A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Gentleman 5]

How is a werewolf/vampire/warlock (from now on will be referred to as a vamlolf) going to pocket an IC?

I mean idk, probably the same way scum would pocket an IC in other games?

Or you know, they just kill him during intermission like every other dance game

[Gentleman 5]

the wide range of things to analyze is bad it gives scum direction to play

You're right, based on this information they may decide to try to pair up and then kill the ic at night

[Gentleman 5]

I ask Lady 8 to the dance

My reasoning is as follows:

-Having a sample of Lady 8's postings, I believe I'll be able to get a good read on her alignment if we are in a pt together. So far I like them in a nai way but believe that it is possible for them to be mafia.
-To that extent, I disagree with post 312 from Lady 7. I'm not townreading Lady 6 specifically right now. Lady 8 I feel hasn't revealed enough of her heart to be able to tell. I don't know how I feel about Lady 7 as a result of this.
-I intend to put in work this game.

[Gentleman 5]

That isn't allowed now?

We're allowed to talk about it, lady 2 is mistaken about the nature of the rule.

I never saw the replace-out as it's since been deleted, thouh I can take a guess as to what happened. I don't think Gentleman 6 looks suspicious; lying about experience doesn't necessarily point to mafia, even if true. Also, the mod may know him from elsewhere and have personally extended an invitation.

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 1 locktown energy for going for his heart's desire.

Why?

[Gentleman 5]

I don't know how I feel about Lady 7 as a result of this.

Update: I think Lady 7 is town

[Gentleman 5]

I don't think we should consider G6's final post as alignment indicative. Angleshooting tends to backfire in general.

the wide range of things to analyze is bad it gives scum direction to play

You're right, based on this information they may decide to try to pair up and then kill the ic at night

I can see why mafia wouldn't pair with the IC, but why do you think they would pair up as opposed to pairing with town?

I don't have a read on G5 yet, and it's interesting that he's decided to shoot his shot so quickly. Are you fully caught up now?

I was being sarcastic, I didn't mean to imply that mafia would pair with each other.

[Gentleman 5]

Why?

The G1 & L7 pairing looks a lot townier than with L8. Especially L7's response to being asked makes it likely that they aren't scummates.

Can you further explain why you think Gentleman 1 is town? Is it only because he asked Lady 7?

[Gentleman 5]

the gentlemen do have some urgency to shoot their shots

there are only 8 ladies compared to 9 men

Are you implying something here?

[Gentleman 5]

Is it only because he asked Lady 7?

Yes, instead of asking/accepting someone who was already willing, he asked someone who he's trying to read.

Can you point me to where Gentleman 1 implies he's asking Lady 7 to the dance because he's trying to read her? Or to why you thought that.

[Gentleman 5]

I'll come out and say it: I'm not townreading Gent 1, I think his content so far is lacking when looked at in iso, and many of his posts are banter/joking around. I don't see any indication that Gent 1 has a reason like trying to read Lady 7 for the proposal, my guess was that he townreads lady 7 (or more nefarious reasons, if he's not town).
I pretty much don't agree with what Gent 3 is saying right now, and think he's attributing things to Gent 1 that aren't there. I think it's interesting that Gent 1's proposal was the first thing he talked about. His response in 355 is curious; I asked him about Gent 1 and he started talking about lady 7 being towny.

[Gentleman 5]

He never said why he picked her, although it might've been her reaction to him hinting he might pick me. Or maybe he was planning on picking her all along. I don't know! But I got over it

Well, I think he should explain what he was thinking

gent 1 has charisma and that seems to be the primary reason for town reading him so far

Agree

[Gentleman 5]

I ask Lady 8 to the dance

My reasoning is as follows:

-Having a sample of Lady 8's postings, I believe I'll be able to get a good read on her alignment if we are in a pt together. So far I like them in a nai way but believe that it is possible for them to be mafia.
-To that extent, I disagree with post 312 from Lady 7. I'm not townreading Lady 6 specifically right now. Lady 8 I feel hasn't revealed enough of her heart to be able to tell. I don't know how I feel about Lady 7 as a result of this.
-I intend to put in work this game.

I am trying to decide if he wants to pair up with the towniest person in the game because he thinks he needs "a bit more"
Or if he is trying to look town while snagging the towniest person in the game.

My initial reaction would be the latter but the rest of his posts are alright so I am unsure right now.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't townread lady 8 to a certain extent; I just think there is a capacity for her to be fooling us in there, moreso than what I feel coming from you, if that makes sense to you.

This is also my personal preference; the avatar interested me and then the posting seems like someone I could get along with

[Gentleman 5]

Pedit: I really wasn't getting the vibe I was the towniest ?!!?! If that were true I'd approach this dance proposal differently. But I was more getting the idea I was in the null range, and he wanted to be the hero that solves me.

Is this not the case?

I don't know, because only Lady 7 has weighed in with a read on you

[Gentleman 5]

Or am I mistaken? I don't remember other people talking about Lady 8, but Gent 4 just said that she was being townread

[Gentleman 5]

I just think L8.Ghost is a clear partner scum would want to pair up with.

I think your reasoning makes sense, but I am not aligned with the mafia.
Who do you think they should be paired with?

[Gentleman 5]

The Gents have been townier thus far

Who has?

[Gentleman 5]

Sorry if you think it's odd I'd post all these tin foils about you and call you town at the end.
I just don't like to make mistakes when I play mafia even if I end up making many.

Oh it's fine, It makes sense to me to want to wait before making game-altering choices.

I feel better about Lady 6 after seeing their last several posts.

I think Gent 1 is overrated

I think Gent 3 is saying stuff that isn't really substantiated by other stuff in thread

What you are saying about scum wanting to pair with L8 makes sense to me

[Gentleman 5]

Creepy Lady 8 deserves someone better than caveman gent 5

Who is better than me among the Gents?

[Gentleman 5]

So do you townread Lady 8, then?

[Gentleman 5]

And why

[Gentleman 5]

I don't think your reasoning for proposal makes a lot of sense,

What is wrong with my reasoning for proposal?

and it's seems youre backtracking after blue lady 7 called you out a bit

It wasn't backtracking.

Think of it like this, I wanted to dance with Lady 8 for personal reasons, and I also feel that it would be a good pairing for gameplay reasons, those gameplay reasons being that I think I can get a good read on her.

When proposing to Lady 8, I led with the gameplay reasons, and didn't bring up the personal reasons. Lady 7 said she didn't fully buy it, so then I explained the personal reasons

[Gentleman 5]

I ask Lady 8 to the dance

My reasoning is as follows:

-Having a sample of Lady 8's postings, I believe I'll be able to get a good read on her alignment if we are in a pt together. So far I like them in a nai way but believe that it is possible for them to be mafia.
-To that extent, I disagree with post 312 from Lady 7. I'm not townreading Lady 6 specifically right now. Lady 8 I feel hasn't revealed enough of her heart to be able to tell. I don't know how I feel about Lady 7 as a result of this.
-I intend to put in work this game.

I don't know how I feel about Lady 7 as a result of this.

Update: I think Lady 7 is town

Neither lady 7 nor lady 6 were good choices for me at the time under that reasoning, by my own words

Note that while I want to sort someone, I prefer it to be someone who is null to null town, not somebody that I am already scumreading, or null scumreading

[Gentleman 5]

Gent 8, what was your reasoning for pairing with Lady 3?

[Gentleman 5]

if so then why are you proposing less than a day into the game rather than a bit more until your reads solidify?

Selfish reasons mostly, as the game goes on I'm less likely to be a part of a pairing I'll enjoy

[Gentleman 5]

Let me elaborate by saying It's selfish but effective, as I think highly of myself, but I'm not running around with an ego; that's just my own justification for proposing so early

[Gentleman 5]

I took his phrasing as "I think there's a slightly higher chance Lady 8 is fooling us than Lady 7". Or something like that.

Lady 7 seems more straightforward to me, yes.
I think you look townier as a result of your reaction to my proposal,.

What I was saying for you is that you had more

capacity to fool

.
That means I believe that there is a chance that you are less straightforward than Lady 7, in that you have posts that other people see as good, and also have a lot of 'emotional banter' almost, with you talking about gent 1 and going 'noooo' etc

It's a long winded explanation but basically I think you could play this way as scum whereas I don't think Lady could play this way as scum

[Gentleman 5]

if you have a big ego and you think you could scumhunt through PT you would ask someone not L8 to dance.

The only person who was townreading Lady 8 at the time was Lady 7 and partially myself in my heart

[Gentleman 5]

Gent 8, what was your reasoning for pairing with Lady 3?

I'm interested in this

[Gentleman 5]

And by Gent 8 I mean Gent 9.

