Mini 2156: Launch Mob [Game Over]

[Kerset]

Why are you playing in evenness? The right way to play is to no-lynch first day. Now you lead game towards nasty 4p lylo.

[Kerset]

can the rest of the town come to play ?

preferably to vote battlemage

Great... BM accused you so now i need to deal with OMGUS

[Kerset]

Who played with Blair before?

[Kerset]

Yea yea you found your "arguments". They prove that your accuser has to be wrong, because he actually happens to be the guilty one. Here comes *headpat* of appreciation for you.

[Kerset]

Why isn't Blair scum?

That's what I thought

VOTE: Blair

That's not very convincing

What is the reasoning for that wagon?

Nosferatu is a bad wagon imo

We're running near deadline

Cool we are running near deadline but you took 0 effort to improve this gamestate.

[Kerset]

I've played Blair before. Why?

She has strange posting style.

[Kerset]

Anyways, right now the r2r wagon is "leading" with two votes (not sure I cont your residual vote from BM), so if you want a different wagon please argue a better one or jump on

I am not confident enough to argue, because i only read second half of this game but i am somewhere around

CantLynchAPuppy
Blair

Mafia Goon
ready2rock

Nosferatu
midwaybear
Dunnstral

VOTE: dunnstral

[Kerset]

so our kill for the day is gonna be bc "well he's not doing much anyway"

One of common tells that someone is member of mafia is their lack of motivation to scumhunt. People, which are spoiled have to pretend that they are trying to figure out the enemy and genuine engagement is slightly more exhausting for them.

[Kerset]

so our kill for the day is gonna be bc "well he's not doing much anyway"

One of common tells that someone is member of mafia is their lack of motivation to scumhunt. People, which are spoiled have to pretend that they are trying to figure out the enemy and genuine engagement is slightly more exhausting for them.

this wagon is policy entirely policy don't even try to say otherwise

otherwise

[Kerset]

lmao hammering at L-2 haven't seen that one

Dunnstral (4): Blair, Kerset, midwaybear, ready2rock

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to launch.

[Kerset]

i am still reading this progression

[Kerset]

If Ydrasse is scum with Dunny, she either stays on him for the bussing towncred, or tries to push something else and save her scum buddy. In what world does she abandon the wagon and push someone who isn't getting launched? None of the worlds is what I'm implying if that wasn't clear.

If Ydrasse is scum and Dunny is town then she still got no reason to push unlaunchable person. She can just stay there and get townie launched instead of her or push someone, who can be launched to save herself. The only world in which this makes sense is where she wish to gain towncred & save dunn for some reason. To be honest it feels rather like poor play rather then something AI.

[Kerset]

it's definitely just one scum. setup doesn't make sense otherwise. it's probably gunsmith/1-shot vig vs. two scum, maybe with some other minor twist since this is umlaut

(x) Doubt

Vig will be tonights target, so i can reveal that i am backup bulletproof. Bulletproof is usually given to traitors to protect them from scum kills, so from design standpoint there is like 90% chance for one scum + traitor remaining.

[Kerset]

I think that one of the mafia members is midway. He lacks of commitment to his own leads. Technically he picked Ydrasse to be his target but his whole agenda was only about pursuing dunn at the time and lynching him. Ydr is only mentioned in terms of receiving credit for his eventual flip.

[Kerset]

if there was a mafia traitor, then why did someone die tonight? Didn't someone say traitors don't have guns?
BM was sorta townie, but this claim is now strange...

it's definitely just one scum. setup doesn't make sense otherwise. it's probably gunsmith/1-shot vig vs. two scum, maybe with some other minor twist since this is umlaut

(x) Doubt

Vig will be tonights target, so i can reveal that i am backup bulletproof. Bulletproof is usually given to traitors to protect them from scum kills, so from design standpoint there is like 90% chance for

one scum + traitor remaining.

Lonely traitor would be endgamed.

[Kerset]

We should get some discussion with arguments being made. We just kind of stare at each other right now.

[Kerset]

He lacks of commitment to his own leads. Technically he picked Ydrasse to be his target but his whole agenda was only about pursuing dunn at the time and lynching him. Ydr is only mentioned in terms of receiving credit for his eventual flip.

[Kerset]

I said that we are in lylo and you quick voted? Why are you so confident in yourself?

[Kerset]

i don't know your current level of trust in me, i though it was mediocre

[Kerset]

Why do you think we're in lylo? Couldn't it just be one scum left?

because solo traitor would be endgamed

Ftr, it's because midway votes "with you", he seems to believe you, then you question his vote and say it was because you weren't sure how much he trusts you. I think it looks weak to call out his vote and then back down to a reason that doesn't really explain the callout

or he is scum, who knows my alignment and act carelessly, because he is not in the threat of instantdefeat like towny. The point of question is to determine this, not the literal point.

