even though I explicitly made it a part of my opening moves)
Lady 5 is town. (Do I really need to explain this one?)

I have decided to add Lady 1 (tenative on PT sort), Lady 7 (Mostly for her early scumread of my slot's replaceout in post 336, amusingly enough), and Gentleman 1.

Most of those are from re-reading the part of the game that happened before I replaced in.

That gives me a town block that looks something like this (Assuming we see G2-L4):

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8

Gentleman 1

-

Lady 7

Gentleman 8

-

Lady 5

Gentleman 3

-

Lady 3

Gentleman 6

-

Lady 1

Gentleman 4 - Lady 2

Gentleman 2

-

Lady 4

Essentially, I don't think that "proper" scumhunting is all that productive right now. I'd rather just find three town-town pairs and mass-hemlock the rest. (And I am mostly including myself in the hemlocking, not the three)

OK. I'm scratching my head at you being unable to townread either of me or Ghosty 8, or Gent 9 and Lady 3

Why do you care about this?

[Lady 4]

This game is challenging, there are a lot of people who feel like town

Ehhh I don't have this vibe there are lots of people middling who are decent scumspects
I get your "posting on your kind" shtick but I also always question the motivation of these kinds of posts

Food for thought: How much are you willing to trust someone else's read on their own partner?

I would as much as reads on any other player
I don't really value my partner that much here and I wonder why some people do (aside from the PT)
I probably won't be talking to G2 much

1689 is true, town-indicative, and depressing and I would like to Disable it

Nothing in 1689 is town indicative and It makes me feel even more confident in the way people are reading gent 3. It's worrisome.

I don't really have an opinion on that post but I am concerned about Gent 3 in general. Ever since that early "I only take down people I townread the least" thing his posting has irked me and I haven't been able to put a finger on it. Maybe its the length?

I don't think the "he wrote his posts before entering the game" theory is a real good one

i don't think he wrote his posts before replacing in, i think he was following along closely enough that he had genuine reads prior to replacing in (and he just happened to write about them, regardless of his alignment)

he said he was following it. he claims he wasn't forming reads though, he was just trying to identify people. i don't entirely believe that, but it's why i don't care about his replace in so much as how he's going to form reads down the line

A few thoughts on this. The first: this accusation could be made about any replacement, even ones who claim that they weren't following along. Do you have any specific reason to believe that it is the case when it comes to me? If not, do you hold the same reservations about the other replacements?

Second: I think we would both agree that it's not reads

themselves

that people are read off of. How one forms reads, how one justifies them, and in general how one talks

about

their reads generally, I would say, make up the content by which someone is judged. With that in mind, if you agree that the idea that I wrote posts before replacing in is absurd, wouldn't you agree that the concern that I had reads before I replaced in is superseded by the things I've written

surrounding

those reads afterwards? And of course, that's not to mention the more real-time interactions I've had with people.


I don't know. I'm reminded in some sense of a concern that I believe Lady 3 brought up, that people who "appear competent" might secretly have great scum ranges. I've experienced that exact paranoia myself before in a previous game, and I had to overcome it before I could move forward and town would eventually win. I don't think the concern is

unfounded

, although I would say that in the current site-meta it's on the less probable side. To my knowledge, at least, there are few players currently playing known for their outstanding scum games. I won't bother to comment on what I think of my own ability as scum; if someone doesn't trust me, they wouldn't believe me anyways.

I like this guy.

Yeah I haven't forgotten about you
Posts like these keep up my SR on you

Why is it obvious I'm town?

Isn't this a classic scumtell?

[Lady 4]

I'm saying whatever comes to my mind, and I was asking Gent 6 about his reads because he was apparently feeling alienated

TIL

[Lady 4]

L2, L3, G2, G4, G6, G7, G9
As for the latter it sows discontent

[Lady 4]

Erm discontent maybe not the right word
More like a feeling of difficulty in trying to scumhunt? I'm blanking on the word here I know there is one

[Lady 4]

I accept gentleman 2's dance

Forgot to do this earlier, time to move on
G7 has inspired no confidence whatsoever

[Lady 4]

L2, L3, G2, G4, G6, G7, G9
As for the latter it sows discontent

I'm not at all convinced that we've narrowed down the scum yet

Why do you suspect both Gent 9 and Lady 3?

