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VOTE: george bailey
Iconeum tring GB seems p towny but i actually think his entrance was scummy
dont think that the thing snowblaze said was towny at all
hi VPB, hope we can work together this time around

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NPOM, you mind sharing your alt?

i hate alts
i am town reading u atm btw
also town reading datisti

i'm not a master at reading ico. i was just pointing out that your reasoning for thinking i'm town (me making a point about ico's certainty) might not be true (i don't think he's scum right now) - so i'm wondering how that knowledge affects your read on me.

what do u think about ico going hard in on a townread from the very beginning
in particular like 'townslip' is very charged rhetoric

jankofan has reported technical difficulties with posting. This is currently being looked into.

i am also having technical difficulties with posting......... every time i try to start typing i get distracted by my own beauty & smartness & sexiness

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do not worry this issue is also currently being looked into ( i am looking at my self , in the mirror)

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how are you coming to a scum!Icon conclusion when i'm standing in front of everyone, clearly not afraid to speak out and DEFINITELY not afraid of drawing attention?
when you just say scum are likely NOT to do this?

i was TRing you for the GB townread thing & you're not wrong but this comes across as someone frustrated that they're not getting the credit for trying to take a controlling part in the game

Huh ok, suddenly so many Icon posts lol

yea. like what do u think about them

I find myself hard agreeing with most of what VP Baltar has already explained regarding Iconeum’s push on NPOM, which I thought was too much on what seemed to me as mildly defensive. So I’m going to place VP Baltar as a Town Lean, though I’ll admit that he certainly sounds like he’s been around, so could be fooling me with the tone.

and in case this is all a big ol' town brawl going on, this is scum

not a bad take. I think scum likes to take an active role in controlling the outcome of situations like this but stick to the immediate sidelines. see: andres, snowblaze.
VOTE: andres

datisti

sorry

3) accuses me of hopping on an easy wagon, while it's the opposite of what I did. I defended someone I thought was town. If I wanted to go for the easy wagon, I'd have voted GB (unless you think the team is exactly Ico + GB lol). So how does that work?

bad

Let's get some more votes on Icon pls. Hellbrooks, testarossa, we got a live one over here.

i'll consider it

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scum vibes from testarossa too. no i will not be explaining at this time

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Join forces with me and together, we can scumread the whole world

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@hellbooks: what’s your current read on me? You’ve mentioned not finding my earlier post towny and my doing something scum are likely to do - does this imply you think I’m scum?

short answer: yes.
long answer: most of your actions as of late have seemed to ask people to clarify something or other which could be genuine or could be busy work, am waiting to see how you follow up on these things

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hi every1 had a busy day but im reading now yes hello yes oh jeez come on hold the applause ok havent said anything yet!

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what the FUCK
i missed a lot

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UNVOTE:
andres feelin a little towny from p. 11

VOTE: SnowBlaze

I agree with Hellbooks on:

most of your actions as of late have seemed to ask people to clarify something or other which could be genuine or could be busy work, am waiting to see how you follow up on these things

It seems a lot like what I thought NPOM was doing earlier.

might join u on this even tho george bailey

also how many scum are in a mini normal cause this is my firs ttime playing a mini normal

............................................scummy

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Yeap i'm lacking scumreads

you're also townreading for pretty flimsy reasons
( i am townreading u tho)

do you know a lot of players who like pressure?

i like pressure : )

i dont think dkkoba has made any Game Destroying posts.

ok anyway, i shall respond to your reads with a triangle:

this format is so good & i like ur reads however it feels like u are like wildly confident on a george bailey townread for..... making a few posts that were good ?

i wonder if snowblaze and jankofan are scum together

okay okay not a bad take
i'm getting cagey vibes from janko

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Tring ico harder on p. 18
dkkoba feels towny actually

I’m not clearing DkKoba. But their entrance has been sarcastic from the very start. Just look at how they have been responding to my reads. And the self-voting is whatever. I have self-hammered while screaming for someone’s head as Town. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do to help the Team.

the shutting down of inquiry here feels self-interested

i turned 24 2 days ago (:

happy birthday DkKoba

i feel like george bailey is saying a lot of things i agree with while perfectly remaining in the scum posting mindspace... he walks a thin line

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eugh feel like i consumed too much in one go and im still stuck on digesting... cant really 'get' the game state

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It's ok, I got you. Vote Billy or snowblaze

can i have little bit of time T.T

like if you wanna talk about his scum mindspace i'm all ears

gives me a strong "i dont want to rock the boat" kind of energy

i do not mean to derail potential useful conversaton but, i must ask, what is a "Game Destroying" post?

people were just like saying you replaced in and started destroying the game and ijust thought your posts were like fine

i dont scumread either so thats gonna be a from me

i laughed so hard

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i am also trying to pocket dk koba

