A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Lady 2]

10/10 sig.

[Lady 2]

We only need to correctly identify 1 T-T pairing to win, right?

Two, because one will die at intermission.

[Lady 2]

And that's assuming scum don't pair with each other, which is insanely risky but has been done before.

[Lady 2]

Wow looks like I'm like the third person to point that out lol.

[Lady 2]

Maybe I am wrong, but this doesn't strike me as the kind of setup where someone would try and fake a town slip.

I mean if you can convincingly fake a townslip as scum you always should. Probably more player dependent than anything.

[Lady 2]

I think it would be hasty to call anyone strongly already, but I would agree that Lady 7 is townpings

I think that if she’s scum then she’s mechanically hurting herself for a lot of towncred compensation, which is possible but it probably wouldn’t be my first step and I don’t think it would for that many other players if they rolled VWW either

[Lady 2]

I think it was the site, not your internet. I was having connection issues for a minute there too.

[Lady 2]

I'm getting a really strong townread on Gentleman 8 for some reason, not sure why.

I had to ISO him before I remembered lol. Well memed.

[Lady 2]

When Lady 2 flips a dirty wolf I want my snapcredit bros

Nice to meet you too.

[Lady 2]

is there anything that says mafia cant be all 3 ladies/gents?

No.

[Lady 2]

The part that makes Lady 7 townie to me isn't the fact that she faked a townslip it's that everyone was buying into it.

Explain this

[Lady 2]

Lady 3 lock town not changing

G9 looks better than L3 in this imo, but they both look good

[Lady 2]

Apparently it was a joke but if everyone sheeped and called 1 person town I figured wolves was either TMIing or they were really town since it's unlikely wolves to just be auto towncred

I still don't get it. You're saying that if someone is getting called town by a lot of people, they must be town, because it can't be the case that scum would get called by a lot of people?

That sounds circular.

[Lady 2]

Where is your Lady Peach read coming from?

EXCUSE YOU.

[Lady 2]

I kinda like Scarf man admitting he had no reads yet honestly. It'd be easy to BS one or two town pings as scum.

Agree in general, disagree in this context because it seemed like he wished he did have reads so he could share them.

[Lady 2]

63 is TMI

Wait hold it, you got a scumread on me from 63 while not realizing that three other people had posted the same thing?

Were you looking at my ISO for this?

[Lady 2]

Still doesn't take away from my scumread

What the hell does this mean

[Lady 2]

So did you have a read on me before ISOing me, or was the ISO done in an attempt to form the read?

[Lady 2]

We should definitely not attempt to put scum with the IC.

[Lady 2]

L6 chose her avatar to evoke a particular scummer. That's probably playing into people's perceptions of her; I know it is for mine.

[Lady 2]

Do you think the private thread is going to make it easier to solve people? I would have first thought it makes it easier to get pocketed, since you already had that initial trust to create the link

No I think I'd just spend the rest of the game being paranoid of them. Just an early prediction!

You get out of the PT what you put into it. If you don't want to get pocketed, then don't let the PT affect your read on your partner. Similarly expressing paranoia in the PT is kinda pointless unless you're specifically looking for a reaction from them.

[Lady 2]

I know what L6 is referencing, but is that even L6’s choice or just a hangover from perfect masquerade?

It is L6's choice.

[Lady 2]

It is blatantly LAMIST. Doesn't make it scummy.

[Lady 2]

Call me whatever you want as long as it's not Peach >:(

[Lady 2]

Bruh

[Lady 2]

It's still possible for him to propose to someone else.

[Lady 2]

anyhow, i dont particularly like that sans.g1 is throwing indirect shade at me despite the pairing has already made.

What's indirect about it?

[Lady 2]

lady Rosalina,

what are your thoughts on the participants of this fine dance

I like L1, G9, G4, and L3, roughly in that order.

[Lady 2]

Oh, and G1.

[Lady 2]

Just because G6 broke a site rule doesn't mean it's okay for the rest of you to follow suit.

[Lady 2]

Discussing replace-outs.

[Lady 2]

This post really bothered me for some reason so I went and ISOed 2 and I think I figured out why. 2 has a lot of fluffy posts and semi sort of game advancing looking posts but they all feel really surface level and scum motivated.
Also I think the Rosalina/Peach shtick is a facade

This is specific and coherent.