I've talked some about L3. Basically Lilith's fast acceptance of the dance was suspicious and I'm not a fan of some of new L3's posts.
G9 is moreso just someone I'd put in the "middling" category than a SR

[Lady 4]

VOTE: lady 2 gentleman 4

Starting here I'll dig for G7 associations later
Some people definitely were pushing me towards 2 instead

[Lady 4]

Who were the people saying G2 and G7 were probably both town? Hella sus

[Lady 4]

I also absolutely don’t think that this is clearing for you, btw

I didn't say it did?

I agree G2 isn't cleared here but I feel there are way scummier pairs to dig into rn, like G4 and L2, and L3 and G6

[Lady 4]

I mean L3.Misty lost a lot of credit for that flip.
In hindsight I really hate the post she made where she said G7.Vampire should be kept alive because he is a higher ceiling for "looking town".

Felt like a way to try and win me over to saving him all while not committing to a town read on the slot.
I think L3 is more likely town then not but I don't feel half as good about it as before I saw the flip.

Why still say she's town if you're so shaken by that post earlier?

[Lady 4]

I mean L3.Misty lost a lot of credit for that flip.
In hindsight I really hate the post she made where she said G7.Vampire should be kept alive because he is a higher ceiling for "looking town".

Felt like a way to try and win me over to saving him all while not committing to a town read on the slot.
I think L3 is more likely town then not but I don't feel half as good about it as before I saw the flip.

Why still say she's town if you're so shaken by that post earlier?

It's a singular point and I have to think it through.
I also scum read G9 still and they can't both be scum, that just isn't possible.

I think it's more likely L3 made a mistake and G9 is just a wolf then the other way around.

Like 1 post against someone and multiple points in favour of them I am still going to lean town but I also can't lock them as town anymore.

so I'll just ask again: why does it matter if you SR one or the other? let's just kill the pair and be done with it

I do like the reasoning for scum in L1/G6 in 1871. It's the kind of associative I was going to look for.
I am willing to vote any of L2/G4, L1/G6, and L3/G9.
still reading

[Lady 4]

I was never crazy about G6 too he never gave me town vibes.

I'll be honest I am starting to just think L2 is scum, I am not actually sure what they've been doing this game.
Sorry G4.Tennis if I end up doing you dirty down the line.

I called this out ages ago

If I am going down this phase, G7/L4 should be our winning pair.

what

Also this is a hot take

It's a garbage take.

Garbage takes are generally towny unless they serve a transparently scum agenda, which this doesn't.

What do you guys think of this sequence in particular?

irrelevant

I've not heard of that, but I have located scum pocketers who were unable to compellingly explain a townread on me.
It sounds like a fundamentally bad thesis since you'll be less curious about why you are being townread, since you know exactly what kind of artificial sweeteners you put into your posts to prompt the response. It only seems like a scumtell if lots of scum do it to put towncases into the thread and fuel the development of an UTR on the slot, but that's so far from how I play scum.
I know we're not outing mains, but I think you can imagine how certain players would play scum on a cold read, sometimes.

from what I remember it was a scumtell because it's a sort of LAMIST thing.

I strongly think the best way to play dance1 is to vote out pairs where both halves of the pairing seem more likely than null to flip scum. I think this is much more effective than voting pairs where one player seems very, very scummy, and the other partner is nullish or townish. Two guess are just much stronger than one and read confidence is this weird emotional thing that doesn't correlate well to the actual percentages, when it is 3:7 someone who is 34% likely to be scum due to your reads feels twice as exciting as someone who is 33% likely to be scum, and stuff. Which works fine for setting up a PoE order in Normal queue but is bad in this setup and closely interlinked with leave-your-partner-gamethrows that have happened when this setup was run in the past.

It might sound convenient for me to say since some people townread my slot, but I think it's not that convenient since no one hard scumreads my partner except l7.blue (and maybe me lol).

I SR L3 but this is a decent strat that I agree with
esp since we already offed one scum I'd rather actively try to get more rather than go for the find the town pairs strat

Lady 1's reactions to recent SRs on her over the last few pages are bothering me

[Lady 4]

L3 I have not been powertunneling you lol

[Lady 4]

Ok and did you actually look at what I said in those 30 other hits

[Lady 4]

Ok then we have different definitions of tunneling

[Lady 4]

Last few pages aren't changing my opinion on anything really

[Lady 4]

I feel like the discussion over whether I would have picked G7 as scum or not is pretty useless due to insane amounts of WIFOM
And really getting associatives off of him from the last ~24 hours is potentially really misleading.
I'm more interested in the earlier stuff before he gave up

[Lady 4]

So why is my pair being voted? I'm pretty sure you can look at me telling you guys to let G2 talk as a positive for not being scum with G7.

