A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Gentleman 8]

well, this sucks

[Gentleman 8]

i just want to know why i cordially invited myself to my own masquerade ball and why i didn't make an effort to disguise myself

major plot holes in your flavour already, fakegod. i am disappointed

[Gentleman 8]

ain't my fault. im the prince, my job is to lounge around all day and pretend i matter. i'll tell my dad to fire whoever is in charge of admin duties, i guess

[Gentleman 8]

on a serious note, i have mod confirmation that the werewolf is hiding her ears by lowering them and making them blend with her hair. do with this vital piece of information what you will... i'm off to find the cordial i was promised

[Gentleman 8]

if i ask a gentleman to dance, is fakegod a progressive enough mod to allow it?

[Gentleman 8]

gentleman 9 broke my heart by inviting a lady

i am sad now, we could have been amazing on the dance floor

grabbing a strong drink and wiping away my tears before i continue reading

[Gentleman 8]

i didn't know i had reads

well outside of gentleman 9 who is a very fine gentleman indeed

i'm at like p4

[Gentleman 8]

i asked the DJ to put on some nice classical music to set the atmosphere for the ball

Spoiler:

he assured me this what all the other kingdoms use when they host events like this

sounds right

anyway, back to reading

[Gentleman 8]

hmm, for some reason my ears are bleeding

weird

[Gentleman 8]

Lady 3 lock town not changing

unfortunately paired with someone im not town reading

interesting

you agreed with lady 3 being lock town here?

[Gentleman 8]

is this where is coast for 8 days until the first dance?

you would greatly increase our chance of winning if you become obv town before then

interesting statement

[Gentleman 8]

Specifically Cat Lady 5's idea to pair the IC with third towniest

i missed this idea whenever it was first brought up but i don't agree with this

a better idea is for me to get a town read on someone that others aren't heavily town reading and pair with them

makes the NK requirement that much more interesting unless i either pick wrong or they think they can convince me i picked wrong

good luck with that though, i'm fairly stubborn if i can be fairly certain about a read : ]

(also going to preemptively say that i don't want pages of discussion about this idea - either i'm gonna do it if i get a solid enough read that isn't consensus or i won't, probably unlikely to be influenced by some back and forth about who's the most correct on a theory point)

[Gentleman 8]

I don't want G4/L6 together because they'll be my paranoia wolf pairing for the entire game.

heh. i had the opposite thought, actually

[Gentleman 8]

also if you look at past dances

townies leaving the dance has a very high percentage of just flipping a town/town pair

insightful

would you say the percentage is somewhere between 62.5% and 87.5%? because that does seem high...

[Gentleman 8]

that's p rude

[Gentleman 8]

somebody copy paste the entire works of shakespeare or something

catch lady 5 in a lie

[Gentleman 8]

what pairings are there so far?

[Gentleman 8]

A warlock, a werewolf and a vampire

And a god

this is pretty town

[Gentleman 8]

Why? I think scum are more likely to lolpropose and accept, given they just don't want to die.

you are right but also wrong

to clarify though, you think on page 4, gentleman 9 was panicking like "oh fuck, oh fuck, i don't wanna die... gotta ask someone to dance before it's too late!!!!!!!"?

[Gentleman 8]

lady 8's reason for townreading gentleman 1 is silly. gentleman 1 was obvious discounting the IC pairing when he said 1 T-T pair (otherwise it would have just been "one town player (other than the IC)")

[Gentleman 8]

that's silly. the women in this game aren't the ones in danger of getting kicked out of my ball so why would they, even as scum, care about quickly accepting an offer?

[Gentleman 8]

above re: the speculation at the end of last page obv

[Gentleman 8]

no, not really. that's kind of the entire point of the mechanic actually?

put it this way: if fakegod didn't troll me, i might not have done a super early proposal, but i also wouldn't have cared much whether or not i picked town or scum

i mean it's possible she was scum i guess, but that ain't a convincing reason

[Gentleman 8]

i mean ok, that's how you think? i don't really agree but i also don't care to argue

the question isn't how you think or what's optimal, it's about whether you believe she should also have thought that for some reason

*shrug*

don't see it

she was probably town

[Gentleman 8]

i mean she kind of explained it, so unless you're telling me you don't believe what she had to say about it, what's your point? i don't see why scum thinks that either so we're back to square one

you'd be better off telling me why what she had to say about it (for instance, in #132) wasn't believable

[Gentleman 8]

but that's like not why she said she accepted? she said her reasons for accepting were in 325 whereas what she's talking about in 132 was general theory talk for the setup

i mean it might not be why she accepted, but it is why she didn't care about the theory stuff going on, which you're saying she should have read or whatever

(and tbh, my eyes glazed over at all the theory stuff in the beginning so i don't even know what discussion there was)

but also yes, you can also tell me why you don't believe that explanation either i guess? because that's a pretty weak explanation for scum to come up with lol

[Gentleman 8]

i have no real frame of reference for this, since all the scum PTs in the recent dance games weren't released (the most recent one with a scum PT was 2017...) but I'd guess scum had some sort of discussion re: how they're gonna approach proposing or accepting dance proposals... or at least some sort of discussion about who they want to partner with (like if they're a weak player, try to get partnered with a player who seems strong, etc)

so off the cuff stuff like acceptance in the way lady 3 did it is at least slightly more likely to come from town i think. unless she's the type of scum who likes taking risks (i don't really care to meta dive her, it spoils the purpose of the game)

[Gentleman 8]

at the very least, even if they had zero discussion, it's slightly more probable that scum would be worried about accepting a proposal from a player who others are likely to think is scum

[Gentleman 8]

i am basing that assumption off
a. that's what scum _actually_ said in the last PT that was released (albeit 3 years ago in a non-anonymous game), and
b. we can choose to force couples out. doesn't really help if scum pair with a weaker player just because the weaker player is unlikely to figure them out - we can still forcefully evict them from the dance floor

[Gentleman 8]

i suppose it entirely depends on the composition of the scum team too, but whatever. point being that i think some thought would have gone into it and that doesn't exactly align with shoot from the hip proposal acceptance

[Gentleman 8]

my kingdom isn't a democracy. who gave you permission to vote and what for?