Oh wait, it's neither of those things.

[Lady 2]

Can you explain in a sentence what seems scum motivated about my posts?

[Lady 2]

The sentiment still reads as pretty genuine to me?

Like even if you think you would do it as town, it's pretty ballsy to insta-accept as scum when you could potentially face heat for it as well as potentially end up with a scummy-looking partner.

[Lady 2]

523 is towny.

[Lady 2]

[Lady 2]

I mean I would have a strong preference towards having a town partner unless I had an insane confidence in my raw reads (which I don't) in which case I guess I might try to bait my top SR into partnering with me so I could leave and kill them

Looking at the game overall, there should always be a preference for town to seek out and partner with other town when possible unless you consider yourself highly >average at sorting in hoods. If you do, it makes sense to be unconcerned, but idk if I think L3 fits that mould.

The benefits of being with town are twofold, as I see it. First, if everyone who is town partners with town, scum are forced to partner with each other thereby increasing the odds of a double whammy elimination if that pairing is picked. Secondly, solving in the hoods will be better by definition if paired with town

I feel like the incentive should be to partner with someone who is read similarly to you. As in, if you're town but scummy enough to not make it to endgame, you would want to pair up with scum in order to redirect people's scumreads on you somewhere useful. Whereas, if you are townread, you would want to pair up with someone who is both town and towny enough to not drag your pair down.

[Lady 2]

I would also like to engage Lady 4 on her scumread of me because it seems like she's scumreading me for mostly personality reasons.

[Lady 2]

right, only I don't see why town thinks "yes, I should just accept the first proposal that comes my way"

It probably comes from a mindset of not thinking who pairs with whom is very important. Which while wrong is understandable.

But impulsiveness in general is a towntell and scum-her would likely have been concerned about how opportunistic it looked so if anything it's points in her favor.

[Lady 2]

Oh, I dislike gentleman 7’s entrance too

It's, uh, it's definitely an entrance.

[Lady 2]

I think someone you are comfortable is town is stronger than someone who is "town read comparatively to you". This game has this issue where anytime someone feels threatened or they have a strong scum read on someone for a brief moment we lose a T/T pair. The counter to the fact that town flip flop so much is you can't majority vote someone on a whim in a regular game, I could theoretically bomb G1.Sans whenever I feel like regardless of what people tell me to do.

I mean, the best way to deal with this is to be really careful and deliberate about deciding to leave the dance and not do it on a whim.

You are right though that being able to get a good read on your dance partner is important, because if you can confidently say your partner is town, then all everyone else has to do is read YOU correctly, rather than both of you. So maybe it's less that your partner has to be read similarly to you, and more that your partner has to have an alignment that matches how you are read. Or vice versa.

[Lady 2]

I don't trust Lady 1.

2 and 4 aren't as good.

Explain this.

[Lady 2]

I have no faith in it at all

But that won't stop me from laying out what I think is best and explaining why.

[Lady 2]

yes... unsure those frustrations are AI however

Seems at least a little town leaning to me.

[Lady 2]

Lady Earth 5

How about "Gaia"

[Lady 2]

I would be very satisfied with a G2/Rosalina 2 pairing that dies first

I would be very satisfied with you engaging me about your read on me, but it seems like neither of us are going to get what we want.

[Lady 2]

L2.Rosa, on the tip of my tongue I want them to be town I really do. But whenever I end up reading their posts I end up with this weird null feeling and I am not sure what exactly I am supposed to do about it. Which means I also don't want them killed yet :^)

For the record, this is perfectly reasonable because I'm a pretty hard player to get a bead on early on.

[Lady 2]

And L4, why G2? He's barely done anything.

[Lady 2]

Including G7?

[Lady 2]

Why do my posts look scum motivated? Can you give an example of posts I made that were surface level?

[Lady 2]

No, but I do get scumread a lot for my playstyle by people who don't know me very well.

I'm kinda surprised to hear my reads being called surface level, though. That's not something I get often given that I usually try to look one level deeper than most people (beyond "who does this appear to benefit" to "who does the player THINK this would appear to benefit").

[Lady 2]

I don't think you're wrong. I'm slow to warm up to the game.

Also I went back through my ISO and I didn't really even give reasons for a lot of the reads I gave. So how can L4 say my reads are surface level if she doesn't even know the reasoning for them?