I missed this post, found it while ISOing G4
This sucks

[Lady 4]

Like bussing scum trying to reap the towncred from their bus

[Lady 4]

I feel like the discussion over whether I would have picked G7 as scum or not is pretty useless due to insane amounts of WIFOM
And really getting associatives off of him from the last ~24 hours is potentially really misleading.
I'm more interested in the earlier stuff before he gave up

What do you think of Gent 7 proposing to Lady 6?

Probably a decent townsign for L6 it was early when he did that

[Lady 4]

Yeah G7 gave me vibes of being really overconfident and not expecting to die so fast
So I think those earlier posts are good to go off of esp the fast proposal
Maybe he saw G9!town pull it off and thought he could grab it too

[Lady 4]

I have a pretty decent townbin and scumbin this is nice

[Lady 4]

You think Lady 2 + Gent 4 is still our best vote?

Yes

I have a pretty decent townbin and scumbin this is nice

Can you make a visual representation of this using tiers?
I can make you another shitty read pyramid if you'd like but it would mostly be unchanged and honestly after sending it to Nagito my response to my own list was. "holy shit this is bad"

Yeah in a bit

It's possible Lady 4 is scum and I don't mind getting to leave this game so I can return to my original account. I just kind of feel bad because she said she didn't want to leave so soon when she noted she would have to pair with G7 or me.

Can you not yet

I'm just gonna sit on the only pair I feel some amount of confidence in even if no one will join me
VOTE: Gent 3/Lady 6
pedit: Okay

I actually would vote on this but I feel stronger elsewhere

[Lady 4]

If a G9/L3 wagon revs up I'll be all over that too

[Lady 4]

So why is my pair being voted? I'm pretty sure you can look at me telling you guys to let G2 talk as a positive for not being scum with G7.

I missed this post, found it while ISOing G4
This sucks

Like bussing scum trying to reap the towncred from their bus

I can see how you think of it like that. I was just pointing out something I did that makes it unlikely for me to be scum with G7. Tbh, I don’t think I would ever post something like that as scum because it is just obviously scummy. If I was scum, I’d at least wait a little longer to see if more votes piled on or if our wagon died to say such a thing.
Will check up on everything else later. 2122 is a good post!

This just leads to WIFOM though

Because I’m more uneasy with one than the other in each of your pairs — I think you’re kinda of towny, but I don’t really feel that G4 is

I think G2 is sort of townie, but not L4

I’d be fine getting rid of G4/L4 currently but I’m not fine with ditching you or G2

This is a stupid approach to the game
If you SR one person in a pair then push it. If there's scum there we have to kill it eventually.

[Lady 4]

I think I might know who G4 is and they might just be really awkward town

[Lady 4]

G8-L5
G1-L7
G5-L8
G6-L1
G3-L6
G9-L3
G4-L2

Like this probably? I'm not really TRing L5 but I don't want to deal with the IC pair rn
My middle is very close together

[Lady 4]

I do think we get a lot more info from G9-L3 than G4-L2

[Lady 4]

Honestly if Seal is the scum, I am so fucked since my brain is viewing the situation as "If it's Sherlock I guess I deserve to lose and he deserves to win"

This is not a great view to hold of people
This mindset has lost games I've been in before when people won't reconsider their reads

[Lady 4]

L4, what is your read on my pair? You said you'd vote there but you're also not the most interested

It's based on your partner I have disliked his posting all game
I think you're decently cleared by G7's proposal

it is so slimy how L4 is being opportunistic and dodgy and shy about eliminating my slot and -then- is acting like that is townier than being bold about it and that makes me think she is scum going about it in a way that she actually perceives as being most beneficial for her slot and that's so many kinds of goosebumps

Lol get out of here with this how am I being opportunistic and dodgy
I have SRed your slot all game and explicitly expressed that I'd wagon you at any time

[Lady 4]

It's based on your partner I have disliked his posting all game
I think you're decently cleared by G7's proposal

Also like I said the middle of my tiers were pretty close
Like I'm not crazy about G6 either

[Lady 4]

I think you're decently cleared by G7's proposal

but you also said you'd vote my pair

Do you not like G3?

