Open 785: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Game over!]

[Umlaut]

Hi there! Glad I got into this game while it's still on the ground floor.

UNVOTE: HoldenGolden
I haven't even finished page 2 and this is already a bad vote

[Umlaut]

meaningless wagon as all wagons are early on. UNVOTE:

This makes me want to
VOTE: Mohab500
so I will.

[Umlaut]

Mohab's questions about the setup in 9 look more for show and i don't get why she unvoted in 51 - why did you? also i'd argue early wagons aren't pointless but that's not an alignment-indicative discussion to have

I know what you mean about the questions, they struck me that way at first too, but I'm habitually oversuspicious of things that look like playing dumb. Supposing she were genuinely unclear about that detail, how do you think the question would be phrased differently? or do you think she would just not ask it at all?

[Umlaut]

First impressions based on basically nothing:

• Holden town
  
• Eevee town
  
• Raya town
  
• Chemist kinda town
  
• Porkens not so great
  
• Mohab either
  
• everyone else needs to do more

[Umlaut]

Re. Eevee's question to Raya: "Poke at literally anything you notice, no matter how minuscule, just to get the game going" is a pretty plausible RVS town move IMO (though not a hard one to emulate).

Re. Eevee's reponse to me: it took me a second to think that through too (though I worked it out myself) so I can easily believe someone could have that question.

[Umlaut]

Not really sure where Umlaut’s getting his townlean on Chemist from, but the other reads do make sense.

I can try and explain this.

60 is not an obvious read, talking about mechanics is as likely to be found scummy as towny, so it comes off to me like an actual gut feeling Chemist had and gut reads are not so easy to emulate as "logical" reads.

Also, 80 and 82 basically admitting to being biased by avatars feels town to me.

Chemist probably should vote though.

[Umlaut]

Chemist probably should vote though.

?

In general, people should vote.

[Umlaut]

Chemist probably should vote though.

?

In general, people should vote.

why does it matter to you?

it’s early and I don’t have any specific scumleans yet

It doesn't matter deeply, but it is mildly (I emphasize

mildly

) anti-town not to engage in voting because analyzing vote patterns is part of how we all form reads in the first place.

Craig is too scummy to be scum

Even though I know this is a discredited concept I'm having trouble disagreeing.

[Umlaut]

Ok. I townread Craig now

Agreed, because of ~reasons~, but I will say it's not an especially strong read.

[Umlaut]

Ok. I townread Craig now

Agreed, because of ~reasons~, but I will say it's not an especially strong read.

assuming i know about this reason (i do) - why is that a reason to townread him?


~Eve

Fair question. It's mostly about the burst of actually-gamesolving posts he made and the timing with which he made them, as if to say "ah well, the jig is up, might as well be me." Something about that rings town for me though I can't really substantiate that with reasoning as to why scum wouldn't do it.

Umlaut, what do you think scum are doing?

I don't know, scum could be doing a lot of things. I suppose you could be saying that if you're town then scum would have either voted or at least cast aspersions on you, but I don't put a lot of stock in Slayer's gambit outside of newbie games (and even then it only 'works' if the scumteam isn't a pair of newbies). It's just as likely that they would wait for a wagon to form on you and then defend you, or just do something else altogether.

Umalut i'd just like you to know that Eva pronounces your name as "omelette"

~Eve

If the vowels were actually umlautted that might not be too far off, weirdly enough.

[Umlaut]

Prodging, going to try and catch up tomorrow but just not feeling up to Mafia-ing tonight

[Umlaut]

Yeah, thinking that's a genuine townslip from Fredrick. (Note to Fredrick: This isn't a "Normal Game" but an Open, and doesn't have to follow the rules about normal games)

[Umlaut]

I mean I agree it probably should have been in the rules already one way or the other, and that it's reasonable to assume no daytalk.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Chemist1422

I would like to point out what this player has done is worse than Ydrasse. (citation)

Your citation is their list of posts sitewide. Could you be a little more specific?

[Umlaut]

I had a minor emergency come up this afternoon-evening and now it's 3am and I have to sleep. I'll engage with this game tomorrow.

[Umlaut]

actually i think it's reasonable to assume daytalk if there's no mention in the rules - daytalk is the standard nowadays
i have some questions for you: when's the last time you made an omelette, what is your read on Mohab, and would you like to join Eva and i at the midnight buffet - since Ydrasse shut us down?