[Gentleman 8]

is it because you think he's a bad dancer? or did he offend you in some way?

[Gentleman 8]

tbh half the time someone mentions a number in this game, i have to go look at their ISO to remember who they are

only a couple actually left enough of an impression that i can say "oh yeah, that number"

[Gentleman 8]

I ask Lady 6 to the dance.

Definitely the cutest, most honorable and townie looking lady.

!

[Gentleman 8]

I'm gonna start playing from this point on and not read back btw

out of interest, how did you figure lady 6 was the towniest of town players that ever towned if you didn't read back?

[Gentleman 8]

who do you want to dance with then, lady 6?

[Gentleman 8]

I realize this may be hypocritical of me to say, but I think we should hold off on more offers until the Prince (G8) has decided.

nah, go ahead and do you

[Gentleman 8]

there's no traffic in my kingdom

we spend all the money on balls, nothing to spare for building roads

[Gentleman 8]

hmmmmm. yeah, no traffic around. our transportation system is a series of catapults and large feather-stuffed mattresses. you get launched from one catapult station to the next if you need to travel long distance

disclaimer: by allowing yourself to be launched by a catapult, you accept that my kingdom is not liable for any harm caused by imperfect aim or faulty mattresses

roads are inefficient. once theyre built there's nothing to do except maintain them. the catapult system keeps many peasants employed long-term, from the launchers to the clean-up crew

you gotta think about this stuff when you're a prince

that and dancing apparently




honestly, i'm surprised anyone had enough interest in coming to a masquerade ball hosted at my palace, now that i think about it

i guess i'm just that charming?

[Gentleman 8]

This might be personal bias, but I don't think Lady 6(Seal) should accept Gentleman 7's offer at this point.

Hehe. Why haven't you proposed yet?

good question!

[Gentleman 8]

ok then...

Lady 2, may I have this dance?

oh... i guess the feelings you had for lady 6 were ephemeral

i hope she isn't too disappointed!

[Gentleman 8]

i would consider asking you to dance if i were to make a proposal now, lady 5

i am in the process of reading (incredibly slowly) if it were not already obvious from the quotes i'm pulling up 10 pages back

[Gentleman 8]

i want gentleman 3 to figure out who i am and then look cool smoking a pipe while bragging about it

[Gentleman 8]

tbh ive just been calling you "miss world" in my head

[Gentleman 8]

heh

i honestly don't understand why anyone thinks lady 6 is town. tbh she's the most likely to be scum among the ladies, from what ive read

if i had to choose someone currently unpaired to leave out, it'd probably be gentleman 4. need to think about this a bit

[Gentleman 8]

i honestly don't understand why anyone thinks lady 6 is town. tbh she's the most likely to be scum among the ladies, from what ive read

(◡﹏◡✿)

But why tho?

i mean, just is

some ladies attending this ball are a bit uncouth, but that's their approach and it looks like they have a vested interest in game solving - i am ok with these individuals so far

some ladies attend this ball are a bit more refined, but also aren't afraid to make waves - they are actively getting in the mix and giving opinions on things that are a bit more controversial

there's lady 3 who, uh... exists

and then we have lady 6... who seems almost afraid to call anyone scum and doesn't want to cause any sort of real commotion. could be a playstyle thing. could be that she genuinely doesn't have any real scum reads. i don't really think so. i think some of the opinions she's put forth were a little odd

take, for example, a post i brought up earlier: this post - i could break down why i don't like it in a bit of detail, but the main thing i don't believe here is that she agreed with lady 1's opinion on lady 3. you can probably work backwards from this to understand why i think interjecting this opinion at this point was odd

[Gentleman 8]

yeah, that

[Gentleman 8]

i'm also partially intrigued that she hasn't once suggested partnering with me

not sure if she's worried i'll leave if that happened (safe assumption) or just thinks other people are better? hard to say since i can't tell what criteria she's been using to think about partners

[Gentleman 8]

well also re:lady 6, she's just one of the few ladies who hasn't engaged with me at all (up until now) - has only talked about me in passing

not sure if that's due to ulterior motive or just lack of interest or if i'm just seeing something that ain't there or if i missed stuff

that aside, key point is i don't see that she's done anything town-looking yet

Prince G8, what's your thoughts on her suggestion (and which I echoed) of a pairing with Ms worldwide 5?

i already said i'd most likely ask her to dance, i think. i'm catching up in an odd way where i read current page then go back to wherever i left off (currently p34). i'll prob invite a lady to dance after i'm caught up. hopefully soon

though i don't want a partner who is just going to accept my invitation because i'm the prince

i want to be able to sing from the rooftops of my palace: she don't care that i'm an IC, and she don't care that i am stunning, and that's real good 'coz i'm probably gone N1, but if i'm not it won't mean nothing. she likes me for meeee, not because i post like i'm a paragon, with the charm of a certain aragorn oozing out my posts. and what she'll see are zero faults or indecisions, my near-perfect condition plus the shit-posting i do before i'm dead. she's the one for meeee, and i just can't live without her (due to the mechanic of this game), etc