[Gentleman 5]

I like Gentleman 5 even if he doesn't believe in me.

I proposed to L7.Blue because she was the towniest and she feels like a partner I can solve with. L8.Spirit has been even townier since though and she's tempting me to the dance floor with her glamor. Can I have two offers out?

You can have multiple offers out, yes

[Gentleman 5]

I like Gentleman 5 even if he doesn't believe in me.

Do you scumread anyone?

[Gentleman 5]

@Gent 5

What is the difference between Lady 8, me, 6,seal, and 1.sad.

I simply sorted by post count, I am curious why you wanted to pair up with her in particular over anyone else given she is the most widely town read individual but you want to pair up for sorting based reasons?

Also do you have a nickname of sorts I could use?

To start with, I don't have a strong opinion of 1 sad, so I'm not considering her more or less than any other randomly chosen lady

6 seal: at the time I arrived in thread, having read her posts, I wasn't a fan. Posts like 203, 211, 302 read as tonally scummy to me. I think there was a notable shift in the way they posted after I showed up in thread that makes me like them more; maybe I'm biased because I agreed with her.

7 blue: The only thing that stuck out about you to me was your reads in 312, in which I thought it was too early for the read on 8 Ghost and disagreed with the read on 6 Seal. After my initial proposal, which was to 8 Ghost, I went back and looked at some of your posts more closely and you felt straightforward/town to me. If given the choice, I'd dance with you if 8 Ghost doesn't work out - though that doesn't align with my initial reasoning for choosing 8 Ghost and you may find my selection in partners to be scummy.

8 ghost: I'll link to posts that made me think they have the capacity to be scum: 197, 202, 210, 212, 225. These posts are different than her current posting, I feel.

[Gentleman 5]

Who is 'glasses'?

[Gentleman 5]

Can you explain in a sentence what seems scum motivated about my posts?

You skipped over a lot of discussion to get to the part where somebody said something negative about you, then immediately wrote it off

[Gentleman 5]

I already have my 3 pairings I want in end game can I get a gg

I’m intrigued. Let’s discuss.

You/me
Lady 8/IC
Lady 4/Gent 5.

Thoughts?

Explain Lady 4 townread

[Gentleman 5]

Maybe I should take this a little bit more seriously. Also I don't think I've done anything that isn't hard to fake as a wolf so like, don't get the townreading on me either

This is bad LAMIST

I think it's fair, because Blue 7 was putting Lady 1 next to Ghost 8 and Blue 7 when talking to me and asking why I chose Ghost 8

[Gentleman 5]

Maybe I should take this a little bit more seriously. Also I don't think I've done anything that isn't hard to fake as a wolf so like, don't get the townreading on me either

This is bad LAMIST

I think it's fair, because Blue 7 was putting Lady 1 next to Ghost 8 and Blue 7 when talking to me and asking why I chose Ghost 8

Was that post specifically addressed to you?

I'm talking about 419, and yes it was, and that's what I believe prompted the post in 423

[Gentleman 5]

Also do you have a nickname of sorts I could use?

You guys can pick

[Gentleman 5]

6 seal: at the time I arrived in thread, having read her posts, I wasn't a fan. Posts like 203, 211, 302 read as tonally scummy to me. I think there was a notable shift in the way they posted after I showed up in thread that makes me like them more; maybe I'm biased because I agreed with her.

G5 can you describe why these posts read tonally scummy to you? I'm not getting that part of your progression because I don't think I changed the way I was posting and my opinions stayed mostly the same.

In fact the posts you quoted have a scum read on G1 and a town read on L8, both opinions you entered the game with

The way you were talking about mechanics/pairings felt bad to me. It wasn't a very developed read, that was and is my initial impressions on those posts. Bad feelings.

[Gentleman 5]

I can probably look at Lady 7 objectively now

since she's no longer my rival.

To me it seems like Ghosty 8 has already decided that they'd be pairing with me at this point.

Post 477 tingles my suspicions; pairing with the IC in Ghosty 8's position would actually be bad if she were mafia, because the general consensus has shifted to think she is town.

The way she talks about me in 408 fuels my suspicion as well. If she is mafia, she's likely decided that she wants to accept my proposal, is what I think... I can see town her feeling 'possessive' I guess, with this post and 477.

@Blue 7 it's your initial reasoning but in reverse, Lady 8 would want to pair with me if they were, mafia, probably...

Am I the only person who is seeing things like this?

[Gentleman 5]

I'd love to be paired with Ghosty 8.

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 9 pairing immediately and then grilling me for my reasons for wanting to pair with Ghosty 8 rubbed off on me the wrong way.

I get that he was sorting me, but still.

I wish he'd answer why he paired with 3 right away. Why not wait yourself and then pair with 8 yourself if you thought that way?

[Gentleman 5]

I townread Lady 1

[Gentleman 5]

It's worth noting that in the last anonymous dance setup (which can be found in your egoposts, except for gent 9) the mafia paired with the IC and managed to survive all the way to the final 2 pairings before losing

[Gentleman 5]

Actually, G3.Collar's posts so far aren't great. Explaining his locktown energy read on me by arguing G1/L7 is less likely to be scum than G1/L8 is really not answering the question. Also, I didn't say or suggest the reasoning in 359. Could be TMI?

Collar, when you return to the dance floor, could you explain why you answered Skyrim's question in such a way, and why you assumed I picked L7.Blue over L8.Ghost for those reasons?

Yes, this is a thing that happened

[Gentleman 5]

@Lady 4 At this point, I am reading G1(Sans), G9, L2(Rosalina), L6(Seal), and L7(blue) as town. Everyone else I am still evaluating.

What are your thoughts on Me and Ghosty

I can see Rosalina 2 as town

[Gentleman 5]

whats up with all the spec talk its like peak wifom

idk I usually just ignore the setup tbh

is this where i ask you to dance

its very clear our thoughts aligned we looked at each others in the eyes (through the mask) and fell in love.

I just noticed that he did answer and I missed it

Do you think Lady 3 is town?

[Gentleman 5]

what pairings are there so far?

G9-L3
G5-L8
G1-L7

[Gentleman 5]

I'd love to be paired with Ghosty 8.

ohh~!!!

Fuck I want to be paired with you too

Accept Gent 5

It is my honor

[Gentleman 5]

A warlock, a werewolf and a vampire

And a god

this is pretty town

Not seeing it, especially with just this quote. It seems NAI to me.

[Gentleman 5]

I see G3 has decided to join L3, RIP

Gent 3 did what?

@Lady 4 At this point, I am reading G1(Sans), G9, L2(Rosalina), L6(Seal), and L7(blue) as town. Everyone else I am still evaluating.

@Lady 4 At this point, I am reading G1(Sans), G9, L2(Rosalina), L6(Seal), and L7(blue) as town. Everyone else I am still evaluating.

What are your thoughts on Me and Ghosty

I can see Rosalina 2 as town

Can both of you talk about Rosalina 2 because that's my strongest SR rn

Well I thought that them talking about Gent 9 and Lady 3 earlier and then more recently seemed like a town thought process. Looking over their iso that is all they've talked about, really, and now there's doubts as to whether Lady 3 is really town.

[Gentleman 5]

Aren’t you supposed to be propositioning me or something?

Who, me?

that's silly. the women in this game aren't the ones in danger of getting kicked out of my ball so why would they, even as scum, care about quickly accepting an offer?

That's true, but then maybe they're scum and just didn't have a plan in mind and did whatever

It sort of feels like L7, L8, G1, G4, G5, L6 are freezing out the rest of the game and just talking among each other

idk if that means that there is a cluster of scum in there, but it does make the game highly demotivating and uninteresting from the perspective of someone who is outside that, and also I'm somewhat doubtful that scum is entirely outside that grouping even though I don't have strong reads on anyone inside it

I don't think that's true. People posted before I showed up, then they left, and I started posting. I'm talking with anyone who speaks.

[Gentleman 5]

hey gents, will accept whoever wants to proposition me next at this point

Why?

What is 'this point', the start of the second irl day of this game? (not even)

[Gentleman 5]

Aren’t you supposed to be propositioning me or something?

1Who, me?

that's silly. the women in this game aren't the ones in danger of getting kicked out of my ball so why would they, even as scum, care about quickly accepting an offer?

That's true, but then maybe they're scum and just didn't have a plan in mind and did whatever

It sort of feels like L7, L8, G1, G4, G5, L6 are freezing out the rest of the game and just talking among each other

idk if that means that there is a cluster of scum in there, but it does make the game highly demotivating and uninteresting from the perspective of someone who is outside that, and also I'm somewhat doubtful that scum is entirely outside that grouping even though I don't have strong reads on anyone inside it

2I don't think that's true. People posted before I showed up, then they left, and I started posting. I'm talking with anyone who speaks.