I guess either is something a person could assume, because no daytalk is the historical standard but having daytalk seems to be in practice more common now.

I haven't made an omelette in quite a while, but I do have some ham in the fridge so I may have to do that later! Thanks for the suggestion.

I've been very disengaged from this game and don't have real reads on anyone atm, but I'm planning to get some today! At the moment I would just say Mohab hasn't done anything to make me think she's town and I found her RVS behavior unnatural (unvoting "because RVS is over" is ridiculous and something that seems to indicate a "going through the steps" mindset rather than a "finding scum" one)

[Umlaut]

Oh, and I'm intrigued by the midnight buffet and may take you up on that, depending on what genre of food we're talking about.

[Umlaut]

I would say "do you want to explain that vote, Menalque" but I assume you would have explained it if you wanted to

[Umlaut]

Good question actually. I probably should have just said "can you explain?" because I'd be interested to see a case if there is one. But as I was writing that I realized I'm not all that confident he's going to give a case if I ask. But I guess I can at least try.

@Menalque

Would you explain where that vote is coming from?

[Umlaut]

And Holden is not VLA?

He has his V/LA flag set on his profile until, um, today. I don't think he stated in thread he was going V/LA.

Also: Hi, A50. Looking forward to your catch-up.

[Umlaut]

Umlaut, can you join me on Holden please?

Baaaa.

VOTE: Holden golden

[Umlaut]

What's the case on RCE?

[Umlaut]

I'm not looking for a knock-down argument, just... anything at all to make me think they have more-than-default scum likelihood

[Umlaut]

Fredrick what are you even doing

[Umlaut]

Prodging again, sorry

UNVOTE: Holden
Liked his catch-up wall

[Umlaut]

Ugh I wish I had just found time to play yesterday because now I'm playing catch-up

What are the wagons rn?

[Umlaut]

Kind of busy until Monday but I'll make time for this game since it's so close to deadline

[Umlaut]

Ugh I wish I had just found time to play yesterday because now I'm playing catch-up

What are the wagons rn?

Snowblaze: 2 votes to execution
RCEnigma: 2 votes to execution

Thanks, reading up now

[Umlaut]

I'll just look at the newly posted VC thx

[Umlaut]

Liked his catch-up wall

What did you like about it?

Well, there's a lot of it. (You are free to think that's a silly reason)

Also it reads like a serious attempt at more-than-surface-level analysis, and I understand where most of it is coming from, and the pool he comes up with makes sense. I note there was already to some extent a wagon on RCE there but he ends up voting Snowblaze; given that RCE is in his pool, if he were just making it all up he'd have plenty of room to reorder those a bit and join in on that wagon, which says to me he's not doing that (except maybe if RCE is actually his buddy, but at that point I'm just making up stories about how Holden could possibly be scum)

[Umlaut]

Replying to posts more or less at random as I read up:

i trust whatever fredrick is doing right now with his voting methods. they're all over the place but it inspires joy.

menalque's efforts to provide cpr to this sluggish game also inspire joy.

i don't like either of the main wagons right now. rce kind of feels like the inevitable "yeah we can all throw our votes here for the sake of a wagon" vote without anyone like... thinking too hard about it. also it feels at odds with the idea that there's a lot of lurking scum which has been tossed around quite a bit. i get not wanting to vote on slots that don't have a lot of content/none at all but meh. i feel that the votes on holden have the potential to be people trying to follow up with this idea of coasting/inactive/etc etc scum while trying to get rid of a fairly towny voice under this premise? idk.

VOTE: raya36

can you pls provide me with a general progression of ur read on holden raya ty.

Overall kind of like this post; not sure I feel as inspired as Ydrasse by Fredrick's play but I can overlook that part. Agreed on Menalque, and also she's putting into words how I've felt about the RCE wagon (which was roughly "it's not that I explicitly think RCE is town, but... why?")

Btw, I had my eyes on the RCE slot as soon as I began my catch up for yet another silly reason:

second

First

These posts looked like they were "maybe" a slip. Like 2 scums talking in their PT and deciding to hit the main thread and one assumes the other beat them to posting and the other tries to cover it by turning it into a joke (crazy, I know.. but that's why they call me MONKEY). Even post #23 looked a bit odd of sorts under that assumption, but as soon as it was RCE in Porkens shoes all my illusions evaporated.

