Open 793 Trust Fall 10p (Game Over)

[iNtuition]

Woah, Doro's in this game? I wouldn't have joined if I realised it'd be as easy as sheeping all his reads to victory.

~Marksman

[iNtuition]

I think luncheon townslipped. He's been online since game start but hasn't bothered to post, scum

need

to enter strong and look towny in this to win.

iNtuition trusts luncheon

gg ez

~Marksman

[iNtuition]

Everyone whisper. We don't want to wake implosion up.

~Marksman

[iNtuition]

Howdy.

or is probably town. I also like Gamma's entrance a bit.

Sure do hope N_M is town.

Agree. This probably doesn't come from his partner, looks really bad associatively later on.

redtea feels weird. Like, he's actually green tea but calling himself red tea to hook more people in.

~Marksman

[iNtuition]

o7

My best guess for how to optimize at this exact moment is everyone just throws out 2 names and the most common mentions pair first
Only rule is you can’t name yourself

Also I have a thing I will prolly post in the next 24 hours

can you walk me through how this would work?

Also implosion is town

why?

Howdy.

or is probably town. I also like Gamma's entrance a bit.

Sure do hope N_M is town.

Sounds odd.

why?

we're off to a terrible start, but i have faith we can still turn it around. 10p means we just have to nail scum in a pool of 2. this probably is better than 9p after all!
i'm also liking CNF and Gamma so far

~k

[iNtuition]

Howdy.

or is probably town. I also like Gamma's entrance a bit.

Sure do hope N_M is town.

why did you think or was towny here?

~k

[iNtuition]

@casey; i can't claim to see what you're seeing there unfortunately.

implosion - Town for #48 - #49

did you mean luncheon here?

i don't see how people are getting a read on implosion; he is pretty null to me!

~k

[iNtuition]

The idea was to get a close-to-random generation of a pair, plus if one of them was scum we could scrutinize those who suggested them

i don't see how random pairs would help?

~k

[iNtuition]

Myself and my partner would like to try something

i did not consent to this

- jumble

Classic Doro. Don't try and stop him, Jumble; I've tried and it's impossible.

~Marksman

[iNtuition]

I think luncheon is town. Doro looks like his townself but I need to see a bit more. implosion is probably town for what I said earlier.

~Marksman

[iNtuition]

Casey, what happened to wanting to trust fall Fusion early on?

~Marksman

[iNtuition]

Looking at this game is just so awkward now because we're collectively hunting for one scum out of eight people with almost no associatives. It makes committing to anything feel bad.

Remaining scum is basically a serial killer now. We can't look at associations (other than yours), but the sk still has to fabricate all of their scumreads while town doesn't.

~Mark

[iNtuition]

hellbooks, why is implosion maffers?

~Mark

[iNtuition]

Whoops, I'm not supposed to be taking this so seriously. Please reprimand me if I don't post 1 quality meme per day, and shout at me if you see anything too tryhardy.

~Mark

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Happy Birthday, Doro! What would you like as a present?

~Mark

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I like Casey's idea. We still have to do a trust fall every 10 day or whatever, but other than that, let's "clear" people and keep them in as IC voices.

~Mark

[iNtuition]

zzz.

town

Congrats to NM, that was a really efficient way to throw the game for the seven other people on your team.

town

-hornet

[iNtuition]

I'm here! Sadly town again. Was hoping to roll mafia.

town

I'm ready to trust CNF and let the rest of you figure this out on your own.

town

So one person can stay behind to play matchmaker to ensure the game doesn't go off the rails.

I'm willing to stay behind and be the momma hen.

nevermind dw

hellbooks - I want to believe that partnering the gayest person is a positive thing and not a hateful troll. In which case I kind of have to say this is town. Unless the gayness was a trick. I don't want to go down that avenue.

yes sorry for being unclear about this allow me to begin establishing a reputation for being a famously queer woman

Also implosion is town

i would say i mildly to mediumly disagree with this assessment

also that being said i do hold a lot of hate in my heart

so what now are we all just taking a mourning period

sorry for multiposting but it should be said that spontaneous beach trip date sounds dope and im happy for u

scum

gamma is my most solid TR at this temporary moment

scum

Myself and my partner would like to try something, we want to trust gamma and hellbooks at the same time so we would like to hear peoples thoughts

-doro

mmm town i think

@hellbooks: What are you getting from Gamma?

tryhard is a classic town paranoia read i think, nothing but but it's the most concrete thing i have this game as far as people doing towny things

scum

Howdy.

or is probably town

. I also like Gamma's entrance a bit.