1 you, but also the other gentlemen in general

2 it feels to me very much like that has been an in-group so far that has primarily been interested in speaking amongst itself. obviously, there were a lot of posts from when I first posted to when I came back, but when I was around as the day began I still felt that most of that group were not very interested in what I thought about anything or in engaging with me

my impression when I skimmed through until like p11 was that this group has mostly been talking with itself as a preference over the other slots in the game, particularly the quieter ones

I like the numbers to reply here. I'm not intentionally excluding anyone from conversation.

because I feel incredibly disengaged from the game, I'm not having fun, and I hope having a partner might help with that

Note that you don't get a pt until the end of the dance phase (after somebody is left out)

Who do you think we should leave out? Who are some of your preferences for the dance, other than me?

[Gentleman 5]

because I feel incredibly disengaged from the game, I'm not having fun, and I hope having a partner might help with that

Alright, you seem to have missed that I've already been paired up. I think making a fake proposal here would be cruel of me. Gent 1 is also paired up.

[Gentleman 5]

Pairs

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8
Gentleman 1 - Lady 7

[Gentleman 5]

I ask Lady 6 to the dance.

Definitely the cutest, most honorable and townie looking lady.

I'm gonna start playing from this point on and not read back btw

What made you choose Lady 6? She wasn't posting at the same time as you when you invited her.

[Gentleman 5]

And L4, why G2? He's barely done anything.

Exactly. Other gentlemen have been better.

Quantity is not synonym to alignment. Quality is what matters.

You haven't done anything I'd describe as "quality"

Your posting has barely been related to the game at hand

Main thing I'm wondering about it, does scum Gent 2 feel the need to randomly go after Gent 4? My first impression is it's like just some gut read he had. But I'll need him to explain more of course

It wouldn't be random, remember that one gentleman must be left out at the end of the current phase

I suppose I should post my thoughts more intermittently as I'm catching up rather than simply dumping them all at once. I've set up a few of my own word replacement nicknames, so apologies if a nickname I use isn't the consensus nickname.


Gentleman 4 (Tennis / Soccer)'s intro struck me as fairly awkward and scummy, but later on I felt that his posting improved. Specifically, his introduction talking about his internet and lack of any gut reads felt like a forced attempt to fit in, but later his point in 144 I thought was a fairly decent observation.

Gentleman 1 (Sans)'s read in 131 was a minor one but one that I feel reflected well on him for making the read in the first place. As I said, minor, but the rest of his posts so far give me no reason to doubt a town lean on him.

Other assorted townreads on Lady 7, Lady 3, and Lady 6 (Seal).


Lady 8's 197 struck me as a scumpost like few posts ever tend to do. Along with 168 which I find tonally scummy, she's likely my top suspect for scum so far.

I'm somewhat surprised to see people townreading both Lady 1 and Lady 8, much less call one of them "by a good margin the towniest Lady in the game". I can't say I agree.

Given my read on Lady 8 it pained me slightly to see Gentleman 5's introduction, but I think that he might lean closer to town than scum for me despite his partner and immediate pairing.

I think her posting looks better in places beyond that point. But yes there's room for suspicion, I don't regret my choice though

[Gentleman 5]

I think it's productive to discuss which of the gentlemen we want to leave behind at this point. I liked Sherlock 3s entrance and I've been town reading teenisg4. Gorilla boy g7 is my least town gentleman read at the moment.

My take: Gentleman 7 has a good chance of being abrasive town, because the way they're acting isn't conductive to getting a dance partner and perhaps his team would be telling him to do otherwise

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 7, you should ask someone else to dance, I don't plan on accepting your invitation

No thanks. I'd rather die than invite anyone else but you.

I don't believe this level of commitment makes sense with your current engagement with the game

Gent 4, gent 5 and gent 9. At least one of them should be a hit unless we have three furies ladies.

You think I am mafia because I paired early and other people townread me?

This is a very surface level read

I see you've all been having plenty of fun without me on the dance floor.

I'll be catching soon, and I'm pulling out a handstand this time, so you better prepare yourselves.

THIS READS LIKE A SANS POST.
NOT LIKE THIS.

Yeah losing your dance partner to a replacement sucks

Why does the suicide mechanic tend to hurt more than it helps?

Because scum players don't leave, so it's more likely that a pair that leaves has two town in it

[Gentleman 5]

Ah, I see Lady 8 is going through the gauntlet as well

[Gentleman 5]

I know L1.Cry actively wants my pair dead. But I actually think she is most likely town here, as someone who gets pushed in pretty much every game of mafia I ever play.
I just think that this push is a lot more likely to be confused town then it is to come from scum.

Their is a level of distance and dedication to it that I think is pretty townie.
It isn't like the sole thing she is focusing on but she is also hard tunneling me without reconsideration that I kind of "like" as much as you can like someone that wants you dead.

Is L1.cry being town even a hot take?
Because I know no one is offering them.

But I really do like them for town right now.

I think Cry 1 is town

Who should they be paired with?

[Gentleman 5]

From what I know of the suicide mechanic in this game, it tends to hurt town far more than it helps it.

Have previously won this game by doing explicitly this.

Past results aren't always indicative of future performance. That being said, I don't feel incredibly strongly one way or the other, to be honest.

Sure. What would you like to talk about?

If you’ve gone into depth or substantiated your SR there more fully could you link me to it/quote it? If not, could you run through it for me? My impression of the new G6 has been pretty consistently town and I don’t want him eliminated

Sure, let me clarify the nature of my read there: I currently think Gentleman 6 is the best choice to be left out not because of material that he

has

posted that I find scum-indicative, but because—compared to the other unpaired Gentleman in the game—I have the

least

amount of reason to townread him. (Some may take a lack of town-indicative material as itself something that is scum-indicative, but that's really more of a philosophical debate).

Lady 6 had a minor reason to townread Gentleman 2, and his proposal to have some Ladies voluntarily refuse pairings to have more flips (which would presumably include himself being left out) I see as a minor reason to townread him. Gentleman 7's brash attitude seems on the surface to be unconcerned with survival, which I consider to be town-indicative.

When it comes to Gentleman 6, I just don't see reason to townread him. He's been around, but so far I feel he hasn't given many thoughts which have struck me very much. There was his point about how he thought his predecessor's replacement was towny, but I don't feel as though anything came from that; if he came to conclusions based off of people's reactions there, I haven't seen them. He's been chatting a bit with people, but I haven't seen anything that strikes me as incredibly in-depth or only likely to come from town.

I agree with you. Gent 7 doesn't look like mafia to me, Gent 2 I'm not sure on.

heh

i honestly don't understand why anyone thinks lady 6 is town. tbh she's the most likely to be scum among the ladies, from what ive read

if i had to choose someone currently unpaired to leave out, it'd probably be gentleman 4. need to think about this a bit

I'm paranoid about her as well, again

I'm liking Gent 3

[Gentleman 5]

That's not to say that it's not entirely relevant to alignments. For instance, it semed likely to me reading through that both Gentleman 9 and Gentleman 5's proposals to their prospective partners were because they recognized (or thought that they recognized) who the Ladies were. What exactly that information means I've yet to come to any conclusion on, but at least the premise seems likely to me at the moment.

I have no idea who Ghosty 8 is under the mask.

[Gentleman 5]

i honestly don't understand why anyone thinks lady 6 is town. tbh she's the most likely to be scum among the ladies, from what ive read

(◡﹏◡✿)

But why tho?

She feels manipulative to me, it's hard to describe.

I think we are falling into a trap of only thinking the low effort player slots are scum

[Gentleman 5]

How much of the game have you read?

[Gentleman 5]

Also how would Lady 7 be mechanically hurting herself? I don't get what you're referring to

[Gentleman 5]

You just chose me totally off of this game?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! woah!!

Yeah

who I know you to be,

Interesting, we'll see if you're right in the post-game. I think there's a decent chance you're wrong, but wouldn't be surprised if you were right.

I'm unsure if Lady 8 has an idea of who I am, or thinks she has an idea

[Gentleman 5]

I'm on page 3 but I expect to be caught up in the next 24h

What is post 1093 referring to?

[Gentleman 5]

it's a meme from page 3
I felt my participation was critical but I found out after posting that lillith already participated so the Lady 3 account is already Blessed

Your participation is not

critical

; you're already paired up

[Gentleman 5]

it's a meme from page 3

Oh.

[Gentleman 5]

Oh, this is nice and concise. I don't think G7 should be up a tier, but this is generally pretty good. I could see having G2 at the very bottom instead of G7, but I think I prefer G7 at the moment.

The ladies are way harder for me. I'm starting to foster a paranoia of L6 (boo, ik). I like L1 L5 L4 the most prolly too. I can see scum somewhere below them.