You are right, that is a remarkably silly reason.

I do think so, yes. There is clear motivation for scum to use dumbtells: "I don't know this crucial piece of information and/or I am very disoriented, therefore I can't be scum." I'm accusing Mohab of exactly that, because is it really likely for someone to think there were power roles in this game when the setup is on the first page, and they had to have seen it when they were signing up? And furthermore, why do they need to ask this question in thread other than to show people they don't know this piece of information? It isn't even helpful for solving.

This is pretty reasonable

VOTE: snowblaze

Can I ask why vote at this moment in particular? Did something about 530 tip the scale for you?

I dunno where you got the idea that scum could have been allowed to kill scum. It's VERY rare for a mod to allow scum to kill their partners, and its usually in a "special setup" (I seem to recall one Open Setup that does) so maybe that's where you got the idea, but I can confirm I have never thought of it tbh.

I hadn't thought of it but I would say the only reason this is not allowed in typical setups is because it is normally blatantly against wincon, not because of something inherently Wrong about it.

RCEngima tried to give the impression he didn't want scum to realise they could kill each other if they hadn't already, and asked a question privately to the mod
but if that's the case, he shouldn't be making that post in the first place since it could possibly alert scum that they can kill each other

This on the other hand is a good point. Asking publicly because it didn't occur to you it could be anti-town makes sense; asking privately and saying nothing about it makes sense; asking privately and then saying publicly that you did so is strange.

Possibly against the spirit of the game, but Porken’s replace out being very scum indicative lingers in my mind...

~Eva

I don't believe in spirits, but trying to read alignment into a replacement rarely works out well in my experience.

Do you think snow is town, Eve?

Did Eve ever answer this?

Only case I see RCE doing that is if he already asked in private and got it confirmed it was impossible and THEN decided to ask about it solely for towncred

I would think this is the most likely scenario where RCE is scum, yes. Though come to think of it (maybe this is too much metagaming but I'm going to say it anyway if it affects how we read RCE), if I were mod and someone asked a question like that in the scum PT I would immediately update the rules and then post saying I had done so.

[Umlaut]

Do you think snow is town, Eve?

Did Eve ever answer this?

Yes, in 568, though they didn't call it out specifically as answering Menalque.

[Umlaut]

Going waaaay back:

I see some familiar faces. Haven't played with holden or Umlaut in a looooong time.

I've read through three or so pages and it looks like I repped into the towniest slot. Raya is a close second and holden a distant-er? Third.

I have to say it would take some chutzpah for scum to replace into a slot like Porkens' which has already picked up some shade and instantly proclaim it the towniest slot in the game. I'd expect them to try a bit harder to read the room on that.

[Umlaut]

I don't hate the Snowblaze wagon but I want to sleep on it before putting her at L-1. There are also a few other players I'd like to see more from but it would be counterproductive to say whom specifically.

[Umlaut]

Screw it, I'm going rogue.

VOTE: Mohab

My thoughts in 371 still apply only moreso since it's been longer and she

still

hasn't said anything noteworthy.

[Umlaut]

Haven't caught up yet, but it looks like my vanity wagon has come a long way!

[Umlaut]

Menalque, independently of Snowblaze, what is your actual read on Mohab?

[Umlaut]

Wow there are a lot of nonvoters for so little time left.

[Umlaut]

I know we've beaten this particular horse a lot already but I think there may still be some life in it.

I am gonna ask a really dumb question but, can there be power roles in this game?

This is a

very

weird question for a townie to be asking, because it's effectively a VT claim on page 5. (Yes everyone is a VT, but if town!Mohab is genuinely asking this question it means she doesn't know that, so she's making a substantial claim.) A townie who is actually confused on this point ought to, if not read the setup (because who does that?), then PM the mod. That's another reason to think the question isn't genuine.

[Umlaut]

A townie who is actually confused on this point ought to, if not read the setup (because who does that?), then PM the mod.

I've never ever heard of a townie PM'ing the mod to ask what the setup is.

I've done it. Now you've heard of it. (Why would you hear of it, unless you were modding the game where it happened?)