Sure do hope N_M is town.

Just to elaborate for those asking, I think implosion is town for the above post;
mind meld on liking gamma and also think scum struggle to make the bolded so offhand. Like I don't see them coming into a game town reading their partner in their first post of the game for the reason they did because it would usually just look weird and draw attention later. So yeah town!implosion having a genuine take on or there feels much more natural overall

town

-hornet

[iNtuition]

I s2g we have 7 whole days the hydra better not trust anyone

Do not throw trusts around like votes good God

eww scum

Maximize town voices.

When 2 people are prepared to trust-fall, only 1 person does the trust. The other person posts saying "this is me clearing myself by posting.

This way we clear people without having been put in a situation that guarantees we lose town voices.

This doesn't clear the truster, only the trustee.

We lose if the trustee is mafia, so, no reason for us to lose town voices.

Maximize town voices.

When 2 people are prepared to trust-fall, only 1 person does the trust. The other person posts saying "this is me clearing myself by posting.

This way we clear people without having been put in a situation that guarantees we lose town voices.

This doesn't clear the truster, only the trustee.

We lose if the trustee is mafia, so, no reason for us to lose town voices.

I think this could be interesting, it’s essentially Russian roulette if we start chaining this, as the more confirmed town we have the more likely it is subsequent attempt will be trying to trust the mafia
Probably make it so someone widely suspected initiates this process if we do it

i like these!

-hornet

[iNtuition]

Should person A be the person that people sus the most, that way it is less likely that mafia gets put as person B when we are left with fewer people.

-doro

yep town

oh FUCK that's actually the coolest idea Casey. Okay, I'm down. That's perfect.

hellbooks I see what you're seeing there but considering what just

actually

took place I think it's justified

Should person A be the person that people sus the most, that way it is less likely that mafia gets put as person B when we are left with fewer people.

-doro

cool with me

I don't know how people are scraping reads together at this point so no one ask me for any

nevermind town, really town

hellbooks is the summer. she chooses a person to trust and we do a chain as gamma suggested. since person b is clear they choose who is next in the chain (in unison with the prior clears), but i think we should vote on who the original person b should be (hehe)

-hornet

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i vote for myself, implo, and luncheon. i anti-vote mama and would like her to be last (well basically we don't need to clear the last person, so hell and mama should be the untrusted)

-hornet

[iNtuition]

o wait i should confer with my teammates on who we vote for. i got ahead of myself | _・)

-hornet

[iNtuition]

i forgot to say i think 69 is tmi. gammas entrance was townie but i don't think hell's reasons warrant him being her strongest town read. i don't think anything he's done is outside of an average player's scum range

-hornet

[iNtuition]

nothing anyone else has done is outside of a player's scum range either

i don't see how that warrants him being your most solid tr?

-hornet

[iNtuition]

So one person can stay behind to play matchmaker to ensure the game doesn't go off the rails.

I'm willing to stay behind and be the momma hen.

i vote for myself, implo, and luncheon. i anti-vote mama and would like her to be last (well basically we don't need to clear the last person, so hell and mama should be the untrusted)

-hornet

Who is mama?

Remember that we can have 1 person "stay behind" in the endgame.

I volunteered myself.

Now with Intuition-Hornet trying to push myself AND hellbooks into the shadow realm,

that doesn't sit easy with me at all.

scum

-hornet

[iNtuition]

maybe casey idk yeah i prob trust casey

My desire to snap-trust hellbooks is at an all-time high thanks to Intuition.

scum!

-hornet

[iNtuition]

To expand:

53 pings as a designed to be town read (i think they call this lamist? is-this-lamist.butterfly). another way of looking at it is this. whats type of posts do townies make? or for what reason? (a) to express their views, (b) to inquire, (c) to push their scumreads, (d) to defend their town reads, (e) to work around mechanics. Scum, on the other hand, post for different reasons. (z) to look townie, (y) to distance from their buds, (x) to protect their buds, (w) to push a ml, (v) to pocket / manipulate.