[Gentleman 8]

she's just one of the few ladies who hasn't engaged with me at all (up until now)

in general I also don't see the value in engaging with the IC unless they have specific questions about/for me

i mean, i have asked you at least one question, which was also echoed by lady 3 before she was abruptly removed and replaced with a clone

[Gentleman 8]

oh, before i forget lady 6, could you give me 2-3 names for both the ladies and gentlemen that you currently think are most likely to be scum?

the why isnt so important but you can talk about why if you really want

[Gentleman 8]

it blows up when i'm not around, and then i read it at a rate of 1 page per hour and almost get caught up then zooooooooooooom

[Gentleman 8]

I like a Lady 5/Gent 8 pair more and more if they are both amenable to that

it's entirely up to gent 8 in the end though

I am now afraid for Lady 5 pairing with G8 because I town read her pretty strongly and don't want her to die, but that might still be the best pair overall. I also wouldn't say no to Lady 1/G8.

specifically which posts in this 300-post gap changed your read from whatever it was to i guess strongly reading her as town?

[Gentleman 8]

what about me

i feel left out

[Gentleman 8]

did you use invisible text? i think that's a violation of the rules

also, lady 4 seems p town?

[Gentleman 8]

on second thought, after skimming through, not as town as i remember

still seems townish

[Gentleman 8]

im finishing my read before i fall asleep and wake up to 10 new pages that i wont read til tomorrow night

vicious cycle

[Gentleman 8]

some things look town. just nothing so solid that i'd stake a game on it atm

[Gentleman 8]

i tend to town read abrasiveness when it's done in a particular way, like this post and others similar to it

if you don't see it, you don't see it

i'm not looking at the content so much as why it's being posted

[Gentleman 8]

but as i said, not as town as i remember it looking back

still think the demeanour is a bit more likely town than not but that's about it

*shrug*

[Gentleman 8]

i would hesitate to call certain people in that group town

i don't have strong feelings about them being scum

it's not so important now though since theyre all paired now? i forget. fakegod's a lazy mod and hasn't updated stuff and i'm a lazy player who can't be bothered finding the proposals/acceptances

[Gentleman 8]

i'm not up to date, but i do want to say this: gentleman 3 could be town, but all of the opinions he had at the point he replaced in were likely formed while following along with the game

it's something i've done before when replacing into the game. it makes things much easier if i replace into a scum slot because, hey, i have 100% genuine reads (right or wrong)

so i'm taking his reads and opinions that look interesting with a grain of salt; he'll be easier to sort the longer the game goes

[Gentleman 8]

oh, right lol

he paired with lady 6

currently thinking that's an unwise pairing to let reach anywhere near endgame

[Gentleman 8]

i literally have no clue who either of those people are

@gentleman 5

[Gentleman 8]

wait, lady 8 is a ghost?

i thought it was like a disfigured tree or something

[Gentleman 8]

well that explains why no one is using the nick name "disfigured tree" i guess

[Gentleman 8]

no one has asked me to dance yet either

cheer up, no need to cry about it

[Gentleman 8]

actually i think that's a lie

but no one has extended an official invitation to dance to me yet

theyre all more interested in the ladies apparently

not sure why

[Gentleman 8]

is that to me?

lady 3 doesn't want pegasus so i'll take him

i don't know what null post thing you're talking about. i just don't think you've done anything town yet and of the unpaired players, i can see more reason to call the rest town (yes, including gentleman 7). also think it's a bit more likely you're scum if lady 6 is scum, and well, you know...

[Gentleman 8]

oh i guess that counts as null post stuff but it's more like uh... lack of initiative to sort people beyond throwing out a few town reads i guess? i see town reads, i see no particular conviction behind much though. kind of a lot of the same issues i have with lady 6 but you're more tonally flat than her so it's hard to tell if you're just like that or you're actually scum

[Gentleman 8]

that's actually why i was interested in you floating the idea that you'd dance with lady 6 but never actually committed to it

if you are scum, it makes the case for evicting lady 6 that much easier (in my eyes at least, i'd still have to do the leg work to convince others maybe)

[Gentleman 8]

Since G3 is with L6, that made my choice a lot easier.

yeah at that stage maybe. you'd been floating the idea since very early on

(but it's also not the only associative i see, it's just an example of something i was interested in between you two)

[Gentleman 8]

I’m just a planet, standing in front of a prince

this seems physically impossible. i don't mean to offend but planets have no legs or feet

at least not the ones i know of. maybe i need to broaden my horizons

[Gentleman 8]

ok then...

Lady 2, may I have this dance?

this in response to me saying "good question!" re: you not asking lady 6 to dance threw me through a loop. i need to come back to this when i'm not half asleep

[Gentleman 8]

do... do i ask for one of their hands if i ask you to dance?

[Gentleman 8]

hmm

[Gentleman 8]

lady 5, would you do me the honour of dancing with me?

please note: strict requirement is learning the hare hare yukai dance if you don't already know the moves

we would need to show up all the other couples

[Gentleman 8]

[Gentleman 8]

L1cry is townier than L5gaia and needs to be paired g8shadowpuppet. Like I get the logic of not wanting to put someone obvtown with the prince and feel like you lost lots of stuff to the nightkill, but like L2rosa pointed out if you put someone too scummy with the prince they can be left alive through intermission and need to be removed anyway.

tbh if lady 5 is town and i am not killed, scum would be taking a pretty huge gamble in guessing how i think

but if they wanna take that gamble, go ahead

fwiw i didnt pick lady 5 out of consideration for how other people are reading her. though it's also not super important to talk about why since it's already a thing

lady 1 is also most likely town though

sleep time

[Gentleman 8]

Oh yeah, great, the three of us get to be the town's entertainment in pre-dance and then we get lynched immediately since everyone will have a polarized and matured opinion of us by the start of the dance. Terrific.

given your previous avatar, i feel it is only appropriate to say the following...

dance, monkey! dance!

