Mini 2150 - Anime SeiyuU-Pick [SHOW'S OVER!]

[catboi]

Arigatou gozaimasu ヽ(´ω｀○)ﾉ.+ﾟ*｡:ﾟ+

I will be reading very carefully ( ｰ̀εｰ́ )

Please be patient, I look forward to playing with you all Ｏ(≧▽≦)Ｏ

[catboi]

Arigatou gozaimasu ヽ(´ω｀○)ﾉ.+ﾟ*｡:ﾟ+

I will be reading very carefully ( ｰ̀εｰ́ )

Please be patient, I look forward to playing with you all Ｏ(≧▽≦)Ｏ

This feels like an extraordinarily annoying alisae alt

(๑Ő д Ő๑) Why would you say that? I am just trying to be friendly! I would be very impressed if this "Alisae" person registered an alt 3 years before joining the site~

Arigatou gozaimasu ヽ(´ω｀○)ﾉ.+ﾟ*｡:ﾟ+

I will be reading very carefully ( ｰ̀εｰ́ )

Please be patient, I look forward to playing with you all Ｏ(≧▽≦)Ｏ

This feels like an extraordinarily annoying alisae alt

What the hell how so ?

(¬ω¬) Is this the thing you thought was most important to comment on? You haven't said much of anything at all. Who do you think is mafia?

ヽ(=^･ω･^=)丿✎ I am writing my catch-up post, it will be done shortly~

[catboi]

UNVOTE:

(*´∀`*) Forgot to do that.

[catboi]

((´д｀)) hoo boy. dead game is dead.

ฅ(˘ω˘ )ฅ I'm not a fan of

HoldenGolden

's early claim in 69 but in a role madness type of setup, this is more likely to come from town than scum, especially from an inexperienced player. That combined with the reaction test make the slot very likely to be town.

ヽ(〃･ω･)ﾉ

Mikul

's paranoia and overall distrust of the claims is pretty clearly coming from a town mindset, I think. I doubt most scum would take a mason claim as their primary push target on day 1.

˘\_( õ ‹3 ó)_/˘ The questioning from

TheThirteenthJT

in 147 is slightly town. I find his concerns over the roles outing in 279 fairly believable. I don't really like his reads in 307 (but then, I'm biased). They seem focused on silly details like Mikul making excuses early or tuxedo joking around a lot, neither of which feel like particularly believable reads. However, the little bit of emotional appeal in 314 pulls at my kitty heart, and from the reference to a previous newbie game has me believing he may just be someone who expresses themselves in a way others see as inherently scummy. His defense of "I know I'm being hypocritical by pointing it out on the other wagon but so far they are all easy wagoss to push." feels like a fairly honest statement to make. I think he might just be overwhelmed town.

( ｰ̀εｰ́ )

Shiro

is fairly scummy, their posts have all been irrelevant filler comments with no real attempts at scumhunting.

?(ﾉ)・´ω・(ヾ) I'm inherently skeptical of 3rd party claims such as

Panzerjager

's in 149. I doubt he's gambiting as scum, but I would beware that he may be stretching the truth here. Still, I don't want to eliminate him on day 1. We can re-assess further down the line if need be. There are better targets in my mind. Plus, he's at least actually trying to play the game.

(=^-ω-^=) I like

TrueSoulEnergy

's opener in 153 because it shows him actively thinking about who to give the audition to, strategizing rather than just picking someone randomly. I agree with his assertion that everything Deimos had done early is NAI, but I'm not sure where the townread on Battle mage comes from. I think he had an okay start to the game, but I need to see more from him.

(¬ω¬) A significant part of

mastina

's reads in 232 are obviously complete bullshit, such as townreading a player for saying "hello", as many have already pointed out. I don't think the reads on holden and mikul are bad. but that's about as far as I go. I could understand a battle mage scumread, but she expresses it entirely vague terms without directly pointing at anything.

（○｀Ｏ´○）

Sujimichi

doing nothing but asking questions feels like pointless busywork, and I can't see any logical process to the questions. They just seem random. I give slight town points to him standing his ground when asked about this, but he is more on the scummy side overall.

｢(ﾟﾍﾟ)

Panther and Fox

haven't said enough for me to judge them. I find their judgment of the reaction test to be flawed, but I'd really rather not spend a bunch of time debating my predecessor's actions, as I feel that wouldn't be very productive. The questioning of Battle Mage is odd because he never really said his vote of them was for pressure, it just seems to be something they assumed. My issue with the logic in 367 is that I'm not sure Mikul was such a universal townread at the time (plus, there were like 5 people posting).


VOTE: Shiro

[catboi]

Deimos page top on 14 is my exact thoughts on the Suji slot but I wasn't going to say anything about it.

∑（｡･Д･｡）??? Why not?

The reason I'm so tunneled on this over gut reads is that dp1 is largely a shit show and bar a scum slip it's incredibly hard to get anything from. Unless there are new players. With everyone knowing how this works, reads on dp1 largely turn out to be useless. It usually ends up being that we have to kick the guy who is the weirdest, is the weakest player, or who can't communicate thoughts the best. Sometimes you hit scum, most of the times you don't. At least in later dayphases there is more to evaluate. Motivation behind nk, actions, rolls. This is why I hate dp1

If we refuse to kick mastina then let's at least clock the claimed tp who is now basically useless and a net negative to town over gut reads.

（三ФÅФ三）Not to digress too far, but day 1 is important not because of the results of the

shikei

, but because of the content generated. By getting people to contribute and take stances, you you have information and associations that become useful later when reading back to try to solve the game. Right now, that gamestate is very poor. Battle mage has the second most posts in the game, and he went almost 4 days without posting. I had to go check to see if he was still in the game! We have a number of posters still in the single digits. If we were to default to killing one of mastina/panzer today, we will end up pretty much playing day 1 all over again on day 2, because we have a significant number of people who haven't contributed anything yet.

v/la until Monday 7/20

Sorry everyone work is killing me this week and I need a break this weekend.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[catboi]

catboi, are you post restricted?

>__________________> noooo

˘\_( õ ‹3 ó)_/˘ The questioning from

TheThirteenthJT

in 147 is slightly town. I find his concerns over the roles outing in 279 fairly believable. I don't really like his reads in 307 (but then, I'm biased). They seem focused on silly details like Mikul making excuses early or tuxedo joking around a lot, neither of which feel like particularly believable reads. However, the little bit of emotional appeal in 314 pulls at my kitty heart, and from the reference to a previous newbie game has me believing he may just be someone who expresses themselves in a way others see as inherently scummy. His defense of "I know I'm being hypocritical by pointing it out on the other wagon but so far they are all easy wagoss to push." feels like a fairly honest statement to make. I think he might just be overwhelmed town.

catboi is the Tuxedo Mask slot, right?

I can't help but think that TheThirteenthJT's content in regards to the Tuxedo slot, and that catboi's treatment of them, is scum-scum.

（；¬＿¬)

[catboi]

However, while I might not be able to remember what Shiro's tell is--I can say this about Shiro regardless. Even without a meta tell on Shiro, Shiro's alignment becomes more clear with time. Shiro cannot carry a scumteam even when scum. Shiro contributes virtually nothing regardless of alignment. Because of this lack of contribution regardless of alignment, Shiro is the least-valuable member of any given scumteam, and with other scum dead, Shiro is quick to be exposed. That much I remember about Shiro quite clearly. Shiro won't carry a game as town, but Shiro won't carry a game as scum. More than that, a Shiro lynch gives the town almost nothing regardless of Shiro's alignment. If Shiro's scum, nothing to find scumbuddies from; if Shiro's town, we get no info from what amounted to a policy lurker-lynch since there's no way to tell the scum hopping on an easy wagon apart from the town who believed it was a good wagon.

I'm not going to give Shiro an indefinite pass. Heck I want Shiro to post more and if Shiro continues to not, I might even frustrate-vote Shiro just to apply pressure to Shiro. But I don't think Shiro's a good D1 lynch; Shiro's a good D3 or so lynch, if suspicion remains.

Basically, Shiro isn't getting an indefinite pass from me, but currently has a temporary one.

（；¬＿¬) So you propose they will be easier to read after giving them a pass to do nothing for 2 days?

[catboi]

You know I should honestly start giving myself time to read this game.
I need to do it tonight SMH.

You have my purrmission to skip the mastina posts

[catboi]

ლ(∘◕‵ƹ′◕ლ) What is that supposed to mean?

[catboi]

"I like my wagon". In what way? Why?

[catboi]

I must confess, Donkey Kong's entrance was the only thing which motivated me to finish reading through all of these wallposts. I am uncertain of his alignment so far, yet I sincerely hope that he is town.

The overall state of the game thread overall however is aggrevating. The mastina and Battle Mage back and forth, with a side of panzer, has felt like it has been running in circles and accomplished very little. The interactions of this trio paints a strange picture indeed.

Panzer is only just beginning to address players that aren't mastina, and yet he continues to argue with her while voting catboi for reasons beyond my comprehension. I've considered their vote for catboi as simply being a jokevote, but as it is the only vote they have held since mastina I find it offputting. Outside of this and their mastina suspicion, the only other person they have expressed interest in yeeting today is Shiro (no reason given). I would say that their suspicions feel more like a token effort to appear like they have opinions, rather than the genuine article.
Battle Mage is erratic, but his indepedent pushes of mastina and Shiro at least feel cohesive. My opinion on them has tentatively improved since their earlier posting, although I still don't find the pushes themselves particularly agreeable.
mastina's posts are incredibly frustrating to read, with most revolving around their own defense, but that's an unfortunate byproduct of the gamestate. Ironically, I belive the best way to read mastina would be to see how she reacts with the pressure on her reduced, and to see how her contributions to the game change.