53 pinges me as z. it's doesn't do a, b, c, or d. so what was her intent behind the post?? it could be e too, but considering it more, i don't get why town would want to stay behind?? all that does is eliminate a potential scummer being left behind. so it's like something a summer would think a townie would say "i will sacrifice myself for you my children, ascend to heaven" but really it's not a townie mindset at all

124 i think is trying to use my suspicion against hell to pocket hell for a trustfall! since im calling her bluff asking for her to stay behind, she is looking for an alternative route to ascending

[iNtuition]

No

yes!

-hornet

--hornet

[iNtuition]

the bolded in 122 quote up above i think is mama trying to back out. my intent behind my anti-vote was to call her bluff and see if she would stick to her volunteer. scum!her would need to find a way to back out of it

[iNtuition]

I'm momma. Intuition-Hornet thinks I'm deep-wolfing myself into an autolose situation. I'm not a big fan of that logic

you bypassed my actual logic in a way that makes you look better. i don't think you actually

wan

t to stay behind.

-hornet

[iNtuition]

I'm not sold on Casey being scum but I agree with hornet on the point that wanting to be 1 of the final 2 to stay behind is a very strange mindset to adopt. As town, you're effectively halving your chances of getting scum left behind, so I struggle to see the town-motivation for it.

As scum, the motivation is to look like you don't care about whether or not you're left behind, and to get someone to (hopefully) propose a trust fall to you.

Casey, why do you want to be left standing instead of increasing the chances of getting scum in the final 2?

~Marksman

[iNtuition]

Basically, it makes her conf town for all intents and purposes, whether or not she actually is.

Yeah I think redtea speaks what I couldn’t find the words for

No, this logic is bad. If we think Casey is town, we want her trusted at some point and not in the final 2.
If we think Casey is scum, we want her in the final 2.

Leaving her in the final 2 simply so we can "treat her as conftown" is a bad strat and not how we should be playing this. If you think she could be scum, then sure, leave her there, but "policy" leaving her there simply because she volunteered despite not thinking she's scummy is dumb. The ultimate goal is to get the two scummiest slots in dumpster.

~Marksie

[iNtuition]

Actually, I like hornet enough to do this now:

I trust hornet

Take me away.

~Marks

[iNtuition]

why isn't anyone playing :[

-hornet

[iNtuition]

huh

Trust Implosion

[iNtuition]

what do you mean by danger zone casey?

-hornet

[iNtuition]

Untrust

[iNtuition]

Disobeying what? Also what did you mean by danger zone?

-hornet

[iNtuition]

Disobeying what? Also what did you mean by danger zone?

-hornet

is there a reason you wont answer me?

-hornet

[iNtuition]

Trust Implosion

[iNtuition]

does anyone object to me (or someone else) trusting casey just to get that possibility out of the way? We're losing if she's scum, right?

I prefer not to lose at all and scum is between her and hell. the fact that you're even willing to do this is exactly the point i was making

-hornet

[iNtuition]

Implosion what of my list of town/scum intents do you not feel is an objective representation of the field of possible motivations? what do you mean by assigning how i play to someone else? are those not all the ways a person plays?

-hornet

[iNtuition]

Congrats to NM, that was a really efficient way to throw the game for the seven other people on your team.

luncheon is town for the expression of anger here. idk just the way it's worded feels genuine. the congrats part. or maybe the efficient part

-hornet

[iNtuition]

Not sure what the first question is referencing; for the second, it looks sort of like you're saying you could have acted this way as scum and ascribing that to another player with a different style, essentially you're calling something scum-indicative that to me seems better explainable by Casey's personality or playstyle.

the first question is a different version of the second. i didn't explain her actions based on how i would play, i did so based on what i believe to be all the reasons any player does something. so my question is what about the list of possible motivations is not objective, but subjective?

[iNtuition]

welp

[iNtuition]

intuition, I don't think she's going to back out. And even if she tried, we can, like, hold her to it.
Casey stays till the end and we don't have to work out any wifom on her slot, since it literally doesn't matter what alignment she is as long as no one tf's her

Yeah I think redtea speaks what I couldn’t find the words for

@gamma what im saying is that it was a gambit. why would town want to stay behind?