[Gentleman 8]

I feel like I've waited long enough for anyone who wanted to voice an objection.

i... i did?

[Gentleman 8]

if youre having trouble with that, youre in for a rough time when you start learning geddan (also mandatory)

[Gentleman 8]

no i am still like 15 paged behind, just skimming recent stuff and skipping the longer stuff. on my way to work

@lady 5

[Gentleman 8]

i feel like lady 3 is biased towards water pokemon for some reason... hmm

[Gentleman 8]

Yeah and what's a good way to secure the pair? AtE and defeatism

Well it clearly isn't working...
Would be nice to hear something from Gentleman 2.

: |

if for whatever reason i am wrong about my read on you, posts like this aren't doing anything to correct my read

[Gentleman 8]

please write a limerick or a haiku, whichever you prefer, on each of your reads lady 7

i'll start you off

there once was a gentleman named 4
whose posts i do abhor
i see not a single good stance
but he still gets to dance?
i currently wish to make him no more

[Gentleman 8]

w-was that a riddle?

i think the answer might be 42 but i'm not sure

[Gentleman 8]

both gentlemen: "i'd rather die than dance with lady 4"
lady 4: "where's lady 1's previous avatar?"

[Gentleman 8]

ps: triple leave would achieve nothing over, i dunno, leaving if you really want to in any of the dance phases?

[Gentleman 8]

can you remind me who you think is most likely scum, gentleman 4?

[Gentleman 8]

Wow, by looking at the activity overview, the past 8 posters have all been ladies.

out of interest, why were you looking at the activity overview?

[Gentleman 8]

could i get an idea of 2 non-me pairs people want to see live until endgame btw?

even if you've recently stated it and even if it might change pending flips/first dance/etc, just looking for a rough idea of the consensus at the moment

[Gentleman 8]

Maybe even the L4 pair because I don't really think her or G7 are scum.

did gentleman 2's recent posts make you think he's scum or is this an opinion you've held for a while now?

[Gentleman 8]

could i get an idea of 2 non-me pairs people want to see live until endgame btw?

even if you've recently stated it and even if it might change pending flips/first dance/etc, just looking for a rough idea of the consensus at the moment

maybe i needed larger rainbow text to draw more attention

hmm

this was a general question for everyone if it weren't apparent

[Gentleman 8]

two couples, because one doesn't win vs a scum-scum pair gentleman 2...

[Gentleman 8]

excluding myself

why?

[Gentleman 8]

i wasn't really asking who you think other people think are town

if you think your partner is town, that would obviously be one of the endgame pairs youd want (from your pov)

lady 3 leaving out her own pair is understandable since she is not so confident on her partner

there's not much point leaving out your own pairing if you are confident in your read though

*shrug*

[Gentleman 8]

i meant lady 3 leaving out her own pair from the two she wants to see in endgame is understandable since she doesn't have confidence in her gentleman 9 read...

[Gentleman 8]

tbh i think gentleman 7 is slightly more likely to be town than gentleman 2 but i'm not going to lady 1 about either pairing

[Gentleman 8]

I hope the plan isn't just to mutually decide on endgame pairs and just vote everyone else out.

that sounds horrible. almost like a mafia game

we'll have no discussion of that sort here

[Gentleman 8]

i can't believe anyone would even suggest voting people out by majority consensus

for shame, gentleman 4, for shame

[Gentleman 8]

i think you're town, lady 7. i don't have any strong feelings about your partner though so you're not particularly high up on my list of couples i'd keep around

[Gentleman 8]

i was gonna say "that's the spirit!" but i want to save it for something lady 8 says because it's probably funnier that way (but less so now that i've explained it, hmmm)

[Gentleman 8]

would be quite funny if two or three of {gentleman 2, gentleman 7, lady 4} are scum and this is elaborate theatre

[Gentleman 8]

I don't think the "he wrote his posts before entering the game" theory is a real good one

i don't think he wrote his posts before replacing in, i think he was following along closely enough that he had genuine reads prior to replacing in (and he just happened to write about them, regardless of his alignment)

he said he was following it. he claims he wasn't forming reads though, he was just trying to identify people. i don't entirely believe that, but it's why i don't care about his replace in so much as how he's going to form reads down the line

[Gentleman 8]

i don't see kagerou

[Gentleman 8]

i'm not asking people to decide, i just want to see where people's heads are currently at

[Gentleman 8]

btw, i havent read any of the theory crap regarding this setup, but first dance phase should basically be a pseudovoting a couple, asking one of them to voluntarily leave when it reaches pesudovote threshold (9 players at the beginning), then continuing with real voting after that (assuming this can be done in a timely manner)

[Gentleman 8]

well in that case, gentleman 9 can dance with lady 5 and i, i suppose

need 3 for a proper hare hare yukai anyway

[Gentleman 8]

i'm not saying it is the case, i'm saying it's why i'm not very interested in your replace in thoughts because if you are scum you probably did form your reads prior to replacing in

the same could be said about other people replacing in, i suppose. depends entirely on one's playstyle though. someone who's more detailed is more likely to do that - wouldn't work the same for someone who just writes one liners about people because they aren't really going into detail in the first place

tbh i missed a gap between like p42 and p57 or whatever so if you have been interacting with people i ain't seen it yet

[Gentleman 8]

sorry, not that you haven't interacted with people, but if you've formed reads from interacting with people, i ain't seen it yet. all the reads you'd given up to the point i'd read were basically stuff i expect you likely would have thought prior to replacing in if you are scum so *shrug*

it's why i say i'm disregarding it and i wanna see how your reads evolve going forward