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i use maf silver on my main and that mod color is like hilariously unreadable

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And even if I was “useless”, I don’t even see how that makes me scum as opposed to useless town.

scumreading this

In slightly more cheerful news, adding NPOM to my townleans. The repeated unvoting and backing off feels genuine, and I don’t think scum are as likely to do that when the wagons in question are still viable.

mildly townreading this

i wanna say her hellbooks vote is giving me a bad vibe of "hey look! i am interested in solving! why is nobody talking to me! talk to me about hellbooks!" but /shrug it might be me projecting how i play scum more than actual scum motivation.

i thought it was fine but maybe i just like the attention

VOTE: snowblaze

ya'll can shout at me as much as you want for this vote

but i think it's needed to get the game moving

seems towny

I'm townreading you less now due to your willingness to wagon your townreads. I'm not instantly defending it. I've actually interacted with snow. This reminds me of a previous game where town ganged up on a easy mislynch and they ended up being town. D1 lynches are more often town than scum and this just looks like town to me.

If blaze flips scum, here is her buddy. Mark your cards now bingo players!

agree

whoa im terse today

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I think there is a semi-loose group right now of you, me, Ico, GB, hellbrooks with some side folks from Andres, Tess and NPOM.

my personal vanguard is DATISI / VP BALTAR / DK KOBA / ICONEUM
^ if one of youse is a fuckin rat i swear... come clean now and you'll get off easy but if i find out.. if i find out ur scum things are gonna get real sour for you

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i use maf silver on my main and that mod color is like hilariously unreadable

Omg, same. I almost said something earlier, but didn't want to be rude to the mod

its kind of fun... "mystery votecount"

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VOTE: snowblaze
ok friend..... you could claim if ur up to it .....

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rly torn on what to think about that statement

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Do not hammer until I've had time to give my thoughts tomorrow.

this one snowblaze
also, i'm personally fine cuz i'm using black on this acct but i think a a darker blue would probably be more readable?

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also thinking atm that NPOM has higher scum equity if snowblaze is town actually

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pedit: what’s scummy about that statement, hellbooks? Also I really want NPOM to be town, I don’t want the only person actually defending me to be scum. (Yes, I am aware this is bad logic.)

no like im townreading it

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catch up in a few hrs

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shit shit. sorry forgot about this.

panic claims ....

what does that tell us

tbf -- i explicitly raised the possibility of her claiming if she wanted to

JESUS Christ. the game doubled in size since i last read this

Tbh Snow feels kind of a bit more like defeatist town than scum that is more or less accepting her elimination. But that is more gut.

scummy thing to say~
DK & alduskkel switching off of snow is p towny if snow is town
slightly lesser for datisi cause he was already on-wagon and didn't have the hammer opportunity
obv all preflip but it's also crucial to note that they did that if snow ends up being scum too
george bailey has been laying criminally low tbh... feel like we could just nuke george bailey

Oh well, so that happened. At least this time sooner than later. Since hellbooks is scumreading me too I consider myself as pretty much dead. Going to take a look at my wagon.

don't be so sure, hellbooks vanished into the mountains for like three days : D

kind of getting paranoid about dkkoba's excitement posting tbh. plausible theater
theyre still a p strong townread

Literally everyone still on the snowblaze wagon is pretty solid town reads from most people in the game. A magical testarossa counter wagon emerges from nowhere to stop this elim?

Naw, dawg.

I need to spend some time today to closely dissect what happened, but now I'm more confident in testarossa town. Snowblaze is scum.

at this timestamp i am still slightly happier with a snowblaze wagon

i think her sorting is genuine and i don't see an agenda behind her posting.

The agenda behind my posting: be as Hot as Possible

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The comment that I am lurking when I am one of the most active players is a joke.

could be scum self conscious defense

Why is asking how many scum are in the game scummy?

feels like its moderately more plausible for scum to fake asking this question than for town to genuine ask this question
kind of more a probabilities thing than a circumstantial evidence thing tho
+ not rly factoring into my read at this point

VP doing a big testa defense also should be noted (so i am noting it, for myself)

You think the scum play when you're being wagoned is to townread your counterwagon then try and start a counter-counterwagon on someone that left you for your counterwagon? I mean I'm missing the scum motivation in that play specifically.

Yes.
this like happens

Hi d k koba!! hi datisi! my faves~ i forgot i was in this game 2.

