Open 790 | Purgatory | Game Over!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm the tracker. Word321 targeted (INSERT DEAD TOWNIE HERE) last night. We should eliminate him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Floortile, i like the way you think. Hectic is always trustworthy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So sorry miss, but mr nice guy is gone. Hectic challenged me he would snipe any alt i'd make in the future. So BLAM, i point it out when i see it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I need to know if you're kidding or not about your guessing skilz.

Are you talking about my alt-guessing skills?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is your text rosa

[NorwegianboyEE]

BWAHAHAHA!

...Sorry what’s this about demonic? :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

Isis you just ignored my question in favour of talking about cards. WHY is your text Purply?

[NorwegianboyEE]

what do you think of my demonread EE
pretty impressive right

It’s very Hectic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everyone else seems very mellow to me so I don't have super strong opinions across the board on them.

I am very hurt by that Hayasaka.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are y’all trying to gove GC an aneurysm with these colored text?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Has anyone played on this setup before?
Are there any strategies regarding this? As mafia and as town

I have. In another forum.
I played as scum in a 5 man team. D1 we bussed 1 scum, and then consequently heavened 2 people. We needed 1 moe but after that we got screwed by associations. It’s a hard setup for scum so i’m assuming they will try to muddy associations. Town should just play like town, not much difference there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Chtylla you seem a bit more confident than ususl. Is it because you are an eldritch abomination for whom human emotions are an foreign concept. Or does it have to do with me FINALLY seeing something new about you based on rand?

[NorwegianboyEE]

In your game norwee did that occur?

Yeah i self-voted myself into heaven actually. I was the 2nd one in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No reason for town to not self-vote themselves in too. It’s +wincon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Although i guess it’d be valuable to see who else would vote them in there, or maybe they’d intentonally not go in so we could treat them as conf!town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Some stronger town players intentionally stayed behind in that game, refusing to be heavened because they wanted to be in the game thread and solve. That’s a good town strategy right there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Some stronger town players intentionally stayed behind in that game, refusing to be heavened because they wanted to be in the game thread and solve. That’s a good town strategy right there.

That's stupid, heavened players get to solve in judgment day. That's backerds

But they don’t get to impact or comment on what’s going on in the main thread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess it's a choice of preference, do you want someone you strongly townread to go up to heaven where they can make the right decision if the rest of us suck and we end up on doomsday.
Or do we keep them here to lead us blind sheep to greener pastures.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes, that is the question,
Now another question,
How much will a person follow until game end as a martyr.
They have been eliminated and I think there might be a psychological competent to that.
Norwee, when you are eliminated, and have checked the dead thread, what is the next thing you do?

I read the game thread every now and then to see what's going on. If i'm scum, whether my team is winning. If i'm town, just reading to see the outcome.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright, fair answer.
How closely would you say you read the thread?

Well, usually i read it all the way through. But maybe i skip some of the longer more boring posts? Depends on the entertainment value of the game though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

got a Norwee read on Norwee

Good to know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Body snatch has been successful, they don't suspect a thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Body snatch has been successful, they don't suspect a thing.

i'm used to your avatars going through this cycle of ones i've seen before
this new one is confusing me
will it be added to the cycle?

Uhh, i guess? Unless i find a new one i like.
My philosophy is to just keep an avatar until i get sick of looking at it and replace it with whatever new or old i wanna change it to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

More votes on Word, please.

I'd consider it, but Hectic is acting all Chuuni and i need to know if it's scum indicative or not.
VOTE: Cthylla

[NorwegianboyEE]

EE you've seen me gimmick all the time
eg posting like i learnt English from a llama as Hoctac in that large game
and then i got killed N1 lol
or posting with anime reaction images as Hel
i could go on

you really think the change in style could be scum-indicative?
sorry ! this just gets to me soemtimes because some people like Titus scumread me in every game because they see a change in playstyle and associate that with me being scum
it's a sigh ?_?

Except this has less to do with your gimmick and more to do with the strength of your reads. You usually seem less sure about people's alignments than you're letting on here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Where do you cross the border between gimmick play and playstyle change Hectic?