Yes I said that

[Lady 4]

Pagetop

[Lady 4]

I don't understand the case for G9!town

[Lady 4]

I don't understand the case for G9!town

which part

The "towntell"

[Lady 4]

I don't understand the case for G9!town

which part

The "towntell"

I guess it mostly hinges on whether you believe G9 would've been corrected on his misunderstanding of the setup by his teammates. Or if he would've read the setup closer as scum.

For me, I think it probably does a lot more than other people might because it helps me understand where he's coming from a lot better.

This doesn't hold water for me because it could easily just be scum who didn't read the setup and his teammates were too lazy to correct him or just missed his mistake

[Lady 4]

you know

I feel like that makes G9 just town now

I don't really see that being faked in any world

L3/G9 is my new preferred end game pairing.

100% serious

I completely agree. I'm not 100% pre-ordercommitted to them being the endgame pair, but I'm confident they're both town.

Nope

[Lady 4]

It's literally just a mistake from not reading the setup
I don't think it's AI at all

[Lady 4]

It's literally just a mistake from not reading the setup
I don't think it's AI at all

Mistakes like that can be town, I just don't see why it would be brought up in the scum PT.
Especially given how meaningless and minor the mistake is.

I feel like we are just bashing on Seal right now given she corrected her self and said she got excited lol.

eh I'm just looking to see why others TR G9 because I don't see it at all.

Chaos Gent 6 still unsure on. Soccer gent 4 same. Really wish Gent 9's "townslip" could have been an actual thing so he could've matched Lady 3 to make a great obvtown pair. I think had that been true, they would have made for possibly the very best endgame pair like Lady 6 jumped to believe

What makes L3 obvtown?

I'm just gonna sit on the only pair I feel some amount of confidence in even if no one will join me
VOTE: Gent 3/Lady 6
pedit: Okay

I actually would vote on this but I feel stronger elsewhere

If a G9/L3 wagon revs up I'll be all over that too

This seems like an inconsistent set of reads? People seem to be for one or the other, so where do you stand and why are you for both? Do you think the two pairs are independently scummy?

I'm for both I feel like I've made that pretty clear.

G8-L5
G1-L7
G5-L8
G6-L1
G3-L6
G9-L3
G4-L2

Like this probably? I'm not really TRing L5 but I don't want to deal with the IC pair rn
My middle is very close together

This readlist is kinda shady... in that the top town read is not a town read, "middle is together" and by previous she's willing to vote G3-L3 downwards. There's really no gradient to the reads .

If I had a readlist that has everyone at null is that shady?

ok what's your point? I only made that because I was asked. everyone isn't at null, just it's hard to rank pairs because some of the people I TR or SR and others I don't. and I can't really weigh it out.

[Lady 4]

i dislike G6's readslist esp his self-towncase based on replacement (which is ???)

i have too many scumreads ugh
but they're all confined to three pairs which is nice

[Lady 4]

i understand why our pair is being voted and it pisses me off cuz I like this game but whatever
G2 can't be allowed to live to endgame

[Lady 4]

we haven't talked at all in our PT btw

[Lady 4]

what the fuck

[Lady 4]

i dislike G6's readslist esp his self-towncase based on replacement (which is ???)

i have too many scumreads ugh
but they're all confined to three pairs which is nice

Self towncase comes from town probably because that’s a pretty shady reason he used.

why?

Lady 4 I think you are town and Gent 2 is mafia

<3

[Lady 4]

My current theory is that Gent 2 is scum and Lady 4 is town

Then you're wrong.

this is not gonna convince anyone

[Lady 4]

My current theory is that Gent 2 is scum and Lady 4 is town

Then you're wrong.

this is not gonna convince anyone

You're terribly underestimating scum. If you think the game is easy, you're definitely wrong.

ok but you need to do the work to show us you're town if you are

[Lady 4]

Lady 4 I think you are town and Gent 2 is mafia

It looks like you don't want to engage with Lady 4 so you push the weakest link of the pair.

i will say i am kind of getting this impression from some
I think L3 is pushing us just to get me off her back

[Lady 4]

i feel like I talked a lot about L2 and just got ignored

[Lady 4]

i feel like I talked a lot about L2 and just got ignored

I'll bite, can you give me a refresher because I don't remember you doing this recently.