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im so excited to find out who thee fuck bob is

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Can someone who is not Koba tell me if scum always have day chat? The fact that it needs to be in the rules makes me think not...

i think its fairly common but not necessarily assumable
i'm not fully plugged in to the Mafia of Today tho
i'd glance at it but not say its a scumslip

ok with GB lurking? no. but I know that GB is genuinely a busy person so im not going to fault them for not being as active as myself. and regardless i have them outside my pool based on PoE

if, not today but on a future day, i rallied a dedicated push on George Bailey what would u do
how would you defend him
why is he town

THat was like 8 months ago. Get with it.

lol

call me crazy but in my experience, 3 scum dynamic is easier to solve, if not at least get 2/3 early on over a 2 scum one in my experience in chat mafia. The struggle more lies in trying to coordinate town when theres 3 mafia available to distract and mislead

so did someone inform u there were 3 scum in a mini orrrrrrrrrrrrr

I think testa/NPOM/janko has 2 scum in it

testa + jankz is not fully out the question for sure
given this dynamic tbh

Do females use the term bruh? I think you just revealed your gender

Holy shit there are so many things wrong about this post what even....why???

+1

catch up in a few hrs

o hey its me

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VOTE: bob

this in Towny things d k koba does

ppl obsessed with "logic" flip scum 4/5 times

ok tru as fuck tho~

And if george is town. the odds of hellbrooks being town is 80%

have no idea why this is true but its like so fucking funny

For now I am cool with this:

VOTE: jankofan


Also @Billy:
Why is bob town?

oo ok walking back that jank + testa theory
andres reeks of opportunism
that being said im glad ive been on this righteous wagon the whole time despite disappearing into the mountains

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I've never heard a girl say bruh but I understand the error of my ways.

twitter

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cider but also i wanna note taht sober me thinks that u are p blatant scum too lol

laughed

C'est la vie

laughed again

who tf is bob?

for real tho

Really? Is that how you interpret that?

agree the rep out isnt scummy however bob has generally been Not Towny

if we flip janko and that hits scum, we will have a bunch of cleared town to work with tomorrow (and of which is at least testa, which is worth a lot)

good mind meld on this ico
loving my vanguard more and more

think npom has suddenly been mediumly towny in these dozens of pages

like

- townreading snow, nowhere to be fucking seen to defend her when she reached L-1
- once her wagon deflated, oops he's here to put testa to L-1 sure
- "i wasn't posting because i had nothing to say" oh really?
- bob reps in, ah yes scum robot. ah yes reading in retrospect snow was obviously scummy. no i will not be elaborating on this.

im happy to vote a survivalistic pivot but im still thinking bob is kind of busy work scum

Ok, I've read Janko's ISO and I think he's a much better selection than bob right now.

VOTE: JankoFan

snow's exit/Bob's entrance were also scummy

this is E-1 (deja vu)

VOTE: bob

I think Bob opening with VCA after replacing in felt a little awkward without a flip, but he did a pretty good summary of the game afterwards. Enough to make the slot townie.

I don't think Snow's exit felt scummy either. She was the leading wagon for a while and it can get frustrating for either alignment to get tunneled like that.

Quick Hammering this is a scum claim before Aldusk comes back.

if bob is scum we need to blast george bailey into space

"o hey its me"

IS IT WEIRD TO TOWNREAD BASED ON JUST THAT ONE LINE LMFAO

ill take waht i can get~ <3

aldu give me cross hammer u wont ragret

dusk should get the cross

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dusk should get the cross

only half joking abt this

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: O

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glad i could get my thots in right b4 the hammer tho

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sorry jankz

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VOTE: dkkoba
^ this vote is to provide the illusion of D1 not having ended yet

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i am going to continue to call out my ANTI-VANGUARD of bob, george bailey, and andres

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i am going to continue to call out my ANTI-VANGUARD of bob, george bailey, and andres

(my scumreads for clarification)

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this isn't scum who is worried about looking bad on a town flip lol

i think scum is pretty capable of doing this.
sorry for tunneling you georg baily.

andres ur the only one here i have locktown tbh so im likliest to listen to u

why though

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also hold up gotta check who died

untrustworthy vibes

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consider the vanguard officially disbanded .. clearly need to reeval

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it makes hellbooks look somewhat bad (look at the anti-vanguard post in 1676)

can you explain

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hi everyone super busy but def will post before i go to bed tonight anyway hope youre having a good time xoxo much love

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i promise i wont forget for another 40 pages ok ?

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y o !