-hornet

[iNtuition]

why would town what that someone to be themselves?? even though there's one scum, you double your chance of winning by having someone not-you in the final town

-hornet

[iNtuition]

at least untrust while i can explain it better please

[iNtuition]

a person can make themselves look townie all they want, but there's going to be tells that show their real intent and that's what you have to hold onto

do you agree that it's against your wincon to have yourself in the bottom 2?

[iNtuition]

But scum has a reason to pretend to want to be in the bottom 2 (to be town read and trusted), town does not!!!

[iNtuition]

But she has. She showed her intent by her reaction to my 110. She was upset that I actually went along with her volunteer and pushed my direction accordingly.

and you don't want to be obvious about it. you let other people do it for you. while you hold face.

this is me as scum in a similar situation:

Optimal Gameplay

So long as no scum exist in heaven, we should

not

send consensus town reads to heaven. There are three reasons for this. First, it's better to have strong towny voices here in purgatory because the proportion of town to scum is so small. We should aim to establish a strong town core and keep them around as long as possible. Second, if a judgment day occurs, having obvtownies in purgatory will increase the chance that heaven-dwellers will make the correct call. Third, we should use the heaven phase to provide

informative

flips. So as long as there is no scum in heaven, we should use it to flip the harder to read slots that aren't necessarily being scum read.

So my thinking is this, near the end of each phase, we tally the top town reads and top scum reads. During hell phases, we flip between scum reads; during the heaven phases, we flip middle reads; and we keep obvtownies in purgatory on reserve. Again, this is so long as there is

no scum

in heaven. If we do get a heaven scum flip, then we start sending our obvtownie reserves.

Subject: Open 774 || Purgatory — Game Over

Yes, I'm fine with going. I just want to make sure these things are accounted for:
-Elmo provides reasoning for her reads.
-Tai and Summer explain their S_S read in detail.
-Summer provides details on the contradictory meta evidence against Looker.
-Q fleshes out his thought process behind his wooper read at the EoD.

Please don't let any of these things go unanswered

[iNtuition]

basically you disarm yourself to make others let their guard down and trust you to the point where you don't

have

to push for yourself to be trusted, you let them do it for you

[iNtuition]

also is there any harm in untrusting why we go through this?

[iNtuition]

ok give me just a bit

[iNtuition]

So one person can stay behind to play matchmaker to ensure the game doesn't go off the rails.

I'm willing to stay behind and be the momma hen.

so casey, unprompted, volunteers to stay behind here

Maximize town voices.

When 2 people are prepared to trust-fall, only 1 person does the trust. The other person posts saying "this is me clearing myself by posting.

This way we clear people without having been put in a situation that guarantees we lose town voices.

This doesn't clear the truster, only the trustee.

We lose if the trustee is mafia, so, no reason for us to lose town voices.

this is something i just picked up on, but this plan actually dismantles her volunteer bc instead of people trusting each other to a point where she could be left behind, now she's entered into the possibility of being trusted for the sake of clearing. so a page after her initial volunteer she's already established a way to get trust voted.

hellbooks is the summer. she chooses a person to trust and we do a chain as gamma suggested. since person b is clear they choose who is next in the chain (in unison with the prior clears), but i think we should vote on who the original person b should be (hehe)

-hornet

i call her bluff here

and she reacts antagonistically here:

I'm momma. Intuition-Hornet thinks I'm deep-wolfing myself into an autolose situation. I'm not a big fan of that logic and it's almost feeling as if Intuition is trying to wriggle their way into anywhere but bottom 2.

Remember that we can have 1 person "stay behind" in the endgame. I volunteered myself. Now with Intuition-Hornet trying to push myself AND hellbooks into the shadow realm, that doesn't sit easy with me at all.

Yeah I like Intuition the least now.

if she was ok with staying behind in the first place, why react this way? this is what i mean by glimpsing her real intent

My desire to snap-trust hellbooks is at an all-time high thanks to Intuition.

side bar, this read doesn't make any sense? wth?

OK next Casey starts doing shotgun trusts

6 days left. May as well kick this off.

I trust Gamma

Just post that you're clearing yourself and don't trust back.