[Lady 2]

I'm definitely readable longterm.

Conversations like the one I'm trying to start with L4 will be very helpful in this. It seems like L4 is trying to avoid having a conversation with me about her read which is annoying.

[Lady 2]

Do you have any inclination towards any particular gentleman so far, Lady Rosalina?

G9 is my strongest gentleman townread, but since I assume you mean unpaired, G4 is the only one who's caught my eye at all. His approach seems very down-to-earth, in particular stuff like the first half of 224, which is pretty insightful.

I'll be deliberating over any offers I get regardless since I do want to see where people stand on me, as like I've said that should factor into the pairings to some degree.

[Lady 2]

Aren't these the same?

Not quite. If you're townread, you can take a partner whom you believe to be town, even if most people don't agree, since people believe you to be town and can therefore trust your read to be genuine.

[Lady 2]

L4, it sounds like you're giving an argument for why I haven't participated that much in the game, which is (a) not what you initially asserted, (b) something that several other people such as G2 and G7 are also doing and you don't seem to be scumreading them for it, and (c) pretty early to be saying something like that given the game's only been open for 24 hours.

Not to mention that you could have asked me to explain those reads-- and you still can. Are you even interested in my reasoning at all?

[Lady 2]

(b) something that several other people such as G2 and G7 are also doing and you don't seem to be scumreading them for it

Okay no, I got this mixed up. You are scumreading them for it, which is at least consistent, although it doesn't make much sense to me.

[Lady 2]

I'm arguing you're posting a lot but it's mostly just active posting to keep up appearances and fluffy

This is confirmation bias. Why is it not just me posting my thoughts as town?

[Lady 2]

If we put the IC with a townread player, they will probably die. If they don't, we know something may be up.

If we put the IC with a scumread player, they won't die, and then we'll probably have to kill that pairing anyway. That's akin to wasting the IC power.

[Lady 2]

Lady 2 2s recent posting hasn't helped my scumread on them.

Can we have a healthy conversation about this read? I can't really find much explanation of it in your ISO.

[Lady 2]

I don't really see how much solving you've done in the game. Your tone doesn't help but that's more a personality thing than it is a reason to think you're a wolf. You just seem very defensive and only get fired up whenever it's about you in question.

What is your definition of solving? Forming reads?

I've shared every read I have, and I'm more than happy to explain any you want to hear about. I'm not going to make up reads out of thin air, though.

[Lady 2]

A lot of Lady 7s posting feels planned. At first she said she wasn't going to post in her PT and changed her mind and then made a big deal of 'oh I have paranoia on a lot of these players! Paranoia this and that!' It feels like a way to leave her options open.

This sounds like the opposite of planned to me. Wouldn't the easiest way to keep your options open be to just not give a strong opinion on how you'll play the PT?

[Lady 2]

Why do you think L2’s sr on you stems from personality reasons?

I assume you mean either L1 or L4, but this applies to both. I'm pretty slow to form reads and I tend to make a lot of posts that don't lead anywhere specific or support a specific read. People love to call me scum for fence sitting, or not being proactive, or not having many reads, or any number of things that aren't scum-indicative.

[Lady 2]

Do you not like it when people wolf read you?

I don't like it when people scumread me for my playstyle and then refuse to keep an open mind about me.

[Lady 2]

Along with the fact if you just never gave a strong opinion on anything you won't make end game.

There is a difference between not giving a strong opinion on one thing (which most players do not have a strong opinion on) and not giving a strong opinion on ANYTHING.

Also the wincon for scum is not to have all of their members reach endgame-- it's to have ONE of them reach endgame. Keep that in mind.

[Lady 2]

Hm, this is good to know. What's your take on the following people. If you've answered already feel free to direct me to them:
G1
G9
G4

L6
L8

G1 I thought his early game was somewhat towny i.e. saying scum are more likely to lolpropose followed by lolproposing and his posting felt pretty spontaneous which is usually towny.

G9 I originally had as pretty towny due to the impulsive request and then 123 which was brazen enough that I thought most scum wouldn't post it, however looking back I'm not really sure that's accurate. It is pretty ballsy though.

G4 I already talked about

L6 seems fine but I don't really have any strong leans. I'm pretty sure the avatar does interfere with my ability to read her as well, weirdly.