I had thoughts similar to most of this

Differences are that I don't have G2 quite at the bottom, and L4 not quite at the top

Seal lady 6, did you not want to accept gorilla boy g7 invitation because you thought he was scummy and needs to leave this predance? Or did you not like the way he proposed to you flippantly

This is a good question

[Gentleman 5]

Skyrim g5, why did you think that getting along with ghostly lady 8 was important? Again, is it purely for selfish reasons?

Did I ever say that?

[Gentleman 5]

This is also my personal preference; the avatar interested me and then the posting seems like someone I could get along with

OK. I never said it was

important

, I said that it's a reason that I chose Ghosty 8

[Gentleman 5]

I was replying to Lady 7, who was saying that scum would want to pair with Ghosty 8

[Gentleman 5]

if so then why are you proposing less than a day into the game rather than a bit more until your reads solidify?

Selfish reasons mostly, as the game goes on I'm less likely to be a part of a pairing I'll enjoy

Here's you saying it's for selfish reasons

No... I'm talking about something else there; you asked me why I was proposing so early. I never implied it was important to the game as a whole that I get into a pair I enjoy, it's important to me individually though

[Gentleman 5]

No I'm not saying you have a narrative

Your play makes sense but it's a way I'd expect scum to play

i.e. safe and slow and getting townread

[Gentleman 5]

well also re:lady 6, she's just one of the few ladies who hasn't engaged with me at all (up until now) - has only talked about me in passing

Well... it's the same for me. Is there a reason every lady needs to talk about you? Do you think mafia do not want to pair with you?

[Gentleman 5]

Well the IC should never walk out of the dance before intermission

[Gentleman 5]

G5 Skyrim man you haven't answered me, other than selfish motives, is there a benefit to partnering with someone you get along

Like a mechanical benefit? No, but I'll find it easier to read Lady 8.

As I said, when I mentioned that I would get along with 8, that was me trying to defend myself against Lady 7's accusations, it wasn't the reasoning I led with when proposing the pairing

Like today we seem to be having the same thoughts on things pretty consistently

[Gentleman 5]

Can someone remind me who started spreading paranoia on L8ghost scum

Are you talking about me yesterday?

Today it was Gent 3

[Gentleman 5]

G5 Skyrim man you haven't answered me, other than selfish motives, is there a benefit to partnering with someone you get along

Like a mechanical benefit? No, but I'll find it easier to read Lady 8.

As I said, when I mentioned that I would get along with 8, that was me trying to defend myself against Lady 7's accusations, it wasn't the reasoning I led with when proposing the pairing

Like today we seem to be having the same thoughts on things pretty consistently

What is it that makes you feel like you can solve me so well? Your proposal mentioned that using a sample of my postings, you figured you could solve me if we were to dance together. Which incorrectly somewhat led me to believe you had an idea of who I was.

Or don't answer that actually. That might actually ruin the whole point of solving me if you say it.

Because I feel like I'd work best with you out of all the ladies, and so I feel that I'd produce one of the most confident reads I can, or at least a read I feel good about.

Today in your catch up you were saying the same things as I was thinking/saying today to the extent that at the time I suspected that she was looking at my catch up and parroting me in an attempt to buddy.

I'm pretty sure that is not the case now

[Gentleman 5]

If there is a scum scum pairing I highly suspect it is G3 and L6

What about G4/L2?

Disclaimer: I feel like I'm probably being unfair to these two, but I just haven't really gotten a townread on either from reading through.

Weren't there a lot of people townreading Gent 4? Including Lady 7

[Gentleman 5]

ok then...

Lady 2, may I have this dance?

Why did you ask Lady 2?

[Gentleman 5]

It was slow for a bit for me

[Gentleman 5]

Glad the thread isn't blowing up too much further.

It will in 7-8 hours

[Gentleman 5]

Like... when I sift into it it seems like he had strategically irrelevant reasons for wanting to dance with her and came up with an explanation afterwards to rationalize it and overall it was probably bad play.

but 8/8 times town!G5.boromir kind of ignores that some other lady would be a better pick and fools himself into the idea.

I'm not sure how to react to this other than to say I'm not a bumbling idiot

[Gentleman 5]

• 1. Gentleman 2
     
  2. Gentleman 4
     
  3. Gentleman 6
     
  4. Gentleman 7
     
  5. Gentleman 8
  1. Lady 1
     
  2. Lady 2
     
  3. Lady 4
     
  4. Lady 5

Our current unpaired folks.
Gentleman 4 has proposed to Lady 2, and she has shown an interest in accepting
Gentleman 8 is the ic

If lady 2 accepts, we're left with an elimination among the following players:

• 1. Gentleman 2
     
  2. Gentleman 6
     
  3. Gentleman 7

[Gentleman 5]

I'm townreading both you and Gent 9.

I'm not hopeful for there being scum within Gent 2 and Gent 7.

Since Lady 5 thinks Gent 6 is town, it makes sense for her to want Lady 2 to not pair up in this situation

[Gentleman 5]

That was a towny post from Gent 3

[Gentleman 5]

but I think g9.bananas is kind of scummy,

Do you want to talk about this?

And who should we exclude from the unpaired gentleman?
2, 4, 6, 7

[Gentleman 5]

Most of the time, playing into being antisurvivalist doesn't work out in this type of setup, and I doubt he was aiming at appealing to, say, me

Why do you think G4 Tennis is considerably more likely to be scum?

[Gentleman 5]

• 1. Gentleman 2
     
  2. Gentleman 4
     
  3. Gentleman 6
     
  4. Gentleman 7
     
  5. Gentleman 8
  1. Lady 1
     
  2. Lady 2
     
  3. Lady 4
     
  4. Lady 5

Our current unpaired folks.
Gentleman 4 has proposed to Lady 2, and she has shown an interest in accepting
Gentleman 8 is the ic

If lady 2 accepts, we're left with an elimination among the following players:

• 1. Gentleman 2
     
  2. Gentleman 6
     
  3. Gentleman 7

Lady 2, what do you think of this? Who is the best elimination? Does you accepting Gent 4 make sense?

[Gentleman 5]

Perhaps my number counterpart is scum.

[Gentleman 5]

Lady 1, Lady 3, Lady 5, Lady 7, Lady 8
Gent 3, Gent 9

Lady 2, Lady 6
Gent 1, Gent 7

Lady 4
Gent 2, Gent 4, Gent 6

This is how I'm feeling right now

[Gentleman 5]

Green, and so am I

[Gentleman 5]

I don't agree, but maybe you should dance with her

[Gentleman 5]

on second thought, after skimming through, not as town as i remember

still seems townish

If lady 3/gent 9 are a town-town pair then I think her pushing there looks bad

I have her that low because she's the lady I feel the worst about

[Gentleman 5]

I think salad's dressing needs more layers, yeah

[Gentleman 5]

I don't remember players saying Salad was town, I remember a lot of null reads

[Gentleman 5]

Do you disagree with any of my townreads? The top portion

[Gentleman 5]

G5.boromir why choose the IC to jam with

I talk to whoever is online

And I don't think Gent 8's opinion is irrelevant, and I'm trying to figure out my own reads as well by talking to him

[Gentleman 5]

i would hesitate to call certain people in that group town

i don't have strong feelings about them being scum

it's not so important now though since theyre all paired now? i forget. fakegod's a lazy mod and hasn't updated stuff and i'm a lazy player who can't be bothered finding the proposals/acceptances

• 1. Gentleman 2
     
     
  2. Gentleman 4
     
     
  3. Gentleman 6
     
     
  4. Gentleman 7
     
     
  5. Gentleman 8
  1. Lady 1
     
     
  2. Lady 2
     
     
  3. Lady 4
     
     
  4. Lady 5

Our current unpaired folks.
Gentleman 4 has proposed to Lady 2, and she has shown an interest in accepting
Gentleman 8 is the ic

If lady 2 accepts, we're left with an elimination among the following players:

• 1. Gentleman 2
     
     
  2. Gentleman 6
     
     
  3. Gentleman 7

[Gentleman 5]

It seems to be what our companions here wish. I am ready to find out why.

Who wished for this pairing?

[Gentleman 5]

Can you explain in a sentence what seems scum motivated about my posts?

It seems like active-posting to get TRs from people not paying attention.

I can also safely say I like the Caveman/Ghost pairing. Cave guys posts continue to give the good feels.

Should I townread this post, assuming Ghosty is town?