Due to the generous feedback in this game, I'm gonna go ahead and...

I trust Confusing Name Fusion

Nobody has to contribute. I'll just keep doing this until we lose or win.

But reacts aggressively to mine:

huh

Trust Implosion

Are you deliberately disobeying to earn town credit or are you merely daft?

the reason i made this initial vote here was because a) i thought implo was town for his zzz b) it was during his inactive time c) i wanted to see how casey would react. again i was aiming to see if she was bluffing with her playstyle, this time regarding "im just going to keep doing this [trusting]". my thinking was that if she really thought i was scum, then she wouldn't have any concern with this, but if she was scum, then id potentially be eliminating one of the people she could have in the bottom (note that her trust votes were based on people who would not likely end up in the bottom, not based on her actual reads:

May as well do an updated one too.

CNF, Hellbooks > luncheon, redtea > implosion > gamma > intuition

if she was going by her reads she would have went CNF, hell. but she went gamma because he was the most widely tr despite him being her second most likely scum

and now we get to her recent reversal in read on hellb. this is what i felt like her play was leading up to since her reaction in 122, that she was setting up me and hell to be the two behind

Hellbooks, Intuition, Luncheon.

Hm, hm, hm.

On a reread, Hellbooks hasn't contributed much. The strongest town indicator for her is her gayness which admittedly is a strong pull.

And I re-read Intuition. I'm mad because Intuition reads townier than Hellbooks.

Ultimately my mind goes towards who I wouldn't mind losing to.

Luncheon: Wouldn't mind. His posts have been good. Still giving me a nagging Isis feeling.

Hellbooks:

Would mind.

I would never implicitly trust gayness again.

Intuition:

Would mind.

That would just be disgusting.

the evidence for this is, again, the fact that she trust voted based on who was likely not to be in the bottom 3 rather than her actual reads, she skipped hell, who i believe she felt she could maintain in the bottom 2 (along with me) based on people's reads

[iNtuition]

I am unspiced.

Oh never mind.

fake

why would town what that someone to be themselves?? even though there's one scum, you double your chance of winning by having someone not-you in the final town

-hornet

I literally answered this already and you ignored it.

hubris is not a satisfactory answer

[iNtuition]

I am unspiced.

Oh never mind.

@gamma look at the timestamps of these two posts

[iNtuition]

But she has. She showed her intent by her reaction to my 110. She was upset that I actually went along with her volunteer and pushed my direction accordingly.

So I never reacted to your 110. I reacted to your 111 and also was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

The reason you linked to 110 and not my reaction to 110 is because there is no reaction to 110.

111 is what i meant i thought i made that in 110

[iNtuition]

if she was ok with staying behind in the first place, why react this way? this is what i mean by glimpsing her real intent

Because I was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

Why???

[iNtuition]

I am unspiced.

Oh never mind.

fake

why would town what that someone to be themselves?? even though there's one scum, you double your chance of winning by having someone not-you in the final town

-hornet

I literally answered this already and you ignored it.

hubris is not a satisfactory answer

I don't have to meet your arbitrary requirements for a satisfaction. I can snap trust Hell and Luncheon now and no matter your alignment, you'll lose.

do it then :3

[iNtuition]

if she was ok with staying behind in the first place, why react this way? this is what i mean by glimpsing her real intent

Because I was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

Why???

Because she's a strong townread.

uh huh

[iNtuition]

we wont know until they are online. im sorry if im wrong but im stuck on this.

[iNtuition]

like those last two posts just make me think you're trying to make me convinced you're town from this and "convince you" to unvote

[iNtuition]

clear

[iNtuition]

I’m about to do what’s known as a pro gamer move.

I trust INtuition

I trust Gamma

[iNtuition]

I’m about to do what’s known as a pro gamer move.

I trust INtuition

I trust Gamma Emerald

~k

[iNtuition]

who knows~

~k

[iNtuition]

you two were amazing, especially you casey. wow

-hornet

[iNtuition]

casey is so scary ~_~

nevertheless, i did next to nothing and this win was 100% thanks to my teammates
sorry town

~k

[iNtuition]

For a 13 page game, this actually had a great deal of content.

hornet is amazing and I will be starting a cult in her name soon. Please PM me for membership.

~Marks