Open 794 Pick Your Power X/Y (finished)

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VOTE: SS

damnit you had one job. you just had to roll town. ONE JOB SS.

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VOTE: Grayon Creens

nvm iconeum is town

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i feel so dizzy in this rvs.

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VOTE: hoopla wonder if i shld yeet a policy vote onto the most famous player on the plist

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oh i VOTE: hoopla just did ooVOTE: hooplaps

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how do you feel about that groovy breaking strategy, gypyx?

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VOTE: hoopla wonder if i shld yeet a policy vote onto the most famous player on the plist

i believe my celebrity status earns me a ticket to end-game.

or at the very least, a free club sandwich.

you can have a mafia celebrity loyalty status card. i'll put a couple of punches on it for you.



close.. but not this time

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can i have a ticket that guarantees me *not* going to endgame?

or i'll also take a club sandwich actually

i love food

sadly ddl won that pleasure, this game.

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oh sick datisi is town this game
VOTE: marquis
@hoopla you're up d2, you have about 30 days to make your peace until then.

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duck, is that because i'm not in the scuM PT WITH YOU YOU SCUMDUCK

: (
damnit guys wrap it up, he caught us.

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i don't think it's necessarily town!indicative this time around though. you?

may have rolled town.
may have figured out that as scum participating in the jokes & early game narratives is a safer opening than the forced scumhunting routine.

i perch happily on this fence.

i was just thinking that, any room left on that fence?

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so, in those 14 games, how often do you think scum have gone for a WIFOM-play and selected the same number as a buddy? have a guess.

yughrguyhreu 0 or 1

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positions

you missed 413 and i am so upset.

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oh positions
yeah
i'm awake.

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413 - x

yeah ty i'm happy now

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VOTE: Ico

hey talk to me about this? i don't think it was random, and that is a weird and mystical and exciting feeling.

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I'll be chilling until the bit where we actually play mafia (vote by players not by numbers) <3 <3 @me if you need any questions

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why would it matter if we did @ you? you're looking away from our posts, you wouldn't see it.

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VOTE: Ico

hey talk to me about this? i don't think it was random, and that is a weird and mystical and exciting feeling.

Greeeeeen Cryaoooonnnnnsssss

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Am I gonna have to bring up the

duck

dragon

elephant in the room regarding Hoopla's plan?

The people toward the top of the list are more likely to have PR's. And, uh, PR's are how you win games.

wait literally anyone was taking her plan seriously?

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Is this gonna be a meme game cause I'm ok with it being a meme game

you always bring the meme

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Am I gonna have to bring up the

duck

dragon

elephant in the room regarding Hoopla's plan?

The people toward the top of the list are more likely to have PR's. And, uh, PR's are how you win games.

this post feels fake.

VOTE: Something_Smart

I could think of like 3 reasons to vote ss for that post and it feeling fake is probably directly opposite to all of them.

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VOTE: iamausername

why did you vote username here

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hoopla, you better be town this game. I'm sleeping GreyIce if you're scum.

How did you know I was greyice? wow.

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I dnt like DrDolittle a.k.a. Doc from now on
VOTE: DrDolittle

This is a fairly poor choice imo
is it a scummy choice? meh

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i'm getting townpings from ico

no

s_s and drd are my "my gut is telling me this person is town but i have no reasoning to back it up with" reads

Same

i have a sorta scumread that i'm gonna sit on for a bit more

is it username or grumplez

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S_S, Gypyx, Green Crayons, Clover town.

elaborate on green and especially clover?

ohey green I actually liked

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Green Crayons accurately ascertained Gypyx was faking a reaction after being fakehammered. Scum are less likely to take that accusatory route given they have no reason to think town!Gypyx is lying there, and no one else had seen his reaction as fake.

Gypyx's response was.......very cheesy but yeah I did like that Green was the first person to call this out

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I already responded. Twice.

well, one and a half.
sorry, I was working and when I iso'd you I just saw the second vote on ico and assumed it was the original one.

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Okay, I'm starting to read

This is going to be one of those games that hits page 80 halfway through day 1 and I never quite catch up, isn't it

Page 80? this isn't a micro, no

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literally just crossing our fingers and following hoopla's plan turns this from mafia into a badly designed logic puzzle so like please use the statistics but please just kill scum while flipping off probability.

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in fairness I thought it was zero. I really think one and a half is a fair compromise.

if anyone wants to do the logic puzzle thing I actually want to fight them.

pedit: oh I think your interpretation of Hoopla is on point. there's always someone who does some kind of stat analysis in an open this nuanced & frequently-run. Hoopla is like actually smart so will not be suggesting that we just blindly follow policy, merely that we allow policy to inform our play as appropriate. I'm just reaffirming.

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ditto, better tell for Grayons than Gypyx tho

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that's ok, don't feel the need to mention it all yet. i might wise up and start posting well. imagine that.

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yeah right back at you always a pleasure to bump into players i enjoy again.

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sorry; i'll obligatorily yell at the next person who enters the thread.

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sorry; i'll obligatorily yell at the next person who enters the thread.

Hi!

how dare you have the
just the
how dare you have the sheer audacity to make YET ANOTHER useless post!!!