Why is no one beside me questioning people? You all act like you don't want to play this game.

[Kerset]

It is quite uncommon for goon to have vest. If mod wants to give goon protection form vig then they are more likely to add hider or commute ability. I am pretty sure that reviewer like northsidegal would encourage skill-based solution there.
Vest is mostly associated with traitors, because possibility of mafia nightkilling their own member creates huge swing and something bold simply has to be added to prevent that.

[Kerset]

I notice there's an even amount of players in the game.. why 10 rather than 9? Has that been figured out?

One reason could be the fact that vig shot turns it back to odd. The other is potential traitor existence.

[Kerset]

It doesn't mean even number. It means 10 rather then 9.

[Kerset]

You sound like you would suspect people for having different opinion then you.

[Kerset]

Okay lets look at their entire exchange

Spoiler: MidwayxYdrasse

@midway: i guess it wasn't clear and that's on me but i don't actually sr you or mafia goon because i haven't taken this seriously yet.

Ok, it just didn't really sound like you were joking to me.

@IV I was thinking there would be 2 scum because 3 seems like a bit too much for a 10p game. I'm not sure though, and it's interesting that there are 10 players instead of 9.

i am a bit suspicious of you being a mafia goon.

Is this legit?

The puppy is cool

@Ydrasse: don't worry. It might look like a lot, but I'm still posting those one liners
I'll reply to BM later, but @BM what made you change your vote? Was it something I did or something Nosferatu did?

my question is: are dumb pushes more prone to come from town or scum though.

They come from both alignments.

i am willing to accept the L

???

My take on what Nosferatu means about Blair/Dunn is that Blair's push on Dunn didn't make sense and thus might have been too informed. However, I think Blair raised a fair point. Also, do you still scumread me blair?

I hope I can post more tomorrow. I think I will VOTE: Ydrasse. I see merit in the Nosferatu wagon, but I think this is fine too.

i sheep this

VOTE: ready2rock

i don't think that ready2rock's statement about nosferatu is really that confident though, tbf. "very combatitive" is strong wording ig but given that it's pinned on as an afterthought i'd argue that there isn't a lot of heart in it.

yeah this is sorta a hedge. I feel better about my vote.

also i've been meaning to ask this for like five games now but what in the world does partner equity actually mean.

It means that two people have an above random chance of being wolves together maybe because of a specific interaction(or lack thereof).
I'm lazy so I am going to call Battle Mage's wall town and desperately pray that he isn't scum taking advantage of heavy apathy. Dunnstral legit always plays in a pretty scummy way, but I guess that's no reason not to vote him. I need to hear from him more.

i hope im doing the right thing

i am an investigative role

This is low key scummy because you aren’t specifying what role. I still will vote ydrasse though
VOTE: Ydrasse

Ydrasse will be the first scum I caught and successfully wagoned. I hope at least.

bruh I started the ydrasse wagon
gimme my towncred

VOTE: Ydrasse

Gimme my towncred now.

i scumread her first, and I don't bus.
I'm not scum here

65, 124 and 144 are not serious at all. 197 and 289 are NAI conversations and in 216 mid decided to cast empty vote. 238 is shading, which could count at pushing his target. 454, 493, 504 and 508 he decided to ask for towncred...

Did i miss any posts or maybe we are talking about different game? First he pushed BM and at later phase, he spend slightly more time on pushing dunn and off tracking over ydra. He was more interested in bragging about ydra to make people memorize his vote placement rather then ensuring his elimination.

[Kerset]

You sound like you would suspect people for having different opinion then you.

What does this even mean?
I want to town read Fidget now...

His argument is about me and puppy being scummy are our opinions. The fact that we townread his slot, while he expect us to scumread it? Also he dislikes the fact that i scumread you, while he finds you towny. Different read is supposed to be scum indicative.

[Kerset]

We finally got a player, who actually makes a reads on players based on backed up data. Does nightkill analysis, which for some reason everyone overlooked. Meantime you for entire week all you are interested in is roleclaim roleclaim roleclaim roleclaim lets talk about roleclaim and how about we doubt roleclaim and lets ask about roleclaim

[Kerset]

just roleclaim

JUST ROLECLAIM

[Kerset]

you are the one bottling up my nerves

[Kerset]

i hope im doing the right thing

i am an investigative role

This is low key scummy because you aren’t specifying what role. I still will vote ydrasse though
VOTE: Ydrasse

Ehhhhhh if midway were trying to claim his credit here, why the hell would he shade IV and still vote Ydrasse? Surely he'd pick one or the other?