L8 I feel like there were some lines that I liked but I don't remember them off the top of my head. Meh can't really find anything after ISO'ing, so she's still null.

[Lady 2]

I don't understand this

You're saying I'm just posting to keep up appearances. While it's possible that I might be scum doing that, what makes you think that I'm not just town who has been posting the reads and thoughts I do have?

[Lady 2]

What do you consider scum indicative? Because I agree, sort of, with what you’re saying here. I think those things are generally NAI unless there are meta based reasons to think they are. As this is anon, I think they’re more towards AI than normal. I do think that they skew more towards scum though (or at least that not having reads does)

There's not an awful lot that's objectively scummy in the early game. Probably the biggest thing aside from meta is having a TMI read and then tripping over yourself trying to explain it. I don't generally try to seek out scumtells in the early days because mostly what I end up finding is noise. Looking for towntells is much more reliable.

As for those behaviors, the thing is they're all so easy to avoid. It's not hard to take stances as scum. So it becomes a matter of do scum want to appear as though they don't have a lot of reads? And often they don't, because they want to advance their agenda and they want to look towny and not useless.

[Lady 2]

Tone and vibes
I can't explain it more than that

That's totally fair. Just make sure that the gutread doesn't bias you later in the game when there are more concrete things to work with.

[Lady 2]

You're assuming I'm gonna let you live until later in the game

It's not like you can make me die on your own.

[Lady 2]

it's impossible to tell anyone's alignment from the pre-dance.

What do you mean by this? It's impossible to be certain, or it's impossible to be correct with a certain degree of accuracy, or it's impossible to be better than random at all?

[Lady 2]

Is hating someone's reads even correlated with them being scum? I feel like scum are more likely to tend toward consensus reads.

[Lady 2]

That's player based not fact based

Yeah, but I think it's true on average and we can't very well use meta reads in this game.

[Lady 2]

This is the easiest phase of the game for scum to act like town.

This is true, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible to get good reads. You are right that people should be willing to reverse their early reads in light of new information.

[Lady 2]

From what I know of the suicide mechanic in this game, it tends to hurt town far more than it helps it.

^

[Lady 2]

Why does the suicide mechanic tend to hurt more than it helps?

Because it gives townies the power to affect the game significantly at a whim. When people feel they're being ignored, they will sometimes use what power they have impulsively even when it's a bad idea.

[Lady 2]

Probably gonna take G4's offer because he's currently my top pick and nobody else seems interested in me anyway. But I'll still leave it a bit for anyone who wants to weigh in.

[Lady 2]

Is L1.cry being town even a hot take?

I don't think so.

[Lady 2]

I mean given alt discussion/hunting is discouraged you should probably stop talking about it at all. Save it for postgame.

[Lady 2]

I personally hope L2 doesn't say yes to G4 and we send him down the river

You want to send G4 down the river?

[Lady 2]

But a quick pairing does ensure not getting stuck with a person generally seen as scummy (like the people who are gonna be left by day end probably)

Does it? It could be that by random chance you paired with someone who would later turn out to be scummy.

[Lady 2]

Can someone remind me who started spreading paranoia on L8ghost scum

This is kind of a weird way to put it. The possibility has always been there.

[Lady 2]

I actually think G4.tennis is considerably more likely to flip scum but it'd benefit the gamestate less to remove him from the game quickly.

What does this mean and can you explain the read?

[Lady 2]

I don't understand why L4.salad is so widely townread

I think the way L4 interacted with me wrt her scumread on me was fairly towny, because she still maintained that the read existed even though she couldn't explain it. As scum she probably could have come up with anything more concrete, or else she could have just dropped the read when she realized she couldn't justify it.

In general doubling down when something is pointed out that makes you look bad is towny.

[Lady 2]

I'm noticing a lot of the game isn't townreading my slot as much as it deserves, but I think g9.bananas is kind of scummy, so it's not the shame it would otherwise be. It's a shame this pairing occurred at all, though.

This is scummy on so many levels.

It doesn't look scummy to me? It's pretty blunt which is towny if anything.

[Lady 2]

L7.blue hair makes both super town indicative and super scum indicative posts and it's stressful

I don't even think that super scum indicative posts exist this early. Asking to die and saying you won't reach endgame don't really seem like they couldn't come from town, and 1310 is pretty tinfoily.