[Umlaut]

There was something unclear about it. As I recall there was a detail of the setup that I thought was underspecified as written.

In other news:

I see you, Mohab.

[Umlaut]

My point is less about whether they cared to look but more that that post would have been anti-town in the alternate reality where Mohab was town and the setup had PRs, because it would be prematurely claiming VT.

[Umlaut]

Seems like Mohab is just not playing this game. There is no reason as town or scum for her not to have her vote on Snowblaze here.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Ydrasse

I appreciate that verbose is not your style, but you want to push a new wagon now you're going to have to make a pretty strong case.

[Umlaut]

Plurality mechanics or no, I'm afraid if we don't majority someone the day will never end

[Umlaut]

I'm not against Mohab's slot dying; I am, however, against killing an empty slot.

Why?

Fmpov, the issue is this: if snow is town, why are scum so committed to seeing her go through? Because I don’t think anyone else has been advocating that much for a snow!guillo other than me, and I know that I’m town and this is a town push on her. Whereas mohab very much only came up after the RCE wagon attempt had fallen apart

So if snow is town and mohab is scum, why aren’t the actual scum doing anything to resist mohab!flip or to back my snow push? Unless they’re entirely counting on my snow push as a defence of mohab, but that seems unlikely given that I can always change my mind and that putting all your eggs into the “letting a townie defend our scumbuddy” feels like a scumteam ceding far to much ground to be plausible

You’ve made a few arguments along these lines, and I find them very hard to evaluate in near mode: that is, I can’t actually decide how likely it is to see the wagons move the way they’ve moved if Snow is town, and how likely if Snow is scum. So I don’t know how much evidence is being provided or even whether it’s evidence at all. (What are scum doing to resist a Snow flip, if Snow is scum and Mohab is town?) So I fall back on far mode: are

arguments of this sort

reliable in general? And from that perspective I think that trying to make these kinds of analyses on day 1, with zero flips, is generally an exercise in futility. So though I know it’s annoying for me to say “I’m just ignoring your argument because I don’t trust it” that’s kind of what’s happening, sorry.

I like the Titus vote tbh.

I must be getting dumber by the minute, but I can't tell if by "the Titus vote" you're referring to hers on Ydrasse or Fredrick's on her.

n

ᵗʰed

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Ydrasse

Because why not

This is

very weird.

We’re almost at deadline. You’ve expressed a belief that Snow is scum, and that the wagons are S v T. Mohab is the leading wagon, by a single vote. So you vote Ydrasse?

edited to fix tag errors.

-nsg

[Umlaut]

uggh tag errors

[Umlaut]

In fact

VOTE: Titus

Normally I’d be afraid of throwing the election by voting third-party, but since I’m reasonably okay with either candidate I’m not so worried about that.

[Umlaut]

Mae is at E-1 just so everyone knows
Snow is E-2

Actually it looks like they’re both at -1 assuming the last VC was correct. And I’m holding the hammer, fun.

Probably still going to just go with Maemuki here but I disliked Titus’ earlier vote enough that it gives me pause in joining back in on that wagon.

[Umlaut]

Going to resist the temptation to just leave this to the gods and actually take some time to go back and reread carefully and make sure I’m happy with this.

Or maybe I’ll just put it off for a few hours and then go with whatever feels right. But if I do that I’ll at least feel guilty about it!

[Umlaut]

Titus might be scum

Do you think this implies that Snow is scum, or that both wagons are on town?

[Umlaut]

I mean I know you already think Snow is scum, so maybe a dumb question, but she did come in saying Snow likely scum out of the two which seems like maybe

not

the preferred starting point when there are two competing wagons and busing is so dangerous in this setup?

[Umlaut]

Fred, if you steal my hammer I'll cry. (Which I realize might not dissuade you)

[Umlaut]

I'm rereading right now. You still prefer Snowblaze, right? You just might get your wish if you wait for me to do this. (No promises, I'm just going to do my due diligence before hammering and maybe I'll change my mind)

[Umlaut]

Who do you prefer then?