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But what I do want to see is more opinions from {Alduskkel, hellbooks, Testarossa}

I am a veritable fountain of opinions (many of them bad)
currently incubating some takes on datisi & bob
billy's kind of been coasting
aldu as well after that hammer
you're looking better but not enough for me not to have u in my poe

Like serously, do you expect people to be on your beck and call. Im not going to let my dinner so cold to spend time on this am i

respect ! live ur life !
also ur reads r like pretty on point (for a scum... unless ??)

i'm a 1-shot loyal neighborizer. i tried to neighborize you last night, baltar. it failed. i think that's because you're scum. hence bob town.

ope ! ya i just silently assumed that you just had like an inno result on bob, but yeah -- datisi as scum would not do this weird bob-crumb -> fake guilty 1v1 in his position coming out of D1
i believe baltar 2 fyi. lol. but why not just inv bob but shrug i wont tell u how to play ur role no you know what GB was a good invest still kinda wild he died

How many times do I have to say yeet Bob?

only thing stopping me from rejoining this wagon was me thinking dats had an inno on bob soooo VOTE: bob
lets do ittttttt

i don't actually know. lol i kinda townread him idk. my reads are fucked.

i assume u thought bob was town bc u thought baltar was scum

also if bob is scum then that means that he's almost certainly been bussed by his partners?? that doesn't really make sense???

think aldu is reacting in a towny way to the game situation
and to respond to this -- the way i envision it, maybe the deepwolf bussing bob and the other trying to push the janko wagon thru idk
i think scum was almost certainly on janko if bob is scum

putting both tracker and pt cop on bob seems like overkill for what is a widely scumread slot

probably not smart to leash the tracker
if vp is telling the truth he's a dead man anyway so no point in trying to second guess it
testa looks worse re: the second guess i think?

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Also choo choo where my hellbooks votes at. The resistance to get this is too great

sorry but like everyone loves me nice try tho xo

Testarossa T
DkKoba T
Datisi S
Alduskkel T
bob3141 T
Iconeum T
VP Baltar S
Andresvmb T
NoPowerOverMe T
hellbooks N
Billy Pilgrim N

T-Town
S-Scum
N-Null

1) this is fucking insane
2) this is town

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y o !

hello mafia (:

hi do u need something ? : )

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i suggest u trust the wisdom of the ppl on this one

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sorry ive been hella busy and on my phone but go ahead babe lets hear it
ill make a real post soon

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I also suspected scum PT cop for a minute but yeah nah its pretty implausible

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Great.

Got a positive on hellbrooks. You sneaky sneaky sneak.

VOTE: hellbrooks

i have bad news about a false guilty you have received that datisi will be able to tell you about

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there were three masons

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hahahahaha

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a beautiful disaster in motion

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Scum rolecop seems rly plausible in this setup
Not to mention this minefield of false guilties all of which we have perfectly managed to step on

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The way bob said FACTS when he linked me & billy tho???????? (Or at least according to andres he did)

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Honestly its not such a bad spot that were in rn but yeah im out too real post in a bit soz
Im just a mason vpb

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The Scum Team should then be {Alduskkel, DkKoba, NPOM}, and NPOM and DkKoba have been engaged in Scum Theater this whole time. Good job guys.

I think any of my personal goodwill towards the latter two has largely evaporated but I think I would be considering them as scum individually

Inbefore Baltar gets next night again a guilty and you guys reveal there is actually a fourth Mason.

You're actually all masons and we only win this by choosing not to eliminate someone. Check your role PM again.

we're cultists

i think scum PT cop could fit, but in that case there is more town power (3masons v 3goons is considered slightly scumsided in a closed game, that + scum PT cop wouldn't pass review), which is why i'm saying, if you're town and not a VT, you should probably say something.

do not claim we do not need to confirm vp right now he can just simply give us Results if he is alive
(surely the time to say this has already passed but)

Hellbooks as a check makes a lot of sense. If I had been a PT Cop, I probably check there too. So I was expecting you to either come out and say that you had checked Datisi (since you had revealed a positive, which would have made you Scum in my eyes), or come out with an actual positive (Town).

yeah I suppose with the knowledge of a PT cop i ought to have like, attempted to make myself less checkable

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Yo, how many times do I have to explain the same thing over and over? DkKoba did a tremendous job of making me doubt my early TR of Testarossa. I’m concluding that DkKoba is Scum, so Testa is Town. Testa, via wagon analysis, concluded Bob was Town and did not want to push that. Testa has the same POE as I do... all in all, Testa is very likely Town from where I sit.

I would say that someone having the same POE as you is not something to give townpoints over
there will certainly be scum positioned off the bob wagon
I think testa is strongly in my poe so would like to talk to you about this
i will say to me, iirc, it's less likely koba and testa are scum together than it is koba and npom honestly

was that a post for the scum PT? i feel like town is doing p shite right now

LOL

im only interested in andres/aldu today. maybe testa

would actually love to vote testa with you esp given that they have all but vanished
btwn andres aldu i lean andres but its hard feel like the way they've engaged w game has been very different

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Not to shit on any of your reads, but Hellbooks literally had an anti-vanguard that was all wrong, and I even pointed it to when I made my case that Hellbooks was a soft SR. You guys might just be confirming each other’s views, and way off.

yeah my reads are generally shite dont believe me

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andres desperately wants to prove that hes town in a way that makes me want to believe him

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back to leaning aldu over the two i guess

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@Ico, Datisi, hellbrooks - my instincts say there is a non-zero chance scum have left the door open to bus today. The PoE is very tight and I think if they want to win this, SOMEONE is going to need some hard town cred to generate enough WIFOM that it carries them through.