If someone has super town indicative posts they are probably just town.

(Though out of curiosity, I don't have a strong read on L7, so what are the town indicative posts you're thinking of?)

[Lady 2]

I like to leave people alive if they are likely to play in a manner that might change my mind, or if they will catch scum before I mistakenly kill them.

Makes sense.

If G4's posts are all null then why isn't your read on him null?

[Lady 2]

saying "oh actually i don't scumread you because I have no reasons" looks WAY worse

Eh I guess?

I suppose my usual method of "what would they think would look the best" doesn't really apply here because everything is gonna look bad if you get called out in a push and can't justify it. I guess probably the best thing would be to just make up something concrete, but it does depend on the player.

[Lady 2]

L2, who are your scum reads? If you have any

I don't, but I wouldn't shed any tears over losing any of G2/G6/G7.

[Lady 2]

I haven't accepted G4 yet, but I feel like I've waited long enough for anyone who wanted to voice an objection.

Gentleman 4, I graciously accept your offer to dance.

[Lady 2]

I mean in all likelihood the choice doesn't matter because you're gonna end up leaving eventually anyway.

[Lady 2]

Would either G2 or G7 flipping scum help your reads to a significant degree?

I guess G7 flipping scum would be more informative given his proposal to L6.

[Lady 2]

I objected!

You didn't really suggest an alternative though :X and you seemed to be okay with it with your posts just now.

Anyway one of the main reasons I was holding out was if the IC decided he wanted to pair with me and/or direct my pairing. At this point I wouldn't have wanted to pair with G2 or G7 anyway.

[Lady 2]

I'd have to go back but I am almost certain people have defended both players.

I'm not really sure that defending a scum who's as LHF as either of them is scum indicative. Scum would probably be anxious to not create associatives knowing that their partner would probably not live very long.

[Lady 2]

But I guess if we see the redflip we can analyze the specific situations in more detail.

[Lady 2]

Oh lmao that's what you meant by 2x2, I legit did not know what you were trying to say there. My bad

I don't even have a strong townread on G4, but I really like the way he approaches the game and I expect that one of us will be able to get a confident read on the other eventually.

[Lady 2]

And the opposite of scum indicative is....

"Not scum indicative"?

It's not "town indicative". Lots of things are neither.

[Lady 2]

G7's current thoughts don't feel consistent with his earlier play.
If the game was as simple as a single town town pair he wouldn't deem predance worthless as that would be the only phase that actually matters.

I want him dead.

This is exactly what I was thinking, actually. The defeatism and willingness to suicide because it's only one town pair that matters and he thinks he knows what pair it is doesn't really square with his earlier comment that everyone's reads are going to reverse when the dance starts.

[Lady 2]

I feel like I've waited long enough for anyone who wanted to voice an objection.

i... i did?

You did?

After looking through your ISO I do see one comment about G4 being your preferred strand, sorry about that, but if you wanted me to hold off you should have just said "L2, please hold off for now."

[Lady 2]

I still think it was right though because G4 seems like someone I'll be able to read pretty confidently with enough time.

[Lady 2]

He doesn't seem like an especially hard read to me. Different people are good and bad at reading different types of players.

I'm a hard read for some people but some people can just nail me.

[Lady 2]

If I am going down this phase, G7/L4 should be our winning pair.

what

[Lady 2]

Also this is a hot take

It's a garbage take.

Garbage takes are generally towny unless they serve a transparently scum agenda, which this doesn't.

[Lady 2]

I don't think the "he wrote his posts before entering the game" theory is a real good one

i don't think he wrote his posts before replacing in, i think he was following along closely enough that he had genuine reads prior to replacing in (and he just happened to write about them, regardless of his alignment)

he said he was following it. he claims he wasn't forming reads though, he was just trying to identify people. i don't entirely believe that, but it's why i don't care about his replace in so much as how he's going to form reads down the line

A few thoughts on this. The first: this accusation could be made about any replacement, even ones who claim that they weren't following along. Do you have any specific reason to believe that it is the case when it comes to me? If not, do you hold the same reservations about the other replacements?