BM chose to wait until IV gave more info. Midway was like "Okay Imma vote Ydrasse but you're kinda scummy too", which is just such an odd thing to say honestly even as either alignment but also as scum trying to get credit.

The answer is pretty simple,

i hope im doing the right thing

i am an investigative role

Mid voted ydra right after he got counterclaimed. With CC, it was quite obvious that ydra will be executed regardless, so mid was securing his place on the wagon and wanted to be convincing.

[Kerset]

Kerset, do you think Puppy is on the scumteam in the scenario there's two scum left?

likely

[Kerset]

Kerset is not town because she spent as much time as anyone doing role spec with me

In a game plagued by inactive lurk prod slots

And then after days where I felt like the only one talking, suddenly the fact that I did setup spec is BAD, or something. But kerset only reveals this opinion after there's a sub-in who might buy that opinion

I wanted to talk about players but got ignored, i even gave a reminder.

I think that one of the mafia members is midway. He lacks of commitment to his own leads. Technically he picked Ydrasse to be his target but his whole agenda was only about pursuing dunn at the time and lynching him. Ydr is only mentioned in terms of receiving credit for his eventual flip.

We should get some discussion with arguments being made. We just kind of stare at each other right now.

He lacks of commitment to his own leads. Technically he picked Ydrasse to be his target but his whole agenda was only about pursuing dunn at the time and lynching him. Ydr is only mentioned in terms of receiving credit for his eventual flip.

[Kerset]

It kind of bothers me how Fidget is trying to get me in conflict with puppy. In 797 she calls out the exact thing, she noticed that i am bothered about recently.

[Kerset]

bc you didn't discuss 'this', opinion
anyway, i don't want to argue about it, because something is pushing me to fight you and i am pretty sure that this is what scum want atm

[Kerset]

I see three ways this could go down (obv assuming midway is town), A.) we eliminate Puppy or Kerset, they're scum, yay

B.) we eliminate Puppy or Kerset, we go to Xylo and I would then know which one of them is scum and somehow I've got to prove it to try and save the game

or C.) We eliminate me first and you can use my input to potentially aide you in Xylo

I am not very excited at the thought of B happening

Actually, why do you post it? I don't see how your pov helps us, it is just lamist thing to do.

[Kerset]

vig is town-exclusive role

[Kerset]

Well if absolutely nobody seems to share my traitor feeling then, i guess i am wrong and there is only one scum left. Aside of traitor bulletproof is also given to serial killers but they can't exist in 10p normal.

[Kerset]

Midway what is your puppy read? You never spoke about it.

[Kerset]

If midway is scum and he wins then i am going to call all of you bad rather then him good. For 2 recent days he haven't even been pretending to scumhunt or solve. He keeps nodding to other people and follows common agreements.

[Kerset]

this game stresses me out

Why? You said that we got one mislynch left and you don't receive major suspicion. As replacement you didn't invest that much in to this game, so you don't have much to lose. The only disaster that could happen for you would be elimination of bulletproof traitor.

[Kerset]

and we got secret alt so no checking -.-

[Kerset]

Bad faith is doing 0 reaction testing, you are even diminishing my efforts in that. Neither of you is trying to place fidget outside of her comfort zone. You just look as she speaks her scripted agenda and think that you can check alignment in this way.

[Kerset]

My pick is midway>fidget>puppy

VOTE: midway

[Kerset]

In terms of fidget-puppy. Fidget is slightly more manipulative and raised some red flags. Puppy isn't afraid of being lynched. I don't see scum at this point being like 'you want to lynch me, ye whatever just wary about my cuteness', AtE is just not efficient enough when you are on the edge of losing this game.

[Kerset]

Trusssssst in me midway. Vote with me

Then puppy is going to do more ATE and I’ll feel bad...

It... just sounds like irony. This is influence at emotional level at its basis.

[Kerset]

We shouldn't no launch because there's a chance there's a 1-shot vig or something like that to even (odd) out the numbers.

MG suggested vig by himself

[Kerset]

I don't actually see the logic for a Mafi kill. At the end he had loose scumread on me and the Blair/Fidget slot.

I don't understand.

[Kerset]

Ouh right after i said that puppy doesn't fight back, he does it.

[Kerset]

It would've been much easier for me to push you when that's what everyone else wanted,

When?

[Kerset]

everyone decided mid is town yes? (besides Kerset)

What is the deal with this phasing? That basically just means puppy and r2r. Its obvious that midway doesn't vote for himself.

[Kerset]

Realistically speaking midway launch won't happen today with people opinions being settled like that, so there is no point in continuing this day. I am pretty sure that fid got better chance of flipping scum then puppy and last 20h won't change it.

VOTE: Fidget

[Kerset]

fid, is it over?