[Gentleman 5]

I would like all the Gentleman to say they want to dance with me even if it's a lie.
pedit: Both of you seem very competent and a lot more serious than the rest of the thread and that kind of style always makes me think deepwolf. More a me thing than either of you but I'd probably vote you guys at one point if I ran out of wolf reads. Assuming I am not left to die in the first dance

There's more gentleman than ladies and the pairing strategy chats l7.blue speculated about would make cry realize this so it's a townslip or fake townslip (low difficulty fake townslip to be fair)

No, she's talking about first dance, not pre-dance. That's the first 2 pair eliminations before intermission; she knew what she was talking about.

I haven't accepted G4 yet, but I feel like I've waited long enough for anyone who wanted to voice an objection.

Gentleman 4, I graciously accept your offer to dance.

Well, I asked you what you thought of the remaining pairs. I was hoping you'd be able to explain your decision to leave Gent 2 or Gent 7 out of the dance since you're narrowing things down by choosing Gent 4.

[Gentleman 5]

Lady 1, Lady 3, Lady 5, Lady 7, Lady 8
Gent 3, Gent 9

Lady 2, Lady 6
Gent 1, Gent 7

Lady 4
Gent 2, Gent 4, Gent 6

This is how I'm feeling right now

I think I'm at Lady 5>7=1>3 for the top of my townreads. Huh, I guess there are a lot of towny ladies compared to Gents. Cause I don't really dislike any of Lady 2, 6, and 4 really. I think probably Lady 4 or Lady 6 would be the most likely candidates for scum, but even then..

I think I'd have Gent 9 lower. I want to soulread Gent 1 upwards but I can't really elaborate on that much. I think out of the bottom of the Gents I like Gent 6 the most but I give him some room to be fooling me so he's in the middle.

Yeah, I'm rethinking Lady 4 and don't really scumread any of the ladies. I like your thoughts on this

[Gentleman 5]

[Gentleman 5]

I agree with the thinking that Gent 7's stunt here makes him look more suspicious, not less

G7, why do you think letting G2 pair with L4 instead of you is better than letting yourself pair with L4?

Real answer? I invest a lot of time and effort into a game, and I don't trust L4 to keep us alive long enough for me to have an impact on the outcome even if she's town.

I kind of liked this answer

Their reads in 1401-1402... it's awkward because I don't know how mafia are going to treat me this game. The few dissenting voices that questioned me seemed like it came from town, though, from Gent 9. Uncertain on Gent 2 because as said, his read feels more shallow.

[Gentleman 5]

Individual makes more sense to me

[Gentleman 5]

there once was a gentleman named 4
whose posts i do abhor
i see not a single good stance
but he still gets to dance?
i currently wish to make him no more

This is great

[Gentleman 5]

Could be scum: G1, G2, G3, G6, L1, L5, L8
Will be focusing mostly in this pool.

Why?

[Gentleman 5]

Why is that your list of could be scums

[Gentleman 5]

Me being tin foiled is probably the most magical part of this game to me.
Never change mafia, never change.

I'm still pretty sure you're town

[Gentleman 5]

I like the pairs in this order

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 8 - Lady 5
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8

Gentleman 4 - Lady 2
Gentleman 6 - Lady 1

Gentleman 3 - Lady 6* typo in fgs title post
Gentleman 1 - Lady 7

When did your read on me change?

I am still pretty sure you are town!
Ghost girl kinda fell off the grid after getting a strong pairing which is exactly how i expect scum to react.

But I guess I'll see during dance 1.

You think so? I think Ghosty 8 has had pretty good posts.

G9.bananas is more important to figure out than me but I get twice the airtime
Maybe I post too much though

Please do not fall victim to sudden dance leave syndrome

[Gentleman 5]

If I am going down this phase, G7/L4 should be our winning pair.

Also this is a hot take

But no, I don't agree with this. I don't feel good enough about either of them to stake the game on them

I was trying to ask who you disagreed with.
G1: Pretty sure my read of him playing the game differently is wrong because he was doing it as a gimmick.
G2: Don't townread his mostly one liner posting calling people town/scum.
G3: Heavy analysis based, but there's nothing scum couldn't fake in his iso.
G6: Once again, nothing a experienced scum player can't fake but with less overall gamesolving than G3

L1: Can't read her right now.
L5: Not sure why I should townread her.
L8: Some of the posts feel a little fake to me. I dunno about her being obv town.

Maybe lots of criteria that I'm using here fits for my townreads, but my townreads also have the benefit of my gut. If these are just blatantly bad, I'll reconsider though.

OK. Your reads on the ladies are pretty bland/it's more like you don't have a good read there rather than a scumread. I think G3 is pretty towny, I don't think the "he wrote his posts before entering the game" theory is a real good one

[Gentleman 5]

So what is your read on Gent 9, why do you have them as scum

[Gentleman 5]

That's at Lady 7

[Gentleman 5]

What are your reads?

[Gentleman 5]

I'm not ready to decide on endgame pairs at this point in time. I think we should play through the game normally

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 8 - Lady 5
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8

At the moment this is where I am, with gent 1/lady 7 in consideration depending on how gent 1 feels

But I'm not ready to advance to the end right now

[Gentleman 5]

So what is your read on Gent 9, why do you have them as scum

I have held the belief the entrance comes from scum since the start of the game.
They have done nothing to make me reconsider this throughout the entire course of this game.

I don't think them in particular chiming in on my pairing being scum is town in the way L1 holds that belief.
They don't seem scared of the way I am controlling the thread or anything, they just scum read my pair and aren't doing anything about it.
It's just weird really, I couldn't tell you why he feels that way which is a huge problem to me.

How do you think mafia treat my pair if Ghosty 8 is town?

Vs how Gent 9 treated my pair

and vs his revised opinion on me (which may have something to do with how I was treating his pair?)

[Gentleman 5]

What are your reads?

At this point, I am trying to sort by pairs, and not solos. I'm working on a formalized reads list and then intend to denote which half of a pair I like better/worse... even though mechanically at this point it doesn't matter!

Since my last townreads list:

Guy 3 is town. (I suspect I both know who he is, and don't know who is is at the same time and it vexes me)
Guy 2 is town. (Is nobody going to address that he's playing so carefree he didn't even notice I'm not the player who was having issues, even though I explicitly made it a part of my opening moves)
Lady 5 is town. (Do I really need to explain this one?)

I have decided to add Lady 1 (tenative on PT sort), Lady 7 (Mostly for her early scumread of my slot's replaceout in post 336, amusingly enough), and Gentleman 1.

Most of those are from re-reading the part of the game that happened before I replaced in.

That gives me a town block that looks something like this (Assuming we see G2-L4):

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8

Gentleman 1

-

Lady 7

Gentleman 8

-

Lady 5

Gentleman 3

-

Lady 3

Gentleman 6

-

Lady 1

Gentleman 4 - Lady 2

Gentleman 2

-

Lady 4

Essentially, I don't think that "proper" scumhunting is all that productive right now. I'd rather just find three town-town pairs and mass-hemlock the rest. (And I am mostly including myself in the hemlocking, not the three)

OK. I'm scratching my head at you being unable to townread either of me or Ghosty 8, or Gent 9 and Lady 3

[Gentleman 5]

What made you add Gentleman 1?

[Gentleman 5]

I townread you but not L8.haunter, how does that make you feel boromir

I think that is fair. At this point in time I townread Ghosty 8, I'll continue to evaluate as we get flips. I want to work through a better read on your gent partner, 9

[Gentleman 5]

This game is challenging, there are a lot of people who feel like town

[Gentleman 5]

I am suspicious of the way Gent 9's read on me developed

I'm not sure how strongly they believed in their push in the first place

How do you think mafia treat my pair if Ghosty 8 is town?

Vs how Gent 9 treated my pair

and vs his revised opinion on me (which may have something to do with how I was treating his pair?)

Can I have a hint? I am not really sure how to answer this.

Maybe I am having trouble because I don't have a flip to work with. I think in general as scum trying to distance you want to target the town player. It acts as you pushing on your buddy but since you are pushing on an uninformed individual it doubles as natural interactions. Although this sequence is incredibly predictable so I am not sure how it would work in practice.

This game is nightless so scum pushing or choosing to not push is very up in the air and depends entirely on the individual player.

Gent 9 and Gent 2 were both pushing on me, and I don't remember anyone else doing so. A few people have been neutral but not a real push on me.

Up until recently, there hasn't been much talk of Ghosty 8 either.

When I'm looking at people I suspect to be mafia, I see them as thinking both me and Ghosty 8 are town

[Gentleman 5]

This game is challenging, there are a lot of people who feel like town

Eventually we have to bite the bullet and say who can be faking what they are doing.
Unfortunately that's the only way to win these kind of games even if it hurts to be wrong when someone is playing reasonably townie.

I found the faker

How do we determine who is and isn't a strong player in a game full of secret alts?

i am faker irl

ba dum tish

Why do you think it is Lady 7?