[Umlaut]

Yeah, I could do a full reread of Snowblaze here but this ultimately isn't about Snowblaze-is-town but about Mohabmuki-is-scum for me. The kicker is her wanting to "keep [her townreads] close to [her] chest" (as Raya pointed out) while freely giving her analysis of

her predecessor

as if that's a meaningful use of her time when she's likely out of the game any minute. Coming in, doing a 2-hour catchup, and then just saying "My counterwagon is scum and I'm voting her" with no other reads offered, is not what town does here.

(Ironically I might have townread her coming in and just saying "I'm survival-voting Snowblaze because I'm town" but instead she had to try and offer some semblance of reasoning)

Sorry you replaced in just to get roped, Mae, but it is what it is.


VOTE: Maemuki

[Umlaut]

Tmw you hammer to end the day and then the day never ends

[Umlaut]

Votecount 1.Final

Maemuki

.............

(7):

Eevee

(622), Raya36 (634),

Snowblaze

(646), Ydrasse (658), Something_Smart (839),

Titus

(882),

Umlaut

(903)

Snowblaze

...........

(6):

RCEnigma (672), Montosh (785), Almost50 (814),

Fredrick A Campbell

(824), Menalque (852),

Maemuki

(878)

I'm not going to say it's impossible that scum would bus here but it's a very risky play and something we can revisit in lylo if necessary. For now I'm giving provisional town status to Raya, Ydrasse, S_S.

Menalque was willing to abandon the Snowblaze wagon for Titus with me, albeit temporarily, even though it made it more likely the Mohamuki lynch went through. That's not the safest of scum moves and I think I want to give Menalque some townpoints for that.

That leaves {RCEnigma, Montosh, Almost50}. Haven't paid very close attention to any of these so far (I think I recall saying the other day that RCE was a townlean but I literally don't remember why) and need to go back and look closer at them today.

[Umlaut]

I'm rereading yesterday and realized there's a point I planned to follow up on and never did.

@Eve

I made a ham and cheese omelette the other day and it was fantastic.

[Umlaut]

btw how do you pronounce your own name? there's actually a lot of ways when you really think about it

The dictionary way, which is "

oom

-lout"

[Umlaut]

So the thing is

We shouldn't just lynch someone today "because we're going to do it anyway" unless we actually believe they're the most likely scum, because we stand to win the game today if we guess correctly. And as long as

both

buddies weren't busing we have a decent chance of guessing correctly just by choosing the scummiest from the Snowblaze wagon.

I am a bit paranoid on further reflection that it would actually be a really cute scum strat to double-bus here because we have no other way of getting investigation results, so if town could be convinced that was "impossible" then scum have just won the game even with five clears as we lynch one Snowblaze voter after another. Seeing one of our clears is off the Mohab wagon does not make me feel any less paranoid in that regard, and I want to keep that in mind as at least a possibility, but I'm still willing to operate today on the more likely scenario that that's not what happened.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Almost50

Really dislike the “poor me” post that is 1039

[Umlaut]

Menalque, do you think

two

scum put their eggs in the "fake setup questions" basket?

[Umlaut]

i think all 3 scum were on your wagon and the only reason they didn't manage to lynch you was thanks to your high effort and solving so good job!

If this is true then we autowin just by lynching everyone but Frederick on the Snowblaze wagon, since we only need to get one more scum by Day 4 to win. Do we think that’s right?

Maybe it just is right, but there’s a whole lot of WIFOM to work through there.

[Umlaut]

You -of all- know that I don't do "poor me" (as Umlaut referred to it) as scum.

I feel like you did do “poor me” as scum in our newbie game together, but admittedly that was a long time ago.

[Umlaut]

I'd imagine the conftown are kind of holding back and trying to let everyone else play the game.

[Umlaut]

Menalque, is there anyone else you're willing to vote from the Snowblaze wagon? I'm not really feeling S_S today, and even if I were I don't think it would really be doable.

[Umlaut]

("Else" meaning "other than RCE" since I apparently talked you out of that)

[Umlaut]

I need to post something, but I'm honestly really satisfied with the A50 wagon and happy to prodge to victory at this point

[Umlaut]

Is this day still going? Is A50 still breathing? Why?

[Umlaut]

Yeah I'm in pretty much the same place as Snowblaze here.

Does anyone know the current VC?

[Umlaut]

I'm too lazy to go back and reread everything I skimmed the first time, someone tell me why Menalque is scum and why A50 isn't.