[Kerset]

That was quick night.

[Kerset]

Spoiler:

[Kerset]

not sure what to think of the fact that my townreads have been right and getting launched anyways.

If you got 8 players and only one of them is scum then the odds of correct TR are high.

[Kerset]

in that case we should also count the fact that you wanted to launch r2r, which was town as well
you defended town but also wanted to launch other town

[Kerset]

I am here. We can have a productive discussion...
I am quite doubtful now. I could go either way.

Its cool that you have no interest in argumentation your own reads.

[Kerset]

kerset how much is your mind made up

I am pretty sure that there is no traitor
for serious i don't see a lot data that could potentially change anything. Everything posted so far points at mid. Most of the leads are lack of reason why would he be town and minor which suggest that you can be. I am still open but only to new content.

[Kerset]

i was wondering, puppy did you expect this game to have vig on d2?

[Kerset]

We got d1 midway. Which makes posts like this

Spoiler:

i sheep this

VOTE: ready2rock

i don't think that ready2rock's statement about nosferatu is really that confident though, tbf. "very combatitive" is strong wording ig but given that it's pinned on as an afterthought i'd argue that there isn't a lot of heart in it.

yeah this is sorta a hedge. I feel better about my vote.

To clarify a bit, my case is that in his read of midway, especially his ISO analysis post, he presents every post and basically waves his arms and says "see? this is clearly scum!" There's almost no "this isn't too bad" or "I could see this coming from misled town, but..." and this is what I meant by uncharitable.

I actually felt differently about his early read on me. He was leaving room to townread me and that was the reason for my initial vote.

I kinda want to say that this is too careless to come from scum. Been wrong on that before, but I'll go with that for now

With Dunnstral, being lazy as scum is definitely something he would do. I don't think you should let someone free from suspicion just because they seem to be too scummy to be scum.

I think I can see r2r's point based on the quoted portions in 221 about how BM was being uncharitable towards me.

279 ok then...

I do agree with IV's most recent post about how BM's early interactions with me aren't necessarily scum motivated. I'm also not realla fan of Blair calling out people but not really explaining why she thinks that way.

We can argue whenever he pushed ydeasee or someone else but he was actively enforcing his ideas.
Then we got d2 midway. This is like his one biggest post over there.

Spoiler:

Ok, I should have more time on this game now.
@Nosferatu is BM scum just because of how he voted Ydrasse? I know he pressured you for some bad reasons early in the game, but is there anything more to it?
I'm leaning away from Dunnstral, but he probably has to go at some point in this game because he isn't doing much right now.
r2r and Blair I need to look at more...
Still not sure who to vote yet, but we have time.

Once first scum died, he became idle. There is nothing towny in his passive gameplay and the simplest explanation is that he gave up once he lost his partner so early. With d1 scum lynch, this is what i expect from second scum - despair. It's not like you were posting a lot on d2 but there wasn't any major difference between your d1 and d2.
Cheap lamist trick like hey i was the one who got scum is meh, just scummy looking at actually events.

[Kerset]

One thing that crossed my mind is why would scum even kill on n2? If vig presence was predictable then nokill is the best option, it prevents vig from being IC and keeps even numbers of player.

[Kerset]

kerset? what do you think of me. not as town/scum, but what's your take on my personality as a player, strengths / weaknesses that sort of thing. not looking for compliments but trying to work something out here

You seems to be the kind of player, which avoid argues and negative emotions. In terms of hunt more emotional/behavioral oriented then fact-based.

[Kerset]

nah nobody reads walls

You didn't read fidget walls either? Crap we should have told her that she wastes time typing it.

[Kerset]

he even said sorry in 909

[Kerset]

kerset? what do you think of me. not as town/scum, but what's your take on my personality as a player, strengths / weaknesses that sort of thing. not looking for compliments but trying to work something out here

You seems to be the kind of player, which avoid argues and negative emotions. In terms of hunt more emotional/behavioral oriented then fact-based.

thank you. am i someone you would want to get in an argument with? or if we disagreed on some point would you let it go quietly

The only people that i would avoid arguing are someone like jingle or radiantcowbells, who don't know when to end argues and flood me with endless posts.

[Kerset]

Puppy is there any conclusion coming from your questions?

[Kerset]

We got d1 midway. Which makes posts like this

Spoiler:

i sheep this

VOTE: ready2rock

i don't think that ready2rock's statement about nosferatu is really that confident though, tbf. "very combatitive" is strong wording ig but given that it's pinned on as an afterthought i'd argue that there isn't a lot of heart in it.

yeah this is sorta a hedge. I feel better about my vote.

