Open 793 Trust Fall 10p (Game Over)

[Casey]

I'm here! Sadly town again. Was hoping to roll mafia.

If we're fighting for gayest, instead of posting in this thread, I went to a spontaneous beach trip with someone I met off OkCupid and was gay for the first time ever.

Howdy.

or is probably town. I also like Gamma's entrance a bit.

Sure do hope N_M is town.

Sounds odd.

Woah, Doro's in this game? I wouldn't have joined if I realised it'd be as easy as sheeping all his reads to victory.

~Marksman

You mean being paranoid of everyone and voting for town... you might be on to something except for one thing

I like this.

Congrats to NM, that was a really efficient way to throw the game for the seven other people on your team.

The only emotion I can express is sadness.

I'm ready to trust CNF and let the rest of you figure this out on your own.

[Casey]

implosion - Town for #48 - #49
Confusing Name Fusion - Town for #15 - #16 and #26 - #30
hellbooks - I want to believe that partnering the gayest person is a positive thing and not a hateful troll. In which case I kind of have to say this is town. Unless the gayness was a trick. I don't want to go down that avenue.

Hey Luncheon you say Gamma and Intuition are town. Can you explain that?

redtea I got nothing on.

[Casey]

So one person can stay behind to play matchmaker to ensure the game doesn't go off the rails.

I'm willing to stay behind and be the momma hen.

[Casey]

@Intuition: Just the cadence of the post comes off as odd. Also that's the third time you've quoted implosion there.

hellbooks - I want to believe that partnering the gayest person is a positive thing and not a hateful troll. In which case I kind of have to say this is town. Unless the gayness was a trick. I don't want to go down that avenue.

yes sorry for being unclear about this allow me to begin establishing a reputation for being a famously queer woman

I'll be your first follower / subscriber / whatever it is these days.

sorry for multiposting but it should be said that spontaneous beach trip date sounds dope and im happy for u

Thank you! It was a really great time.

[Casey]

Still need to clear folks in Redtea / Intuition / Gamma / Luncheon

@hellbooks: What are you getting from Gamma?

[Casey]

@hellbooks: Fair enough. I felt the same way, just not as strongly as your moderate feeling.

@casey; i can't claim to see what you're seeing there unfortunately.

implosion - Town for #48 - #49

did you mean luncheon here?

i don't see how people are getting a read on implosion; he is pretty null to me!

~k

So I did! Thank you for the correction.

[Casey]

yoink

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Hey Luncheon you say Gamma and Intuition are town.

Never said that intuition was town, maybe you're thinking of my implosion tr, which I explained above.
I like Gamma's entrance I think it'd be tough for scum to have preconceived ideas for a town!meta don't think they'd bother trying to emulate that game breaking mindset in general, like I think they'd be more wary of coming off as unnatural.

Like I don't think Gamma came off as unnatural really which informs the read as well.

Thanks for the correction. So many confusing names!

I wish I could sheep these Gamma reads.

Looking at this game is just so awkward now because we're collectively hunting for one scum out of eight people with almost no associatives. It makes committing to anything feel bad.

Hunting for solos is a good skill to learn.

[Casey]

I'm townclearing luncheon.

2 of Redtea, Gamma & Intuition still need to impress me.

[Casey]

Casey, what happened to wanting to trust fall Fusion early on?

~Marksman

I came up with a better idea.

Speaking of which, I have an even better one. Let me get my thoughts together first.

[Casey]

Maximize town voices.

When 2 people are prepared to trust-fall, only 1 person does the trust. The other person posts saying "this is me clearing myself by posting.

This way we clear people without having been put in a situation that guarantees we lose town voices.

This doesn't clear the truster, only the trustee.

We lose if the trustee is mafia, so, no reason for us to lose town voices.

[Casey]

Everyone post who you strongly believe is town.

hellbooks
luncheon
implosion
Confusing Name Fusion

[Casey]

...

Your contributions so far have been pivotal.

[Casey]

Every 2 days you mean?

I'm townclearing luncheon.

2 of Redtea, Gamma & Intuition still need to impress me.

You’re the first person to not quickly townread me, talk about that

Still waiting for you to be an antacid.

Im not the smartest when it comes to setups but I don't follow the reasoning behind your idea Casey

A trusts B
B posts but doesn't trust back.
B is now clear.

Since maf trusting back means they win the game, anyone who doesn't trust back is town.

By clearing people this way, they remain in the game.

[Casey]

By “antacid”? I have no idea what you mean by that?

Oh, I mean I want you to sit well in my gut.

oh FUCK that's actually the coolest idea Casey. Okay, I'm down. That's perfect.

Thank you!

[Casey]

i vote for myself, implo, and luncheon. i anti-vote mama and would like her to be last (well basically we don't need to clear the last person, so hell and mama should be the untrusted)

-hornet

Who is mama?