Ego

Kind of busy today, I'll play catch-up later

mr. "ohhh look at me i'm so towny because i have a life", and, and

Okay, I'm starting to read

This is going to be one of those games that hits page 80 halfway through day 1 and I never quite catch up, isn't it

"waaah i can't keep up"

pull yourself together man!!!!

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Thanks for that, TW.

anytime <3

Gut town pings from Marquis' intro
Gut scum pings from DrDoolittle's intro

interesting, can you attribute any words to these gut pings?
i felt the exact opposite D:

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it's clear that the only realistic way it could have happened is if i'm scum.

fwiw i'd also fairly-strongly encourage my team to pair

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I like, just don't agree with this, especially this line:
"the main players that should be off the table today is the trio of word/crayons/iamausername. the odds of one of these players being scum is so low we'd need overwhelming evidence to take a shot there."

i will not be leaving them alone
crayons is probably town. word is kinda, i don't know, maybe he's fine. username is sketchy.
if i scumread them i'll scumcase them and if that isn't overwhelming evidence then i'll elim whoever says so too :3

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town distribution is just the inverse of scum distribution isn't it?

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like on all fronts except literally number chosen

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People like Hoopla have smart ideas that I'm literally not going to try and understand because logic hurts my brain. I will play mafia like a peasant and report back with my reads. If I feel that the logic is a strong enough factor to offset my reads I'll listen to it, if not I don't really give a toss what Hoopla's meta preference is.

Just ignore it and play mafia imo

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please don't use my name in vain, I'll be going for whoever I think is scum!

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my advice is pretty great ngl

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it's literally almost completely irrelevant what hoopla is doing with theory rn as long as we are not sheeps.

are you sheeps? or are you... animal-speaking doctors and hats?

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I dnt think hooplas theories r as relevant as the effort and henceforth what it says on her alignment

aorn i think this is remarkably objectively correct.

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sure, but you're not without your own creative ideas! you're not a sheep. you're an incredibly lazy tiger.

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aorn i think this is remarkably objectively correct.

Actually not quite. It's not the effort that makes it towny; it's the fact that she's making a big show of pushing an unpopular opinion.

oh i wasn't really townreading it, more just stating that her effort is more interesting than the dotted t's and crossed i's of the analysis so far.
but this is a fairly neat observation. i'm not really sure hoops does anything different as scum though really? i don't know her super well. i can understand why this is a positive observation fypov

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oh for a few reasons! it's exciting

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can we leave this for postgame?

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the more i think on it, the more i think we need to shelve this conversation

stuff i will say
- i was aware it had been done either zero or one time (memory fog but u did my homework for me ty)
- scum have >rand draft & massclaim info and there are some very spicy analytical strats they can undertake which i will Not be going into
- this variation of pypx/y is like, less protown to massclaim than the other one

and the rest you'll have to guess <3

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the impression i get from your posting is that you don't think the numbers are relevant, so why bother subverting what you don't believe in?

i mean, at a personality level: because i know the numbers analysis happens. i also know i'd be screaming about this regardless of my alignment which is subversive on a second level.

there's also like ~other benefits~ which i really will not be going into while i'm in the middle of a pypx/y game, especially given my stupid dumb town role pm

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i quite like cray grayson for town. i am quite enjoying ddl's brain thoughts and am leaning town superficially. whoevere made that 3d call on gypyx was pretty astute as well, at some conscience/mindset level he's probably towntold a little.
i don't really care about the clover townreads. i like grumpy cat's posting a whole bunch and their odds of being town a liiiittle bit more than rand. i thought they were kinda pockety at first. but eeehhh. i think they're just kinda cute.
despite my original joke datisi is a fairly easy read via fluidity of thought process and like i'd call him uhhh trending town.
iconeum hasn't really struck me yet, i think he's getting wound up.
marquis and umlaut Underwhelm
username made my skin crawl
ottomh i don't really think ss has done anything dramatically ai yet. his posting is fairly fluid which is a towntell, but he also hasn't spoken about anything that's particularly hard to talk about as scum yet. so who knows~~

you & word i'm not really sure yet. actually i like ss' analysis on your alignment slightly for him but i'm not really sure i bow to it. if word's posting was coming from another type of player i might have kinda kneejerk pushed him but for words i'm not really sure he's in the game yet

so call cray, ddl, maybe kitty, maybe gypyx, town.
maybe datisi too?
maybe, just maybe, ss???

a part of me is tempted to just vote users but a bigger part of me just wants him to come back and talk more.
kinda same for umlaut & marquis but less Vividly

i think i'm still holding an rvs vote for marquis but i'm sure enjoying it

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cast doubt on said numbers.

this is kinda eating the back of my brain
there's some validity yeah i have a hot & cold relationship with people doing mech spec in opens

i think it's healthy to have it stated, and then forgotten so people can form reads, and then bleed into analysis on more of an as-required basis
so yeah i probably shade the numerical analysis slightly-disproportionately-highly to contribute to the pressure around forcing the game to start

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i think it's contextual, and not a very interesting tell to hyperfocus on => let's call it nai and move on?

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worst, what makes you think i'm wound up or getting there?

oh, think of yourself like a clockwork toy
you *haven't* been fully wound up yet
I'm watching though.