VOTE: Panzerjager

I don't find value in wagoning Shiro currently. Their contributions could certainly have been stronger, but their reaction to pressure on them has felt organic, they seem rather relaxed even with attention turning their way.
catboi's posts have not worsened my opinion on Tuxedo Mask, but they haven't significantly improved them either. They require further observation on another day.

-Fox

(๑•̌.•̑๑)ˀ̣ˀ̣ You had Tux as a scumread, but are voting panzer for voting me? And what about my question I asked you earlier?

[catboi]

╮(ਊ◞‸◟ਊ|||)╭ Well that went nowhere.

UNVOTE:

(*･ω･)✎ Here's the deal: I wanted to push on Shiro to see the reaction it would provoke from them. Low content poster, best thing to do is to try to push them and see if they react in an alignment-indicative way. They'd be an easy push for scum I actually thought before I voted them that their response to being called scum by Battle mage was blasé in a way that leans town, but that's a weak read and I felt it would be better to apply pressure there. Unfortunately, that pressure has dried up somewhat prematurely so I didn't get as much as I'd like. I think it's maybe a town lean but still rather weak and I'd want to compare with their scum games.

o(^・x・^)w The thing about that push was that I didn't really trust Battle Mage or Deimos at the time, but I can't very well join the wagon if I say that, and it just defeats the purpose of the push. That's why I tactically omitted them from my catch-up reads. Disappointingly, no one bothered to point this out, suggesting people aren't paying attention or just aren't really bothering to examine what I say. (I omitted popopopopopopo for more obvious reasons).

(´⊂_｀人) My actual thoughts were that I was sort of bothered by

Battle Mage

, he had whole lot of early game posting where he was joking around/not saying much at all, then went V/LA for 5 days (but, oddly, was active in other games? I suppose this one would have been lower priority, but still it seems odd. The buddying of mastina in 237 is weird. His posts since coming back are at least more focused, less offtopic, but I really don't know what to make of his back and forth war with mastina and I don't want to try to analyze it, it just seems likely to shut people off from reading the thread and degrade the game further. It seems like basically OMGUS which is plausible for either alignment. Null to scummy? But I'd rather wait to see more from him at this point. p-edit: I started typing this up this morning, I have no idea how to respond to his latest set of posts.

║ * ರ Ĺ̯ ರ * ║ I've actually been not impressed by

Deimos

's content at all. ISO 0-20 are conversational RVS posts, the one post that had something close to scumhunting was in 255 where he claimed he thought Tux's reaction was fake. Again, I'm biased, but even though

to most players

that was an obvious fake dayvig reaction test, I'm not sure how you look at a user with an April 2020 registration date, legit newbie, and decide, "oh he's faking his reaction". Why assume he must be familiar with that type of play? While I agree with the reads in 306, those are also very safe reads to make. 315 feels like a very overexplained reason for a vote hop, saying "I'm on you rather than Tux only as a temporary measure to draw attention to the second scummiest player I see in the gamestate.", past that, he doesn't do much else, defends mastina on grounds of not wanting to resolve her claim, and joins the vote on Shiro. It's all very lackluster? He just hasn't offered much in the way of insight from what I can see, very surface-y pushes. I find him scummy.

(눈_ლ) I'm not really sure I want to deal with

Donkey Kong

if he's just going to be an obvious troll alt.

[catboi]

generally when some1 is omitted from a readslist i read it as "i dont really have any thoughts worth elaborating on" so i didnt think of anything.

Well, it feels a little different since both were fairly active posters in the game, I would think it would be odd not to have some kind of take!

didn't think anything of it* lol

ur read on Deimos is notable though! ur point on his reads being very easy is noted, though i think he was early enough in giving them that he still gets some credit for it? if he were outing those reads now i agree i would be skeptic.
as for 315 though, if he is scum... i just dont see WHY he pivots of Tux (your own slot) there! he says himself that he's still scumreading Tux a bit more even, but now wants the spotlight TTJT. i suppose i could see an argument for that being a scum pivoting off their partner, but Tux is you sooo... i just think it's a bit of a Strange move to come from scum if his earlier mindset of "outing easy reads" is an accurate read.

Sometimes you want to keep lanes of attack open. I wouldn't have batted an eye at it if not for his explanation, which felt like an overjustification.


Pre-emptive selfvote starting to feel gambit-y to me.

[catboi]

Panther and Fox:

Please answer me about 419 and 514, I'd not like to be ignored again so you get a separate little post all for you.

[catboi]

the emo cat guy

(╬ಠ益ಠ)

I doubt battle mage saying lynch him is a scum claim. I think there's it's closer to the opposite(I've come pretty close to replacing out of this one a few times). I'm not willing to lynch him but I'd encourage him to think about his commitment to the game and such.

/(@ﾟﾍﾟ@) Even if the game's been frustrating, I find it hard to see such pre-emptive defeatism coming from town. A fair number of people have suspected me but I'm not asking to be killed day 1.

[catboi]

In the sense one came after the other but that's not what I mean by counterwagon. I'm meaning a competing wagon. There just isn't one and that sends up red flags unless the case is immensely strong.

（´-`）.｡oO（）players voting Battle Mage: Starbuck, Tipsy, Panther and Fox, mastina, Shiro.

You can consider me effectively voting him, since I've said I don't trust the self-vote.


Not voting him: Donkey Kong, Panzer, Mikul, TheThirteenthJT, Titus, Deimos27

Independenly think Mikul and TTJT are town (especially looking at his 562), but these are for the most part less active players which explains the lack of opposition but I'm not sure that's telling either way about Battle Mage. Of the votes on him, I guess the worst looking one is Panther and Fox, and I'd be suspicious of them if Battle Mage is town.

(=ΦｴΦ=)

[catboi]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I'm ready to ascend.

Lynch Mastina tomorrow though, or I'll haunt you.

not much town motivation in self-voting at L-4, imo!!

There's a take I didn't expect!

I'm town, but definitely lack of motivation yeah. nobody is even reading my fking posts about Mastina.

I may as well claim for completeness.

I'm Ootsuka Akio. My main role is that I choose the audition prize each day from a list of options (which I crumbed since the beginning obviously). My audition bonus was that if I won an audition I'd get a 1-shot disabler against a player on the scumteam (if I guess correctly) which means they couldn't NK or use any other abilities.

(๑•̌.•̑๑)ˀ̣ˀ̣ How do you square these actions?

Well this is a pleasant surprise Panther. Nice to see you. Please give Fox my well wishes, whomever they are.

I'll do just that. Thanks Titus. It was a shame I couldn't scream in glee when I saw you. It was also making me pull my hair out having to pretend I had no idea that Mastina fakes mason claims every other game.

Oh yeah. Mastina's done that again. Ok.

Since Fox isn't here, can you give me a general rundown of your viewpoints and his/her last ones?

-Fox was scumreading Battlemage the most out of everyone in the playerlist earlygame/when they were done catching up.
-They wanted Panzer dead first though because it's a 3p and we have no idea if they're telling the truth.

We agreed with townreads on Deimos and Mikul and that's really all Fox had.

I myself think Cat boi is scum and Shiro is town have not read a single DK or much of Tipsys posts.
pedit: No, no I couldn't because that's giving me information in a game that I am apart of.

Is it all the Tuxedo stuff still or do you have an issue with something I've said?

[catboi]

Wasn't expecting to be prodded during V/LA. Have skimmed through to page 24 now, will finish catch up tomorrow. I think Tipsy's take on catboi's read of me in 552 is excellent. It's a silly assessment to make from town!catboi pov and they should've been aware enough of that fact to comment on it in their initial post, outlining what my scum motivation is to explicitly sr him but vote TTJT.

Lol at the "overexplaining" take. Why should I wait for someone to ask me why I'm not voting my strongest scumread, when I can be transparent from the outset?

Sometimes you want to keep lanes of attack open. I wouldn't have batted an eye at it if not for his explanation, which felt like an overjustification.

I can keep lanes of attack open by scumreading TTJT, I don't need to solo wagon him. Catboi's slot was a large wagon at the time, why would scum!me dodge it when I've already done the work in-thread to justify a hop onto it.

I just found the whole maneuver oddly overwrought. It felt like there was a self-consciousness about making that vote that was indicative of someone whose primary concern is optics.

[catboi]

(っ- ‸ – ς) A deadline extension is no good if no one does anything with it.

We're short on time, so I'm going to explicitly ask:

For those opposed to the Battle Mage wagon, who would you prefer to vote?

I want to know in advance if people are going to jump back on me, rather than getting blitzed at the deadline.


re: thethirteenthjt's catchup
I liked him looking at panzer's claim and examining possible different roles in 562 to see if there was a possible alternate motive, it feels like more legwork that scum would be willing to put in. The reactions to shiro and mastina feel fairly genuine, I could see a newer town player having those thoughts. The question to starbuck in 692 is a good one, I like his scrutiny there. My one issue would be that he agrees with my point on shiro in 650 but in 692 says "in no way does tuxedo not feel scummy". I don't know if that's him forgetting who I replaced, given the lack of comment on me otherwise.

