Muerrto wrote:iamausername wrote:Wait, so it's OK for people to direct the vig to kill Vamp, but not Greasy Spot?
By the way, I'm absolutely in favour of a Vamp vidging too, and have never said otherwise.
He didn't make that statement until after I attacked him for trying to re-direct the vig.
He was completely silent about the Vamp vig-kill, then he suggested a GS vig, then he got called on trying to re-direct the town-decided vamp vig. THEN he says he's fine with Vamp too. What scum say after they get called on a scummy action doesn't count towards a defense.
Muerrto wrote:A) Name someone who hasn't tried to direct the vig kill this game please.
That doesn't make it pro-town.
Muerrto wrote:B) Please state GS's case on IAUN. His case was(and I QUOTE again)
Greasy Spot wrote:vote: iamausername for being too stupid to be a townie.
Way to be misleading. IAUN and GS were arguing for the previous 10 posts. You quoted his vote, but before that (post 183, 189), he actually made some sort of contribution to the game (unlike vamp):
Greasy Spot wrote:iamausername wrote:Um, my authority as a scumhunter. If you're town, why would you have a reason to not answer my question?
I was actually going to answer your question after the second time you asked it. That was until I got to the post where you voted for me because I didn't answer your question. It doesn't set well with me when people try to enforce their ways on me. If I wanted to comment on the scumminess of strife and/or armix I would. I don't need you to ask me silly questions about which one I find scummier. If you care to elaborate on your feelings for people and request others share as well then very well, but don't demand an answer and then vote someone because they don't give you an answer. That is stupid.
iamausername wrote:So, why say:
Greasy Spot wrote:You ask us which we think is scummiest yet there is no case against Strife so how could I possibly decide right now?
when you obviously
had
decided who you thought was scummier?
At the time I made that statement (which was in the beginning of the game) I didn't find either one of them scummy enough to vote. The people who were pushing their lynches were scummier. You bring it up now knowing full well that much more scum hunting has been going on, so that statement is not even relevant now.
He disagreed with the 'who's scummier, Armix or Strife' page 1 thing Rofl tried to pull, IAUN disagreed with it. His argument was that IAUN was pushing crap logic in his attacks, even if it wasn't put all that elegantly.
Greasy contributed a little and was actually sort of playing the game.
Muerrto wrote:C) So multiple people saying Vamp would be a good vig makes me a good lynch? First, I'm not Vamp, I'm just his role. Second, lynching is WAAAAY different from vigging. Third, town can't pick the wrong kill? Assuming I'm scum because some people want me dead? You gotta be kidding me.
Nice family straw men you got there.
Multiple people saying Vamp is a good vig makes it a town decision, which makes vig-directing much more pro-town. Again, this is the 'undermining the majority' thing. At the time I said it, it wasn't known IAUN was scum, so it was a much weaker point. Now it's much stronger because we know he's scum, and that his motivations obviously weren't in the town's best interests. It's possible he was acting townie and thought he would seem pro-town with suggesting the GS vig. It's possible he was acting scummy and trying to get a bigger threat NK'd (and if that's your argument, you're completely backtracking and saying that his redirection WAS scummy). It's also possible that he was scum trying to protect a buddy, which is a pretty damned good point.
Muerrto wrote:D) Him suggesting vigging the guy hounding him and trying to get him lynched instead of the lurker is defending the lurker? Or is it attacking the guy TRYING TO GET HIM LYNCHED? I mean, wow, how weak a case can you get.
Indirect defense - see above. Town says one thing, scum hints at another.
Nobody was following GS's reasoning, so IAUN was under no real threat from him.
I do admit that it seems unlike you to outwardly priase a scumbuddy, but I'm unconvinced that you felt IAUN's defense was worth the praise you gave it. Your reasoning is cloudy and I'm having a hard time believing you really thought what IAUN did was pro-town.