Obviously the scum ideal here is another miselim, but the odds on that are much smaller than they were on previous days. For example, rereading the Andres/NPOM exchange is looking like possible theater to me.

I think we just need to align the block of dats/hellbrooks/Ico/VP and then we are basically golden and can't be influenced by the PoE pool.

sure, lets talk. what do you think about andres
what do you think about his testa townread

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anyway i guess we're waiting for koba to claim something?

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Considering I am now down to a poe of Aldus, Andres, NPOM and Koba the current situation is a bit curious. It can't be that easy with finding the townie in them with literally three of these piling up on Andres?

I think if andres is scum it makes sense he's getting bussed

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what do yall make of testa posting three paragraphs about andres and then finishing it by saying "but aldus might be our best shot today"

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I'm not a fan of either's wall of info approach. It's exactly what I do as scum when I get in trouble.

yup

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I’m not getting bussed. I find it really difficult to believe that you all can’t read all of the Towniness radiating from my posts.

i feel like im giving you a lot of leeway rn and you're getting defensive

Datisi and hells -- what is your preference today?

aldus at this moment i think

From my point of view Aldus is the only unknown slot that always stayed away from the bobwagon (and I have Ico as town). If Aldus is town this would mean that all three scum must have piled upon bob on D2. This would imply that the NPOM counterwagon urged them to to get the bob elim through. If Aldus is scum the crucial vc was this:

bob3141 (3): Andresvmb, VP Baltar, NoPowerOverMe
NoPowerOverMe (3): Billy Pilgrim, Datisi, Alduskkel
Hellbooks (1): DkKoba
Not Voting (4): hellbooks, bob3141, Testarossa, Iconeum

Aldus tied NPOM with bob. He could have counted on hell and Koba voting bob and Ico has also shown approval for a bob elim before. So a bus could have been safe and I kind of think, if scum knew Billy was a Mason, I can imagine at least one scum would side with the Mason. Works with townNPOM too, which leads to Aldus/Andres again, which I am not really feeling by D3 interactions.

not a bad analysis yea

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heres a question for testa voters:
how likely is testa/koba
how likely is testa/andres

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if aldus flips scum and like, testa is town -> i'd look at ico
dancing around aldus, saying he'd be a good flip, never going thru with it

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like it or not but you and hell are gonna have to carry right now

get on my back team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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(says the person who hasn't had a correct read in... well, her whole life)

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yes to clarify i am willing to vote testa today

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yes to clarify i am willing to vote testa today

I'm open to hearing the Aldus over Tess argument too. What are you thinking?

i think aldus is plausibly in the position of trying to coast it out and weakly bus his partners and not really throw hands (knowing that he's not in a driving role in the game and thus wont be in danger of having those busses lead directly to his partners dying). i also dont think the hammer was particularly alignment indicative. i'm happy to wait until he comes back and posts before delivering a final verdict on a prefernce

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i already called out testa d1 and we shoulda gone there right away and its sad we went with janko vs bob

werent you trying to get a flashwagon on npom

I don’t know that I’m willing to die on this rock, but if I am right about something for once (Testarossa being Town), it’ll be a good feeling. And if I’m wrong, then we’ve got Scum so it’s almost a win/win. The downside of course is that I’m probably getting killed tomorrow if Testa flips Scum and I wasn’t on the wagon, but that’s just how it goes sometimes.

this is funny and also kind of towny just a little bit though

aldus or npow

i'll compromise vote testa but i think aldus is still the better flip

i have to admit that koba is by far the longshot in that team

aldus koba has rising partner equity

Plus, Tess D2 goes from bloodlust for Billy to like a null read on him. That also fits with this theory that scum rolecopped Billy N1

good point

something is telling me "that hammer on bob was absolute trash but it's town trash" and uuuuugh

i think the hammer was fine but it could be scum fine. lol

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Hellbrooks and Datisi, we don't have a lot of time left. If there is a good Aldus case, please make it. Convince me if that's the right move (or elsewhere if you think that's better). I think I've outlined some clear points for Tess, and as far as I can tell, this wagon is people you both mostly consider town.

yeah. ok. i am going to vote in a block with datisi here but i think i'm happy to trust the tess voters at this point. in particular there are a couple things here: aldus not voting the counterwagon for one, being offended at datisi calling the hammer town trash, i think those things could be towny