(＾ω＾) Town Reads

mikul
starbuck - This is mostly residual from Holden, I've not really had much of an impression left by anything she has posted.

~~Power gap~~

thethirteenthjt - My early gutread feels fairly reinforced with his catchup posts but I want to see what conclusions he draws.
shiro - I thought the overall response to pressure was slightly town, but I'm wary of anyone turning around to call me town after I relent on them.
mariar - I think the admission of not wanting to call out sujimichi but wait and see what he'd do is a townish thing to say but there's still not a lot to go by from her and I wish I knew if her scumread of me is entirely Tux-based. Had this one over shiro but then flipped it as I was assembling this list. Neither are really strong reads, which are very hard to come by in this game.

┐(ﾟ⊇ﾟ)┌ Null Reads

panzerjager - His pushes mostly feel like things he believes in, and the statement "I promise you if I grab a protection tonight, you'll know." in 576 feels...believable?. Also sounds somewhat apathetic which would fit with not having a win condition.
tipsy - Reads since arriving look mostly fine but unremarkable, hasn't said anything obviously townish. I agreed with the assessment of Battle Mage's early play in 475's reads but beyond that nothing clicks super hard.
mastina - I just don't really want to deal with thinking about her posts, a lot of the reasoning is way out there and I do not believe the mason claim whatsoever especially given deimos not being very towny.

(☞◣д◢)☞ Scum Reads

donkey kong - I don't actually know, just kill it because it's awful
deimos27
titus - Sujimichi was a nothing slot and Titus has shown up and dragged feet against the battle mage wagon but hasn't really taken initiative to propose an alternative.
battle mage - I just don't buy him acting the way he did with his claim.

[catboi]

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT

TheThirteenthJT requested replacement.

Finding replacement...

beeboy replaces TheThirteenthJT!

mastina is in V/LA until 7/26 (my time). Happy Birthday!
Deimos27 is out of V/LA. Your mod goofed again so I'll remove the prodcount from him, apologies for inconveniences.

Prodding one player. They have (expired on 2020-07-24 12:29:45) to get back in the game.

Mikul requested replacement. Finding replacement...

（ノд｀＠）

[catboi]

VOTE: Battle Mage

[catboi]

haha oh god yeah i just realized this wagon is basically the animes (+ mastina) executing the noavi, huh?
so basically just a gold heart on epicmafia.

(=^･ｪ･^=))ﾉ彡☆ I dunno, no one has told us to selfvote for the clear yet~

[catboi]

Deimos27, Starbuck, Tuxedo/catboi, Thirteenth and BM are all probably Town.

Can you explain the townread on Battle Mage? I'm not quite sure I get it from your catchup, unless it's just that you think he comes off looking better from his back-and-forth with mastina.

VOTE: Deimos27

Gut

First Titus post this game I've liked.

(；¬д¬) Donkey Kong hiding behind the gimmick while lazily echoing takes other people have had is a highkey bad look. So's Deimos just lazily riding the same read from however many pages ago. Doubt they're both scum but I feel like

someone

is hiding behind the "fake reaction" argument.


I guess I should allow jks to be read on their own terms. Will take a look now.

[catboi]

I'm not terribly whelmed by anything jks has said in their catchup, hard disagree with the read on mikul, other stuff is mostly alright, doesn't give me strong feelings one way or the other.

I'll be honest I have no read much of the game, but my reaction to Deimos is "why is this guy a global town read" but I wasn't in the mood to contest it.

Entirely agree with this.

beeboy comes off looking good in his exchange with mastina, I'd be comfortable calling him town now

The only slots I see real reason to want to vote are Panzer/Cat/jk. Could argue for Tipsy but that's not gonna happen with my levels of effort to be honest.

VOTE: catboi

(▰︶︹︺▰) disappointed in you, Sonia...

[catboi]

I see I'm at "2-to-go". It feels pretty awkward being voted for fairly mediocre reasons that are entirely tied to my predecessor. (I disagree entirely about thinking his reaction was "faked", btw - look at the 2020 join date, look at him having never seen a fake dayvig in a game - people automatically assuming it was fake because it was obvious to

them

are refusing to see the perspective of a less experienced player and I think in a few places that's deliberate). There's a lot of inertia which I think is a symptom of the high number of replacements but I can't help but feel mafia are taking this as the easy push. (◕︿◕✿)

Should I claim? Given the time we have left I don't see a ton of hope for a shift. ⊛ठ̯⊛

[catboi]

、ヽ｀(~д~*)、ヽ｀ I mean, I can't tell you what was in his head. I just know I have a town role PM and so I have to assume his reaction was genuine. Why would I attempt to instead assume an interpretation where he, as town, faked his response to a reaction test and that's okay? That makes absolutely no sense. Like how could I argue "it was fake but I'm still town"? This is why I didn't

really

want to get into this because it's a narrative that's impossible for me to counterargue, but it's all people want to talk about with regard to me.

[catboi]

you have a town role pm so you're biased I get that. But not being able to see how this could be fake to others is still...odd? I don't really think you've done much to change my option overall. Consodering I don't know who you are most of your posts are...fair. But I don't really see anything that's super townie from them.

I acknowledge that

some

people might see it as fake, since that pretty much has to be the case. I think oftentimes people are far too uncharitable when it comes to things like dumbtells - they instantly assume something must be faked, because they can never imagine themselves doing something so absent-minded, but the reality is most of the time when someone has a nave reaction, it's legitimate and not something they faked. It should absolutely come back on the heads of people if I get voted out, they should not be allowed to make the excuse "wow wtf he seemed so fake".

And we played years ago on EM, you probably don't remember~ (I didn't either until I did a search)

Catboi, who is scum? Who is town?

Confident town: JacksonVirgo, Starbuck, beeboy. I need to give Tipsy the once-over and decide how I feel about them. Of the people voting me, I'd go Deimos > Donkey Kong > Titus for scum, although Maria is giving me weird feelings right now? But Deimos's content has been weak and hasn't improved since whenever I posted my last readlist. He should go and mastina should go for being a roadblock fakeclaiming masons with him. (I've stopped trying to read her posts). I'm still sort of skeptical of battle mage replacing out under pressure but not a lot that can be done there and I'd put solving that slot at a lower priority (I know my vote's still there). I don't think panzer is mafia.

[catboi]

catboi did not respond to my accusing them of being jeircho so im just gonna assume im correct about that and execute them for the lols.

No idea who that is, sorry~


Tipsy is fine but not enough to confidently townread. had some takes I agreed with in her catchup. I would grant her a provisional town license for the next few days.

[catboi]

I don't think that was a reaction test with battle mage, I think it was him burning his role on day 1 because he was bored, which is highly likely to come from a town player. It's definitely possible for someone to push on a claim for underhanded reasons but his explanation for his distrust of the role as someone with offsite experience all seemed very believable. Of course it also helps that I don't townread either person in that claim. I don't think a narrow focus is necessarily a bad thing for a newer player when those claims mostly dominated the discussion for while he was in the game, it's sort of to be expected a player like that wouldn't be trying to dig deeper.

[catboi]

(＠￣Д￣＠；)

Given it's less than 2 days to deadline and the game has a lot of stubborn inertia, I'm claiming now.

Seiyuu is

Ishizuka Unshou

, character is

ookido yukinari

from pokémon (Professor Oak to you

gaijin

). My power is just a one-shot, at night I can choose a player and pick from 1 of the 3 starter pokemon (bulbasaur/charmander/squirtle). This activates 1 of 3 effects: a doc save, a retaliation kill on anyone who tries to kill the target that night (but the target still dies), or the player counts as an audition doublevoter on the next day while also having a free extra vote for them.

My role isn't very good so it's not a travesty if I die, but I urge you to look very closely at the people voting me right now if that happens.

[catboi]

@mod: can we get a VC?

[catboi]

I've no interest in voting Jackson even in self-preservation. I don't see anyone dying today but me (and honestly, I don't mind because despite my efforts the game has been pretty bad. I guess I should have tried addressing people more directly?).

catboi (4): Donkey Kong, Deimos27, Titus, MariaR

There's mafia in this group. Don't let these people skate by, they need to be held accountable tomorrow. Deimos in particular has been trash and the townreads on him are really inexplicable. Titus is more "sujimichi was bad and she hasn't done anything town". DK is "don't know what he is and don't care, he needs to go"

I'll vote any of those names or mastina. I guess I'd do panzer given the 3p claim but I don't think he's mafia.

[catboi]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Deimos

Doesn't seem likely to succeed but eh

[catboi]

Starbuck reads to me like the wolfing Starbuck from day 1, Lunacy game that ended literally 10 minutes ago.
I couldn't talk about that read until now.

But I guess that would be my compromise option if you want me to start with them.

I still think it's better just give Starbuck a pass today off Holden's content.

This is mostly residual from Holden, I've not really had much of an impression left by anything she has posted.

I feel like I've given reads, opinions, and the like. Why no impression? Any opinion on TTJT calling me a strong player in 692? You seem to like his scrutiny towards me, but not much else?

Reading further through this reads list, it has a feeling of plagiarism to me. Parroting? Both are pretty equal descriptors.