[Gentleman 5]

Even so, haven't you been expressing that you've thought it was Lady 7 for a while now?

[Gentleman 5]

Food for thought: How much are you willing to trust someone else's read on their own partner?

That is something I am considering. At the same time, I trust my own read on my partner, which is hypocritical.

Even so, haven't you been expressing that you've thought it was Lady 7 for a while now?

That's my heartsong not my headsong and that's just for my pick among the players who are maybe fooling

me

not the whole game, the kind of player I think is doing the "right" things to fool the game at large is g4.tennis but he isn't even way popular anymore which hopefully means I was right.
I usually want to trust my headsong. It stuck with me a bunch when l2rosa said that if I townread a bunch of things from a player they're probably town and that's a characteristic of L7. Like, in reality, you actually don't usually hard townread a large number of things from highly proficient scum players. They just somehow convince you you want to be doing something else with your life besides vote them.

But it's all moot because G1.sans is scummier than rand imo. Weird setup is weird.

I took a look at Gent 4, I can't get myself worked up into a scumread there

[Gentleman 5]

Our marriage is going to be incredibly dysfunctional and kinky, Lady the 1st.

...Kinda hot.

Chill out, you're just dancing with her

[Gentleman 5]

I've been sitting in the thread in hopes of finding someone I can bounce ideas off of as that's my prefered style of play.

I'm here

[Gentleman 5]

I'm so outclassed by all the players, maybe even by Lady1

I've enjoyed your contributions

[Gentleman 5]

I've been sitting in the thread in hopes of finding someone I can bounce ideas off of as that's my prefered style of play.

I'm here

It's a bit late and I would love to do this later.
Generally, I am just in the patch of trying to sort my null pile.

What made you go from questioning L8.Ghost and trying to pair up with her to sort her.
To have her as a pretty solid town read, assuming that's your current read.

She fell off the grid so I am not sure what changed unless you took old information and reanalyzed it.

I agree with almost everything she is saying, to the point where I'd be making the same points (or have/do later)
That makes it very hard for me to see her as scum. I've been liking all of her recent posting.

You're probably paranoid of me because you think I'd be defending my dance partner as scum here.

As of right now, If I had to draw a hard line for my top 3 townreads, it's You, Lady 8, and Lady 3 - that is the level of confidence I am at currently. I'm still keeping her in consideration - that's my duty to do so, and I don't think she'd appreciate if I didn't put in effort to solve her

[Gentleman 5]

ngl when I started this I just wanted to goof off until I got a partner and then be really townie in my pt and watch as wolves try to ML my slot but then I got bored. Anyone else try that before?

More like watch as town try to miseliminate your slot, in that case

[Gentleman 5]

That feels like such a reach.

But a stupid reach to try and make an entire point/argument out of. Ugh...maybe I won't instantly vote Lady 7 and Gent 1.

Who else are you considering voting?

[Gentleman 5]

If G5 wants me to town read his partner, then I guess I will.
I have to start this game somewhere.

I am going to head off to bed, I wish you all luck o7

Well I'd also like for you to tell me if you think I'm wrong

The Original premise was to bounce ideas off of me... fine with you trusting me on Ghosty 8 right now though

[Gentleman 5]

I'm saying whatever comes to my mind, and I was asking Gent 6 about his reads because he was apparently feeling alienated

[Gentleman 5]

This game is challenging, there are a lot of people who feel like town

Ehhh I don't have this vibe there are lots of people middling who are decent scumspects
I get your "posting on your kind" shtick but I also always question the motivation of these kinds of posts

Who are the people who are middling and scumspects, in your opinion?
What is the potential anti-town motivation for that post that you've alluded to?

[Gentleman 5]

L2, L3, G2, G4, G6, G7, G9
As for the latter it sows discontent

I'm not at all convinced that we've narrowed down the scum yet

Why do you suspect both Gent 9 and Lady 3?

[Gentleman 5]

G9 doesn't have any posts that make me think he couldn't be aligned with G7.
I am not sure why his read on me adjusted from "hardest scum pair" to "This analysis is garbage" which to me feels like he is insinuating I am town?

I am going to reread his ISO and tell you what conclusions I come to.

I also want to know why his read on me/my pairing changed, which I've been wanting an answer to

@Gent 9

Or lady 3, if you could ask him, that's fine too

[Gentleman 5]

I think it's productive to discuss which of the gentlemen we want to leave behind at this point. I liked Sherlock 3s entrance and I've been town reading teenisg4. Gorilla boy g7 is my least town gentleman read at the moment.

G9 where did this read go and why was it never brought up again?

I like the pairs in this order

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 8 - Lady 5
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8

Gentleman 4 - Lady 2
Gentleman 6 - Lady 1

Gentleman 3 - Lady 6* typo in fgs title post
Gentleman 1 - Lady 7

He doesn't have gent 2, gent 7, or lady 4 listed here

[Gentleman 5]

this "progression" is also 400 posts apart

Again, you had no reason to change the read.
I scouted your entire ISO, those 3 posts are your only mentions of the flipped wolf player.

And your read on him lines up with exactly how I expect wolves to treat their partner.


But you are just talking around me saying I am misrepresenting you.
It's actually crazy.

Sorry I appologise because apparently wolf player didn't post that much therefore I don't talk abt him that much

and give evidence on when gorilla was ever trying, in fact, I suggested a pair up with G2 precisely because he isn't trying and that might be just a phrase, which is what I think you said as well.

I'm scumreading this

Saying he didn't post much so you didn't respond much seems like an excuse

In reality you're just not responding to certain things

[Gentleman 5]

I’m really null on both L8 and G5, like individually and as a pair, and I’d like to speak to you both more during this phase

I'm available

[Gentleman 5]

G1.Nagito I made you a pokedex to summarize the game

Spoiler:

How am I UTR?

[Gentleman 5]

I read it as Under the Radar, which I don't think is fair at all to say about me. I also don't think I'm being generally scumread?

[Gentleman 5]

i would hesitate to call certain people in that group town

i don't have strong feelings about them being scum

it's not so important now though since theyre all paired now? i forget. fakegod's a lazy mod and hasn't updated stuff and i'm a lazy player who can't be bothered finding the proposals/acceptances

• 1. Gentleman 2
     
     
  2. Gentleman 4
     
     
  3. Gentleman 6
     
     
  4. Gentleman 7
     
     
  5. Gentleman 8
  1. Lady 1
     
     
  2. Lady 2
     
     
  3. Lady 4
     
     
  4. Lady 5

Our current unpaired folks.
Gentleman 4 has proposed to Lady 2, and she has shown an interest in accepting
Gentleman 8 is the ic

If lady 2 accepts, we're left with an elimination among the following players:

• 1. Gentleman 2
     
     
  2. Gentleman 6
     
     
  3. Gentleman 7

I haven't accepted G4 yet, but I feel like I've waited long enough for anyone who wanted to voice an objection.

Gentleman 4, I graciously accept your offer to dance.

I was just posting about that, Gent 8. At this point in time, Gent 7 is still unpaired and Lady 2 pairs with Gent 4.

I'm not sure how to feel about this. I don't think Lady 2 wants to pair with Gent 7, I felt like Lady 2, even though she gave time, didn't really consider what I and others had to say and went ahead with her pairing anyway

[Gentleman 5]

• 1. Gentleman 2
     
  2. Gentleman 4
     
  3. Gentleman 6
     
  4. Gentleman 7
     
  5. Gentleman 8
  1. Lady 1
     
  2. Lady 2
     
  3. Lady 4
     
  4. Lady 5

Our current unpaired folks.
Gentleman 4 has proposed to Lady 2, and she has shown an interest in accepting
Gentleman 8 is the ic

If lady 2 accepts, we're left with an elimination among the following players:

• 1. Gentleman 2
     
  2. Gentleman 6
     
  3. Gentleman 7

Lady 2, what do you think of this? Who is the best elimination? Does you accepting Gent 4 make sense?

I haven't accepted G4 yet, but I feel like I've waited long enough for anyone who wanted to voice an objection.

Gentleman 4, I graciously accept your offer to dance.

Well, I asked you what you thought of the remaining pairs. I was hoping you'd be able to explain your decision to leave Gent 2 or Gent 7 out of the dance since you're narrowing things down by choosing Gent 4.

I feel like I've waited long enough for anyone who wanted to voice an objection.

i... i did?

I feel like I've waited long enough for anyone who wanted to voice an objection.

i... i did?

You did?

After looking through your ISO I do see one comment about G4 being your preferred strand, sorry about that, but if you wanted me to hold off you should have just said "L2, please hold off for now."

I still think it was right though because G4 seems like someone I'll be able to read pretty confidently with enough time.