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what's testa's read progression on aldus -- let me look at that

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seems like she's been consistently scumreading him without actually slapping down a vote there for a while

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in fact aldusk has been in practically every poe pool that testa has advanced (of which there have been quite a few this game)

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i think i would rather flip aldus or testa than anyone else

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The miasma of anti-townness is always going to swirl

mood

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i think flipped scum will make it easier to sort npom fwiw. like, in theory

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i think aldus testa is like not implausible and might even be: plausible. and yes, i agree a town flip would be nightmarish here

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if testa is scum it explains her light shade campaign on aldus + if aldus is scum it explains the reason he's not voting the counterwagon. however this is absolutely not like a working theory or anything just something i'm keeping in mind. i'm reading them as individuals right now

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im not really townreading andres

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also can you like not

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ugh
im getting annoyed. break time

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Okay so, I’ll say this because I need to recognize this sort of thing. I’m going to start with I don’t feel like moving. The way the wagons are forming late today - I really can’t imagine that Testa flips Scum. I can’t.

Having said that, Testa’s evolution on Billy fits exactly with what you would expect from Scum that are trying to move away from a SR on Billy after figuring out that they were Town Tracker, and wanted to avoid suspicion. I’m not going to lie.

can u tell me about what wagon analysis you have that is so strong as to nullify the second statement in your general read

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i need
r e a s o n s
to include koba in the townblocc

let's not talk about voting koba, at least for today

I trust Andres as far as I can throw him.

were you not townreading a couple pages ago

@Datisi @Hellbooks I think that without your direction this game is not going to move forward. You still have a Day. If anybody wants to ask me something in good faith I’ll be around.

i am probably going to move forward on a testa wagon if there aren't any other dedicated efforts from datisi today.

If you were town you would entertain scum!Test. You're putting your ego ahead of the team if you are town. Or if you are scum you are trying to save a partner, as you said.

it's also possible that if andres is scum, he is positioning to get correctness points on a testa town flip. that's not my working theory but we ought to leave that possibility ope

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although if VP has any strong conclusions from his reevaluation today i will of course consider

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But the more I hear from Andres the more I think he's town.

maybe i was overestimating the strenght of this statement

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That was clearly not an attack on you andres

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ohhhhhhhh lol. my bad yeah i was like

oops

really gotta stop doing that. sorry everyone yeah i know alts are annoying etc etc

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probably midnight EST

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aldu if u vote testa ill tr u for free

lol i'll take what I can get

VOTE: Testarossa

this feels scummy

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i literally dont tho. the one game i played with them they replaced out instantly

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instantly is an exaggeration but yeah dont remember anything of koba in that game

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is that L1?

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instantly is an exaggeration but yeah dont remember anything of koba in that game

Is there another hellbrooks? Thought I saw you in nomination mafia where Koba was scum

yes but koba repped out midway through D1

anyway, intent

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VOTE: testa
if testa's town datisi can shout at me in our PT

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i don't trust what's going on here

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and scum do NOT have 2 power roles

VP could be a goon

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hellbooks

you *will* have to townread me at some point

or this is still a loss

i was until today but your posts have not been inspiring much faith

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nah i still tr you i think. lol

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sorry for messing this game up so much ;-;

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you're not wrong. let's hear from koba

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iconeum, speculate with me-- would a setup with 2 masons and a mason tracker as our only town power and a rolecop as their only scum power be balanced?

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i think i'm just going to clear ico in my head but like i feel like scum is in an extraordinarily strong position and that probably makes it easier to really dissolve oneself in the town mindset

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I'm trying to do my due diligence here

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I haven't revealed my entire thoughts yet i just want koba to post

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o spirit of datisi... can you hear me...

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I've always been a little sympathetic to andres

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hi koba i'm kind of here but i'm at work

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Of course scum koba will say Baltar is scum.

If anybody pays any attention to anything NPOM says I will immediately tag them as Scum. It’s complete WIFOM and should be ignored.

haha

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koba what's your explanation for why VP had a false positive on me D3

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i know i played very poorly, but what are ur thoughts.

i prolly played worse than u did. also yes im reading ur points

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@Hellbooks @Iconeum let me know if you are willing to do this. I think the upside is fairly evident. And I don’t see how we have all that much to lose at this stage.

i won't rule it out but yeah i'm like gonna conftown u lol

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[jk no i wont.. just keeping u on ur toes]

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andres if you HAD to vote btwn koba and vp with no direction from me who would you vote

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quick Q for u VP, if i turned aroudn and said "lets vote aldus" how would you feel

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Andres and I yelling over here and hellbrooks just having the time of her life.