Not to mention that this comment just sets my scumdar alight:

I want to know in advance if people are going to jump back on me, rather than getting blitzed at the deadline.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Off the top of my head, I cannot remember a single thing you've done or said. You haven't even laid down a vote. If I were quizzed on your current scumreads, I would flunk. It's not like I'm trying to avoid reading you but you've been doing catchup quotestripe posts that I have a hard time reading anything alignment-indicative from (tbh, if not for holden I'd probably find it scummy even though I recognize it's mostly a style thing). TTJT calling you a strong player was a bit weird but I think it was his way of asking "should I be cautious about this person?". Of course, he's gone now so it's not like he can be asked about it and it doesn't have a lot to do with you.

Do you mind summarizing your reads for me?

The accusations of "plagiarism" are so weird, this is the same thing Tipsy was fending off earlier. Those are my own thoughts as I was reading the thread? Who am I supposed to be ripping off and why? I'm good enough to fake reasoning as scum anyway, so it's not like it

matters

, but that just makes it all the more bizarre.

And, well, just because I can feel the momentum toward me doesn't make me mafia.

[catboi]

I have a whole ISO full of content that could fix that, but no "let's give Starbuck a pass thanks to HoldenGolden." That just sounds like you're too lazy to go read and form an opinion.

I'm not lazy (okay, maybe a little), it's just that the whole {quote} {comment} catchup format is inherently hard for me to read in a game sense (and yes, I know I'm doing it here). Do you think I am purposefully avoiding commenting on your posts rather than making something up about them?

The accusations of "plagiarism" are so weird, this is the same thing Tipsy was fending off earlier. Those are my own thoughts as I was reading the thread? Who am I supposed to be ripping off and why? I'm good enough to fake reasoning as scum anyway, so it's not like it matters, but that just makes it all the more bizarre.

I had a feeling like I've read it before. I should do a side-by-side of yours, mastina's, and Tipsy's read lists and see what's catching me up there.

I find the accusation I've stolen mastina's reads deeply offensive when I'm not even bothering to read her posts anymore. I remember her first readlist being pretty bad and that's about it.

For what it's worth, I expect there's going to be a bit of role overlap in this game (I think it's role madness and I think there's probably more than one other overlap), so I don't think the fact that two people have something in common role-wise is an indication that one must be scum. This isn't like a situation where there's a counter-claim.

Agree w/ this.

@catboi,

What's your current read on Titus?

(And if it isn't obvious what the followup questions here are, "why did you vote Deimos27 when Titus asked you to?" // "why don't you have any gripes about Titus leading that wagon?")

[/quote]null-scum, I don't care because we have something like a day until deadline, I will vote anyone I don't have a townread on in self-preservation without regard to the wagon composition.

[catboi]

I find the accusation I've stolen mastina's reads

I never said the words "catboi stole mastina's reads." Don't put words in my mouth. However,I feel like I read something similar already in the thread. It could have just been your own posts for all I know. Hence, why I said I need to go back and see what was pinging me.

૮( ᵒ̌▱๋ᵒ̌ )ა You used the word "plagiarism", which, last I checked, has a pretty specific definition!

[catboi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mastina

Ouch! Poked yet again by the 10 foot pole. Is it really a problem if I nap for a couple of days? Leave me alone, dude...

Hey, orangey-lady! That's gonna have to be what I call you since you never gave me your name - it's not too late for that by the way! Anyway, what are you doing voting for mastina? Isn't she like one of the leaders of this cult? She even gave a lecture a little while ago, don't tell me you really think she's doing this good work for you dudes while also being a double agent? Stuff like that only happens in the movies.

You should vote for the masked man who seems to have transformed into a cat person. He seems dishonest. That's who I'm voting for! Also, what happens to the person who gets the most votes? I don't actually know...

Fuck off. You guys had better kill this.

[catboi]

You shouldn't really trust what mastina is saying. Anyway, get on me and I'll self-hammer, no other vote is happening today.

[catboi]

A survival vote + what she's saying mostly comes across as an over-the-top lie + defense of deimos is an enormous obstacle.

That line + Mikul burning their role early is VERY likely to come from a town player. An inexperienced player can make a push on town for malicious reasons but the way they explained their distrust of it from offsite experience felt genuine.

[catboi]

can we just do a shitty lurker consensus lynch or something? like, fuck it, how about this?

VOTE: donkey kong

It's not happening and people are going to keep pushing me for the same crappy reasons tomorrow. Let me go and take a critical eye to the people who were so narrowly focused on such a terrible reason to scumread someone to the neglect of everything else.

[catboi]

ε=ε=((( ^-x-^)ﾉ Not reading a word of that post, cheers

[catboi]

you're basically advocating a policy lynch for a gimmick here.

(=ｘェｘ=) I am okay with advocating for this. At best he's an antitown troll gimmick who contributes nothing who scum will be perfectly content to keep around.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Donkey Kong


Feel free to vote me whenever, jks. Your vanity wagon's not happening. I've already said I'll self-hammer.

[catboi]

Nah it's all town. scum are driving the gamestate, which is why I'm dying.

[catboi]

Presumably because he finds both me and tipsy scummier (he's wrong, those bottom reads are all town)

[catboi]

Presumably because he finds both me and tipsy scummier (he's wrong, those bottom reads are all town)

That does make sense from their perspective in that case

Well, yeah. I just think he's wrong.

Soooo we in a loop of replacements still huh?

Seems to be, but at least that gives us much more discussion time although that may also be a crux.

Previous extensions really haven't added to the discussion and have in fact only exacerbated the problem. At this point I really just want people to vote me so I can get it over with.

[catboi]

IF THIS IS AURO IM SO MAD

it's probably hectic

WELL I WAS LOOKIN FOR A FLASHWAGON CAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY BRUSHIN UP AGAINST THE DEADLINE

(๑•́₋•̩̥̀๑) just vote me, I'll forgive you. I think your reads are pretty good. I'm not fully on board with the mastina/deimos reads but that was mainly just because I felt deimos's game was lackluster, which may have been for non-alignment related reasons. Might want to look into Maria after my flip.

[catboi]

isn't panzer just an obvious 3p?
Like I guess if we really want we can kill him.

But I also don't see why I should care.

not particularly

I don't buy his claim from a setup spec perspective also who puts a neutral in a 13er

They used to be semi-common...which probably is a product of my age that I don't question it. The mod had one in a game in 2016. I would probably bet that panzer does not become sided with the town and just leaves after meeting his wincon.

[catboi]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shiro

¯\_| ✖ 〜 ✖ |_/¯

[catboi]

(υ´Д｀) For a long time, the votes on me seemed like the only wagon that would stick and given the game's overall activity levels there seemed little hope for a change to anyone else.The game was kind of bad so I stopped minding dying. I'll still vote in self-preservation but we're actually in a really bad spot right now with 4 hours to deadline and wagons totally fractured. Will still self-hammer if that's the only way to get an elimination day 1.

[catboi]

I'm here and will be around through deadline.

[catboi]

do we have the votes to hop to panzer? Because I'll 100% do that

[catboi]

If titus is still here and moves I think we do

[catboi]

Doubt it!

[catboi]

you can hammer shiro or flashwagon panzer it's your call ₍˄·͈༝·͈˄*₎◞ ̑̑

[catboi]

really

[catboi]

ah nah that's a bluff, thought for a minute he had some stupid 3p that let him win on day 1 which would have been annoying

[catboi]

I don't think Tipsy/Panzer is plausible. Also don't think panzer's roleclaim is truthful at this point.

Issue with public hated as an auction bonus is that whoever gets it has to die before LYLO which means it's only worth it if their auction bonus is good.

[catboi]

am still town. still dont particularly trust pj's claim, but i'm fine giving it breathing room i guess.

still want titus. i also like catboi less coming out of yday. there was a specific post near the day end, when he told me to just vote him or something when he wasnt really in all that much danger anymore. felt pockety in retrospect.

I wasn't paying attention to the votes but if I'd been voted, it would have at least brought scrutiny to the people pushing me for bad reasons. The shiro vote could be justified by anyone and that really stinks. I don't know who I actually scumread now. Titus or DK I guess.

VOTE: Titus

HURT: JacksonVirgo

misread the auction power, since it expires, might as well award to someone I think is town so they get the bonus.

[catboi]

If you want I have no issue with claiming my audition bonus as well if that helps at all

I don't see any reason to do so at this point, people claiming their audition bonus just lets them draw the NK.

I have a sliiiight suspicion in being pocketed by catboi but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now

I'm getting shitwagoned again so don't worry about it

[catboi]

HURT: Titus

We're leashing this vig shot

I'm a bit lost in this game, so I don't mind being leashed. I just want the ability to go to town power. Normally I like saving vig shots until exlo in case of disaster but this one explicitly cannot.

HURT: Titus

a vig shot not being able to be used then is fishy but if we can leash it might as well take it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Donkey Kong

I'm lost with my reads right now though and this is all I can really go to.

[catboi]

It's an audition bonus. Auditions end Day 4.

Oh, right. God, my mind is a mess.

[catboi]

Everyone in the game has depression and it's only day 2

[catboi]

I don't see why you'd vig panzer at this point. My ake is there is probably 1 scum at most among the people voting me (DK > jks > maria, in order of suspiciousness to me right now), but beyond that...? Don't know. Maybe I was wrong about beeboy or Tipsy, I really don't know. Something's off.

[catboi]

I don't see why you'd vig panzer at this point. My ake is there is probably 1 scum at most among the people voting me (DK > jks > maria, in order of suspiciousness to me right now), but beyond that...? Don't know. Maybe I was wrong about beeboy or Tipsy, I really don't know. Something's off.