[Gentleman 8]

i don't know where the disconnect is in what i'm writing or why people are misinterpreting it so wildly

i ain't saying you did or didn't do something. i am saying that all of the reads you have formed thus far are things you could easily have thought before replacing in, before knowing your alignment, etc, because you were following the game closely enough that you probably did form reads

it ain't a matter of whether it is or isn't the case, or whether or not i am ignoring it entirely

it's just that nothing in the reads you've given is stuff that you couldn't easily have been thinking prior to replacing in (because none of them are based on things that have happened since your replace in), ergo i'm not really factoring your opinions so far about players into my read on you and want to see how your reads develop over time

i haven't given a read on you for various reason, nor have i suggested that is what definitely happened

i'm just saying that your initial posts don't tell me anything about you for reasons that should be pretty obvious by now?

[Gentleman 8]

What is the specific reason to believe that I personally (as opposed to any other replacement) am scum who replaced in with prefabricated thoughts?

also fwiw, if someone else's reads were pretty much entirely based on stuff that had happened before they replaced in, i wouldn't give much credence to their catch-up either beyond unconventional stuff that i look for i guess

i'm not exactly singling you out here, you just replaced into a slot i had zero read on before (as opposed to, say, lady 3) and the reads you've given so far aren't exactly based on current happenings (as opposed to, say, gentleman 6)

[Gentleman 8]

if i were scum i'd try to endgame the innocent child, whoever that is in this game

i forget

[Gentleman 8]

no that requires effort

stop effort-shaming her

[Gentleman 8]

i find it literally impossible to enunciate "die scum" with my tongue in my cheek though?

[Gentleman 8]

i find it virtually impossible to say anything like that really

truly a talent you have there, lady 7

[Gentleman 8]

What in the world why should we pseudo vote instead of using the actual vote count?

the theory behind it is that
a. it's better to have more flips prior to intermission so that if the game does reach intermission, there's more time to think about the flips and how to proceed going forward, and
b. obviously today is the day where there's the highest ratio of town:scum so it's probably better to take advantage of that (this would have been slightly more important if scum didn't leave pre-dance, admittedly, so not a huge deal)

there's no reason you can't analyse a pseudo vote count if you care about VCA (so long as someone maintains it)

that said, i don't really care. do whatever

[Gentleman 8]

that said i read the setup wrong and assumed that it ended after one apparently? meh

guess it's fine to vote then

[Gentleman 8]

look, reading isn't my forte if it weren't already obvious

why would i read the rules? waste of time

[Gentleman 8]

if it were me, i'd be asking "where do you get off saying i have the charisma of a bowl of sour cream?"

she didn't exactly say that word for word, but it was more or less the implication

[Gentleman 8]

i guessed it was 'universal town read' given the comment about you having the charisma of an expired can of beans

i gotta stop posting while in the kitchen at work

[Gentleman 8]

geez I won't use it again, I've never even heard the other one

mm, this is a good UTR

[Gentleman 8]

i have an unconventional town read (henceforth UTR) on lady 2

is this right or wrong?

[Gentleman 8]

But I didn't want G4 to leave and I didn't want to pair with anyone other than G4.

dawwww

[Gentleman 8]

t b h if i were a scum lady (and i swear i'm not but i can understand if people don't trust me), i would have been worried about how long i'd have survived with gentleman 7 as my partner, so i wouldn't give anyone any real points for not partnering with him

partnering with him would have been like trying to patch the holes in the titanic with some sticky tape. might have just barely slowed down the sinking of the ship, maybe? probably not

[Gentleman 8]

good sir gentleman 2,

could you please talk about what you were thinking when you made these two posts?

How do you all feel about a triple leave?

If I am going down this phase, G7/L4 should be our winning pair.

[Gentleman 8]

hmm

vote: gentleman 8 / lady 5

just going to sit on this for a while

[Gentleman 8]

i don't think you're meant to tell people you're giving them an intervention?

[Gentleman 8]

a man after my own heart

the proper way to abuse neighbourhoods

[Gentleman 8]

I also think he's wrong in how he thinks Gent 8 would act

it amuses me because i would think even people who have no clue about me would have figured that out by now

volatile is my middle name

my parents had an odd sense of humour. "we'll call him gentleman volatile 8 - none of the kids at school will pick on him with a name like that!"

rough childhood

[Gentleman 8]

Lady 3 I have a specific concern I am choosing not to elaborate on right now.

when would be an appropriate time for you to elaborate on this?

[Gentleman 8]

That's why this pair is doomed to fail cause as soon as she even turns to mildly townreading me I'll start to get sus.

to be clear, is this a serious thought?

[Gentleman 8]

@gentleman 3,

towards the end of pre-dance, why were you so concerned with what you thought was my read on you? not a whole lot of people agreed with me, iirc (and the people who agreed with you didn't exactly think you were scum for it, so...)

[Gentleman 8]

I don't know. When someone says something that you disagree with to or about you, even if others are unlikely to agree, don't you feel a need to at least say

something

?

yes, but then ill also talk about other things im thinking about the game? you didnt do that, unless i missed it, and feel free to point me to what i missed if that's the case

[Gentleman 8]

plus most of the time i would argue about something it's because i want to determine whether that person's thoughts are coming from a genuine place or not. it's usually not a big concern to me if someone i think is really obviously town thinks of me unless it's actually causing people to vote me

so i guess were you trying to determine my alignment with that? and if so, did you figure anything out about me?