I don't think Lady 2 ever responded to me

Not to 1212 where I ask who the best elimination is, nor to 1483 after. They say they waited long enough for anyone to voice 'an objection'. Yet they didn't really look into it, is my guess. Or they didn't care. There were at least 2 people to respond to before going through with it, Gent 8 and me.

I think this is suspicious, because Lady 2 does not want to end up with Gent 7 (because they will both end up dead, very likely), yet still potentially wants Gent 7 to pair with somebody else, so she needs to pair up at that moment, while trying not to look too hasty by "giving people time to object".

VOTE: Gent 4/Lady 2

[Gentleman 5]

Not an objection but you still should have thought about who you wanted to leave, but you never engaged with that point.

[Gentleman 5]

well G7 flipped mafia, kinda would be a point for L2?

Why would that be a point for L2?

[Gentleman 5]

Wtf Gent 7 was a vampire who did that gimmic all game? I'm like, disappointed and surprised at the same time

This refers to the insistence on pairing with L6 right

How is that a not-scum gimmick? Like, wut *visible confusion*

I apologize for thinking G7 would put in effort into the game and not be useless as scum.

Clearly I should be executed for such assumptions

That’s probably a smaller portion of the “damage control” portion of your ISO

Also can someone answer my question about whether callbacks to the last anonymous dance are common?

I have nothing to damage control. Did I think Gent 7 was town? Yeah and I knew when I saw the flip I was gonna get pushed but that doesn't mean my points are false.

No one was gonna go to end game with Gent 7 he wasn't trying. So in my mind scum are more likely going to bus him then defend him. If you think that's false than prove me wrong. But you just saying I look bad because I defended the not trying scum isn't really a point.

I'd like to talk with you sometime. What do you think is likely right now? Who should we be aiming for, null/null pairs, or townread/scumread pairs?

[Gentleman 5]

Did you not want g4 to leave, or did you want to dance with g4?

[Gentleman 5]

I objected!

You didn't really suggest an alternative though :X and you seemed to be okay with it with your posts just now.

Anyway one of the main reasons I was holding out was if the IC decided he wanted to pair with me and/or direct my pairing. At this point I wouldn't have wanted to pair with G2 or G7 anyway.

L2, who are your scum reads? If you have any

I don't, but I wouldn't shed any tears over losing any of G2/G6/G7.

Hmm...

I have Gent 4 as hard null, so your pair makes the most sense to get rid of at this point in time.

What do you think?

[Gentleman 5]

well G7 flipped mafia, kinda would be a point for L2?

Why would that be a point for L2?

why would scum just leave their partner out to dry just like that? It seems rather foolish, do you think the mafia would have been hurt more by them pairing than losing a number immediately?

The choice wasn't between Lady 2 pairing and Gent 7 dying. Gent 7 still had a few more chances at getting a partner.
A pairing with Gent 7 in it in which somebody else dies and is town is very unlikely to reach end game. Which is a very not good thing if two anti-town players are paired together

[Gentleman 5]

[G9, G5,]
[G3 G6]
[G4 G7]
[G1, G2]

[L4 L5]
[L6 L8 L3]
[L2, L7]

Do you still feel this way about Gent 9?

[Gentleman 5]

okay I got mixed up since both 2s paired with both 4s

ok, I see what you're saying.

I do think that there is a lot of risk for Lady 4 to choose Gent 7 if they are both scum; that pairing almost certainly dies at some point, while the current pairing has much better chances of making it through. I'm not calling Lady 4 scum, I'm just explaining why she would do that if she were scum

[Gentleman 5]

t b h if i were a scum lady (and i swear i'm not but i can understand if people don't trust me), i would have been worried about how long i'd have survived with gentleman 7 as my partner, so i wouldn't give anyone any real points for not partnering with him

partnering with him would have been like trying to patch the holes in the titanic with some sticky tape. might have just barely slowed down the sinking of the ship, maybe? probably not

Yes

I don't think Gent 7 was saveable by scum pairing with him

Scum were hoping he'd manage to pair with town.

[Gentleman 5]

Gent 7 was kinda in give-up mode towards the end of the predance.

I think he was in AtE and Lamist mode and hoping we fell for it and gave him the dance, but it ended up backfiring and many people thought he was more suspicious, not less, when he started doing that.

I think we can read into that part. He pulled that and then a few people immediately called him out on it

[Gentleman 5]

Spoiler: Reactions

The important thing is to identify the winning town-town pair.

Who do you think that is?

I think they both could be town, but I feel stronger about G2.

Which slot do you think would be easier for you to sort, Lady 4?

Errrrppfj
G7 I think

You can take G2 over me. The important thing is to identify the winning town-town pair. My survival isn't necessary.

This reeks town but also scum knows that saying this reeks town

G5 L8 is town-town

L5 I can see as town.

Why do you scumread me L6?

I uh, don't?

I thought #1398 was pretty LAMIST but I don't have any explicit scum read on you

I just find more reason for G2 to be town than you

G7, why do you think letting G2 pair with L4 instead of you is better than letting yourself pair with L4?

G7, why do you think letting G2 pair with L4 instead of you is better than letting yourself pair with L4?

I'll be honest I want him to die for that.

I don't trust L4 to keep us alive long enough for me to have an impact on the outcome even if she's town.

L4, how do you feel about this?

Just choose. I will respect your decision either way.

Don’t rush things. Gentleman 2 hasn’t even spoken yet.

is this ate

is this ate

I don't think so because it seems to be legit what he is thinking.
Idk though...

reachy maybe but
If G7.bandana was anticipating expressing disinterest in pre-dance and leaving pre-dance, how likely would he be to go to the trouble of modifying his avatar.
Maybe he was anticipating LAMISTing into dance 1 instead?

Wait no, how did I express that so badly

I mean I want G2 to stay, and G7 to leave

Sorry

G7's current thoughts don't feel consistent with his earlier play.
If the game was as simple as a single town town pair he wouldn't deem predance worthless as that would be the only phase that actually matters.

I want him dead.

[Gentleman 5]

Of those, I like gent 9's response the least. It was a soft reaction and came after Lady 7's very hard "I want him to die for that"

[Gentleman 5]

I'm not envisioning G7.bandana being cooperative in his scum PT

I don't see how that matters

I don't think Gent 7 was giving up, I think he wanted us to think that he was town "giving up" so we'd take him

His partners did not want to pair with him. But did they want to bus, or did they want him to pair with a town player and then potentially bus later

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 7, you should ask someone else to dance, I don't plan on accepting your invitation

I would prefer Gent 7 left out over Gent 2 btw

I've been thinking about it and I think Gent 2 going after Gent 4 rather than searching for a partner on popping in is slightly more likely to be town than scum

[Gentleman 5]

UNVOTE: Gent 4/Lady 2

OK, I will reconsider

[Gentleman 5]

There was always a bit of a discrepancy between who I know you to be, who I would expect you to recognize and immediately pair with, and who Lady 8 is. That's all I'll say on that front.

I am very bad at picking out alts from mains, though I don't really try either.

At this point in time, I know what you are talking about, but you are wrong about what I would do

[Gentleman 5]

[G9, G5,]
[G3 G6]
[G4 G7]
[G1, G2]

[L4 L5]
[L6 L8 L3]
[L2, L7]

Do you still feel this way about Gent 9?

Why vote for Gent 4 and Lady 2, instead of Gent 1 and Lady 7, based on this list?

[Gentleman 5]

L2Rosa's really getting to me

I liked her response to the vote

[Gentleman 5]

I feel like the discussion over whether I would have picked G7 as scum or not is pretty useless due to insane amounts of WIFOM
And really getting associatives off of him from the last ~24 hours is potentially really misleading.
I'm more interested in the earlier stuff before he gave up

What do you think of Gent 7 proposing to Lady 6?

[Gentleman 5]

Null, I'm going to need to see more

[Gentleman 5]

You think Lady 2 + Gent 4 is still our best vote?

[Gentleman 5]

@G5.Boromir what do you think of the posts from G1.Nagito?
I am kind of getting null / lean town vibes if I ignore all Sans posts but I want a second opinion.

Null, I'm going to need to see more

He honed in on Lady 1 fast

[Gentleman 5]

Can you make a visual representation of this using tiers?

△

[Gentleman 5]

I'm just gonna sit on the only pair I feel some amount of confidence in even if no one will join me
VOTE: Gent 3/Lady 6
pedit: Okay

Do you think that Gent 7 proposes to Lady 6 when they are both scum?

What are your thoughts on Gent 3?