[Umlaut]

I'm explicitly not interested in Menalque today. Lynch someone else please.

(Menalque, feel free to crow in the postgame about pocketing me if you're scum)

[Umlaut]

If we get scum today then there is no gamestate for it to be unhealthy for.

[Umlaut]

I'm not super tied to A50 specifically, but I want to go somewhere on the Snowblaze wagon and not Menalque. I could do Montosh but I haven't seen anything I specifically didn't like there where I have from A50. Maaaaybe RCE, but I'm willing to put a decent amount of stock in the idea that we didn't see two mafia both play the "asking mech questions for towncred" game.

[Umlaut]

Ewww. This vote the and the whole stream of posts following is so bad. Why are we not lynching here? Menalque says well hey yes sure I am probably the slot that needs to be evaluated today so definitely vote me. And guess what, people move off that wagon because "scum would never do that".

Is that really why anyone moved off the wagon, though? Several players including myself have given reasons for thinking Menalque is town and "because he self-voted" is nowhere among them.

[Umlaut]

Then are you interested in engaging the other reasons, or are you just going to choose the weakest one anyone might hypothetically offer and point out that it's weak?

[Umlaut]

Why is it so hard to lynch on the Snow wagon?

VOTE: Montosh
Maybe this is more doable than A50. His latest posts are pinging me.

[Umlaut]

I've

tried

and everyone hates every wagon I pick

[Umlaut]

I'll reread you and Ydrasse tomorrow, I pinky promise.

[Umlaut]

Okay okay I promised I'd read so now here I am reading

[Umlaut]

I mean the Menalque wagon lacks a single conftown so yeah

Eevee's been pushing Menalque all day (need to see why he stopped actually?).

[Umlaut]

Well, on and off

[Umlaut]

I've decided I hate both these wagons. I hate the Ydrasse wagon a bit less and can jump on if it's between her and Menalque. I'd prefer literally any of {Montosh, A50, RCE} unless someone explains to me why all of them are town.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Ydrasse

Don't say I never did anything for you.

[Umlaut]

Or A50?

I’m starting to wonder if I wrote him off too quickly, but on a readback, I didn’t find him as scummy.

~Eva

I could do A50, I don't really understand what caused anyone to townread him. Show of hands?

[Umlaut]

Me. A50 is too easy to wagon for the unconfirmed. He admitted he was wrong and ate his humble pie.

A50 was scum in my second game on the site and based on that I don't think this is out of his range. In that game he literally spent the night composing a giant case arguing that RC was scum, then

shot him

and in the morning said "oh darn, and here I am with this whole case that RC is scum, I was so wrong, I don't blame you if you lynch me after that"

[Umlaut]

If we aren’t locking in our decision now, I can come back in a few hours and reevaluate. I still think that Ydrasse post I linked was scummy. Umlaut, can you give it another read and tell me what you think?

~Eva

Yeah, I probably can

[Umlaut]

Titus, it's not just that he has a

good

scum game (though he certainly does in some respects), it's that he has a

wild

one and if anyone would nk the counterwagon to frame

himself

just so he can reverse-psych everyone into townreading his admission of error it's him.

[Umlaut]

Eevee, I read over Ydrasse's 1270 as you said and I think you need to explain what it is you dislike about it, because I mostly find myself in agreement with Ydrasse's arguments as I read them and they make me want to switch my vote over to Almost even more.

In fact, I will.

VOTE: Almost50

Looks like the counterwagon to Ydrasse has crumbled anyway so I may as well protest vote. If someone wants to talk me into moving my protest vote elsewhere, I am open to persuasion

and bribes

.

[Umlaut]

Eevee, that's such a weird wagon hop I had to double check that you were conftown and I hadn't misremembered.

[Umlaut]

But thanks!

[Umlaut]

it's me getting down on one knee and offering you a ring pop if you vote a50.

Hey,

I'm

supposed to be the one taking bribes here

[Umlaut]

[case]

That's a pretty good case.

I just might move my vote but I'm going to take a quick look at the current VC first.

[Umlaut]

Unofficial VC

• Montosh
  (5): Menalque [1626], Titus [1628], Fredrick A Campbell [1629], Almost50 [1631], Snowblaze [1632]
  
  Almost50
  (5): Ydrasse [1573], Umlaut [1590], Eevee [1593], Raya36 [1620], Montosh [1633]
  
  Menalque
  (1): RCEnigma [1102]
  
  Raya36
  (1): Something_Smart [1519]

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-07-30 18:57:59).