[NorwegianboyEE]

EE is demonic btw cuz sniping alts is a slight scumtell
just something ez to talk about and demons will care less about the person wanting to keep identity hidden cuz they're not thinking of that they're just thinking of how they look

VOTE: EE

What are the odds that Cthylla misreading my comment as a show of "unreasonable confidence" was em telling on emself.

What are the odds that Hectic was annoyed at me for outing his alt because he was afraid he'd get exposed by a meta tell so easily?

[NorwegianboyEE]

"Acting" sure about reads isn’t something i’d consider townie at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s the general vibe i’ve been getting from you. Although i guess when you played as Hel you also had a similar-ish way of playing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess if you insist on yourself being unreadable i’ll have to consider finding other means of investigating you.
VOTE: Word321
What’s your read on Word Chtulhu?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, Clidd?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'll have a confidence meter at the bottom of any reads for your benefit Norwee
i'm just a generous guy like that

Those are nice, but to increase my amusement can you instead make a Geiger counter type confidence exclamation where the more confident you are, the more rapidly you start beeping?

Clidd is town. (BEEP - BEEP - BEEP)
Word is scummy. (BEEP... - BOP... - BEEP...)

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you saying that anger= not bad faith?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you agree with me on G.C or at least see what I see in those posts, Norwegian ?

I see what you mean about irritation in their posts, not sure if i agree with the conclusion of it being town indicative though. It seems NAI to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guess i'm on Chtulhu with this one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Another point is that he prolonged the discussion instead of leading our discussion to a point of

"I will not answer you anymore"

.

He wanted to prove me wrong, and added to the anger that you also detected, isn't a signal that it was coming from his pride ?

I see Scum!G.C colder than that.

Are you familiar with his scumgame? I don't know him that much, i've only played as scum against town!him in a nightless game earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, all my speculation is based on his towngames, so what I said about the Scum!G.C action line is imaginary.

If he has any scumgame in his profile, it's probably from years ago.

Going back to this, Norwegian, do you think what I said above is valid ?

I know that there is a greater margin of error when you don't have a scum game to compare, but I believe that the premise that each player tends to be colder in the scum alignment, by default, even if this difference is small, tends to be true.

The premise of scum being colder tends to be true for me sometimes, and considering GC’s personality he might be that type of person. I need to see more from the slot before i make up my mind on them though. I actually like Isis a bit more right now, i think their level of effort has been townie and unlikely for scum to do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It is true that scum needs to look very town in this setup to endgame, but Isis’s way of going about it seems genuine. They’re free-spirited and talking about other things than the game, showing they don’t just care about being TR. But they’ve also got some decent content.

Clidd/Isis my current TR’s.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Word’s push on you might be in bad faith. Pushing "talkativeness" as a scum trait always leaves me a bad taste in the mouth.

Btw, 318 and 319 isn’t likely posts that scum partners would make. Word-Cthulhu team seems less likely based on this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d like GC to explain if they’re still happy about their current vote based on what i’ve said and Isis’s content so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Word321

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s bad mkay, and we don’t do bad things. Because that would be baaaaad. Let’s do our utmost not to do this bad thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What kind of messed up view is that?
If we get 1 scumflip now it would help immensely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My nomination for the first town is Dannflor.

Alright. Tell me more about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My nomination for the first town is Dannflor.

Alright. Tell me more about it.

He doesn't strike me as being agenda driven this game. He is kind of just solving and doing his own thing I guess.

Do you think he is scum or do you just disagree with me having a town read here?
I don't feel that much stronger about anyone else.

I’m just a bit suspicious if you have an agenda for pushing this right now. But individually i also have a light TR on Dann.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i do get the meaning of the word; still, thank u for that, cause Im also not a native.
I mean what r u accusing me of, specifically?

Word, i'm not an native speaker either, but i usually don't bring that up unless i want to mask my mistakes as scum.
You're not that bad at it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Morning sunshine.
What's your read on Word right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Boiii

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now we can all talk like characters in a visual novel. Yay.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee what is the source of your clowngirl avatar?