To clarify a bit, my case is that in his read of midway, especially his ISO analysis post, he presents every post and basically waves his arms and says "see? this is clearly scum!" There's almost no "this isn't too bad" or "I could see this coming from misled town, but..." and this is what I meant by uncharitable.

I actually felt differently about his early read on me. He was leaving room to townread me and that was the reason for my initial vote.

I kinda want to say that this is too careless to come from scum. Been wrong on that before, but I'll go with that for now

With Dunnstral, being lazy as scum is definitely something he would do. I don't think you should let someone free from suspicion just because they seem to be too scummy to be scum.

I think I can see r2r's point based on the quoted portions in 221 about how BM was being uncharitable towards me.

279 ok then...

I do agree with IV's most recent post about how BM's early interactions with me aren't necessarily scum motivated. I'm also not realla fan of Blair calling out people but not really explaining why she thinks that way.

We can argue whenever he pushed ydeasee or someone else but he was actively enforcing his ideas.
Then we got d2 midway. This is like his one biggest post over there.

Spoiler:

Ok, I should have more time on this game now.
@Nosferatu is BM scum just because of how he voted Ydrasse? I know he pressured you for some bad reasons early in the game, but is there anything more to it?
I'm leaning away from Dunnstral, but he probably has to go at some point in this game because he isn't doing much right now.
r2r and Blair I need to look at more...
Still not sure who to vote yet, but we have time.

Once first scum died, he became idle. There is nothing towny in his passive gameplay and the simplest explanation is that he gave up once he lost his partner so early. With d1 scum lynch, this is what i expect from second scum - despair. It's not like you were posting a lot on d2 but there wasn't any major difference between your d1 and d2.
Cheap lamist trick like hey i was the one who got scum is meh, just scummy looking at actually events.

midway doesn't deserve that much credit for ydrasse imo because he just asserted she was scum and voted, then hopped off and later back on when it was a strong wagon. not much pushing. otoh it's not exactly scummy either

You only commented my last line. Why did you skip the rest?

[Kerset]

The problem is that you are trying to find evidence to prove your conclusion of mid being town, rather then looking for evidence to determine this conclusion.

[Kerset]

Mid if I was scum I'd vote with kerset against you and win. Game would be over

This applies to all of us.

[Kerset]

Wonderful. I think we should take our time.

We don't really take our time :/

[Kerset]

omg i want to see the facepalm that deathchat just made
midway just did a total 180° over 12h from one intent to another to get the easiest mislynch and puppy is just totally blind to it, clapping for his cleverness. At this point he could quote it from his PT and it wouldn't be noticed. The best part of this is that scum even doesn't know my role, so alignment doesn't change the way you look at setup spec.

At this point this can't be more ridiculous.
VOTE: midway

[Kerset]

Yeah you should vote her.

kerset, I'm just trying to make the best choice in lylo
if you're town please unvote.

You are looking for the best choice but the best option would be for puppy to vote? Yea sure

[Kerset]

I gave you 5 days with presumption of innocence, it was enough. You just make up lies as you go.

[Kerset]

The best part of this is that scum even doesn't know my role, so alignment doesn't change the way you look at setup spec.

I don't understand this at all.

still waiting for an answer to this.

Both scum and town don't know entire setup. If you ask scum to speculate what kind of power is in person X ownership they are going to give you similar answer as town, because they both simply don't know such things.

I gave you 5 days with presumption of innocence, it was enough. You just make up lies as you go.

ok then we lost if you are town.

Your threats only discourage me from unvoting.

[Kerset]

Kerset why'd you have to vote, now midway crosses and it's up to me to win/lose

so your nick could become a true statement

[Kerset]

midway just did a total 180° over 12h from one intent to another to get the easiest mislynch and puppy is just totally blind to it

its hard to give better argument then than, as i said only PT quote would beat it


If you want my meta around F3: viewtopic.php?f=150&t=81719&start=2675

[Kerset]

Though maybe still not what scum would do when there's even a chance midway would vote me still?

probably was feeling the pressure and got overdefensive
Also, look at my reaction to Fidget's fake scum outing. Does that really look fake?

You didn't say "I was first to vote both scum" or "I lead both successful wagons". For some reason in the first one it was important for you but the second one didn't occur to you as scum slaying.

[Kerset]

Would appreciate a scum case from kerset

RLY? Do you honestly read my posts about midway? Each time i say something it gets entirely ignored by you and i need to remind you about my thoughts to provoke any consideration.

We should get some discussion with arguments being made. We just kind of stare at each other right now.

He lacks of commitment to his own leads. Technically he picked Ydrasse to be his target but his whole agenda was only about pursuing dunn at the time and lynching him. Ydr is only mentioned in terms of receiving credit for his eventual flip.