[Umlaut]

I like both these wagons, and frankly I am more interested RCE's and S_S' votes than I am in my own, so I'm going to just let this ride until deadline. Montosh has seniority right now since the wagons were 5-4 as of Snowblaze's vote.

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So if either of these wagons is on scum then RCE and S_S

have

to both be town or else have balls of steel

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(of course by the time we know one of the wagons is on scum the game is probably over, but still)

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Oh, right.

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I

still

don't understand what happens if we lynch town today but scum tomorrow, as far as the escape mechanism goes. Does the last scum escape and we lose? Do they escape and we win? Do they hang around for Day 4?

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Never mind, I read again and got it. So:

• If we get either scum today, we win
  
• If we get either scum tomorrow, we win
  
• If we don't get scum both today and tomorrow, then one escapes (and we learn who they are) and we have to get the other on Day 4 to win

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Montosh is the leading wagon anyway Eva, I don't see anyone changing their mind now, so I'll vote it if you will. Save an hour waiting for deadline that way.

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VOTE: Montosh

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Ugh I forgot there was no Night 2 at all

I'm going to sleep and thinking about this flip tomorrow.

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What does everyone think of an A50/Menalque team? I remember it was in Snow's list of unlikely but I forget why

Honestly was going to post pretty much just this whenever I got around to posting.

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I'd consider that from Ydrasse onto A50. The Monotosh wagon was too pure.

I mean. At most two of the people on any wagon can possibly be scum, so "all but two people who voted Montosh are town" is not information we would not have anyway and I don't see how we can use it as evidence one way or the other for anything.

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Who here has experience with scum!Menalque? Would he have the audacity to put his last living partner at L-2 in a white flag game? Based on my zero experience with scum!Menalque, I suspect the answer is yes.

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Raya, is your case that Menalque is scum dependent on A50 being scum? If so, wouldn't it make more sense to lynch A50 today?

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Oh, I was prodded.

VOTE: Menalque

We're going to do this anyway so let's just get it done.

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The lesson here is that I should always lurk and fail to contribute and then pop in to hammer someone who looks pretty town to me

Well played, Menalque! You almost got away with it.

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It was Eevee's comment that your vote onto Titus was scummy that got me to flip there, actually. At the core of my townread on you was that scum would have no sufficient reason to jump off the Snow wagon like you did, when you did, and once I saw that scum

might

have a sufficient reason there was really nothing holding that read together and I was left with just

he hard-pushed a couple of wagons on town and is really the most obvious suspect

and no reason not to flip you. So agreed Eevee is MVP here.

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Nice trolling, Menalque

I need to look more closely at the EOD interactions and see who

wasn't

posting after Menalque claimed scum. Also probably just read through everything.

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@mod v/la until Monday

I realize my participation in this game has been atrocious and I really am intending to get back in the saddle before it ends, but this weekend is bad for that

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I will say it makes a lot of sense that if one scum bused then they both bused so happy to look at the Mohab wagon with a fresh eye.

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Okay I'm around, trying to make myself read

at least

all of today's posts and I hope go back and read some older ones.

Don't promise I'll get everything done tonight but I'll at least do something

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Ydrasse's 2032 actually looks pretty good? Note to self: go actually follow all the links and reread the posts Ydrasse is talking about to make sure it still looks good

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Sigh, I just keep agreeing with whatever was the last post I read

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what if i told you i'm like 90% sure it's a50 and he's bamboozling you

Are you in fact going to tell us this? Because I was pushing A50 d2 and probably would have been d3 if I had bothered to do much of anything so I'd be quite gratified to find out I was right in the first place

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Votecount 1.Final

Maemuki

.............

(7):

Eevee

(622), Raya36 (634),

Snowblaze

(646),

Ydrasse

(658),

Something_Smart

(839),

Titus

(882),

Umlaut

(903)

Snowblaze

...........

(6):

RCEnigma (672),

Montosh

(785), Almost50 (814),

Fredrick A Campbell

(824),

Menalque

(852),

Maemuki

(878)

Not Voting

..........