I did earlier not recently you're correct
But she hasn't done anything to change my mind at all
Shes been coasting since the dance started

[Lady 4]

I'm still on G4-L2 so it's not a vanity wagon fyi

[Lady 4]

Lady 4, why do you scum read Gent 9

he's moreso a case of other people are more townie
but I do dislike some of his posts, he feels coasty

[Lady 4]

Lady 4, I've been meaning to ask you, and this was a long time ago so if you don't remember oh well, but is there a reason you weren't curious why Gent 7 found you "not as good?" Additionally, who were you hoping to pair with at this point in the game?

Spoiler:

I ask Lady 6 to the dance.

Definitely the cutest, most honorable and townie looking lady.

Why 6?

I don't trust Lady 1.

2 and 4 aren't as good.

Wut about 5?

He wasn't explaining anything at the time so I didn't want to bother
I don't recall at that exact moment

[Lady 4]

I picked Lady this round because I was curious who would end up asking me as I've played Gentleman in other dance games

[Lady 4]

I picked Lady this round because I was curious who would end up asking me as I've played Gentleman in other dance games

Hmm, I haven't even thought about if choosing one or the other changes anything about how I feel about players this game. I've always been a gent, both as a replacement and starting slot in these sorts of setups.

It's obviously not alignment indicative as lady v gent was chosen before alignments were handed out... but do you feel discussion of it is worthwhile regardless?

Not particularly, I only brought it up because I was asked who I was hoping to ask me.

has gentleman 2 danced with you much, lady 4? if so, does he take his sunglasses off while he dances or is he too cool for that?

No he is very rude

[Lady 4]

[snip]
eh I'm just looking to see why others TR G9 because I don't see it at all.
[snip]
ok what's your point? I only made that because I was asked. everyone isn't at null, just it's hard to rank pairs because some of the people I TR or SR and others I don't. and I can't really weigh it out.

but you also said that "your scum reads are all located in the same pairs, I recall?

I think L3 is pushing us just to get me off her back

I don't particularly think L3 is concerned about your push on her at all.

It's not that clear-cut. I'd say my strong SRs are in those bottom three pairs but I'm not ruling out questionable folk like G2.
The second quote is outright wrong she's brought up my "tunnel" on her more than once

[Lady 4]

I feel like I'm mind melding with L7 on a lot of things and it's making me happy

[Lady 4]

VOTE: l3-g9
I just don't feel confident on G4 scum anymore and I feel decently that we will hit scum here

[Lady 4]

I am worried though if the game is not that easy that scum is like... in G5/L8 or something

I am paranoid of this too but it looks like it won't be my problem soon
Which SUCKS but we were never going to endgame anyway with H2 on board

[Lady 4]

G2*

[Lady 4]

L5 what is even your case for our pair?

[Lady 4]

L8 do you have any actual scumreads?

[Lady 4]

L5 what is even your case for our pair?

Eh, stuff

what a confidence booster

[Lady 4]

I'm very sure of who G4 is now lol

[Lady 4]

Where would you look next if our pair flipped town-town?

Likely Gent 9. I think I'd also have to make sure Gent 5 is town (don't tell him tho it's very confidential)

Gent 4 / Lady 2 is possible as well but again, I'm not excited about them either

L8 did you go from I want to see L3-G9 as the endgame pair to G9 is the scummiest player on your readlist

I said I wanted L3/G9 to be the endgame pair?

I probably like Seal Lady 6 / Sherlock 3 the best, but a ton of the pairs are just split unevenly for me which is really frustrating. Maybe Chaos Gent 6 / Cry Lady 1 as well pending him finishing his reads

Ok you seem to not be passionate about any scumread or push...

[Lady 4]

Shouldn't endgame:

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8
Gentleman 4 - Lady 2

these suck

We shouldn't pretend I am ignoring this grandiose scum case and am just sitting on my hands calling them town.
Their just isn't a scum case in the first place.

pedit: sorry I didn't vote with you.

I've scumcased L4 a couple times, I know it's not grandiose and it's not the kind of stuff where I'm surprised it's not found to be compelling but I don't like the implication that I'm playing town lazily. I've given i thought; call it a bad argument not no argument.
The threshhold for what is bad enough I want to flip it is pretty low in a game where so many people seem towny

where have you scumcased me? this is bull

[Lady 4]

that fakehammer was awful I don't know how that was expected to work

Frankly I think Rosa has little to nothing going for her except for a few posts in regards to G7 being scum.
But honestly it isn't anything spectacular.