Thoughts on Jackson?

Still think very likely town based on Mikul. I'm missing something somewhere but I'm not sure what it is.

[catboi]

I wasn't paying attention to the votes

but if I'd been voted, it would have at least brought scrutiny to the people pushing me for bad reasons.

If you thought it would bring attention to people voting you for bad reasons, then this should have continued over into this day phase? Why haven't you brought up or pursued this line of thinking today?

(Also, I don't believe the underlined part. You seemed hyper-aware of which wagons were viable and where the votes were.)

¯\_▒ – ﹏ – ▒_/¯ I was aware of who other people were voting. I didn't realize for a while that the people voting me had moved off and was absolutely convinced that I was the only possible elimination that day. (it's also null because I would have truly believed I was likely to go down in those circumstances were I scum).

Thoughts on beeboy?

I kinda feel like scum are demotivated because they realized I am unlynchable today.

Lmao

I don't think it's scum that is demotivated, dude.

Σ(`‐ｪ‐´) Seems kind of an odd comment given that you're on me and I've not been very motivated at all. Also realizing I'm probably one of the only viable mis-eliminations scum have available. Still, the lax attitude people have had toward the auditions is probably not good.


My issue with deimos/mastina was mostly revolving around deimos's play in the game being lackluster but that looks like it may not have been related to alignment, given the flipped powers I think the claimed auction bonus for deimos makes sense. I don't really doubt panzer that much, either? I was ready to call BS on the 3p claim but I'd expect a scum to not fakeclaim 3rd party right away on day 1. I don't townread Titus but letting her take a shot in an agreed-upon pool seems fine so I'm willing to let that play out. Beyond that it's just...yeah.

[catboi]

(〃´o｀)=3 Tipsy and who else? Need to hear more than that. I felt their reads were similar to mine day 1 and I liked that but I didn't have any strong towntells on them.

[catboi]

If I'm dying either way I'd rather you vote me today and shoot one of my suspects rather than kicking Ari and voting me. I don't feel strongly enough about a scumread on tipsy's slot to vote that way.

[catboi]

Timing of beeboy's vote on tipsy is actually really bothersome, like he didn't even bother to take a stance on them until they were out of the game and then makes a vote the replacement can't defend against. Looks more like a vote done to try to look independent than anything. That is probably one of the slots where I went wrong.

[catboi]

¯\_▒ – ﹏ – ▒_/¯ I was aware of who other people were voting. I didn't realize for a while that the people voting me had moved off and was absolutely convinced that I was the only possible elimination that day. (it's also null because I would have truly believed I was likely to go down in those circumstances were I scum).

I don't really care to argue about whether you were or weren't conscious of the votes since it's not like I can prove it either way (though I don't really think it's null because I think you were pretty aware that you weren't in any danger for most of the end of D1).

The larger point I was trying to make here is that you said your wagon would provide information - this was why you were supposedly fine with being voted. This should have been true coming into this day phase from your perspective, i.e. nothing should have changed with regards to how your wagon was really informative from your point of view. But you haven't pursued that at all, which makes me think you never had any conviction about it and you were just saying things you thought would make you seem more likely town.

(ﾉꐦ ◎曲◎)ﾉ=͟͟͞͞ ⌨ I have suggested that there is scum among the 3 people voting me and said who I think is most likely. No one cares, because hardly anyone is playing the game. This is total bullshit.

[catboi]

My read on deimos changed because chemist seemed better after replacing in and wasn't just riding one lazy shit read while doing nothing else, and the clarification on the role with the auction bonus made the claim more believable to me.

I think donkey kong is incredibly likely to be scum, the relative ease with which shiro picked up cotes compared to how he gets a pass for trolling and doing nothing is incredibly telling. I think maria has said a few mildly townish things but hardly anything clearing, but you're worse than her in my eyes.

I still suspected Titus today and I've said I don't think she's towntold? I started off by voting her. You can see that. But I'm willing to let the vig thing happen and try to look elsewhere.

None of what you're saying feels like an honest assessment at all.

[catboi]

No. You voted Titus a fair way into this day phase, you didn't start the day voting for her, so that's not true.

Yesterday your final will was basically: "look at the people voting me right now, there's scum there." You were apparently fine with leaving that as your dying message, essentially. Today, you forgot all about that and spoke about other things before eventually voting for Titus.

I don't believe you'd have suddenly forgot something you felt so strongly about yesterday.

ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ I made one post in the day phase prior to that and I was still trying to get my head back into the game. My one post before that was saying I doubted panzer's claim when he was still claiming third party. This is a flagrant lie.

[catboi]

yeah, tipsy and catboi are scum together, we've known that since before the shiro lynch dude, it doesn't really matter cause the most of the town players are shittos or barely not afk.

Yes, the inactive town is just unconsciously moving toward wagoning two scum players, that is definitely a thing that is happening. What a fucking asinine statement.

kinda starting to lean towards panzer being town

VOTE: beeboy

not whelmed by this and the VT thing from maria seems like it makes him scummier from a setup perspective

If you're going to talk about leashing the vig shot, you really need to actually give instruction to Titus here because right now I think it's headed in a bad direction.

[catboi]

(っ- ‸ – ς) Does anyone like...want to actually talk? Someone give me something to work with here.

[catboi]

Happy scum day beeboy o7

have you read anything yet

[catboi]

okay just checking. if you want to ask me anything go ahead this game is dead and no one's doing anything so i'll talk to anyone who'll give me their time

[catboi]

I think Tipsy was playing to her scum meta, I am not saying I am any better but it's kinda what happened.
And I am not going to pretend that's not the case.

can you possibly explain this in any more detail? this is extremely vague.

[catboi]

they didn't seem that lurky and their reads were where i was at at the time, if you had an issue with that read why not ask them about it when they were still in the game

[catboi]

Do you have a reason to town read the slot because I couldn't even tell you who came before Tipsy in all honesty.

not strongly but a lot of their views on the game were similar to my own and they didn't want to lynch me day 1 and i am infallibly weak to to that given the stubborn shittiness of the votes against me. i'm not sure i see a reasonable team that fits with tipsy's slot at this point.

[catboi]

Is there any way we can make this game be fastpaced?

i've been trying to post but it's basically dead air

[catboi]

titus do you have reads or anything, at this point i'm not sure i know what you actually think about the game

[catboi]

I'm not an inventor, I have a 1-shot targeted night action that's either doc protect/kill someone who kills the person i targeted/make the person I targeted an auction doublevoter the next day. I don't know which power I'm using, I just pick from one of the 3 starter pokemon. I was going to burn it on panzer tonight if I lived because I don't see much use for it otherwise but I'm starting to get sick of him.

Not going to bother engaging with jks at this point because he's clearly being disingenuous to try to wind me up.

[catboi]

i literally do not know which is which, please read the rest of the post. i get 1 use of the power for the whole game, not one of each.

[catboi]

I lowkey feel there's a chance titus is scum and we should just bumrush vote her out. this whole vig shot things seems incredibly cointrived and performative.

I don't townread her and found her answer to my asking about her reads to be evasive, so.

[catboi]

I lowkey feel there's a chance titus is scum and we should just bumrush vote her out. this whole vig shot things seems incredibly cointrived and performative.

I don't townread her and found her answer to my asking about her reads to be evasive, so.

You also voted for her to have audition tho...zzzz

Yeah because I was going along with the leashed vig concept at the time (and tbh I didn't realize how soon the audition closed). Felt like it was a chance to prove herself but now I'm skeptical. It was probably an error in hindsight, and okay, part of that is the suggestion we chain kill ari/me which i'm not okay with

[catboi]

like in a hypothetical scenario where we eliminate aristophanes and he flips town are people going to re-evaluate me or just keep clinging to the same lazy reads

[catboi]

like in a hypothetical scenario where we eliminate aristophanes and he flips town are people going to re-evaluate me or just keep clinging to the same lazy reads

Until you give better reasons for who scum is then I'll stick to my lazy reads <3

i'm not convinced you're reading the game at all so why bother

[catboi]

i don't know what to say to that? i think that is

fine

as long as you actually listen. i don't really townread you but if the sshot's directed it's fine as i've said. are you expecting some controversial commentary there because i don't have any

[catboi]

i don't know what to say to that? i think that is

fine

as long as you actually listen. i don't really townread you but if the sshot's directed it's fine as i've said. are you expecting some controversial commentary there because i don't have any

I was expecting some sort of reaction to the fact I still have my vig shot

and

gave a gun to chemist.

...i did not interpret what you said to mean that

[catboi]

my hottest take is probably that i don't townread jks off his claim (which i think is why he's getting a pass) and think there's scum in him/DK. i think jks's push on me over the last few pages has been disingenuous (although historically i have not had great success when i am town in determining who is scum pushing me vs town that is simply wrong). i guess maybe i am off on panzer? at this point i would shed 0 tears even if he died and flipped town though. recent posts from beeboy are kind of off. i really think the tipsy-slot is just kind of independent and don't feel the scumreads there based on everyone pushing it? i need to go back and pull evidence for that though but i feel like they're anti-associated with most people which means they're just town.

[catboi]

VOTE: panzer

gg scum.

Probs MariaR Aripsy and Catboi. Titus is just an egotistical shitto. ditto Mastina. Beeboy probably just bad. DK open Troll. Creature sucks per usual.