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even if you are town, how do you know scum players haven't thought about your line, and have players like you in the lobby to provide them with free defense?

independently, I don't buy this line of thinking, and I don't think you should be townread for suggesting it.

really dislike this post. "I don't think you should be townread" in particular is a phrase that feels distinctly scummy to me, there's like an undertone of bitterness to it, like DrDolittle is annoyed that people have correctly identified Hoopla as town for reasons that DrD finds erroneous.
it's like a funhouse mirror version of 'you caught me for the wrong reasons'.

& i feel like S_S has acquitted himself adequately. the post that originally bothered me makes more sense knowing he was describing 67 as a 'plan' and not talking about Hoopla's initial entry. his eagerness to jump into theory discussions where, as scum, he doesn't have to lie about his true feelings is still a little concerning, but he's hardly alone on that front in this game.

VOTE: DrDolittle

badposting strike 2

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Secret Scumread was hoopla

...oh ah

i kinda don't get why people are giving townpoints to green for calling out the gypyx thing... like i read the explainations and i Don't Get It. i liked the fact clover also said he got wolf pings from that slot but then he said he's liked word's intro so i guess mindmeld with clover is over

what is your read on green

why do you like drdolittle so much (I also like drdolittle but I thought that was a spicy take)

i heavily *heavily* dislike this

oh ah

re: 345 duck's reads
i don't know if i like or hate the fact that i can be obvtown or easy to read :/
i feel like our reads are otherwise more or less Similar hmm
@duck, can we talk about green? i'm havign trouble getting the townreads there. eli5 pls.

I enjoy it, it's a breath of fresh air.
re. green you go first <3

i'm getting weird vibes from username
@username, do you have any townreads or something? i think you've only talked about scumreads so far (other than s_s getting better i guess)

weird vibes...oh...ah

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but this is a fairly neat observation. i'm not really sure hoops does anything different as scum though really? i don't know her super well. i can understand why this is a positive observation fypov

I'm obviously not sure either. But I'm really struggling to see what scum-Hoopla hopes to gain from this. I don't really think that the smartest way to profit from doubling up as scum is to double up and then drop the stats immediately and announce that scum definitely didn't double-- in particular I thought the part where she announced that a double could only have occurred if she was scum was fairly towny. If she's scum, it doesn't help her if she doubled, and it doesn't help her if she didn't double, and it very well could get her pressured for trying to execute PR's.

if I'm honest I don't think I'm smart enough to correctly guess!
this might be duck scum playbook but like getting pressured for stupid reasons ealry D1 often works out well for scumbags if they can crawl out of their grave

I'm not sure how widely shared that opinion is
not sure I really want to clear an experienced/good player for diving into the fray over mechanical spec though, so to speak?

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No

can I pat you pls
important game related question

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ugh i feel like i have too many "null but kinda scummy" slots right now

hoopla, do you have any non-mech reads/hot takes to offer

this game needs more content

maybe i'm not the one to talk when i keep dragging mech on

sigh

interesting, I have too many null but kinda towny slots rn.
throw me a tiered list?

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I should have posted this yesterday but

V/LA until Thurs

Marquis seems..... oddly aware of own thread presence perception for having posted four times


don't @ me

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TW completely missing in [post]230 that GC answered his question makes me wonder if TW actually cares about the answer as much as he's acting.

big fan of this tell.
did you catch me explaining why I missed it yet or nah

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Word/Worst/Hoopla/Grumpy Cat are all good townreads for me. We've posted 16 pages in 2 days and it's super hard for me to not blur past the words to fully get my thoughts in so I might just deal with the fact I'll forever be behind so I can get my thoughts on a page. Reading all this is exhausting and I've played mostly larges! VOTE: Green Crayon

why are you voting my strongest townread and townreading my entire nullpile ugh... explain please?

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feel like one of DDL, S_S, and Datisi gotta be scum enjoying the free conversation generator that is Hoopla's number theory

is it bad that I don't think either of these players would avoid the temptation to chomp down on number theory nonsense as either alignment but statistically desperately want you to be right?

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Word/Worst/Hoopla/Grumpy Cat are all good townreads for me. We've posted 16 pages in 2 days and it's super hard for me to not blur past the words to fully get my thoughts in so I might just deal with the fact I'll forever be behind so I can get my thoughts on a page. Reading all this is exhausting and I've played mostly larges! VOTE: Green Crayon

the stated reasons for this vote are wrong and also exceptionally uninteresting, so let's slot you as town for now

I remember liking you but not this much

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Oh cool, more pages.

is this just how you're going to play?

Umlaut isn't the only one who does catch up posts (hi yes I do it too but with multiple posts rather than a single big one), but damn the format just feels like a scum indicative tactic here.

Just so I'm not a complete ass, here, because Umlaut has suggested IRL reasons for not being as active as he might otherwise be (so the inactivity itself isn't AI). There's a sense of Umlaut's catch-up posts are more like detached observations rather than any attempt to really engage. No engagement is safer for scum because that never requires devolving into argument where you might actually have to put rubber to the road and evict a towns person based on the back of your bad reasons.

I can vibe W this but I'm kinda waiting to see if his style actually does have trajectory or if it's just...that

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I've almost never been told that my mechanics discussion is a good contribution to the game.

I have, however, been told that it's a distraction and a waste of time. Frequently.