Bring me her head!!

Excuse me, I quite like that thing and would prefer to keep it.

This is kind of disheartening to hear, because if literally nothing I have done except for interacting with flipped scum has registered for you, then what am I supposed to do now?

If you have me at null at this point, you shouldn't be seeking to get rid of me, you should be seeking to get a better read on me. G4 is pretty confident I'm town, so unless you think we're a S/S pair, you should be able to read me by reading him.

bad defense
"I can't defend myself so base your read on me on someone else instead"

Sorry, L4. I'm very apathetic this game and I doubt town will get scum anytime soon.

VOTE: G2-L4

can you not???

I think what Gent 2 is hoping for is for somebody to come in and say that his reaction is really towny and for the wagon to fall apart

yeah it's giving me flashbacks to G7
don't get me wrong I'd be on this wagon were I not the other half

we've only been in dance a few days and the thread is still moving a lot, the game isn't "stagnant"

[Lady 4]

I don't understand why L4.salad is so widely townread

complaining that the game was too long to read was not town indicative, the way she dressed it as changing the structure of how she would solve only takes a modicum of scum competency to layer onto the frustration she'd have as both alignments with the readability of the game.
I can't remember anything else people tried to towncase her with just everyone is saying the slot is town

this must be L3's grand scumcase because I can't find anything else in her ISO that could be one

[Lady 4]

Shouldn't endgame:

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8
Gentleman 4 - Lady 2

these suck

We lose then.

why?

[Lady 4]

we've only been in dance a few days and the thread is still moving a lot, the game isn't "stagnant"

We have different definitions of a moving game then. I'd consider a day with only one pair being wagoned deader than a cemetery.

other wagons could happen but nobody will agree on anything

[Lady 4]

Shouldn't endgame:

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8
Gentleman 4 - Lady 2

these suck

Eh. That leaves:

Gent 1 / Lady 7
Gent 3 / Lady 6
Gent 6 / Lady 1
(IC Pair)

All three of those ladies are town, and I think we're hitting at least one scum in the pairs he left out.

Oh I'm a dumbass I misread. I thought he said SHOULD ENDGAME.
Yeah no there's definitely scum in the pairs G2 listed sorry!

[Lady 4]

i think it's highly sus that L3 ignored my request for her "scumcase" on me

[Lady 4]

my eyes are just glazing over so many posts here tbh

[Lady 4]

ahaha now we're talking

VOTE: Lady 4
This slot gives me the heebie jeebies and I don't trust people to deal with it right after I've left.
bananas can you please be productive and help me make it happen rather than voting my hardtown.
if l6.dewgong is scum town!you loses the game accept it I will stan so hard

it is so slimy how L4 is being opportunistic and dodgy and shy about eliminating my slot and -then- is acting like that is townier than being bold about it and that makes me think she is scum going about it in a way that she actually perceives as being most beneficial for her slot and that's so many kinds of goosebumps

there's no reason to believe g7 is particularly fond of seals versus g7 was playing towards the wincon of a certain subteam. The "joke" is the former is easier on the brain and g8 as lazy IC posting the analysis can just choose to believe g7 has a seal fetish in his analysis
part of my bloodcraving for L4 is that L4 was a living lady at the time G7 arbitrarily selected L6 to proposition and I feel like it doesn't take much skim of the thread to decide L4 would be more likely (still less likely than 50%, but more likely) to accept than L6 which suggests L4 may be scum

These are the posts you didn't quote L4

Was hoping to listen to you whine less, but if you'll whine about me not reposting them the way you're going to whine about my reasoning I guess I just always break even.

so your grand scumcase is that I "give you the heebie jeebies", I'm opportunistic, dodgy (I'm not and you have no evidence of that when I've overtly stated that I SR you), and that G7 chose L6 to propose to over me (which I can't defend against so this is your one valid point)
great!