JKS, sorry that you are going to lose, you deserve better.

lol jks is obv scum moron

[catboi]

dk's vote is also seriously scummy but people have decided they just want to le him win for doing nothing i guess even tho we were magically able to flashwagon shiro and no one is questioning the discrepancy there

[catboi]

to be clear i would votw panzer solely for him being a shit at this point but he's probably not flipping red

[catboi]

I know this is not really on the table anymore but I said I would do it, so with regard to the tipsy slot:

535 547 551 615 629 tipsy's first push on replacing in was on battle mage and interactions here would suggest they're non-aligned, they went pretty strong after one another in a way I wouldn't expect of a partner replacing in

570 is shading titus based on sujimichi's posts, 1076 is i think not how they respond to a partner day 2 with their opening votes

907 is trying to get a vote on donkey kong instead of me EoD1 and I don't think tipsy is inclined to bus to save me from a misyeet in that scenario

both panzer and beeboy have been calling for a vote on tipsy for pretty bad reasons

So about the only people they make sense as being paired with are maria and the creature slot? But I don't really scumread either of those slots and probably not together. So I don't see Tipsy as having a likely partner anywhere and panzer can cry and moan about how obviously this means we're partners but...i'm town so i do not care at all

[catboi]

i hammered, learn to count.

good riddance, then

[catboi]

I popped my night action on Maria as the claimed watcher. Probably ought to be voting Titus.

[catboi]

oh the audition bonus on the deimos slot was only until the end of night 1

seriously god damn it i didn't read that, not that it would have mattered

[catboi]

HEAL: Creature

[catboi]

agreed

[catboi]

Okay so I was blocked.

We know Chemist wouldn't shoot Mastina so either he was blocked as well or never got a gun. Hm

The redirect option is there but it doesn't explain no kill from titus and I kind of think it just has to be Titus at this point

2 people did die but does a scum vig really make sense? Let me sit on that

As an audition bonus? it's plausible.

[catboi]

god i wish i'd remembered the day 1 audition bonus was 1 night only

[catboi]

why titus, out of anyone that night?

[catboi]

can you fullclaim please

[catboi]

no. i guess that's fair for you to wait.

[catboi]

there's almost certainly three scum in a role madness game

please restate your role abilities in one post, you claimed piecemeal yesterday

[catboi]

There's no reason for scum!Titus to shoot Chemist here unless beeboy is scum too. If I shoot beeboy, then I get "conftown" status from Chemist and mastina.

that doesn't even make sense

[catboi]

There's no reason for scum!Titus to shoot Chemist here unless beeboy is scum too. If I shoot beeboy, then I get "conftown" status from Chemist and mastina.

that doesn't even make sense

Think about what happens if scum!Titus provably shoots beeboy. Chemist and Mastina vouch for her as town.

So there's no reason for scum!Titus not to shoot beeboy unless beeboy is also scum.

All roads lead to beeboy scum.

i mean...he flips town and then then you're in mylo and have to push someone else instead and mastina was scumreading you and would probably vote you

[catboi]

I really have no idea how to apply setup spec to a role madness game

[catboi]

given the very short audition deadline and the general deadness of this game i'd prefer it if people just went now, rather than later

[catboi]

do you have any regular abilities

[catboi]

ok w/e i'm not voting you today so idc

[catboi]

beeboy, creature, jks (if he has things he hasn't outed), donkey kong (forget about this one happening)

[catboi]

i mean if we lose a significant part of it is going to be not mustering up the will to just vote titus yesterday (and i'm just as guilty of that as anyone)

[catboi]

lmfao

[catboi]

HEAL: Aristophanes

was going to switch to maria because i realized i shouldn't be clinging to that early game read too hard but w/e

also if it wasn't clear i'm probably voting beeboy after that claim

[catboi]

can you claim

[catboi]

you, duh

[catboi]

ok that was what i figured mikul was doing

[catboi]

well

[catboi]

i don't think the hammer should matter for the audition bonus anyway, hopefully. DK was flagrantly setting that hammer up, right? i could see beeboy flubbing the claim intentionally to save titus but i dunno

[catboi]

wait to see his role card, anyway, and that should help make more sense of things

[catboi]

Did he claim anything?

no, and he's done nothing this game but lurk hard, troll, and occasionally write nonsense that says little to justify scummy votes. so yeah.

[catboi]

you already have more posts than him, just read his ISO, you can probably do it before the mod wakes up

[catboi]

i'd like to think i'd be a better leader or at the least make sure he gets his night actions correct. that's why i kind of wonder if it was an intentional error. my read on that slot really sucked, though. aristophanes definitely not a captain, he's been just as lost, and i think beeboy spewed him town. jks could fit the spot but i'm feeling like i might have been omgus-tunneled there. maria from what i know would fit that role, but again she was the one who called him out, hard to see it going down that way if they're teamed.

[catboi]

Ishizuka Unshou's fanclub/power is Ookido Yukinari from pokemon

[catboi]

Would shoot DK here tbh unless we get something useful out of that slot, which I doubt is happening

If Chemist had a gun, he was almost certainly shooting here, especially after the way D2 ended. (Also, mastina was in pretty much the same place as Chemist with regards to Donkey Kong.)

There's a number of reasons I could see scum role blocking a watcher/tracker N2 (including just the possibility that MariaR went rogue and watched/tracked someone else). But the only way scum ever interferes with Chemist's shot is if Donkey Kong is scum (and a role block isn't the only way it could have been prevented).

are you going to explain what the reason you had to think DK was town was?

[catboi]

thinking about how ttjt was kinda obvscum and i came in and had to contrarian read him like an idiot

[catboi]

Glad you agree so you won't feel bad if I do
VOTE: Catboi

this right?

well not anymore since it's not mylo but i want to hear whatever role related stuff people have to out

[catboi]

I want to know why no kill happened last night

I have nothing to offer on that, i burned my 1-shot on night 2

[catboi]

This is very ???

[catboi]

Actually, I don't fully trust it at the moment even if it did come from Aristophanes, since if he's telling the truth, I'm trying to imagine what sort of power scum would have to counter-act town power in this game and investigation immunity seems like a pretty obvious one.

Donkey Kong should really claim today regardless.

If it's not ari then it's probable it's just a scum mailman who fakeclaimed to you (esp. given the obvious waste of a cop check on that slot?)

[catboi]

Can say this is not out of character for Aristophanes replacing into a long game as town, from what I've seen. Have no idea how you'd sort that from scum but still maintain circumstantial evidence suggests more likely town than not to me.

Ari, do you have any insight into what could have caused the lack of a kill?

[catboi]

She said she has no powers with beeboy dead, effectively. I assume her audition bonus is the same as beeboy and shiro's, which makes it effectively useless.

I know I have not a lot of credibility right now, bu I should mention that having used my power, my audition bonus gives me a 1-shot doctor power. If someone believes they have a better use for the audition bonus, they are free to take it although the macho modifier presents an obvious complication.

[catboi]

god bless you

[catboi]

I got a double vote the day before for...no reason?

I gave you the double audition vote, I claimed it yesterday. I figured I would protect you as the claimed watcher and chose the 1/3 of my powers that had no effect on someone being targeted, but it at least confirms my role

[catboi]

Ǐ̸͐͆͜ ̴̧̩̱̝̑́̏͝͠n̵͕̣͛e̴̗̟̅̍v̷̤̳̂́e̶̮̖̠͘͜ŕ̵̢̳̪͇̹̀̒̀ ̴̨̨̳͂͛̕͝r̵̻̰̺͇͎̐͝e̵̬̩̿̓̑͘ḁ̵̡̯̪͈͗l̸̨̛̬̱̪͋́ļ̷̼̬̰̜͆̀̇y̷̜̙̟͊͜ ̵͕̅̀ḻ̴̞̥͕̽ͅi̸̝̅͘k̸̤̪̱̰̇̏̆͘͝e̴̢̛͂̑̔d̷̢̤̒ ̵̫̝̪͎̼̌a̶̛̞̩̯͓͋̐n̴̲̞̒̾i̷̢̅̅͝͝m̸̯̈͑͝ë̴̩̈ ̷͇͕̜͎͇̓̋͆̑͘a̸̫̺͉͚͆́n̴̄̋ͅy̵̡̘͍̟̙͛̍̌w̴̜̱̩̔a̴̞͕̒ỳ̸̯̯͠

((((；゜Д゜)))

VOTE: MariaR

[catboi]

oh uh if people want to give me the 1-shot doc from the audition, I'll take it? Can I get that now?

[catboi]

who do i doc

[catboi]

well at least some people had fun

[catboi]

i guess i had fun for a few days realtime when i started but that was a long time ago

[catboi]

I mean it seems kinda obvious atp

[catboi]

MariaR not voting Ari is odd. Her flail doesn't look like townflail.

she scumclaimed

[catboi]

anyway uhhh sorry for sucking this game

[catboi]

eh you tried, i just got petulant from being frustrated

[catboi]

so the factional kill doesn't prevent other actions. to be clear.

[catboi]

(－‸ლ) If he'd just asked me...

1. I targeted jks because after looking at day 1 VCs I felt Battle Mage was probably not teamed with maria
2. DK sent me his mailman message last night (idk why me of all people)

[catboi]

Is 307 enough to townclear creature? Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

[catboi]

(=^-ω-^=) Outside of role related stuff I can find reasons to call other people town where I obviously can't do that for DK

[catboi]

I guess early distancing isn't impossible and 558 is much less clearing in how he acted toward mikul. Blah.