You mean where i found the picture? Or where the character is from?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It seems to be a consistent character portrayed across many of your avatar selections so it must come from somewhere

Touhou project.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was Legolass and rekt you in the achievement race

You got pocketed hard in that game Cthylla. And then rekt by scum.
Achievements aren't everything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I saw Word online earlier but he didn't post anything. Pretty sure this is going to flip scum☆

[NorwegianboyEE]

nothing compared to me of course - i live in the 9th dimension

Actually, now that you've changed your style to anime you're living in the 2D realm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I saw Word online earlier but he didn't post anything. Pretty sure this is going to flip scum☆

In every scumgame you say something like that before a scum flip.

I place my bets every time a flip is about to happen. It's easy to judge from the player's reaction to imminent elimination. Visibly not saying anything is almost always proof that it won't flip town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you referring to me or Cthulhu now Clidd?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow that flavour text is amazing Morning tweet.
Flip less so.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I really like 450. And i was considering Isis my heaven candidate. But it might also be good to keep them in the game based on strategies i’ve said earlier.

And regarding heavening someone that’s "off-wagon" i’d like it if Hayasaka would explain if there’s a big reason why scum wouldn’t be outside the wagon. Because last i checked Word was pretty much a universal scumread and it’s highly likely some scum stated themselves scumreading Word but didn’t vote. Like Walter did in post 383 @Hayasaka. Did you consider that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gun to my head, i think i’d feel safest heavening one of Clidd/Isis because they are still my TR’s.
Would like more time before i decide anything though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hayasaka, you were in achievement. Remember that D1 lynch?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dann hasn't even been present or reacted to the flip yet. I wanna see them post too before i decide if he's a good heaven target or not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i was going to wait for Dann to post, but since you bring up Norwegian's point:

it's a bad point. A reaction post to a flip is not going to be AI.

Umm that’s not all i’m waiting for. Obviously he’d might reconsider some of his reads or make AI remarks. Voting to heavening a person that’s not even said anything yet is ??

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been on the fence if I truly want to be heavened. To some degree I view myself as a pretty competent player with good enough reads so I can trust myself to not make a shit call. But it's also not something I am sure I'd want to make all on my own since I think I'd allow myself to be unnecessarily swayed by the living which is just the worst thing a heavened player should do.

Ohhh, paranoia fuel. In the old game i played all the scum was like: "I don’t want to be heavened but..."

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i wanna heaven Clidd because they literally stated wanting to stay, making them a safe heaven target. It would suck to lose them though, but it’s the least likely chance of screwing up if we do him.
Alternatively maybe Isis. GC has been looking better but idk if i trust them as a heaven target yet. Maybe if Clidd is convinced they are better than Isis?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Clidd
But not a fixed vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok then.
VOTE: Green Crayon

@Isis I understand what you’re saying in your argument for Clidd. But think it’s better to respect their wish over all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Has there been games where Hectic doesn’t SR me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's easy to pocket Hectic, watch me do it right now.

Hey, Hectic! I like your tie!

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's not fair for Norwee to get as much practice as scum as he gets

Can i put your quote as my signature Isis?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I need more Walter and Dann in my life.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You two are like the forgettable background characters in this show.

[NorwegianboyEE]

FUCK. My guess at who your main is was wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You are actually doing less than you do as scum Norwee and idk how to parse it.