staking the game on a single decision.... the lives of everyone depending on me... it's a rush
i absolutely

will

let you down

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allow me to summarize the opinions of my Council of Advisors

VP Baltar - kill koba
Npom - kill koba
Icon - kill koba

Koba - kill baltar
Andres - kill aldus also dont listen to anything npom says
Alduskkel - mysteriously in absentia

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koba how would YOU feel if i decided to vote aldus

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I'm a questions machine

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there is at least one scum in NPOM / Icon

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swallow that pill

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there is at least one scum in NPOM / Icon

could you weigh in on this hot take koba

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sexy takes, both of those

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THE MAN OF THE HOUR! okay, so what do you propose i do

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leaning strongly towards flipping baltar with that flip. sorry for being useless yall.

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i'd prefer to get VP today i think

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i dont think VP is like, mechanically confirmed scum but like the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming yes
i'm not voting

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maaaaaaan my reads were bad

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i dont think it's an argument we need to have lol. my mind is made up anyway
but yeah i dont think it's like impossible for there to be two PT cops, i think its bad practice to make conclusions based on certain setups being very unlikely

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i think rereading D4 probably will illuminate andres / aldus

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i wonder why i was left alive
was i really that bad
yeah i was. the answer is yeah

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So I would have a conversation with DkKoba about what to do when you do have to make a decision between us.

sure let me just ring them up... on thee phone

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im sorry to everyone about everything

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why r u getting into this argument andres

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i mean it's damning in itself that VP hasn't outed his result yet right

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accidentally deleted my D4 reread WIP post ope

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dont want 2 say much more until aldus checks in

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why does it feel like andres is like our mutual friend trying to patch some conflict up between us like talking is gonna happen dont worry about that

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hellbooks i think we should use today as a chance to discuss andres vs aldu and then just hang VP and whoever is alive can deal with it tomorrow.

think VP / andres at beginning of day was v plausible theater. i'd have to reread D4 which i plan on doing -- of some importance here is aldus also came out of the gate saying he believed you over VP, i think. idr if he pivoted but i think he didn't

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for the first time i dont really have a lean either way which is scary (for me & u both kid)

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i think its fair to say whoever the scum is they played an absolute blow out game like jeezus. what a game

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i mean you like refused to have an opinion on koba/vp yesterday. you told me you would flip a coin

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hm that might not be a scummy thing -- but advocating for koba is not a scummy thing either

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quick Q for u VP, if i turned aroudn and said "lets vote aldus" how would you feel

I mean,I'm not going to say don't do it. I think it's still a relatively safe bet. It just seems like why take a 2% risk when you could have a 100% guarantee.

It's suboptimal, but I think I've made the reasoning why clear.

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last post: has partner equity to be sure

VOTE: NPOM

Sure. Same odds.

definitely towny

UNVOTE:

I’m made myself abundantly clear. I’ll let others chime in here.

Dude, if you're town, stop just fucking voting willy nilly. One wrong vote and this get could be over if scum are online. Jesus.

hrmm.... big frown of thought

I don't see Koba-scum hardpushing Testa over me since miseliminating us in the opposite order seems easier. Also would Koba-scum really risk VPB getting an innocent on me when it'd be easier to just kill VPB?

That plus gut is leading me to think VPB is the scum here.

his entrance

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Why would you trust anything VPB has to say though?

this was pre him being outted. lol...

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so like
only 2 realistic scenarios

VP is town, scum is koba + aldus + npow
VP is scum, other scum is aldus + npow

let's flip npow

killin ico prob benefits aldus

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by which i mean it definitely does

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if this theory is true

then VP is scum, with Koba being town -> Andres pushing away from koba and doubting VP so much means Andres is conftown

so scumteam is VP + NPOW + Aldus

i'll go reread them in ISO now

ico settling on this solve would make him an enormous threat to this very team
might decide to trust this guy o_o

@VP

but we both agree NPOW is literally Always scum, yes?

If we flip there, you have an investigation again. If scum go for the full wifom play, you have information tomorrow. If scum decide that play is over, and kill you, we will have confirmation on scum!koba.

That's a lot better then killing koba today, yes?

If you actually vote for NPOM at this stage, I’m going to freak out. I have a 1v1 outside the investigation. NPOM doesn’t make sense even if I think the guy is Scummy as hell.