I'm momma. Intuition-Hornet thinks I'm deep-wolfing myself into an autolose situation. I'm not a big fan of that logic and it's almost feeling as if Intuition is trying to wriggle their way into anywhere but bottom 2.

Remember that we can have 1 person "stay behind" in the endgame. I volunteered myself. Now with Intuition-Hornet trying to push myself AND hellbooks into the shadow realm, that doesn't sit easy with me at all.

[Casey]

Yeah I like Intuition the least now.

[Casey]

My desire to snap-trust hellbooks is at an all-time high thanks to Intuition.

[Casey]

I'm not sold on Casey being scum but I agree with hornet on the point that wanting to be 1 of the final 2 to stay behind is a very strange mindset to adopt. As town, you're effectively halving your chances of getting scum left behind, so I struggle to see the town-motivation for it.

As scum, the motivation is to look like you don't care about whether or not you're left behind, and to get someone to (hopefully) propose a trust fall to you.

Casey, why do you want to be left standing instead of increasing the chances of getting scum in the final 2?

~Marksman

Because hubris.

[Casey]

To expand:

53 pings as a designed to be town read (i think they call this lamist? is-this-lamist.butterfly). another way of looking at it is this. whats type of posts do townies make? or for what reason? (a) to express their views, (b) to inquire, (c) to push their scumreads, (d) to defend their town reads, (e) to work around mechanics. Scum, on the other hand, post for different reasons. (z) to look townie, (y) to distance from their buds, (x) to protect their buds, (w) to push a ml, (v) to pocket / manipulate.

53 pinges me as z. it's doesn't do a, b, c, or d. so what was her intent behind the post?? it could be e too, but considering it more, i don't get why town would want to stay behind?? all that does is eliminate a potential scummer being left behind. so it's like something a summer would think a townie would say "i will sacrifice myself for you my children, ascend to heaven" but really it's not a townie mindset at all

124 i think is trying to use my suspicion against hell to pocket hell for a trustfall! since im calling her bluff asking for her to stay behind, she is looking for an alternative route to ascending

Hellbooks and I have pocketed each other so hard, we walk around with our hands in each other's jeans.

[Casey]

Jeans'

pockets!

I mean jeans'

pockets!

[Casey]

Once we have one clear, it doesn't matter who does the trusting.

damn I think Casey got me beat in 'gayest'

I was gay only

once!

Anyone can do better than me.

[Casey]

If you haven't posted your list, please do so in your next post.

[Casey]

May as well do an updated one too.

CNF, Hellbooks > luncheon, redtea > implosion > gamma > intuition

[Casey]

6 days left. May as well kick this off.

I trust Gamma

Just post that you're clearing yourself and don't trust back.

[Casey]

Untrust

Wonderful.

[Casey]

Due to the generous feedback in this game, I'm gonna go ahead and...

I trust Confusing Name Fusion

Nobody has to contribute. I'll just keep doing this until we lose or win.

[Casey]

^^^ Danger zone.

Untrust

Why did you trust gamma first if he's near the end of the list for you? Consensus?

Yup. Almost everyone else trusted Gamma, so I figured 'may as well.'

[Casey]

Are you deliberately disobeying to earn town credit or are you merely daft?

[Casey]

For those playing along at home (because we sure as heck aren't playing here) the maf has been narrowed down to one of...

Hellbooks, Implosion, Intuition, Luncheon, and Redtea.

[Casey]

One more before bedtime.

I trust Redtea.

Feeling pretty good about this one after a re-read.

[Casey]

Untrust

[Casey]

Intuition you're supposed to untrust. Leaving it an open invitation is skeevy.

[Casey]

Hellbooks, Intuition, Luncheon.

Hm, hm, hm.

[Casey]

On a reread, Hellbooks hasn't contributed much. The strongest town indicator for her is her gayness which admittedly is a strong pull.

[Casey]

Luncheon reads like a regular townie.

[Casey]

And I re-read Intuition. I'm mad because Intuition reads townier than Hellbooks.

[Casey]

I trust Luncheon

Sorry in advance if this loses us the game. Won't feel bad at all losing to Luncheon.

[Casey]

Untrust

Why? What makes him maf?

[Casey]

Wildest 180 ever, Hellbooks. Did you ISO him looking for a good reason and then found that?

I trust Luncheon

[Casey]

Oh there was a whole other page.

[Casey]

Untrust

[Casey]

Because I thought your approval was scummy until I saw page 10.

[Casey]

I still think Luncheon is town.

[Casey]

Re: Intuition, we just finished a game with Mark as scum, and I'm really not seeing anything different from there. Whoever else is in Intuition is making more sense and is sitting well in my gut.