Okay lets look at their entire exchange

Spoiler: MidwayxYdrasse

@midway: i guess it wasn't clear and that's on me but i don't actually sr you or mafia goon because i haven't taken this seriously yet.

Ok, it just didn't really sound like you were joking to me.

@IV I was thinking there would be 2 scum because 3 seems like a bit too much for a 10p game. I'm not sure though, and it's interesting that there are 10 players instead of 9.

i am a bit suspicious of you being a mafia goon.

Is this legit?

The puppy is cool

@Ydrasse: don't worry. It might look like a lot, but I'm still posting those one liners
I'll reply to BM later, but @BM what made you change your vote? Was it something I did or something Nosferatu did?

my question is: are dumb pushes more prone to come from town or scum though.

They come from both alignments.

i am willing to accept the L

???

My take on what Nosferatu means about Blair/Dunn is that Blair's push on Dunn didn't make sense and thus might have been too informed. However, I think Blair raised a fair point. Also, do you still scumread me blair?

I hope I can post more tomorrow. I think I will VOTE: Ydrasse. I see merit in the Nosferatu wagon, but I think this is fine too.

i sheep this

VOTE: ready2rock

i don't think that ready2rock's statement about nosferatu is really that confident though, tbf. "very combatitive" is strong wording ig but given that it's pinned on as an afterthought i'd argue that there isn't a lot of heart in it.

yeah this is sorta a hedge. I feel better about my vote.

also i've been meaning to ask this for like five games now but what in the world does partner equity actually mean.

It means that two people have an above random chance of being wolves together maybe because of a specific interaction(or lack thereof).
I'm lazy so I am going to call Battle Mage's wall town and desperately pray that he isn't scum taking advantage of heavy apathy. Dunnstral legit always plays in a pretty scummy way, but I guess that's no reason not to vote him. I need to hear from him more.

i hope im doing the right thing

i am an investigative role

This is low key scummy because you aren’t specifying what role. I still will vote ydrasse though
VOTE: Ydrasse

Ydrasse will be the first scum I caught and successfully wagoned. I hope at least.

bruh I started the ydrasse wagon
gimme my towncred

VOTE: Ydrasse

Gimme my towncred now.

i scumread her first, and I don't bus.
I'm not scum here

65, 124 and 144 are not serious at all. 197 and 289 are NAI conversations and in 216 mid decided to cast empty vote. 238 is shading, which could count at pushing his target. 454, 493, 504 and 508 he decided to ask for towncred...

Did i miss any posts or maybe we are talking about different game? First he pushed BM and at later phase, he spend slightly more time on pushing dunn and off tracking over ydra. He was more interested in bragging about ydra to make people memorize his vote placement rather then ensuring his elimination.

One thing that crossed my mind is why would scum even kill on n2? If vig presence was predictable then nokill is the best option, it prevents vig from being IC and keeps even numbers of player.

We got d1 midway. Which makes posts like this

Spoiler:

i sheep this

VOTE: ready2rock

i don't think that ready2rock's statement about nosferatu is really that confident though, tbf. "very combatitive" is strong wording ig but given that it's pinned on as an afterthought i'd argue that there isn't a lot of heart in it.

yeah this is sorta a hedge. I feel better about my vote.

To clarify a bit, my case is that in his read of midway, especially his ISO analysis post, he presents every post and basically waves his arms and says "see? this is clearly scum!" There's almost no "this isn't too bad" or "I could see this coming from misled town, but..." and this is what I meant by uncharitable.

I actually felt differently about his early read on me. He was leaving room to townread me and that was the reason for my initial vote.

I kinda want to say that this is too careless to come from scum. Been wrong on that before, but I'll go with that for now

With Dunnstral, being lazy as scum is definitely something he would do. I don't think you should let someone free from suspicion just because they seem to be too scummy to be scum.

I think I can see r2r's point based on the quoted portions in 221 about how BM was being uncharitable towards me.

279 ok then...

I do agree with IV's most recent post about how BM's early interactions with me aren't necessarily scum motivated. I'm also not realla fan of Blair calling out people but not really explaining why she thinks that way.

We can argue whenever he pushed ydeasee or someone else but he was actively enforcing his ideas.
Then we got d2 midway. This is like his one biggest post over there.

Spoiler:

Ok, I should have more time on this game now.
@Nosferatu is BM scum just because of how he voted Ydrasse? I know he pressured you for some bad reasons early in the game, but is there anything more to it?
I'm leaning away from Dunnstral, but he probably has to go at some point in this game because he isn't doing much right now.
r2r and Blair I need to look at more...
Still not sure who to vote yet, but we have time.