I enjoy you a bunch and that's all that counts.

mech talk looking good is an intuitive feeling for like anxious/nervous scum imo; I do it when I feel uncomfortable as well (D1 of micro 960 what's good)

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feel like one of DDL, S_S, and Datisi gotta be scum enjoying the free conversation generator that is Hoopla's number theory

why do I not fit in the list?

why do I feel this underlying warmth/sincerity in words' posts..
is this what a tonal townread is????
it's been so long, I missed youuu

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(1) should i be worried that you reacted to half the things with oh ah (don't have to answer this) and (2) do you want me to Make a Triangle (please do answer this)

oh...aaahhhhhh......
∆ (yes)

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in fairness that's fucking creativemod1 and if anyone bought that he was a cute noob they need their eyes checked. he is a cute god.

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fair observation anyway tho; are you still talking about CloEbi's opener? what do you make of his second badpost?

pedit: dw you're not scummy yet just questionable, find your feet as you find them <3

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*pat pat pat pat*

Spoiler:

.................... *pat*

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Word/Worst/Hoopla/Grumpy Cat are all good townreads for me. We've posted 16 pages in 2 days and it's super hard for me to not blur past the words to fully get my thoughts in so I might just deal with the fact I'll forever be behind so I can get my thoughts on a page. Reading all this is exhausting and I've played mostly larges! VOTE: Green Crayon

I want to scumread DrDolittle but my reasoning goes against my style of play so I'll just wait and see if other people see what I see or if I'm going bonkers.

@umlaut both of these tbh

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nothing

shift me to the top please. i'm so sad.

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is it bad that i thought "what are clover and umlaut talking about, this game is slow as shit, especially for a 14p" but then i realized i'm just traumatized from micro 960

n_n

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Why am I in everyone's townblocs

It makes me feel all vulnerable and unclean

Next person to scumread me is townlocked without mercy

should i pat you 3 times for the odd number, or four times so that the total number of pats remains odd?

VOTE: username

pedit: oh mannn i like u

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*pat* *pat* *pat* .. *very soft poke*

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VOTE: Ico

hey talk to me about this? i don't think it was random, and that is a weird and mystical and exciting feeling.

Don't care for this:

Spoiler: posts

VOTE: gypix

Always trust datisi gut early game

it's not much, but i've got an early townread of hoopla here

luckily for them i'm already solidly pocketed so it's ok

Also not particularly keen about the gypyx shenanigans. Seems like a particularly confident push over very little. Feels like early scum distancing.

i thought he responded v well to this and it didn't feel like a particularly safe/popular opinion

What is it about addressing the flaws in Hoopla's plan, at that precise moment, that caught your attention?

yes very good.

Uh... ok, that just happened, safe to say that scum is on my wagon, try to look for persons who Fake finding me scummy, i'd probably look around grumpy / marquis, anyways bye sucks to suck

VOTE: gypyx

came because the "I totally think I'm dead on page 6"

stayed because the "there is scum on my wagon" + <doesn't even know who is voting him because otherwise he would know that he isn't evicted> = manufactured last words = lying = ?!scum?!

yes excellent

switch back to ico when he realised it wasn't really relevant was good

Green Crayons accurately ascertained Gypyx was faking a reaction after being fakehammered. Scum are less likely to take that accusatory route given they have no reason to think town!Gypyx is lying there, and no one else had seen his reaction as fake.

btw i would suspect scum to deny faking it

bc faking it for a reaction to a reaction test is lol

there's a real kind of fluidity/extra layer behind this which both works @ surface and makes a lot of sense when he elaborates; makes me think his reads are Real

criticising my going @ the mechstuff was good

i need to work but his iso is consistently Believable thoughts which aren't interested in going with the grain and i think he has a really high level of fluidity. i can feel him moving through the thread in a way that is intuitive enough i think is pretty hard to fake.

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imusername's takes are too selective. Like, he's taking special care to criticise very specific things which he thinks look good to poke at or are reasonable to. The lack of ~feels~ or big picture takes is generally scum-indicative.

he's also, liek, ignoring everything that strikes me as interesting & ignoring ppl trying to sort him which is like..

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hoopla is drifting into the town section of the triangle in my heart

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i liked the one ending on iconeum better

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i was going to do a triangle but it felt Inadequate

Spoiler:

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they're literally cohesive thoughts and my reactions to those posts. if you guys don't understand try maybe responding with what you are/aren't seeing or are seeing differently?

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I think I meant coherent, not cohesive.
I'm rarely cohesive.

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hey worst

are you *trying* to wind me up on purpose?

not even remotely, i'm trying to solve this game!!

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aren't you like. not voting.

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I hacked the site and deleted it.

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I thought you didn't like the pressure on username.

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I suppose it would have.

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Why.... did you feel like...... compelled to ask Hoopla that though

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it's a mysterious game u r playing, young dragon

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the way u called out hoopla kinda lowkey reminds me of this time when i caught scum d1 and he claimed something and another scum tried to suggest that mechanically even if scum#1 WAS scum it was strictly sub-optimal to elim him d1 because of his claim and i was like .... wiiiiild

anyway i digress
i have almost no opinion on hoopla defending username there

do you think it likely comes from scumpla towards scumsername?