[Gentleman 8]

can someone

pretend

i haven't read a large chunk of this game (big ask, i know, but try using all the power of your imagination here) and point me to things that lady 6 has said that seem town?

thank you in advance

[Gentleman 8]

i have read their interactions

something else please

[Gentleman 8]

I think that scum wouldn't want to be partnered together

verifiably incorrect assumption, by the way

(it entirely depends on the players though)

[Gentleman 8]

Still, in this case they didn't want to be partnered together, as Lady 6 rejected him pretty much immediately.

correct (but missing the point)

i'm looking for some examples of posts from lady 6 that come from a town mindset please

i am far too busy performing my royal duties like uh... uh... well, it really shouldn't matter what a prince does, the point is i am far too busy to do an ISO and find the stuff myself

[Gentleman 8]

thank you, gentleman 9. now i don't feel alone in this world

reading the setup is antitown anyway

[Gentleman 8]

i suppose i should be less opaque with regards to my thoughts about the interactions between lady 6 and gentleman 7

i will run some scenarios by people and they can tell me why i should or shouldn't think one is more likely than another based on what we know of how gentleman 7 interacts with his scum partners (hint: we do not know)

scenario 1: lady 6 is scum, a scum-scum partnership was discussed in pre-game but never necessarily agreed upon, gentleman 7 didn't really care and went ahead with it anyway, lady 6 was wary of how people perceived gentleman 7 and didn't agree
scenario 2: lady 6 is scum, the partnership was not discussed pre-game, gentleman 7 made an off-the-cuff proposal because he thinks he's a good enough scum player that he could potentially carry the game with lady 6 (i'm not saying this would have happened, i'm saying he might have thought this). lady 6 would have been caught off guard in this scenario and did not think it was a wise decision
scenario 3: lady 6 is town, scum had been discussing which players were the best to partner with, lady 6's name came up, gentleman 7 saw that and entered the game by immediately proposing to her and assuming she would accept. while doing so, he shut down other potential partners and focused entirely on lady 6 because for whatever reason he thought this was the best plan as scum
scenario 4: gentleman 7 just decided yolo fuck it i do what i wanna do and he has a thing for seals

tell me why any of these scenarios, or some other scenario you can imagine is most likely and why, given that we know nothing about how gentleman 7 does or doesn't interact with his scum partners

if it isn't already clear, i'm almost entirely disregarding this stuff until there's another scum flip where, assuming it isn't a scum-scum partnership, i can go back and look and use it as a baseline for how gentleman 7 interacts with his partners

[Gentleman 8]

a part of me hopes scenario 4 is the case and he just really likes seals and that explains everything

because tbh, if lady 6 is town, i don't really understand the fixation on her at all? like him just really liking seals is the only explanation i could think of that makes sense but maybe someone can point me to an alternate explanation

until then, i'm sticking with the assumption that if lady 6 happens to be town, gentleman 7 just really, really, really, really, really, really likes seals

[Gentleman 8]

Gentleman 7, you should ask someone else to dance, I don't plan on accepting your invitation

No thanks. I'd rather die than invite anyone else but you.

like he reallllllly likes seals

a lot

i have never in my life met a person who likes seals as much as gentleman 7 did before his untimely demise

[Gentleman 8]

you're not allowed to post the quotes i'm posting before i do, ok

please be more considerate next time

[Gentleman 8]

i think it's a safe assumption that gentleman 7 is not talking much in the scum PT, yeah

[Gentleman 8]

I guess it just erases my reasons for scum reading him in that most of his earlier pushes seemed nonsensical. I can actually see the town motivation behind his posts better now.

what were you thinking was the scum motivation?

[Gentleman 8]

I thought they were fake reads and pushes on town players that G9 either didn't want getting to town read or just pushed to look like he was doing something

his arguments literally seemed made up to me

hmm

to be clear, no issues with his play apart from the pushes he made in this phase of the game?

and out of interest, is the idea that scum are more likely to come up with insane backwards theories that make no sense based on your experience with scum doing this? when i say what was the scum motivation, i mean why does scum do that over, i dunno, literally anything else when it comes to pushing someone

[Gentleman 8]

i think the point i'm trying to get at is that regardless of gentleman 9's alignment, it should have been obvious that he

thought

what he was saying made sense, even if it didn't actually

it was never a question to me of "does what he's saying actually make sense?" but a question of "does his line of thinking come from a town place?"

so i guess i'm trying to understand why you thought it didn't beyond "it didn't make sense"

[Gentleman 8]

They knew each other before the dance started

Here it's all anon

my mind is blown

[Gentleman 8]

unless you're suggesting "the only reason scum would ever want to partner together in a setup like this is if they know each other", not sure what point you're getting at

[Gentleman 8]

ok, i'm just going to flat-out tell you that if i were ever scum in this setup and i thought one of the players i was scum with had a decent chance of making it to endgame, i would seriously consider partnering with them

i actually think this gives better winning odds than partnering with someone that potentially gets paranoid of you

you are free to agree or disagree

that's why i say it's dependent on the players

and that's why i disregard the blunt "scum don't want to partner together"

though yes, putting on an act is another potential scenario. it's one of the things i was looking at between gentleman 4 and lady 6 very early on

[Gentleman 8]

i don't think scum go out of their way to get a partnership with one particular town player, to the exclusion of all others though? that's not how people operate, in my opinion

so present to me the scenario in which lady 6 is town and gentleman 7 pursues lady 6 like he did and how that makes sense (disregarding my "intense love of seals" theory please)

[Gentleman 8]

G7 was just trolling and trying to make a showy/townie entrance. Nothing more to it imo, and as L7 said, I feel like L6 would have tried to pull off more of a distance if they were w/w.

it is certainly possible that lady 6 is town and that gentleman 7 entered the game with the mindset that what he was doing would seem town and lady 6 would accept his proposal

that doesn't really seem like a very successful approach to courting a woman, as evidenced by, you know, what happened in the game, but like... also just two seconds of thought would probably help anyone come to the same conclusion

so this doesn't really answer the question of why gentleman 7 did what he did, unless you're saying he actually thought lady 6 would be swept off her feet by the power of his charisma and have no choice but to accept his incredible offer? or are you saying he didn't really care if she did or did not and was just doing it for shits and giggles? because if it was just for shits and giggles, it doesn't tell me much about lady 6...