Can both of you talk about Rosalina 2 because that's my strongest SR rn

Lady 4 has this constant style of asking other people to bring up things she's adversarial to
specifically so she can gnaw at them
over and over again
planning from the getgo to oppose them, never giving any appearance of genuine curiosity of the other players' point of view
i don't think I've seen a cycle like this run so consistently before
but it seems to make more sense for someone who has everybody's rolecards than someone who doesn't
it's certainly considerably less town indicative than being able to just run out with a hot take, the way L6dewgong recently did on nagito and the way l3sherlock entered the game
I don't get why my townread on this slot is so lonesome
i mean I guess it isn't people are voting there
but like L7blue says people don't mean it, I think it is actually a bad slot
the most favorable interpretation is a quirk of her particular adapation to a large
but directly contradicts the exact style of play she said was ideal in like her 3rd post so maybe it's just a sequal to 7bandana

the above quote comes before ever making AI posts about "her strongest scumread" by the way. It strikes me bizarre

i just wanted to pick anything that exemplifies the way she's been approaching this game

this is just not true lol
and as for the latter L2 had been my top SR for all of the early game

[Lady 4]

I ask people to explain things and it's rarely something that will change my mind
I'm set in my thoughts usually but I'm always open to someone trying to explain something to me thus why I ask
like the G9 townslip thing. I didn't buy into that but at least I could understand why it was being brought up.
and frankly I feel like I'm ignored in this game sometime so I have to bring things up more than once

[Lady 4]

L4 might be town. I hope I find more scumread soon

the fuck lol

[Lady 4]

I think what Gent 2 is hoping for is for somebody to come in and say that his reaction is really towny and for the wagon to fall apart

This is the worst post I have read in regards to this wagon.

wait what
I pretty much agree with it what's wrong with G5's logic

[Lady 4]

by engaged I mean she's interacted less with people in a way that fosters belonging, or whatever; she posts

but like she kind of creates her own problems, she asks people she hates to fight her instead of cooperating with her townreads. I'm not sure even has townreads because the G2 readslist she criticized didn't include me as a possible last pair and she still described it as awful horribad so that means at least 4 pairs she's scumreading
it might be a progression error
L4 can you do a triangle

That's not a good way to look at my reads because me disliking a pair =/= I SR both of them. Like I SR L2 but TR G4.
And I don't usually try to "`work with my townreads"

[Lady 4]

What's the point of a triangle as opposed to a readslist?

[Lady 4]

Why are there so many posts

[Lady 4]

This game pisses me off people post so much and they are just repeating themselves over and over and not actually developing anything

[Lady 4]

I got basically nothing from last 8 pages

[Lady 4]

That's where I'm landing too G2
No other pairs are being considered from the looks of it
I wish we could do a G9-L3 wagon

[Lady 4]

got some time to talk before I turn in for the night. Probably won’t be able to finish the ISO so I’ll just leave it for now

does no one want to engage my vote? I got a lot of grief about putting one out so it just getting glossed over irks me

It's not exactly a bold vote or anything dude

[Lady 4]

New L7 seems fine I miss beeboy tho

[Lady 4]

This game pisses me off people post so much and they are just repeating themselves over and over and not actually developing anything

Pleasure to meet you L4.

Care to clue me in on your reads?

If you guys don't murder face me I'll make a full readslist tomorrow, I've been meaning to do some ISOs
On phone right now so it's not ideal

[Lady 4]

Essentially though my strong SRs have been L2, G9 and L3 for some time

[Lady 4]

I have a largish null pool and then some decent TRs like L6 and L7

[Lady 4]

L4, do you think G9/L3 are scum together? Or are they independent reads

Independent
Scum-scum pairing is pretty unlikely but I think we have good shot of hitting one scum there

@L4, What do you think of your partner?

Idk honestly. His suicidal behavior seems kinda scummy but it also seems more genuine than G7's did. I don't think he should be allowed to live to endgame (there's just too much suspicion around him) so that's why I'm not fighting our deaths that hard.

[Lady 4]

Oh yeah L8 is another decent TR of mine
Her total lostness feels pretty genuine and not like a scum tactic

[Lady 4]

I feel like I've been talking about stuff at length though? Not wallposting like Gent 6, but still.

I appreciate this!
This game is so full of verbose people and people who need to stop posting for a few hours

[Lady 4]

G2 and I have started talking in the PT now fyi

well, i think lady 2 is more likely to be town than not

anyone think she's scum? if so, why?

I do
she has been coasting all game (including before her V/LA) and when I confronted her about it she overreacted in a very defensive manner that read like scum
I haven't seen any real scumhunting from her since dance 1 began

[Lady 4]

i'm on G4-L2 that seems like the best competing wagon no?