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the way u called out hoopla kinda lowkey reminds me of this time when i caught scum d1 and he claimed something and another scum tried to suggest that mechanically even if scum#1 WAS scum it was strictly sub-optimal to elim him d1 because of his claim and i was like .... wiiiiild

anyway i digress
i have almost no opinion on hoopla defending username there

do you think it likely comes from scumpla towards scumsername?

ok

wanna talk about scumyx?

not really, i'm fine with your assessment and don't think he's a very disputable slot rn

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ico did you like my triangle

more importantly did you like my hexagon ):

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oh boy oh boy that's pressure
uh ok
help
I'm suddenly realising this game hasn't been all that Spicy
I'm glad you reassessed ss / your first comment was kinda surface-only; I am slightly Apprehensive about his alignment but that first post you quoted really didn't strike me as phayke at all

I have this weird feeling I'm doing that thing where I townread people who think like me and scumread people whose reads are different and I suppose I'd like a breakthrough to make me realise whether or not this feeling is valid

are you able to expand on what you're Vibing about umlaut's posts? (Assuming you're treating vibing as an explicit town indicator)

I get the impression you and Hoopla have history, so I might outsource a little bit of analysis of her range to you. I've heard through ~certain sources~ that she has a spectacular mechgame. Do you have a strong grasp of her non-mechanical playstyle? / Outside of non-manipulative data analysis how do you feel about her game related content?

could you talk to me about how you feel about the cat? I'm literally in their pocket whether they want me to be or not

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i was going to do a triangle but it felt Inadequate

Spoiler:

analysing my own reads for example you can almost draw a straight line through the players on this list who I am like, social with (outlier being iconeum because )

I appreciate you lumping mine & datisi's solving efforts together because I've been a little bit more null on him than I'd like to be; in a ~rand game where he was town i would have him in the top right corner at this point regardless of my own alignment and it's kinda got me scratching my chin a little

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actually I'm quite pleased Greyons is my strongest townread and word is my weirdest tonal gut townping because those *aren't* players I'm strongly familiar with. I think I'm accidentally nullreading/giving more of a pass to players I know better, there we go.

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>:€

how the fuck can I not be pocketed by this come on

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don't worry I'm scum this game <3

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town*

oops haha

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I'm not sure what to talk to you about to fix it tbqh it's very like, deep-intuition

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VOTE: datisi

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i don't really feel like you're trying to solve the game in the Way Datisi Normally Does; more like you're trying to look like you're doing a lot while kinda, like, drifting through.
your conversation with ico just now felt... incredibly averse? like you were looking at him in a zoo or smth

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prior to this page i would have been more interested in roasting iconeum over hot coals than roasting you over hot coals so i suppose i'm surprised to find you were the one who didn't feel like you wanted to be having the engagement ?

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also that reaction just now

i'm not sure why town!tisi is kinda stunned/confused and then curious vs. previous games you've almost had this prickly vibe around being pushed incorrectly

like
i don't think i'm aaaaaalllllllllllllllllll that towny here tbqh

i'm surprised you would be so blown down by how real that read/vote was that you were too stunned to headbutt me

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i'm not sure if i could hear the unspoken "oh god oh fuck what do i do now" or if i'm just confbiasing. i'll accept i probably couldn't hear you all the way in australia.

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yeah on the downlow i was like 99% sure i heard it

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I can't wait til tomorrow. I feel like we're all just talking around obvscum Marquis and I demand to be vindicated.

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i'm behind on this & playing marathons
interested in people's datisi reads because i sure won't be updating mine for a minute

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lhf = low hanging fruit
keep up the good work drdo

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booooooo

i am so excited for user to reply to my post :3

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do I votepark datisi
or vote ico
or vote umlaut
or vote marquis again

uuuggghhhhh decisions decisions

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do I votepark datisi
or vote ico
or vote umlaut
or vote marquis again

uuuggghhhhh decisions decisions

DECISION MADE

VOTE: marquis

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thanks for not interacting with anything i said, ducky

haven't read it, been busy, will assess later

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A Mood

do you think scum!laut is likely to struggle to make posts criticising the pace of the game & saying that he believes his own reads?

i suppose i'm wondering what about these posts made you go "ah this is town!laut", rather than just "ah, i agree with umlaut that this game is too fast". based on our prev. game together i feel like you're very capable of astute nuanced observations, which makes me a bit nervous that i'm not really following the path of your read here.

i don't feel like i have a strong grasp on anyone's playstyle (even my own). but i have more of a grasp on Hoopla than most of the playerlist i guess.

i expect Hoopla to seem town regardless of alignment, but even bearing that in mind, i enjoyed 472 and 474 immensely and they also send good vibes out to me.

they were cool posts, for sure. that's my impression of Hoopla from a tone pov as well.

i really liked the observation about Ico in 530. especially following on from 519, feels like an organic progression from "Ico seems scummy but i don't know why" --> *looks for reasons* --> "aha! a contradiction!", where i'd expect scum to jump straight to the last step if they saw something contradictory they could push. that pushes them into my townreads.

huh i like this a lot, actually
the tonal scumread on ico definitely felt like A Real Thought

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VOTE: umlaut wheeee

really wish I was scum this game I've tried to skim what I missed like 3 times but my eyes are glazing over I'm getting like no strong impressions of people and just want to get some flip to work off of

ppl probably going to bitch at me so I'll try to commit to a slow full read this weekend but right now I have 0 townreads which is annoying enough for me to want to just deal with this later

How hypocritical is it of me to want to elim Marquis based on this?

it's never hypocritical to want to elim scum.