[Gentleman 8]

He tries to pair with what to him looks to be the towniest looking lady

He never really explains why when asked

He tries to look like town by tone

Is that a reasonable scenario for his play?

same question to you, then: do you think he thought what he was doing was conducive to success?

i'm trying to understand why he felt the urge to immediately do it at the expense of all else (including shutting down other potential partners) and think that this was better than, say... literally anything else

like i think if lady 6 is town, you think he thought his approach was the best way to win her hand?

i guess it's possible, but i still think it's a bit more likely he's the kind of person who has posters of seals covering every inch of his wall and drifts off to sleep each night thinking about them than that he thought what he was doing was going to work

[Gentleman 8]

i think you could make an argument for him thinking immediately proposing to her would get him town read

it is difficult to follow that through to "tell all the other ladies to shove off" even when lady 6 says she needs more from him?

[Gentleman 8]

You have the freedom to choose, idk? Come with me if you want to dance lol

up to this point, i would say, "ok, makes sense that he could have just thought it would work even if it didn't"

after this point, we get:

Gentleman 7, you should ask someone else to dance, I don't plan on accepting your invitation

No thanks. I'd rather die than invite anyone else but you.

Lady 1. Strongly held opinions with flimsy reason to be convinced. Overcompensating for rolling scum or bad at mafia.

The fact I can't tell if Lady 7 is joking or now terrifies me

This post pings me negatively.

Not going to be my dance partner!

Lady 3 would have been my only other consideration for an invitation but luckily she is taken already so that I have no distraction for the belle of the ball, my sweet lady, the lovely, radiant, and sassy lady 6.

and uh... even if he thought his entrance was going to look town and that lady 6 (who is town in this scenario) would think this, he decided "yeah, you know what, i'll just keep doing this even though she said no and it'll eventually work?"

eh... still more willing to believe he grew up in a colony of seals and cannot stand to be separated from them for even a moment

[Gentleman 8]

also it probably doesn't mean much coming from me

but I don't think the way G7 went about and talked about "trolling" me is an S/S interaction very often, but alas, bias

oh yeah, that happened too

i guess this was also another moment of brilliance from gentleman 7 where he thought, "if i say i'm trolling her, she'll be swooning over me for sure. absolutely. flawless plan, if i do say so myself."

the more i think about it, seal love theory is literally the only explanation for his play

[Gentleman 8]

G8, why does G7 keep going after me if I am obviously shutting him down in thread and presumably in the scum PT

like it doesn't seem to be sound strategy either way

we can agree it was not the smartest of plays, regardless of your alignment

if you're town, then he was thinking if he yelled "BE WITH ME, SEAL LADY!" enough times, it would eventually melt your icy heart

if you're scum, you obviously disagreed with his plan but he continued doing it anyway

i'm obviously missing something here since i'm not 100% convinced that he's the type of person who spends his leisure time watching documentaries on seals and marveling at the beauty of them. i'm not sure what i'm missing, but i haven't seen much reason to consider the scenario in which you're town is more likely than the scenario in which you're scum. "scum wouldn't do that" is not convincing. "he thought it would look town" doesn't fully explain it

this is why, if we go back to how we originally came upon this topic, i asked if people could point me to posts outside of this that they thought seemed like town thought processes from you

[Gentleman 8]

basically, if you're town, i fully expect to find that after intermission, i will open the dead thread and see pages and pages of seal pictures and that worries me

[Gentleman 8]

i just... i just want to know why gentleman 7 sees lady 6 (town) say "what you're doing isn't doing much for me, ask someone else" and interprets that as "KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING, GENTLEMAN 7! NO MATTER WHAT THE MOD SAYS ABOUT GENTLEMAN 8, YOU'LL ALWAYS BE MY PRINCE CHARMING!"

it just... it just doesn't make sense

maybe what you were saying meant the opposite in the language of seals and he thought you weren't speaking human?

i just don't know

[Gentleman 8]

I'm saying his arguments seemed more to me like scum needing to deliberately search for / find reasons to support scum reads rather than just naturally finding scum reads as town.

could you give me one or two examples of posts that made you think this prior to the revelation?

and uh, to clarify... your original reversal in your thoughts about gentleman 9 was because you thought scum would have corrected his thinking? or because you thought that his thinking made his arguments seem town? or some combination of those and other factors?

[Gentleman 8]

you ever say a word in your head so many times that it starts to lose meaning?

because i'm at that point now

seal

seal

seal

thank you, gentleman 7. in death you have cursed me

[Gentleman 8]

@gentleman 5, is that an argument against them being scum together? or just an argument for why, if they are scum together, they never actually wanted to be partnered?

[Gentleman 8]

it only just occurred to me that there are bananas in gentleman 9's avatar...

not sure if it was because i was distracted by his dashing good looks or something, but it just never occurred to me that this is why you are calling him 'bananas'

thought he just wasn't making much sense or something

[Gentleman 8]

you could have called him horsea

close enough to a pegasus

[Gentleman 8]

yeah, you would. but there are other ways you could determine that than just knowing who someone is

unless someone has some new angle i haven't considered here, i'd rather move away from the whole "gentleman 7 interactions definitely make her town" to what she's done that actually looks town

[Gentleman 8]

I think it was probably jumping the gun calling Gent 9 an endgame pair for that.

indeed!