*bored grunt*

[NorwegianboyEE]

He also saw the light twitch of your left ringfinger whenever you placed a vote. It was a dead giveaway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Would scum!Dann admit to something that would seemingly diminish their towncred?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eh, i'm getting paranoid of GC too.
VOTE: Isis
Prefer this tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

"you're better this"

lol I'm 99% certain Norwegian-scum pulled that exact same shit on me in nightless

I can be quite the rough customer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, do you have a read on Cthulu

Mixed, i like the way they are detailing their mindset. But some of their reads i don't really understand, like saying it's scummy that i sniped his alt for example. Or his Isis read.
Also that hammer on Word seemed a bit iffy.
Tbh i've been considering if it's best to heaven GC, and if they're town we hell Hectic tommorow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just thought of something, what if Cthylla and GC is scum theatre.
After all, this game mode is all about anti-associations between scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, do you have a read on Cthulu

Mixed, i like the way they are detailing their mindset. But some of their reads i don't really understand, like saying it's scummy that i sniped his alt for example. Or his Isis read.
Also that hammer on Word seemed a bit iffy.
Tbh i've been considering if it's best to heaven GC, and if they're town we hell Hectic tommorow.

Do you think it's most likely they are T/S

Most likely yeah, but when Cthulhu agreed to the idea of heavening GC and then helling him the next day if it flips scum that was a thought that popped up in my head.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That thought mirrors exactly what I am thinking Norwee.
Why the long post from Gc out of nowhere?
At this point a gc flip would be quite informative in my opinion.

This is scummy and +equity with GC. Green Crayons is heavened and flips demon, and Walter can justify pushing for me the next day.

Who would you be ok with heavening and vice versa out of remaining players?

[NorwegianboyEE]

at least, I don't see it making sense unless a consensus town read like Hayasaka or clidd is scum, which I find unlikely

Why would it make sense only if that scenario?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That thought mirrors exactly what I am thinking Norwee.
Why the long post from Gc out of nowhere?
At this point a gc flip would be quite informative in my opinion.

This is scummy and +equity with GC. Green Crayons is heavened and flips demon, and Walter can justify pushing for me the next day.

Who would you be ok with heavening and vice versa out of remaining players?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What’s the VC? Looks like Haya’s piling on the votes so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh no. Not the self-hammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum was probably willingly putting Haya in there would be my guess. Walter might be off-wagon scum but not entirely sure if that’s the case.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Isis wanted Clidd. But i TR Clidd.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s hard for me to make sense of the events on this day with the current info given. Ironically i almost would have preferred a scum in heaven today because then i’d know what to look for. Now it’s 3v4 and i’m kinda clueless with how everyone seemed ok with voting anyone. I’m thinking the GC/Hectic 1v1 is the most likely TvS conflict here so i’d rather vote in here than just Walter. Walter could be scum with anyone imo, so if they maf i’m still unsure where to look.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hectic what do i get if i vote GC over u today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which mode do you prefer to play on Norwee?

If you're talking difficulty then Normal. But if i like the game then for subsequent playthrough's lunatic mode.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

This is mafia solving mode though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Danncharisma is a given with that fancy suit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I messed up the tags .

You mean perfected them? That looks real cool.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m tired and can’t parse this nonsense. Night.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Green Crayon
I would prefer this over Walter. There’s deepwolves somewhere. Only way to explain this "Everyone is so town omg this hard ;(" mood.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is anyone actually going to ask me questions to solve me though. I feel kinda excluded because y’all talking too much shit between each other and now i’m apparently suspected by PoE according to Dann over here. As well as Walter.
Like i was TR by GC, Isis and Clidd. Makes me wonder if they were just keeping me around for some reason. Hectic the only one that’s been actually scumreading me in an natural way which makes me believe he’s not alligned with whoever masterminds are behind this. I think Hectic is town and we should lynch GC based on this information. Dannflor has been keeping me null which seems more natural. Isis/Clidd might be worth reconsidering based on GC’s allignment. Been keeping it mostly to myself but there’s some bad mojo going on here man.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you think Walter is town?

Smells like low-hanging fruit to me. I wanna vote in GC/Hectic and i’m TR’ing Hectic more than GC right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You had Isis as super strong town enough to be heavenened last phase.