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i really read that quite the opposite way

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(pardon fucked up timezones)

hi VOTE: the worst

zzzz this already looks boring ill deal with things later

actually VOTE: gypyx l-1

i find it pretty hard to believe that their impression of the game went from "neutral ergo rvs voting tw" to "zzz this is boring" in 45 seconds.
i find it pretty hard that the gypyx vote was for literally any clean-conscious reason.
the entire intro feels like it's constructed to be read a particular way.

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it's never hypocritical to want to elim scum.

:X

i know that's like an hilariously incorrect post, i was trying to sound cool :{

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I'd also expect scum not to come in on page 5 with an explicit announcement that they're not going to play right now, when Things are already happening in the game.

contrary to popular belief, things aren't happening. this is quite possibly the lowest content 25+ page game i've been in.

it's been largely pointless waffling, people jostling for allies, and empty threats that don't carry the risk of execution.

lets actually put someone to L-1 and see what happens.

marquis will do.

react or something

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projecting too much confidence to try and make things happen is fun :c

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it's not an L-1

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i like, specifically very strongly felt those posts were engineered to look nonchalant/towny rather than actually *being* nonchalant/townie

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ooh ooh you like posting words and have a hot take!
what's got you scumreading graycray?
i think ddl is pretty Polarising so i'm less excited about that; maybe later

pedit: sure, that's fine. i am still happy to vanitywagon players over stuff that reads highly disingenuous to me, and i am enjoying the wagon on them a whole lot!

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i'm the first to admit i'm dumb, but i don't see your reasoning on greecray
sorry

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gottem
you're cute

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VOTE: Ico

hey talk to me about this? i don't think it was random, and that is a weird and mystical and exciting feeling.

Don't care for this:

Spoiler: posts

VOTE: gypix

Always trust datisi gut early game

it's not much, but i've got an early townread of hoopla here

luckily for them i'm already solidly pocketed so it's ok

Also not particularly keen about the gypyx shenanigans. Seems like a particularly confident push over very little. Feels like early scum distancing.

i thought he responded v well to this and it didn't feel like a particularly safe/popular opinion

What is it about addressing the flaws in Hoopla's plan, at that precise moment, that caught your attention?

yes very good.

Uh... ok, that just happened, safe to say that scum is on my wagon, try to look for persons who Fake finding me scummy, i'd probably look around grumpy / marquis, anyways bye sucks to suck

VOTE: gypyx

came because the "I totally think I'm dead on page 6"

stayed because the "there is scum on my wagon" + <doesn't even know who is voting him because otherwise he would know that he isn't evicted> = manufactured last words = lying = ?!scum?!

yes excellent

switch back to ico when he realised it wasn't really relevant was good

Green Crayons accurately ascertained Gypyx was faking a reaction after being fakehammered. Scum are less likely to take that accusatory route given they have no reason to think town!Gypyx is lying there, and no one else had seen his reaction as fake.

btw i would suspect scum to deny faking it

bc faking it for a reaction to a reaction test is lol

there's a real kind of fluidity/extra layer behind this which both works @ surface and makes a lot of sense when he elaborates; makes me think his reads are Real

criticising my going @ the mechstuff was good

i need to work but his iso is consistently Believable thoughts which aren't interested in going with the grain and i think he has a really high level of fluidity. i can feel him moving through the thread in a way that is intuitive enough i think is pretty hard to fake.

apparently nobody can tell what i was actually talking about in this post (glare @ ico/dats) but do you like.. feel any feelings while reading this?

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indeed

it felt more performative than sincere to me

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word, can I interest you in being bribed onto the marquis wagon? I have three relaly delicious breadcrumbs on offer.

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word, can I interest you in being bribed onto the marquis wagon? I have three relaly delicious breadcrumbs on offer.

Why aren't you offering me a bribe? I was thinking of voting Marquis anyway but now that I know there are bribes available I may have to hold out longer.

Would be weird to bribe you to not vote yourself.

this one, it literally didn't even occur to me

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marquiiiisssss
umlaaauuuttttt
marquuuiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssss.......
marquis

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finally, the first wagon battle.

umlaut vs. marquis

an intriguing contest. lets view their stats;

UMLAUT

- number pick - #21
- draft position - 3rd
- posting frequency - 31/744
- avatar cuteness - 8/10

MARQUIS

- number pick - #1
- draft position - 4th
- posting frequency - 9/744
- avatar cuteness - 9/10

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the town has narrowed things to two of the top four picks. both choices have remarkably similar cuteness and posting frequency, though you'd have to say umlaut edges marquis on content. are either of them actually scum? hard to say. number analysis views both these slots in the "hot zone™", but we perhaps haven't seen enough behaviourally to make this a slam dunk execution. role claims are looming to be a HUGE factor in determining which way this one will fall.

lets go to expert field commentator the worst for his thoughts.

oh I missed this and I love it

I saw marquis picking on some primary schoolers in the mall the other day

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Somewhat caught up

Umlauts budding attempt wrt being bribed to vote doesn't make me wanna unvote

I definitely wasn't budding.