[Gentleman 8]

I think it was probably jumping the gun calling Gent 9 an endgame pair for that.

indeed!

i realise this 'indeed!' may not be conveying the correct sentiment

i like gentleman 9 and lady 3, fwiw!

but lady 6 could very easily become the first professional basketball-playing seal because that was an incredible leap

[Gentleman 8]

wait, where's my writeup?

a bit scummy to leave it out

[Gentleman 8]

we could flip lady 4 and gentleman 2 and see what happens

[Gentleman 8]

btw, just as a general reminder, be wary of putting people a couple at L-1 if we aren't ready for the conversations to end

(i know that isn't a danger for the first couple that gets voted out but still good practice to keep in mind)

[Gentleman 8]

my current theory about this game has me giggling irl. it seems so obvious but also so hilarious

[Gentleman 8]

close! actually it's that one 2-4 pair is both the scum, and given i think it's hilarious, you can probably guess which one

[Gentleman 8]

i have legit reasons for thinking it might be the case though :/ :\

it really does make sense!

[Gentleman 8]

nah, no takesie-backsies lady 2

you said you have complete and utter faith in me and that's that

[Gentleman 8]

well good luck, i hear it's pretty difficult to draw three lines though

[Gentleman 8]

What was G9’s townslip/roughly where is it?

What were the conclusions (if any) about G7’s thing for seals?

you can guess how much attention ive devoted to talking about seal love by the questions shes asking

i honestly... if you read the PT post game, you have my condolences

[Gentleman 8]

truly a man of many talents

i can barely hold my phone and read at the same time

i envy you

[Gentleman 8]

has gentleman 2 danced with you much, lady 4? if so, does he take his sunglasses off while he dances or is he too cool for that?

[Gentleman 8]

am i toxic

no, lady 3. that's not a move water pokemon learn in gen 1

[Gentleman 8]

and my PT is "could you please vote L4 since you said you scumread her and you're vanity wagoning right now??" "Wow do you really think the team is Lady 4 + me exactly you must be bad"

yeah, but... but then there's the horrors occurring inside the PT i'm in...

trust me, you could have it worse

[Gentleman 8]

I don't understand what makes this uniquely town

i think nobody except the object of the deceased gentleman 7's undying affection suggested that?

i think the argument is more along the lines of "oh. so that's what he was thinking. makes more sense now" than anything though

[Gentleman 8]

oh, i didn't say it in this thread

i also don't like gentleman 2's recent posts, fwiw

i just can't be bothered pulling up quotes and talking about why

ty gentleman 5!

[Gentleman 8]

and uh, i don't really believe gentleman 2's answers to the questions i asked about stuff he said in pre-dance either, but that was a while ago and i'm far too lazy to pull it up

in short though, the triple leave suggestion = bad, explanation = bad, i don't believe it

[Gentleman 8]

if i say i understand what was written in #2698, will people think im smart or will people

correctly

think im lying?

[Gentleman 8]

mm

*nods sagely*

[Gentleman 8]

your picture reminds me of scarecrow talking about the isosceles triangle after he gets a diploma

[Gentleman 8]

killed off for being too handsome and smart and stuff, i guess? can't think of any other reason i wouldn't be around in endgame

[Gentleman 8]

tbh i am surprised lady 5 hasn't walked out on me

i would have walked out on me like a day ago if i had to put up with me shenanigans

[Gentleman 8]

i feel left out since i haven't talked about my read on her yet hmmm

i might throw together a giant wall about her when i find the time tonight. that sounds like it would be good for the game

[Gentleman 8]

by your own convictions both you and Lady 4 should be like super town right?

Yes, I strongly townread L4. I just find it hard for you all to want me to endgame.

is this based on something stronger than your reason for the town read on gentleman 7?

i don't remember seeing you talk about your convictions with regards to scum reads and town reads so i'm having a little trouble following some of the conclusions you reach

[Gentleman 8]

a couple questions for you, good sir gentleman 2, before i forget...

do you remember why you wanted gentleman 4 to be left out in pre-dance? because i seem to recall you talking a lot about how people shouldn't trust those that were quick to ask for a dance, but at the point you wanted gentleman 4 to be left out, he hadn't asked anyone

can you talk a little about why you thought three town flips was better in pre-dance than pairing up with someone you think (thought at the time?) is town?

and can you expand a little about which couples you currently trust and which you don't, preferably with a bit of why

[Gentleman 8]

fake-hammers never work

you've gotta go with something more believable

on a completely unrelated note,

dayvig: lady 6

now 'fess up, because you're totes dead soon

[Gentleman 8]

im actually a sea lion

is this true? because it might greatly impact my read on you...

[Gentleman 8]

tbh i didnt even know they were different animals

thought it was kinda like how cheetah is just another name for leopard

[Gentleman 8]

i just realised i shouldn't have admitted that

gentleman 7 is probably in the dead thread like "HE SAID WHAT!? HOW FUCKING DARE HE COMPARE THE MAJESTIC SEAL TO A FUCKING SEA LION!"

please accept my sincerest apologies, gentleman 7

[Gentleman 8]

it means she likes pancakes and hates waffles

[Gentleman 8]

good sir gentleman 1, after you've finished your current catch-up, could i trouble you to give us your strongest current reads?

[Gentleman 8]

my PT has like 250+ posts in it... should i be worried? granted like 200 of those are me