Second: I think we would both agree that it's not reads

themselves

that people are read off of. How one forms reads, how one justifies them, and in general how one talks

about

their reads generally, I would say, make up the content by which someone is judged. With that in mind, if you agree that the idea that I wrote posts before replacing in is absurd, wouldn't you agree that the concern that I had reads before I replaced in is superseded by the things I've written

surrounding

those reads afterwards? And of course, that's not to mention the more real-time interactions I've had with people.


I don't know. I'm reminded in some sense of a concern that I believe Lady 3 brought up, that people who "appear competent" might secretly have great scum ranges. I've experienced that exact paranoia myself before in a previous game, and I had to overcome it before I could move forward and town would eventually win. I don't think the concern is

unfounded

, although I would say that in the current site-meta it's on the less probable side. To my knowledge, at least, there are few players currently playing known for their outstanding scum games. I won't bother to comment on what I think of my own ability as scum; if someone doesn't trust me, they wouldn't believe me anyways.

I like this guy.

[Lady 2]

Pokedex is excellent, but why do you say that L4 "picked town at the end"?

[Lady 2]

If you want it to be a scumslip, then I want to see you go hard before you read the room, town!you shouldn't need to.

I don't think it was a scumslip. I thought it was a read, and I was curious about it.

Even if it wasn't a read and it was a mistake, it's easy for town to fall into the trap of thinking that G2/G7 couldn't both be scum. True scumslips are extremely rare.

[Lady 2]

I hate the acronym UTR. There are two things it can mean, and they are totally different, and I can never tell which is being referred to.

[Lady 2]

Yeah that's what I assume it meant in this context. Under the radar implies intentional to me, which I don't think you are, but you do have a pretty low profile, that much is accurate.

You don't seem widely scumread to me, though.

pedit: see this is why the acronym is bad

[Lady 2]

I assume the implication is that I was trying to avoid pairing with G7

But a gent was gonna be left out and if I were scum I would have loved to be the one to seal G7's death. I did already say that I didn't really see anyone directly engaging me asking me to hold off on pairing or suggesting an alternative.

[Lady 2]

I think I just missed 1212 honestly

But even that I would not call an objection.

[Lady 2]

I think this is suspicious, because Lady 2 does not want to end up with Gent 7 (because they will both end up dead, very likely), yet still potentially wants Gent 7 to pair with somebody else, so she needs to pair up at that moment, while trying not to look too hasty by "giving people time to object".

This only makes sense if you think that G4 was going to pair up with someone else if I waited too long. I was clearly leaning toward pairing with G4 from the start, so I didn't really have to wait at all, and I was looking specifically for someone to say "L2, you should not pair with G4 for this reason."

As it was I don't see why I should have been afraid of being narrowed down to G7 or someone else, and even if I were, I wouldn't mind at all letting G7 get left out because he was almost certainly going to die early even if he wasn't.

[Lady 2]

Not an objection but you still should have thought about who you wanted to leave, but you never engaged with that point.

I didn't have a particular pick for who I wanted to leave. I had no scumreads at that point, I think that was documented. But I didn't want G4 to leave and I didn't want to pair with anyone other than G4.

[Lady 2]

I have Gent 4 as hard null, so your pair makes the most sense to get rid of at this point in time.

What do you think?

The thing about G4 is that I feel like he's been playing very similarly to me. Engaging and analyzing, prioritizing discussion over conclusions, and just generally trying to get his thoughts out there and say things that make sense. That's one of the reasons that I wanted to pair with him, beyond just townreading him. I thought we would work well together and he also doesn't seem the type to impulsively walk out on me.

I guess it's not really surprising that people are reading him as null. But it is surprising that people are reading him as null while having stronger reads on me, who is doing much of the same things.

I feel like his play has been by and large without agenda and geared toward contributing to the town's discussion rather than misleading it. I also feel like if he's scum and was planning to go longterm he would be more preoccupied with picking a lady that has survivability, because at the time he proposed to me I think public opinion was mostly not liking me.

Essentially I like what he has been saying and don't see any scum agenda so if he's scum either he's just not planning to endgame at all (in which case I would think he'd probably shut up and not give associations) or he is and he's just hoping that the reads on our pairing magically come around to being townier without him doing anything. Which is not impossible. But Occam's razor says it's unlikely.

[Lady 2]

Did you not want g4 to leave, or did you want to dance with g4?

Both, see the post I just made. I townread him and thought I would work well with him.