I don't really see how it's buddying, either. TW, are you feeling especially warm and buddy-like toward me after that comment?

I'm explicitly cold and unfriendly as a principle.

Hot take I think I’d substitute DDL for Hoopla and throw in username.

Hoopla is pretty NAI imo

I'm about here but rapidly Dying of Anxiety over username and I think you're town still
also word is somewhere in my town-to-wouldn't-murder list

I wasn't gonna bribe umlaut, I was asking the question to see whether word would bite at the request to shift to another wagon. he didn't really give me anything but I like him anyway & don't really feel like the umlaut vote was fake.

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I still dislike this but it might just be my style of play then anything. I don't plan on hammering though!

I'm fine w this

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rapidly Dying of Anxiety

Name of your first doom metal band.

haha. yes. first.

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Are counterwagons that build themselves quickly scum or town usually?

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the world is a cruel place
at rand I'd say they're somewhere around 75% likely to be town

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Clover, why are you voting DrD?

you said you wanted to wait to see if anyone else saw what you saw. at this point, it seems apparent that nobody saw it. could you tell us what it is?

Oh I forgot I said that! Uh, I first was curious and wanted to wagon DrD because I remember someone defending him because of his slot on the listing and wanted to see if someone would use that to defend a partner, but I didn't really have much more to go off of so that's probably why I forgot. I think DrD's posting is pretty touchy feely. That list of scumreads feels pretty convenient to me like he wants to keep his options open. I don't get the sense that he's solving more so as accusing if that makes sense?

continue?

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let's play hungry hungry hippos

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mlrbgh

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am i correct to think that from town!me pov there's like... a ++rand chance marquis is scum (and not looking at his abysmal play so far)

why

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Lmk how, to you, is Marq possibly scum discounting his “abysmal play so far”?

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I AM GOING TO THROW UP

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why do you scumread marquis via dayplay

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marquis is capable as scum. so why does that make them scum?

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am i correct to think that from town!me pov there's like... a ++rand chance marquis is scum (and not looking at his abysmal play so far)

this feels......slimy

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and pivoting back to "oh they're ++rand scum because numbers and they're abysmal because they're lurking" makes my stomach sink

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hahaha wow hehe haha wow wouldn't it be funny if dannflor was here haha

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did datisi towntell

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If dats is scum and marquis is town, pushing the marquis elimination would make the number god frown on dats, so in that sense maybe

Idk, the numbers are already saying dat is susp, so for scum!datisi pushing marquis isn't really making the statistics worse imo

the numbers can actually go die oh my god please play the game angry react

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I should have posted this yesterday but

V/LA until Thurs

v/la is over and they posted elsewhere onsite the day after their last post here / inned to another game so.... more v/la than one would expect

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VOTE: grumpy cat
MS is trying to foster an environment of inclusiveness where everyone can be happy. No grumpiness allowed.

by that logic shouldn't we be inclusive towards grumpiness?

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shit so true.

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VOTE: marquis

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maybe :0

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VOTE: gypyx

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marquis should still claim so we know whether to flashelim them later :3

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why are you apologising for having a read ಠ_ಠ
what are your reads like in general currently ಠಿ_ಠಿ
why do I feel like you don't actually have any ಠಿ_ಠ

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assertion

is A50 the new marq

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Am I the only one that dislikes the idea of a 1-shot vigilante entirely?
Particularly, I find a PGO way more townie, but that may be only my opinion and not alignment indicative by itself; but there r so many variables with scum prs in general and the raw odds of actually hitting town with that one shot its not even funny, even if we dnt consider the possibility of scum

you are yeah

A50 was literally a scum PGO the last time he played this setup PGO is much more likely to hit a tpr than a scumbag

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well I'm utterly indifferent about that claim and would pick scum vig and I'm surprised more people haven't picked scum vig historically

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tend to think that someone in the mindset of a vigilante hoping to blast scum at night probably tends towards paying more attention to the game as well

zzzz this already looks boring ill deal with things later

this remains a fairly improbable town post I think?
am I confbiasing?
should I just revote A50?
help

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VOTE: A50 you've been a great help thank you

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This is quite a low policy elim equity plist

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sniff sniff

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anyone else smell the magnificent cologne of desperation?

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Can you link me to that game? I tried to find it in my own threads but could only find one where I was a VT (and replaced out !!!)

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76766
Oops I seem to have confused you with some kind of secret agent

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@tw: I am never getting mad at you for SRing me in ANY game. You can keep on doing this in the next million games we meet in and then see how many of them you've been spot on.

hey it worked fine for me in anuket topaz

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I suppose I'll need to trust my sharp avian intuition

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ditto

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anyone else smell the magnificent cologne of desperation?

I totally forgot how this setup worked, but now I remember. Nobody tell me what to do. Not whom to shoot and certainly not WHEN to do it. It's not just the redirector (who -btw- could interfere even if I was directed to shoot town, just to make it appear like I didn't follow the direction thus shading both myself and the original target). On top of the redirector there's the possibility of a 1-shot Commuter, a Roleblocker, a Scum Doctor or a JK, all of which can interfere with my shot.