Once first scum died, he became idle. There is nothing towny in his passive gameplay and the simplest explanation is that he gave up once he lost his partner so early. With d1 scum lynch, this is what i expect from second scum - despair. It's not like you were posting a lot on d2 but there wasn't any major difference between your d1 and d2.
Cheap lamist trick like hey i was the one who got scum is meh, just scummy looking at actually events.

midway doesn't deserve that much credit for ydrasse imo because he just asserted she was scum and voted, then hopped off and later back on when it was a strong wagon. not much pushing. otoh it's not exactly scummy either

You only commented my last line. Why did you skip the rest?

midway just did a total 180° over 12h from one intent to another to get the easiest mislynch and puppy is just totally blind to it

its hard to give better argument then than, as i said only PT quote would beat it

Meantime each time midway says ANYTHING. You just greet him with open hands and discuss with attentiveness.

Actually, that's the best setup spec anyone's done all game tbh. Embarrassed I didn't think of it first

Willing to give kerset time to respond. I still think it's probably kerset and will vote there, but if you really want me to vote first for a cross I might

So Umlaut, if you really put a backup BP as a red herring, it really made an impact on the game. Good job, but ugh then.

This will be really lmao if Midway is the scum after all

Actually I don't think scum says this here at all, this is one of those town "moments" scum doesn't fake imo

Yeah it's also suggestive that kerset didn't vote until you said you would vote her

I had the thought that scum kerset voting me and making a midway/kerset cross would be game-losing when midway would have voted me otherwise

But since midway decided to vote kerset instead, no longer game-losing. Maybe the better option because that means she controls the cross I stead of midway. Though maybe still not what scum would do when there's even a chance midway would vote me still?

Though maybe still not what scum would do when there's even a chance midway would vote me still?

probably was feeling the pressure and got overdefensive
Also, look at my reaction to Fidget's fake scum outing. Does that really look fake?

It could be. If I was scum and someone fake outed Id immediately fake celebrate with everything I've got

LIKE WTF? You are not unresponsive by your nature, you are just selective. 1091 is just pure "fuck you i don't care about midway doing 180, i need to discuss with him possibility of you being wolf". You don't talk about any of my posts and respond to everything he says. Hmmm i wonder why kerset is demotivated and doesn't reason with arguments HMMMMMM OMG MID YOU SAID FOR 4TH TIME THAT YOU ARE GOING TO CHECK ISO AND FINNALY DID IT? WOW AFTER 2 INGAME DAYS OF DOING NOTHING YOU MADE ACTUALLY READ!? YOU ARE SO TOWNY, LOOK KERSET WHY ARENT YOU SCUMHUNTING LIKE MIDWAY?


Now you ask me to waste my time and make a case? You will just ignore it like everything else.

[Kerset]

Lies.

i just shown quotes, which prove it....

D1 midway also made short posts. I gave up on wallposting. That is cherrypicking.
Also, me not scumhunting is not scummy. No one else was really doing it, and I was in a large theme game at the time that sapped my will to play this game. Now, I am locked in and will do whatever it takes to make YOU the launch today.

You just prove my point. On D1 you were energetic and motivated. On D2,D3 right after your partner got launched you gave up and barely posted. Now when you are close to victory you became energetic again.

You just take my every post and say: No this is not true. Arguing with you would be like talking with pigeon.

Spoiler: Midway case on D1 actions

216
Okay first we have midway vote. He gave with and promised to explain later. Spoiler alert: He never did.
238
Here he 'feels better about his vote'. Ydra is not being attacked, accused or shaded. He discuss dunnstral case with r2r.
239
calls r2r good
243
self defense
250
talk with dunn
267
we prob should hang yra, if nothing comes up
289
explains term
347
Alright, we going Dunnstral today? (this time without probably)
371
wants to hang dunn
386
yra is also fine lynch
392
but launch dunn

when VC switches from Dunn to Yra

Vote Count 1.11

Ydrasse

(3): midwaybear, innocentvillager, Nosferatu

Dunnstral

(2): Blair, ready2rock

Blair

(2): Dunnstral, Mafia Goon

Mafia Goon

(1): Ydrasse

midwaybear

(1): CantLynchAPuppy

Not voting

(1): Battle Mage

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-08-04 23:30:00)

422
mid switches to dunn

*then Ydra is pushed to claim and receive CC, which settles his launch*

i hope im doing the right thing

i am an investigative role

This is low key scummy because you aren’t specifying what role. I still will vote ydrasse though
VOTE: Ydrasse

He goes back on Ydra wagon but doubts CC.

-Ydra gets launched-

He didn't push or shade ydra at all, there was no commitment like in BM. He stayed there so dunn mislaunch could happen in the background. Once ydra got some votes instead, he tried to push it back at dunn and came back only when things got settled to keep his place on wagon.

Pretty much what i said once i replaced but with quote references.