[Lady 2]

Goddamn why can’t G2/L2 and G4/L4 be a thing instead of what we have

Why would that have been better

[Lady 2]

unless you're suggesting "the only reason scum would ever want to partner together in a setup like this is if they know each other", not sure what point you're getting at

I think that's a reasonable assumption. You have to be real confident in their abilities.

[Lady 2]

unless someone has some new angle i haven't considered here, i'd rather move away from the whole "gentleman 7 interactions definitely make her town" to what she's done that actually looks town

Well yeah, I certainly disagree that G7 interactions make L6 town. Even if you assume that scum would never pair with each other, it very well could have been distancing since L6 never really even entertained the possibility of accepting him.

[Lady 2]

okay that would be hilarious

sounds like kind of a crackpot theory though.

[Lady 2]

I'm not very convinced I'll be alive in endgame. I think these effort-posts being confirmed town from an eventual flip of my slot is going to be very important towards the town win rate odds.

Hmmm

[Lady 2]

Okay, I buy it. G6/L1 is now my favorite pair.

[Lady 2]

I buy 2501 being town, not your crackpot theory lol

[Lady 2]

It's certainly plausible and it would explain why G2 and G7 were acting so weird. But I wouldn't say it's especially likely.

[Lady 2]

Besides if that's the team then we never lose anyway so like I don't care to invest that much brainpower into analyzing it.

[Lady 2]

I townread L1 from very early on and she hasn't done anything to merit that read changing. She's adopting a playstyle that the vast majority of people would be either unable or unwilling to fake as scum-- spontaneous, unconcerned with consistency or appearance, provocative (see the princess thing), and also at the same time interested in solving and understanding the game. I could link posts but I think I would just end up linking her entire ISO as evidence of this.

[Lady 2]

reading someone on playstyle seems like a very silly idea in an anonymous game

I'm not reading her on her playstyle, I'm reading her on her play. The specific things she did this game.

[Lady 2]

Frankly I think Rosa has little to nothing going for her except for a few posts in regards to G7 being scum.
But honestly it isn't anything spectacular.

Bring me her head!!

Excuse me, I quite like that thing and would prefer to keep it.

This is kind of disheartening to hear, because if literally nothing I have done except for interacting with flipped scum has registered for you, then what am I supposed to do now?

If you have me at null at this point, you shouldn't be seeking to get rid of me, you should be seeking to get a better read on me. G4 is pretty confident I'm town, so unless you think we're a S/S pair, you should be able to read me by reading him.

[Lady 2]

I think town!G4 would be using his PT quite a bit

Why is this

At the very beginning of the dance I told him that most things you can say in the PT you can just say in the main thread, which he agreed with

And probably the main reason he hasn't been using it much is that I haven't. I've responded to a few of his questions but for the most part if I have something to say I can say it here.

[Lady 2]

I, uh, don't think it's all that hard to tell why G4 and I are being scumread.

[Lady 2]

And actually it makes us a great pair because if we can manage to get people to look past the controlled and unemotional way that we both play then the reads on us will uniformly improve, since having similarly read people paired is important. It wouldn't have been nearly so worthwhile for us to defend each other if we hadn't been paired together.

[Lady 2]

Paranoia
Here we go again
My my, how can I resist you?

Paranoia
Does it show again?
My my, just how much I’ve missed you

Yessssssssss I’ve been broken hearted,
Mistrust from the one I danced with
Why why, did you ever let it show?

Paranoia, now I really know
My my, why’d you ever let it show

Beautiful

[Lady 2]

I'll be out of town for the weekend, just so you all know. Please don't do anything dumb. (She says, knowing that she'll probably be disappointed.)

[Lady 2]

Oh my.

I have some reading to do.

[Lady 2]

Still haven't gotten time to read but I saw the slips and I am much sad.

Deadline is... uhh kinda close. I should be able to catch up before it but like not much before it. It probably makes more sense to go right to second dance at this point?

[Lady 2]

she is suggesting we just dont vote anyone and no one leaves i believe

yes

Oh

That sounds like a terrible idea probably?

why? the only thing we lose is the time left in this day but that's like pretty much nothing anyway. what we gain is forcing scum to make a kill with less information.

[Lady 2]

Isis was Lady 3 and is being force-replaced.