(0):

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. Maemuki has been lynched.

Votecount 2.Final

Montosh

.............

(7):

Menalque

(1626),

Titus

(1628),

Fredrick A Campbell

(1629), Almost50 (1631),

Snowblaze

(1632),

Eevee

(1669),

Umlaut

(1670)

Almost50

............

(3):

Ydrasse (1573), Raya36 (1620),

Montosh

(1633)

Raya36

..............

(1):

Something_Smart

(1519)

Something_Smart

.....

(1):

RCEnigma (1653)

Not Voting

..........

(0):

With 12 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. Montosh has been lynched.

Votecount 3.Final

Menalque

............

(6):

RCEnigma (1679), Ydrasse (1683),

Fredrick A Campbell

(1843),

Eevee

(1861), Raya36 (1913),

Umlaut

(1919)

Ydrasse

.............

(2):

Titus

(1688),

Menalque

(1715)

Something_Smart

.....

(2):

Almost50 (1745)

Raya36

..............

(1):

Snowblaze

(1886)

Not Voting

..........

(2):

Something_Smart

(1835)

With 11 alive, it’s 6 to lynch. Menalque has been lynched.

I know some of these have already been done but I want them all together where I can see them at a glance.

Kind of want to agree it's Ydrasse or Raya, but that day 2 VC is really something if A50 is town. That said if A50 were S_S' buddy I would expect to see him pushing Montosh as a counterwagon to him on d2, so maybe I can still interpret that VC as clearing him.

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uh yeah, Ydrasse shouldn't be green in the day 1 vc, I'm the best at proofreading

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So good chance Ydrasse is town based on the reaction to Menalque pretending to be scum, right? And maybe S_S for going along with the act?

Raya, can you say what changed your mind about this? (Obviously remembering S_S is scum changed your mind there but was that alone enough to change your mind about Ydrasse too?)

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Wow I haven't posted in... a long time

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What's VC?

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Kind of want to just vote Ydrasse because I've gotten more townvibes from Raya and still think it's one of them. That's how I've been leaning all day so if I'm going to do it anyway I may as well just do it I guess

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2255 is actually a good point. I'll think about it more.

I don't actually have any problem believing RCE? I'm super disengaged from the game, sorry. I'd appreciate your making the case and not worrying too much what scum!Ydrasse might do with it.

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I finally got myself to actually start doing some day 1 rereading, and call me crazy but this exchange

Craig is too scummy to be scum

Even though I know this is a discredited concept I'm having trouble disagreeing.

Yeah, 100%, but he is TOOOOOO scummy to be scum

makes me really want to say Raya is town for this alone (and makes me wonder why I didn't stick with that read myself on d3, but the past is the past).

"Too scummy to be scum" is such an ill-thought-of basis for a read that I really don't see any scum player being likely to appeal to it at all, and definitely not for someone who is actually town.

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RCE, you're being... erratic

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I was still leaning toward voting Ydrasse but now I'm not so sure

aaaaarrrgh

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RCEnigma appears to have given up.

Agreed, but is giving up alignment-indicative here? If anything I think town is in the worse position so being demotivated is maybe towny here.

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VOTE: Ydrasse

This is probably always what I end up doing

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UNVOTE: Ydrasse

Want to think about one or two more things first

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If it wasn't for that self vote I'd be fully ready to go Ydrasse. Now I don't know for sure. UNVOTE:

I'm wondering if this is the scummy willingness-to-lynch-whoever we've been looking for

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I could do A50. (I could have done A50 day 2, remind me why we didn't do it then?)

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Fuck it

VOTE: Almost50

If I'm going down, I'm going down voting the person I wanted dead since day 2.

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If it really is A50 then my reads were goddamn amazing this game and I will definitely pretend that was my incredible scumhunting skill and not dumb luck.

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Almost almost got away with it here, glad we managed to pull it together. Sorry for my crazy low activity the past couple of days, and thank you NSG for modding!

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Really sorry for hammering you Menalque, I genuinely regret that. Weirdly enough I think the biggest flaw in my town game is that I'm usually not arrogant enough and just sort of assume if everyone disagrees with me I must be missing something when I should be just saying "MY READS ARE THE BEST AND YOU ALL SHOULD SHEEP THEM"