POH fuck..... !!! !!! hmmmm ugh guhg guh guh gh

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no i think thats like a towny thing to say from andres lol

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it comes from someone who doesn't know what npom is gonna flip i think

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might trust the institutional base of knowledge we have here & commit to aldus last scum

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OK WAIT hellbooks
u play devils advocate and u pretend like aldu is town and u just present arguments and i see if thyer good or not.

or we can do it the other way around. i think thatd be an effective way to bounce around stuff. sorta like a hydra except our thoughts are public

oh fuck ok. yeah i'll devil's advocate. guess the town argument would be like, aldus scum is doublebussing in D4 which seems like a bit like shooting ones self in the foot, andres testing out the waters on NPOM, dragging his feet on the wagon later while refusing to actually make any actionable things on the koba/vp 1v1... and come to think about it where exactly

was

the switch between "npom and aldus are equally scum because icon is town" and "if you vote npom i will lose my shit because aldus is on a whole new level of scummy" -- i guess like somewhere along the line it became common knowledge about the three 1v1s of the game but idk when that switch flipped

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HELLBOOKS WOULD U BE MAD AT ME IF DRUNK ME VOTED RN LOL

literally no i am uncritically pro impulse voting

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VPB setting himself up to vote for me at the appropriate time.

yeah actually let's look at what VP & npom were doing when it was testa/you

It's pretty clear VPB has sided with Andres against me. I WONDER WHY.

hesistant to put too much stock into this because VP refused to consider anyone else but koba D4

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feel like such a loser for hammering testa u guys

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DAMMIT
lost my post

okay time to like go back

Datisi (and Aldus I guess) - thoughts on a (Tess, Ico, Andres) grouping?

Andres is probably my least certain in that group. But as I said before, there's obv been scum theater somewhere this game because nothing fits perfectly

i miss dats
also ico going hot girl summer scumreads mode on aldus and npom

sometimes anti-town people... are scum

caleb gallo ref?

Hellbrooks and Datisi, we don't have a lot of time left. If there is a good Aldus case, please make it. Convince me if that's the right move (or elsewhere if you think that's better). I think I've outlined some clear points for Tess, and as far as I can tell, this wagon is people you both mostly consider town.

does this game matter if hellbooks is just gonna waste an ml onnme bc i flipped scum in a game with them once lmao.

got angry at this at the time but now i can only look back and laugh remembering the good times

Solve is probably Andres/test/icon with the way they are aligning together. They are acting desperate in a non town way. The behavioral differences seem pretty obvious to me.

My best guess is Andres is trying to save Test by misexecuting Aldus.

oops

hey theres me

Testarossa (5): DkKoba, NoPowerOverMe, Alduskkel, VP Baltar, hellbooks
Alduskkel (4): Andresvmb, Iconeum, Testarossa, Datisi

i look upon this in shame

real talk koba.... i might be willing to commit to a blood pact to vote aldus tomorrow at this point but i'll sleep on it. youve got enough quote walls 2 go thru. good night everyone. love ya. mwah

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last thought: aldus scum means that scum went largely bus-free in D3 which i would consider to be somewhat unusual but makes perfect sense when they hold a powerful but unstable position such as the one they were in

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can we vote vp first

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bi checking in , still not in support of this course of action

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good sun tho can't deny that

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i've made my preference pretty clear however we really should just be v. baltar [voting baltar]

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*sigh* but i wanna decide here with u and I alive. i like having impact!!!!!

i think we've already decided : )

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if you want to wait to see if andres qhammers i wont stop ya

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fwiw im still like reading everything you're saying

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IM SCARED I GET NK AND U DONT VOTE ALDU AND WE LOSE

that would be so funny

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you're playing forum maf at em too??? yall wild over there wow

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ill townblitz on baltar if aldu votes them

wonder why aldu didnt want to do this

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but lets get onto the next page rq for fun

Operation Get Raya That Pagetop!!!

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WAIT UR RAYA TOO???

yes

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yeah i guess realistically i dont actually see it mattering whether or not we go VP today or tomorrow, the additional NK could be bad or good, i dont really see it having a big impact either way

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yeah that hurt ngl

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its because i'm scum

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sunposting hours

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i used the phrase masterpiece theater in my mason PT recently

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yeah i guess realistically i dont actually see it mattering whether or not we go VP today or tomorrow, the additional NK could be bad or good, i dont really see it having a big impact either way

This I agree with. I actually think it’s beneficial for you and Koba to agree on a solution and simply go through with it. Because VPB is the easy vote. It’s not going to change the outcome of the game unless you can sort out which one out of Aldus/Me you would vote.

okay
koba i'll vote aldus with you then

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Vote: alduskkel

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gg andres, sigh

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LOL FOR REAL
andres man.... unknowable until the end

LOL FOR REAL
andres man.... unknowable until the end

celebratory alt slip

both of these were literally unintentional, i even have different skins, im just a huge idiot

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VP / koba scumteam
really makes ya think huh?

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any of these posts could secretly be #5000 we just gotta keep trying

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bring it on

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sorry for not voting aldus earlier datisi working with you was an honor