[Kerset]

Now if there is a red herring of backup BP, that just makes a weird setup with 3 pseudo confirmed townies with potential to clear more against 2 scum. That is quite townsided IMO.

So backup BP has to be false, because it a pseudo confirmed town role? How am i confirmed? Where is my potential clear? If my role is a red herring then there is no way for me to confirm it.
Your theory is that on N2 i decided to claim unconfirmable role, so this setup could look weirder? What is the advantage in that? Entertainment of audience?

[Kerset]

Reviewers: northsidegal, Ircher

Neither nothy or Ircher doesn't consider powerless role as TPR

[Kerset]

or maybe i should say phase it: they don't count it as such

[Kerset]

what about BM who basically lurked out D2? All he did was weakly push Nosferatu in two posts lol

He had out of game reasons, which ultimately caused him to replace.

[Kerset]

216
Okay first we have midway vote. He gave with and promised to explain later. Spoiler alert: He never did.
238
Here he 'feels better about his vote'. Ydra is not being attacked, accused or shaded. He discuss dunnstral case with r2r.
239
calls r2r good
243
self defense
250
talk with dunn
267
we prob should hang yra, if nothing comes up
289
explains term
347
Alright, we going Dunnstral today? (this time without probably)
371
wants to hang dunn
386
yra is also fine lynch
392
but launch dunn

when VC switches from Dunn to Yra

Vote Count 1.11

Ydrasse

(3): midwaybear, innocentvillager, Nosferatu

Dunnstral

(2): Blair, ready2rock

Blair

(2): Dunnstral, Mafia Goon

Mafia Goon

(1): Ydrasse

midwaybear

(1): CantLynchAPuppy

Not voting

(1): Battle Mage

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-08-04 23:30:00)

422
mid switches to dunn

*then Ydra is pushed to claim and receive CC, which settles his launch*

i hope im doing the right thing

i am an investigative role

This is low key scummy because you aren’t specifying what role. I still will vote ydrasse though
VOTE: Ydrasse

He goes back on Ydra wagon but doubts CC.

-Ydra gets launched-

He didn't push or shade ydra at all, there was no commitment like in BM. He stayed there so dunn mislaunch could happen in the background. Once ydra got some votes instead, he tried to push it back at dunn and came back only when things got settled to keep his place on wagon.[/spoiler]
Pretty much what i said once i replaced but with quote references.

1104 is explained here. Once true fact as showed your facade falls. You can say lies lies lies all you want but quotes with context speak for itself.

[Kerset]

and switch to other wagon once your partner got actual votes....

[Kerset]

You still insist that your setup theory makes sense? You love to defy facts, don't you? I do modding, so i can even show you the most similar setup from archive.

Mini Normal 2040

Moderator:

DrDolittle

Current Update:

Town Win

Player List:

1. Auro,
   Town 1-shot Vigilante
   , killed night 1
   
2. ofrhz,
   Mafia Informed
   , lynched day 3
   
3. Almost50
   replaced aslightrain
   ,
   Town Informed Gunsmith
   , killed night 3
   
4. BrightEyedFish,
   Town Night 8 Vigilante
   , lynched day 1
   
5. Clemency,
   Town 2-shot Bodyguard
   , killed night 2
   
6. DVa,
   Vanilla Townie
   , survived and won
   
7. Not_Mafia,
   Vanilla Townie
   , survived and won
   
8. Elsa Jay,
   Mafia Multitasking Odd-Night Rolecop
   , lynched day 4
   
9. Sashaddin,
   Vanilla Townie
   , survived and won
   
10. Carmen
    replaced tictac
    ,
    Vanilla Townie
    , lynched day 2

1-shot Vig + Gunsmith + Protective + Powerless trap role.

4 PTR

with your math. We even got the same number of players
Your argument is that 1-shot Vig + Gunsmith + Named is overly Townsided? You insist that this game has to be just 1-shot Vig + Gunsmith?

As i said every time reference is being shown your points are revealed to be just a delusion, which you are trying to enforce.

[Kerset]

nah midway trolls you XDDDDD we lost

[Kerset]

wow umlaut you won't even let me to toy with him

[Kerset]

This game was so horrible. I had to play solo with partner just lynched on day 1 with no power and people had no personal conflicts, which could give mislaunches. I predicted that there will be vigshot soon but there was no way to block it, so one kill got wasted to remove IC. Good thing that i didn't need to effort for few more days, i was completely exhausted on the lylo beginning.

[Kerset]

great effort kerset!
did I catch kerset for the wrong reasons or did the claim actually not fit?

I wonder what would northy say about it. She is friendly, so i will try to summon her.

[Kerset]

Fidget i answered your questions in my PT.