Can you talk about that read

I stand by my read at the time. But i don’t see any teams possible where Walter is just sticking out like a sore thumb. Which has made me paranoid of most of my TR’s. There has to be at least 1/2 scum in Isis/Clidd/GC/Dann from my POV and i think GC is the most sus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Looking back on it, i also think Isis’s responses to me wanting to heaven them was weird. So i’m denouncing that read.
Don’t agree with their current Cht push either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not sure i’m TR’ing you either Dann the man. Your nice suit ain’t fooling me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

it's just that if you and clidd are both town I am at a loss as to what scum's game plan is?

but I went down this road in the dance too and that's how I ended up thinking G5 and L1 were scum so maybe it is just as simple as like GC/Norwee/Walter

Specifically this felt kinda LAMIST.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want this game to be hard too badly

++

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wouldn’t be for eliminating you today regardless Clidd. But depending on other flips then i’ll reconsider you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're making sense as demon to me, Norwergian.

That’s cool.
It’s natural to go for easy bait if you TR scum. Makes sense as both alignments for you to suspect me here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is really fake ^

Why?
I thought you TR me before.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let's have a chat, why you are acting like "omg, everyone is a suspect, there is a major plot going on"

I don’t buy that all of You/Dann/Isis/GC are town and correctly TR’ing each other while scum is in somewhere like Hectic/Walter. Even if say Walter is scum that makes 2 mafia in the aforementioned group. And you’re saying it’s unnatural for me to recognize this fact?

[NorwegianboyEE]

you have ways to townread me in the current gamestate,

?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Clidd, if you don’t see that scum are in the towncore then i can only assume you are working for the scum in that group.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hope you don’t think scum is Walter/me/Hectic
Lazy solve.
Where is the scum Clidd?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Walter flip scum what’s your next move in heaven phase?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Walter flip scum what’s your next move in heaven phase?

If he flips scum, I'll look for associatives and reassess in general. It depends a lot on Hayasaka's opinion too.

Why would Hayasaka’s opinion matter unless they were to flip town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

When the scum don't say: "Ahaha, it is i! The scum!" it's always so much harder than it needs to be.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry i’ve fallen behind. If i miss something remind me, but i’ll read up too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok so Walter might be scum with GC like Dann says. Because the way they’re pushing Chutulhu over Walter can show that he is reluctant to buss. I’d expect scum!GC to jump on the opportunity to mislynch town!Walter (or me) today.
Dann isn’t right on me being scum with Walter though, and if i was i’d probably just buss them today.
I’m still struggling with the fact that GC/Walter scum implicates another in one of Clidd/Isis/Dannflor. Presumably one of them would push for me over Walter but then decide against it. I’ll have to read back and see which player would make the most sense in this.
I do not want to vote Walter unless i find out more about this first. Just in case i’m wrong about everything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then again Cthulhu could fit that narrative ughhhh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dann isn’t right on me being scum with Walter though, and if i was i’d probably just buss them today.

idk if you're on a team with walter though and you bus

do your think your slot ever goes to heaven? don't you think it's still helled eventually? I don't think that's a very convincing argument because bussing essentially would just lose you the game faster

Or i could just buss and then go for judgement day? Getting heavened isn’t necesarilly the goal, have you thought about that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is Chtulhu’s current aspirations? I’m curious about that.
Does he agree on a Walter wagon or does he still prefer me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you guys so confident he’s town, i thought y’all scumread him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just shoot GC it can’t go wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we’d helled GC instead of Walter we’d have gotten scum man. Now the siruation is precarious and i’m set up as the final mislim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ay what i'd miss.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wtf i'm hammered already, i'm town you idiots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

First Walter, now this.
Sometimes i wonder why i even bother.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This setup sucks balls.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meh.
MEH!
MEEEEEEH!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m sorry for sucking Isis/GC
Wish i could have done better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh thanks for reminding.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw town, i hate you all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even if the game is super stacked against us, i feel bad about losing. A loss is a loss and it’s so incredibly painful every single time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Curse you Hectic, CURSE YOU HECTIC!

[NorwegianboyEE]

As with all the problems in my life, i blame Hectic as the sole root cause of it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess it's in my second nature. So all game rolls flip me that way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Too bad you got lynched so early Word. Would have liked to see you in the game more, but if i see an ez mislynch i take it.