I think Luncheon is town for the anger expressed at Not_Mafia and the ensuing scumhunting. The 'oh I'm actually cleared' saga leaves me with a feeling of Isis in that same endgame.

And you're fighting for gayness, but don't have anything game-related going for you.

It's a tough call.

[Casey]

Ultimately my mind goes towards who I wouldn't mind losing to.

Luncheon: Wouldn't mind. His posts have been good. Still giving me a nagging Isis feeling.

Hellbooks: Would mind. I would never implicitly trust gayness again.

Intuition: Would mind. That would just be disgusting.

[Casey]

casey if you think i'm the scummiest person why are you basing your trust of luncheon on my approval

Hold up, when did you express your approval of Luncheon?

[Casey]

So I'm looking back and there appears to be some continuity error with Hellbooks. Let me get this all out...

[Casey]

I trust Luncheon

Sorry in advance if this loses us the game. Won't feel bad at all losing to Luncheon.

i would much rather u do intuition

i dont think luncheon is particularly towny

Untrust

Why? What makes him maf?

^^^ Me asking Hell why she thinks Luncheon is mafia.

oh wait he was cleared by intuition??

^^^ Response to my question is met with Hell doing some sort of browsing the thread or Luncheon's ISO to come to this post.

wait why are we considering him in the scumpool if intuition trusted him at the beginning

^^^ This is what we'll call the "approval" of Luncheon. It's at the end of page 9. When I reply later, I hadn't seen there was a page 10.

oh okay, no, luncheon isn't cleared, he's just trying to get the cred for it even though he didnt post until the day had already ended

Untrust

Why? What makes him maf?

i just think that intuition clearing implosion doesnt seem like the move for scum

^^^ So the reason Luncheon is maf, according to Hell, is PoE.

plus imagine scum both trusting someone on page 1 hmmm could happen but also i feel like scum would be too cowardly to do that

oh this is like a fuckign discussion ppl had already sorry lol

Okay, thats fair enough, I'm not cleared

is this towny???????

i feel like... no right? let me try to put myself in the shoes of luncheon here.. did he see the trust before it was wiped? if he did then why didn't he post? if he didn't then why did he try to say he was cleared even though he's obviously not?

casey are u here ;-;

^^^ This all reads towny to me.

Wildest 180 ever, Hellbooks. Did you ISO him looking for a good reason and then found that?

I trust Luncheon

^^^ I'm super suspicious of Hell and trust Luncheon on that merit.

Oh there was a whole other page.

Untrust

^^^ I see there's a page 10.

casey if you think i'm the scummiest person why are you basing your trust of luncheon on my approval

^^^ My acceptance of Hell's "approval" of Luncheon is questioned. ("wait why are we considering him in the scumpool if intuition trusted him at the beginning")

Something about calling it an "approval" doesn't sit right with me. But everything is more level-headed when I stick it all together. I don't know.

I think I just needed to spell this all out for myself. There is no continuity error.

[Casey]

Now that only 4 people aren't clear, we've got time to serve up some piping hot takes.

[Casey]

I am unspiced.

[Casey]

Oh never mind.

[Casey]

why would town what that someone to be themselves?? even though there's one scum, you double your chance of winning by having someone not-you in the final town

-hornet

I literally answered this already and you ignored it.

[Casey]

But she has. She showed her intent by her reaction to my 110. She was upset that I actually went along with her volunteer and pushed my direction accordingly.

So I never reacted to your 110. I reacted to your 111 and also was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

The reason you linked to 110 and not my reaction to 110 is because there is no reaction to 110.

[Casey]

if she was ok with staying behind in the first place, why react this way? this is what i mean by glimpsing her real intent

Because I was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

[Casey]

I am unspiced.

Oh never mind.

fake

why would town what that someone to be themselves?? even though there's one scum, you double your chance of winning by having someone not-you in the final town

-hornet

I literally answered this already and you ignored it.

hubris is not a satisfactory answer

I don't have to meet your arbitrary requirements for a satisfaction. I can snap trust Hell and Luncheon now and no matter your alignment, you'll lose.

[Casey]

if she was ok with staying behind in the first place, why react this way? this is what i mean by glimpsing her real intent

Because I was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

Why???

Because she's a strong townread.

[Casey]

I trust Hellbooks
I trust Luncheon

[Casey]

Moral victory.

[Casey]

Psst, your line is, "You fool, you've doomed us all."

[Casey]

The fact that you have no rebuttal makes me feel good about this.

[Casey]

Too bad playing Ticket to Ride IRL.

[Casey]

Sorry, that was flippant and inconsiderate of me.

Untrust.

[Casey]

The only emotion I can express is sadness.

[Casey]

you two were amazing, especially you casey. wow

-hornet

casey is so scary ~_~

Thank you. Ehehe.

It's good to be back in the swing of mafia things.