[Gentleman 5]

This leaves a bunch of other pairs that I unfortunately don't have any strong T/T feelings about. Basically, I town read almost all the ladies, which feels weird, and it's definitely not good that I'm mixed or null on all of G1/G4/G5/G6. The one I most feel like I should be able to get a good handle and want to town read is G5. So I'd like to talk to you, G5, next time we're both around. Specifically, I'm curious about your read on me and if its changed at all after G7's flip. You've asked a few people what they about G7 asking me out early in the game. What is your conclusion about that?

Ghosty 8 has convinced me that it would be a poor move, as Gent 7 would have to be acting poorly on purpose in order to justify being turned down. A move that would wind up sacrificing him.

So, I'm thinking you're town right now. I'm thinking Ghosty 8 is town.

[Gentleman 5]

Also G5, I want to know how your read on L8 has progressed since you've paired with her.

I don't see a connection between Gent 7 and Ghosty 8, so the flip itself doesn't change anything for me.

There is one part where after he starts using AtE/Giving up he says our pair and the ic pair are both town, but I don't value that very highly.

She is definitely putting in a lot of effort to read other people in the pt, and I do not see an agenda.

[Gentleman 5]

Basically, I town read almost all the ladies, which feels weird

It's not impossible for all the scum to be in the gents.

Gentleman 9 is the closest thing I have to harder scum read right now.

I have also arrived at this point

[Gentleman 5]

You've asked a few people what they about G7 asking me out early in the game. What is your conclusion about that?

If it helps, I've reached my conclusion when I asked Lady 8 about it in my PT. Me asking other people is to see if anyone disagrees/so they can see what I'm seeing

[Gentleman 5]

I think the two slots I want to see flip the most right now are Gentleman 4 and Gentleman 9

[Gentleman 5]

What makes it hard for you to read me?

[Gentleman 5]

I don't see why he thinks Lady 1 is obvious if she is mafia, though. I don't agree that the prince is the safest partner in the dance setup if you're mafia, because when you don't die at night while paired with the ic everybody suspects you. I also think he's wrong in how he thinks Gent 8 would act but if he thinks that Lady 1 would think that then it's still a valid point. I don't think that Lady 1 thinks that Gent 8 would never leave the dance.

[Gentleman 5]

can you elaborate on your l1 town read?

I find that it is hard for me to do that, It is mostly based off of their tone in the early game - I understand that's not a very strong read. If I look at them now... I still like them for town.

Both Lady 1 and Gent 6 have expressed that they are probably not making it to the end of the dance

[Gentleman 5]

I also want to know why his read on me/my pairing changed, which I've been wanting an answer to

Why aren't you answering this?

[Gentleman 5]

Because I missed it.
I thought your response to why pairing with lady 8 is reasonable, but I don't particularly town read you in any sense. I also think your attack on me is in bad faith

I like the pairs in this order

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 8 - Lady 5
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8

Gentleman 4 - Lady 2
Gentleman 6 - Lady 1

Gentleman 3 - Lady 6* typo in fgs title post
Gentleman 1 - Lady 7

This post makes it look like you had warmed up to me quite a bit, though.

Why is my push on you in bad faith?

And I didn't like that you essentially cleared lady 8 via PT less than a day after it opened

Well... that's not really what happened. In any case, why don't you like it?

[Gentleman 5]

Why use the PT and not the main thread in particular?
Do the thoughts have some kind of need to be kept away from the public, such as it revolving around further actions that she doesn't want to influence.
Or is it just general thoughts and you are sure they aren't tailored to you.
At some point this game I'd like some level of elaboration on what is going on behind the scenes.

General thoughts and discussing reads

I can't help but shake the feeling that Gentleman 4 is player that I know and also specifically one that I am terrible at reading and it's throwing me a little bit

This is me in regards to Gent 5 a top town read of mine. Words to not describe how much I feel this statement.

I'd wager that you're probably wrong about whoever it is you think I am

[Gentleman 5]

I think that scum wouldn't want to be partnered together

verifiably incorrect assumption, by the way

(it entirely depends on the players though)

They knew each other before the dance started

Here it's all anon

[Gentleman 5]

unless you're suggesting "the only reason scum would ever want to partner together in a setup like this is if they know each other", not sure what point you're getting at

That's the only time scum have ever paired together, right?

From what I've seen, most people are very resistant to pairing with their scum partner in this setup.

I was tin foiling that they'd be performing theatre to make it look like Gent 7 wanted to pair with Lady 6, but not that they were actually

wanted

to be paired together.

[Gentleman 5]

I'm following along with people who are saying that gent 9 is more likely to be town now

And also with Gent 4 saying I just can't read him, and Lady 4 kind of vouching there

[Gentleman 5]

Gent 8, I seriously doubt the world where Gent 7 goes rogue and tries to pair with his scum mate without asking about it in the scum thread first

That's not how people operate, in my opinion

[Gentleman 5]

I'm just gonna sit on the only pair I feel some amount of confidence in even if no one will join me
VOTE: Gent 3/Lady 6
pedit: Okay

Why do you suspect this pair?

[Gentleman 5]

Is it just because you are having trouble reading me?

This is what I'm referring to

Still feel fine about Lady 4 on a re read.

Same here

[Gentleman 5]

i don't think scum go out of their way to get a partnership with one particular town player, to the exclusion of all others though? that's not how people operate, in my opinion

so present to me the scenario in which lady 6 is town and gentleman 7 pursues lady 6 like he did and how that makes sense (disregarding my "intense love of seals" theory please)

He enters the thread not having read anything before where he enters, or only skimming

He tries to pair with what to him looks to be the towniest looking lady

He never really explains why when asked

He tries to look like town by tone

Is that a reasonable scenario for his play?

[Gentleman 5]

This is what I'm referring to

I still don't get what makes you want my slot gone. I'm not saying that I should be a hard read for you and I don't think L4 is either.

Because I don't townread you like I townread other people, and I don't know where else to vote

I am rethinking it now

[Gentleman 5]

G8, why does G7 keep going after me if I am obviously shutting him down in thread and presumably in the scum PT

like it doesn't seem to be sound strategy either way

we can agree it was not the smartest of plays, regardless of your alignment

if you're town, then he was thinking if he yelled "BE WITH ME, SEAL LADY!" enough times, it would eventually melt your icy heart

if you're scum, you obviously disagreed with his plan but he continued doing it anyway

i'm obviously missing something here since i'm not 100% convinced that he's the type of person who spends his leisure time watching documentaries on seals and marveling at the beauty of them. i'm not sure what i'm missing, but i haven't seen much reason to consider the scenario in which you're town is more likely than the scenario in which you're scum. "scum wouldn't do that" is not convincing. "he thought it would look town" doesn't fully explain it

this is why, if we go back to how we originally came upon this topic, i asked if people could point me to posts outside of this that they thought seemed like town thought processes from you

Ghost 8's argument is that Gent 7 entering the thread and proposing to his scum partner would be a poor move because it's not a pairing they want to Gent 7 would have to look bad on purpose in order for Lady 6 to decline it. Gent 7 didn't have any reasoning when proposing

[Gentleman 5]

An argument against them being scum, in that Gent 7's actions would have been bad play and would necessitate that he looks bad so that Gent 6 can decline him, because they don't want to pair together, so they're be sacrificing Gent 7 for not much reason

[Gentleman 5]

G8-L5
G1-L7
G5-L8
G6-L1
G3-L6
G9-L3
G4-L2

Like this probably? I'm not really TRing L5 but I don't want to deal with the IC pair rn
My middle is very close together

This readlist is kinda shady... in that the top town read is not a town read, "middle is together" and by previous she's willing to vote G3-L3 downwards. There's really no gradient to the reads .

Why is that 'shady'?

[Gentleman 5]

I love that Gent 6 is putting in effort to give reads on everyone, but the reads he gave so far was on who I cared about seeing reads he least (himself, Lady 5, Lady 7)

I'd rather he talked about Gent 9, Gent 2, Lady 1, Gent 3, Me, Gent 4

[Gentleman 5]

If I had a readlist that has everyone at null is that shady?

I don't agree that that is what is happening in that reads list

Unrelated to that, I don't really like gent 2. Or at least I'm not confident in him being town. I think I psyched myself out because other people thought he could be town, but does anybody hard townread him and lady 4 both?

VOTE: Gent 2/Lady 4

[Gentleman 5]

my reads are in a bottle being turned upside down and shaken really hard

I'm treating gent 1 as town if Ladies 1 and 7 both think he is town

[Gentleman 5]

my current theory about this game has me giggling irl. it seems so obvious but also so hilarious

Both 5-8 pairs are town, and both 2-4 pairs are scum?

[Gentleman 5]

my reads are in a bottle being turned upside down and shaken really hard

I'm treating gent 1 as town if Ladies 1 and 7 both think he is town

l8ghost is going to be crushed about the value of her feedback here

I value her feedback too, I don't believe she has a strong read on Gent 1