So, let's keep it at this: I may or may not shoot tonight, and if I do it's someone of my own choice. That way if a redirector exists and wants to be on me the other TPR are guaranteed their results to -at least- be on their intended targets. If Scum want to block me then other TPRs will have their actions going through... etc, and there's no guarantee that I;m even going to shoot at all, so their redirection/RB'ing is a waste (especially the redirection which is 1-shot)

Like, I wouldn’t call it desperation, but 942 does seem like purposeful attempt to Be Present and Productive after A50 did a whole “I’m not going to do a lot of effort” intro.

and his effort is geared like, quite specifically towards survival.

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marquis didn't drop out under pressure tho

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i'm curious too !

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oh i could vote gypyx too, he's also scum. it's just funny voting a50.

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ss is clearly inside my head.

also like. their posting presents to me as overly-focused on optics in a way that feels performative. i know it's like a whatever but i can't get over how shitty those opening posts are. lol.

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i'm still caught up on how phoney 127/128/129 is
like
45 seconds
they would've spent what like 10 seconds? actually typing those words
are you telling me
a town vig
goes from like
"hi *vote*"
to "wow fuck this game is boring"
in like 30 seconds
then comes back 30 seconds later
with the l-1 gypyx thing

town has maybe gone "hmm this game isn't spicy yet i'll do something to spice it up" which i don't really buy given how quickly the posts were made and the fact they didn't seem interested enough to come back and assess their gambit

or it's scum who is a pretty damn valid power role
wants to slide by
so makes some phony ass posts that look good @ surface value
then exits for as long as possible



am i drunk or

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actually our leading wagons are s/s bang there you go easy game

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you can see mad ravings coming from town!worst??? is that what you're saying huh dragon????

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because you'd be correct!!!!

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i don't doubt the vig claim i just don't think marquis was remotely invested in working out who to do the pew pew to

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which he magically divined in 30 seconds cool

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fuck it
claims for the claim god
VOTE: Gypyx

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i don't disagree, i think they're both scum <:

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if you feel stronger about scum!gypyx, then i'll sheep u and see what happens.
how the turntables, dear doctor.

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I claim mafia goon

mood tbh

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gypyx reads like maf venge `-`

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VOTE: gy.....p.........yyyxxxxxxxxxx..........?

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that's basically a "yes" right...

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he was right to suspect me.

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i am looking at this game and i have no damn clue what to think anymore

why is gypyx like... scum claiming and still doing nothing

why is that wagon so damn hard to push

why is word pushing a50 on the basis of them not picking pgo

what is this game anymore

mood;

because he's scum;

because he's scum;

because that's an opinion word has (but A50 is also scum);

a town stomp

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@gypyx

Spoiler: nobody except Gypyx read this

don't worry, my bus was excellent, nobody suspects a thing. I will avenge u and bring glory to the scumteam.

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I'm not sure that argument often comes from scum arguing against eliminating other scum, personally. it's like, a firmly unpopular opinion

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Do scumread anyone currently?

I'm scumreading S_S

I'm also not a fan of some of worst's posts, and his reaction to my fakeclaim is scummy

I'll fight this I am objectively very obviously town this game.

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^^^ yeah I would think that town would have done something other than

"WELP"

and then has now said

"yup i'm scum who screwed up, want to fight about it?"


if in some horrible world Gypyx is actually town, he still needs to go but my goodness

w h a t

w h y

same I think town in this situation does, like, something meaningful

if it's a gambit I think they do a gambit which can actually parse alignments and not just piss off the entire town

if they're scum they may still have realised they're not hammered and attempted to do a gambit to pad their iso out with sorty stuff but we return to the actual issue that this reaction test would never actually sort alignments

Ergo he's scum or he's so far away from being useful this game I won't she'd a tear if he's green

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Well, exe-2, i think that's enough screwing around

yeah this was a fake reaction once again, logic is that i'm feeling the lynch come anyways so might as well try to do something useful

*sips tea*

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logic is that i'm feeling the lynch come anyways so might as well try to do something useful

...When are you gonna get around to that?

*spills tea*

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congrats, you lied to the town and I will forever want to eliminate you because there's no reason to think that you aren't scum who pulled this to try to look like crafty town

^ me but funnier
I can't come up with a tea-consumption version of this comment

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While I'm sure someone will pipe up with a OH YEAH WHAT ABOUT THIS SITUATION?!

But town should never lie and if you lie, especially on something this incredibly dumb when pressure starts to build on you, I'm going to yeet you into the sun.

as the resident deepwolf who is totally secretly scum and you'll never catch me: I love townies lying but I think the intention behind a lie tells a lot more about the mindset than the existence of the lie itself

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punish all perjurers

ditch all deceivers

I'm quite philosophically opposed to stuff like this. I'd rather kill the person with the highest chance of being scum than the person with the highest chance of being bad, and town lies are fairly common (and not necessarily bad!).

Certainly, occasionally dumb townies offer noticeably bad reactions. And occasionally dumb scum do as well; the question is, which is more likely in the particular scenario. I don't think that 999 could have been intended as a real scumclaim; taken at face value, he'd be claiming scum while under the impression he was not hammered and asking people to unvote, which is nonsensical. So it must have been a poorly considered joke/reaction test.

agreed. what alignment is it coming from?