249 542 671 are from maria on battle mage. beeboy also placed a basically empty vote on him in 716 although he moved away shortly after in 728. Not really as clearing as I'd like to see but she was fairly early on the wagon and I'd think the early inclination would not be to bus.

[catboi]

Everyone has already claimed

[catboi]

who do i doc

So this is the problem.

Can't self-doc.
Don't waste it on a BP townie.
jks and Creature are town enough to warrant it.
Titus and DK are not.

So you have your pool of 2-3 people (if you want to use it on me for the hell of it).

I'd like to see one of the two in my scumpool get shot but I guess that's not a thing.
Is Titus still a Vig or nah? She should def shoot DK if so.

[catboi]

VOTE: Donkey Kong

yeah fuck this

[catboi]

wonder if it's the scummy lurker with the scummy votes who's openly lying about the dead player and sent mail messages faking a cop clear on himself

i wonder

[catboi]

definitely sounds like someone leaving instructions to dk during the night, right

[catboi]

game is easy, everyone else is town, don't clear someone for dumb role related reasons in a role madness setup, we don't know who chemist was shooting, etc etc

[catboi]

yeah no i don't shoot him here ever, gtfo with that garbage

[catboi]

transparent distortion from the lying little troll who suuuudenly gets REAL SERIOUS when people start to actually look his way

[catboi]

fuck off dickhead

[catboi]

you are fucking cancer

[catboi]

that post wasn't even that harsh, at all, but you're TRYING to work me into a tilt because you're mafia but guess what you're not going to win this

[catboi]

spent all fucking game screaming about how the trolling/feigned incompetence is lurk cover from someone who is very obviously an alternate account and just using it as lurk cover but people on this site like letting people win by doing nothing and instead argue about panzerhager and tipsy who i at least correctly townread but now finally people have no option but to listen

[catboi]

like in the end you get to laugh regardless becaue you spent minimal effort in this game, pissed me off, and people wouldn't even vote you, but i don't fucking care, i'm getting you strung up and when it happens i will laugh

[catboi]

If you're town you should probably unvote. Either way, I can tell that you're frustrated and your head is hot but I'm here for you. Just close your eyes, imagine the Donkey Kong rap, and everything will be alright, cat dude. You feel me?

nah, die

[catboi]

little reminder that i helped push ari to win the auction vote that saved town a mislynch while this guy came in and put beeboy to E-1 to selfhammer to try to stop the audition

[catboi]

you've been fucking openwolfing for like 4 days straight and i will cry tears of joy when you die

[catboi]

nah i'm not clearing anyone of off nebulous night action garbage, this naivete from you is so obviously fake

[catboi]

Is this scum theatre?

There is 1 mafia left, creature

of course, I do not believe for a second that donkey kong actually believes that it is lylo, and if you think that he does, I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you

[catboi]

ask yourself if the obvious alternate account with a clear knowledge of mechanics is somehow also incompetent enough to not know how many mafia are left in the game, or if he's *GASP* faking dumbtells

[catboi]

also fwiw, I am confirmed as having taken an action night 2 as well. ask yourself if this game feels like a mechanical lock.

(man i suck at being a power role)

[catboi]

Idk, Donkey is confirmed to be mailman

And I'm confirmed to have given maria an extra auction vote on night 2 (oops). Do you think it's jks or Titus? Because I do not think it is either of those and would prefer to look at the dayplay of the objectively scummy liar who is faking dumbtells. just a thought.

Depression is making this super hard. Can someone type of all the claims?

me: randomized 1-shot on a player i choose (doc/bomb/auction doublevoter+bonus vote). used on mariaR night 2.
creature:

I think I have a day ability that lets me get the mod to post videos of japanese music, but I'm not using it at all. I also have two confusing 1-shot abilities I assume to be protect and roleblock.

jks: controlled the auction bonuses? not sure if there was anything else.
dk: mailman
titus: gave a vig to chemist/got a vig from the auction bonus that was redirected by beeboy

[catboi]

so if you don't think it's him what's your solve supposed to be here

b/c if maria is scum with titus she does not push the titus/beeboy theory on day 3 and instead hangs him to clear titus i'm p sure

[catboi]

like shit man maybe it's the guy who isn't trying to solve at all

[catboi]

Depression is making this super hard. Can someone type of all the claims?

also, hope you fee better soon, forgot to say, sorry

but! objectively this game is in a much better position now than it was two days ago, we have mafia flips to work off, there's only one left, this doesn't need to be hard anymore!

[catboi]

Oh yeah, for some reason I had it in my head it was lylo even though I know there's 1 mafia left alive. Ignore me.

bull

fucking

shi

[catboi]

beeboy had a passive power so it's not like its out of the question

[catboi]

titus does the recipient of your gun know it will kill them if they do not use it

[catboi]

It's a role madness game and redirectors are common in that type of setup?

[catboi]

[shrug] I thought they were. It was also one of the things that plausibly explained the extra kill on town. But, like, I wouldn't even bring up the possibility at all if I was mafia? I would just say you had to be lying.

[catboi]

i also would hope you would understand that to that point i had pretty goddamn good reason to suspect you

[catboi]

would just like to reiterate, for those who do not remember:

>I fullclaimed on day 1
>I am confirmed to have used my night action on maria on night 2
>I would have no reason to roleblock a vig that was likely to kill town

[catboi]

Depression is making this super hard. Can someone type of all the claims?

me: randomized 1-shot on a player i choose (doc/bomb/auction doublevoter+bonus vote). used on mariaR night 2.
creature:

I think I have a day ability that lets me get the mod to post videos of japanese music, but I'm not using it at all. I also have two confusing 1-shot abilities I assume to be protect and roleblock.

jks: controlled the auction bonuses? not sure if there was anything else.
dk: mailman
titus: gave a vig to chemist/got a vig from the auction bonus that was redirected by beeboy

Do I need to bold it?

[catboi]

FWIW, I would not pay that much attention to claims at this point, I think the solve is fairly simple from actually looking at the game. Should I lay out a case?

[catboi]

by "actually looking at the game" I just mean evaluating posts and what the flipped scum were doing

[catboi]

I don't understand how, outside of roleclaims, you could townread him. He has been scumtelling left and right. I don't really think maria floats the idea of titus and beeboy as a team if they actually are a team. There are extremely good reasons to believe battle mage and maria were unaligned as well.

[catboi]

nvm i just re-looked at titus's ISO with regard to maria and I'm not really comfortable calling her definite town anymore

[catboi]

I can see a world with Titus/Beeboy with Titus not wanting me to track her but if that was the case scum already knew I tracked Titus n1 so I wouldn't be able to do it again.

I was roleblocked Titus don't know what else to tell you. Roleblocker some kind of rolestopper I don't know. But at the moment the most logical scum team to me is you+beeboy

I guess I'll wait for the others but I'm trying to see what the world is with only 1 of beeboy/Titus scum.

If beeboy is scum and titus is town we had 3 ways of killing scum
If titus is scum and beeboy is town scum had a vig and no way of knowing about a cop/tracker that we're aware of.

Both of these seem pretty reachy

Titus if I was scum all I'd do is guilty you and then win off the ml. Sadly I'm town so this game isn't as easy.

These were her posts with regard to titus I was referencing

[catboi]

This is part where I'm supposed tp post updated content but I don't have much to give. Who wants to bounce some ideas off

Me. If you had a vig pool of 3 players, who would you pick?

MariaR, what are your reads? Who would you leash me to? Do you feel mastina is correct in that Panzer is scum? Why is your vote still on Ari?

Why me Titus? Need a helping hand?

My vote was still on Ari purely because I forgot to be honest. Panzer could be scum but that read is more in relation to my own role more than anything else given I like the Tipsy push.

I want everyone on record. I am going to likely follow what the conftown say. Getting everyone on record gives people an opportunity to persuade conftown and gives associatives. So if you could answer your hypothetical vig pool, that would be great.

Go on about the Panzer could be scum. I think he's a scared opportunist.

Aww I was silently wishing you were asking me because you townread me.
pedit: It's not bastard, you should be able to get at what I'm hinting at though.

Suppose that I am wearing my dunce cap. Refresh my recollection.

For the future, unless I am frustrated, I ask more open ended questions to my null and scumreads unless I need everyone on record. I use tailored questions with townreads to persuade or scumreads to make a point.

Although, that makes me think only 1 of Panzer/beeboy are probably scum because the counter to my role would be beeboy

Why can't Panzer be scum and beeboy be your counter?

I'm tempted to claim to help clear up my beeboy/Panzer theory but I'd only feel comfortable if I got help solving them/we did something about it. Scum may already know my role

Mastina, Chemist please comment

Based on the KPN, I would recommend sorting this out. We're lynching Panzer and I am leashed to vig beeboy.

Okay so, I'm in a pt with beeboy/Shiro

My role is a tracker+watcher combo. I watch/track my combo but my results must be posted in that pt. If they both die I lose my powers. There's also something else that makes no sense in claiming.

If beeboy dies at night, do you get your results in the PT that night?

If so, you could track and watch me. That would prevent scum from roleblocking me. You might also watch chemist.

Yeah I still get my results if beeboy dies at night

Ok, I gave Chemist a gun. He needs to be watched actually. This is regardless of who I am leashed to. Chemist needs to be protected. I had to make a choice between him and mastina. Since mastina has floated shooting me, I picked Chemist.

This is why I said Creature's calculations are off. He wasn't factoring in another town killing.

I would have held off but I don't think I am living longer.

Is this what you are referring to? How is this at all conclusive and not just more performative bullshit. Totally right in switching to just skimming and not actually reading this trash.

My gun giving is a day action.

Whenever the mod shows up, they should PM Chemist with a notification of my gift.

Originally I wanted Chemist to keep quiet as I had no way to protect him. With MariaR's claim, she can watch Chemist to ensure no one stops him without claiming scum.

It leaves scum, assuming they have a roleblocker with four scenarios.

First, roleblock Chemist. This will get scum outed because MariaR will be watching Chemist.

Second, roleblock MariaR. Town get two KPN tonight.

Third, roleblock me and claim that my audition bonus was a lie. This is by far the best scenario for scum as it sets up a mislynch. That's why I had to be a VT by then.

Fourth, scum don't have an rb or block elsewhere. Two confirmed KPN and no scum guilites. The mislynch pool narrows down dramatically. Scum probably still push me there, but it's harder given Chemist got a gun from me.

MariaR, who is scum? Someone blocked Chemist. Someone else Docced beeboy.

I know this looks terrible for me.

quotedump part 1 of interactions. this looks sort of legit for the most part? but not impossible to fake.

[catboi]

There's pretty much nothing in any of the scum ISOs about Donkey Kong or TrueSoulEnergy. The names come up a couple times but that's about it. Panther and Fox mentioned him once in passing ("I am uncertain of his alignment so far, yet I sincerely hope that he is town") and beeboy voted him but switched to Shiro not that long after. It's pretty much a wash in terms of associations.

Reading MariaR's ISO makes me feel pretty good about catboi being town though. I don't think the way they were interacting together looks like scum-scum.

Both scum basically treated him like plutonium, they wouldn't touch him. beeboy through a vote on DK day 1 for being "fluffy" but it was a late end of day vote that IIRC had basically no chance of going through.

[catboi]

I just wanna confirm something really quick.
@Titus you shot beeboy and you're sure chemist got a gun correct?

Yes. I submitted chemist getting a gun and shooting beeboy. Chemist gun had to be used that night or he died. That's why I insisted you watch Chemist.

It's probably beeboy plus MariaR or beeboy plus mod fuck up. I don't see two roleblockers as a possibility. Beeboy was likely doctored.

I know my lynch is likely required. I don't like it though. I still won't be in lylo which is why I made myself a VT anyway.

Would Chem die if he was roleblocked with the vig?

My role pm doesn't explicitly say. If you were roleblocked, Chemist being roleblocked makes no sense.

If you're town, the mod forgot to tell Chemist about the day vig condition which is bastard modding. So he held and died.

Of course, my action was a day action the mod resolved at the end of the phase and didn't tell me.

I was roleblocked Titus don't know what else to tell you. Roleblocker some kind of rolestopper I don't know. But at the moment the most logical scum team to me is you+beeboy

Great, then let's lynch beeboy together. The remarkable thing is we don't have to trust each other and it nets us a scum. If beeboy flips bulletproof, then my claim gets some validation.

Doesn't seem fake? I don't think, anyway.

[catboi]

OOYAMA NOBUYO is my flavor.

We resolved the mystery of where my shot went. We still have MariaR's claim of being roleblocked and Creature's shot not going through.

I struggle with both solutions. On one hand, Chemist being roleblocked and MariaR lying is the simplest solution.

Yet, MariaR's result would have implicated me resulting in a mislynch. Then scum would mislynch her for lying about the results. So why block MariaR at all? Of course if MariaR is scum, claiming that I honestly visited Chemist against my will results in her lynch anyway after mine. So there is a scum incentive to claiming blocked.

Even with that confusion, that still leaves the question of where Chemist's shot went. Given the macho modifier, we likely have a doctor/jailkeeper of unknown alignment somewhere.

Titus if I was scum all I'd do is guilty you and then win off the ml. Sadly I'm town so this game isn't as easy.

That's part of the problem. Why would scum block you if you would have seen me going to Chemist? You'd claim an honest guilty. Unless

Mod: Would beeboy's ability, if used, be visible to a tracker/watcher?

These posts after beeboy dies and we start day 4 are less good. Suddenly seems somewhat protective of Titus.

HURT: MariaR

I am resting based off setup spec that MariaR is town. Now that she's basically a VT, she's a good audition bonus for macho. Offer scum a VT kill guaranteed or a gamble to shoot a PR.

HURT: catboiMariaR not voting Ari is odd. Her flail doesn't look like townflail.

Supposing MariaR is scum, then if she does not flip roleblocker, we can infer the last scum is a roleblocker.

We can further eliminate anyone with a proven role.

And these posts I don't like at all. Second just looks fake.

[catboi]

beeboy threw shade titus's way a fair number of times, but there was never anything serious that would make me say they're definitely unaligned

[catboi]

Reading 1512 reminds me...

When beeboy bumbled his fake-claim, my first instinct was that it was actually planned. I think at the time it was between Titus and beeboy? I don't remember which way people were thinking of voting at the time (I think Titus maybe?), but then beeboy came out with a ridiculous fake-claim that ended up having nothing to do with his actual role and he somehow missed the fact that there'd only been two night phases so far. I remember briefly thinking overnight that he did that as a way to pave a path for victory for Titus since one of them was going down and at least him flipping would provide something for Titus to work off due to his role.

I should probably go back and read how that went down again.

I had the same thought, I just wound up dropping it when maria was outed although I don't know that I should have. And in actuality maria pointing out that he slipped now makes it look definitely planned

[catboi]

Uhhh beeboy. You do know there's only been 2 nights correct?

Yeah 100% a planned slip, Lol.

[catboi]

UNVOTE:

Still have a lot of issues with dk but I need to mull it over I guess

[catboi]

If you didn't think he'd die why wouldn't you target him lmao

[catboi]

The target is supposed to be notified they were roleblocked?

[catboi]

maybe I'm naive, but I don't think Creature makes a claim that he knows will be immediately contradicted here as mafia?

[catboi]

Well if that's the choice you're offering me, I'm voting creature. Don't think battle mage and maria were aligned based on early game interactions and jks has been a lot more town.

[catboi]

I don't remember jks doing shit this game.

How would you even know?

[catboi]

The other player whose posting I found unsightly was Battle Mage's. In particular, his early aggression seems at odds with his reaction mastina's claim - namely the empty unvote. Battle Mage, if you were so willing to try and pressure us before your mastina vote, why were you unwilling to return there after the Mason claim changed your mind?

This was panther and fox's 3rd post.

Good morning everyone. I see Panther has already arrived, so now I'll attempt to relay my thoughts as well.

Tuxedo Mask was the scumread we both agreed on, I heavily disliked the way he approached his question Holden. It seems quite clear that it was a reaction test, and he never posted a response to Holden's answer until he was later called out on this post. I also don't think the dayvig test Holden used on him was likely to work, as the odds of Holden actually daykilling a player so early into the game was close to zero. I found his mastina vote underwhelming as well, so I'd be interested to see how he reacts to mastina's latest posts.

The other player whose posting I found unsightly was Battle Mage's. In particular, his early aggression seems at odds with his reaction mastina's claim - namely the empty unvote. Battle Mage, if you were so willing to try and pressure us before your mastina vote, why were you unwilling to return there after the Mason claim changed your mind?

I can't say that I feel great about all of mastina's reads, but how they apply their logic seems consistent right now. I think that if mastina is scum, they'll struggle to maintain this consistency and it will become clear with time.

The hydra is giving me crap now!?

I've just been playing around and testing the water. I can't even remember how it went down. I imagine maybe I unvoted when I saw the mason claim because it's a stupid thing for scum to fakeclaim. Then later I changed my mind maybe and thought it would be worth pressuring her for a full claim. Then I got pocketted and Tux literally claimed scum, so clearly that's the priority elimination. Although I could easily jump to Shiro if that got some lubrication. If your question above is literally "why am i not voting for you?" it's because I have more important things to do than policy lynch hydras.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Sorry Fox! I'm taking control of this vote for now.

~Panther

VOTE: Battle Mage

I'm ready to ascend.

Lynch Mastina tomorrow though, or I'll haunt you.

So you're just, ready to go? No final reads or anything at all?

~Panther

So you're just, ready to go? No final reads or anything at all?

~Panther

Mastina-Shiro-Tipsy is the easy solve. I'm just a bit bored but I don't wanna make the Mod find another replacement. Although it does end my run of never getting lynched before Day 3 in 2020 - RIP.

This is just not how a partner acts in response to another partner. I'm not buying it. The immediate selfvote in response doesn't seemlike a partnery thing or I'd expect her to have been more annoyed. I also don't see Maria trying to bus on day 1 unprompted. She left my wagon and panzer's wagon to make that vote, doubt she jumps to a teammate's wagon when it wasn't that strong a wagon.

[catboi]

Causing myself unreasonable stress over this stupid game.

VOTE: Titus

not much else makes sense here and I don't see there being some phantom roleblock scum would use to protect a town player. Back to thinking beeboy went down intentionally to validate his flip and tthis were directed toward the 'shot' being on beeboy the day prior. also not really feeling the likelihood of multiple vig powers in a setup.