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[bob3141]

ok so far realy only looked at the vote counts but my first impression is that the current 2 leading wagons are tvt

[bob3141]

The fact a second wagon was able to form after my slot go to 5. Implies that there wasnt much glue but enough to stop it breaking up. Prob one scum

[bob3141]

Snowblaze (4): GeorgeBailey, VP Baltar, Iconeum, hellbooks
Testarossa (5): DkKoba, Alduskkel, Andresvmb, NoPowerOverMe, jankofan


Snowblaze (5): GeorgeBailey, VP Baltar, Datisi, Iconeum, hellbooks

fact datisi left snow and it still stayed steady at 4. Leaves me to town lean datisi as town for now.

[bob3141]

Official Vote Count 1.01

Echeveria "Cubic Frost"

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

hellbooks

(1): GeorgeBailey

George Bailey

(4): NoPowerOverMe, Alduskkel, Snowblaze, hellbooks

NoPowerOverMe

(2): Iconeum, Testarossa

Billy Pilgrim

(1): JamSV,

Iconeum

(1): VP Baltar

JamSV

(1): Billy Pilgrim

Andresvmb

(1): Datisi

Not Voting

(2): Andresvmb, jankofan

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-13 23:15:00).

Mod notes:

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I doubt we have more than one scum on george wagon. Could still be none but if there was one scum on his wagon. Then it most likely Alduskkel

if george is town then hellbrooks prob town

[bob3141]

Official Vote Count 1.03

Cephalocereus senilis "Old Man Cactus"

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

hellbooks

(1): GeorgeBailey

George Bailey

(2): Snowblaze, hellbooks

NoPowerOverMe

(1): Alduskkel

Billy Pilgrim

(2): JamSV, Testarossa

Iconeum

(3): VP Baltar, Andresvmb, NoPowerOverMe

JamSV

(1): Billy Pilgrim

Andresvmb

(2): Datisi, Iconeum

Not Voting

(1): jankofan

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-08-13 23:15:00).

Mod notes:

jankofan has reported technical difficulties with posting. This is currently being looked into.[/area]

Interesting we have 3 wagons reach over 4 votes. Yet ico wagon falls before it reaches 4.

Could be nothing as this is from just a snap shot of the vote counts

[bob3141]

Are you going to read the game?

what do you think im doing

[bob3141]

Datisi whats your opinion of ico this game.

[bob3141]

ok found datisi opinion. If datisi think ico is town he prob is

[bob3141]

Are you going to read the game?

what do you think im doing

Trying to do VC analysis with zero flips and the assumption you're town...which isn't actually helpful at all, imo.

I'm asking if you are reading the game or just going to keep posting votecounts. You do you. Just want to know what to expect.

Are you not analysising the vote counts with the assumption that your town?

[bob3141]

ok we have my wagon

GeorgeBailey, VP Baltar, Datisi, Iconeum, hellbooks

now george was taget of early wagon. Low chances of scum
Hellbroks cast the 4th vote so again lower chances of being scum
datisi unvote of snow looks towny


An vp seems to realy not like that im reading the two leading wagons as each having one scum

[bob3141]

Ok this testar wagon realy needs to go away. A read of his iso and he looks prety towny

[bob3141]

Are you not analysising the vote counts with the assumption that your town?

I don't try to do VC analysis much until I actually have information to work off. I would of course look at any wagon on me and see who is on it.

The fact you are making all kinds of inferences on OTHER wagons not involving your slot is beyond silly when you don't know the alignment of anyone on them.

Plus you asking questions like "datisi what do you think of Ico" seems like a giant waste when you could easily glean that info from reading the game.

So you dont have enough info to work off. what about all these vote counts that we have.


Why are you trying to ignor thing like speed of wagon development, Wagon sticking power and vote spread.

[bob3141]

looks unlikely that billy and baltar are partners. Billy comes across very much as some that doesnt know for sure baltar alignment.

978

[bob3141]

correction 987

[bob3141]

Checking you mean luvs game. If that is the one then town.

[bob3141]

And who do you think has used logic ?

[bob3141]

ur the one yelling abt wagon analysis

thats not logic. Thats based on game state. A hole different animal

[bob3141]

Okay, so why is test better than bob?

Of test and Bob, who do you prefer eliminating?

See these are comments that scum make. Scum when they have two town wagosn always talk about this one or that one.

[bob3141]

nope thats l-1

[bob3141]

im actualy at l-2

[bob3141]

Also why do those on me think if my slot was scum that snow wouldnt of claimed a pr

[bob3141]

And to be clear flipping me day one is always the worst thing town can do. Get town me and i near always solve the game.

[bob3141]

Scum near always claims a pr when run up day one. Scum dont panic as they have 2 players talking to them in the pt.


Show me where before you have seen scum in the game from day one claim vt. And most importantly show me the ratio between scum claiming vt day one and town claiming vt day one.

[bob3141]

Claiming a PR is complicated and reeks of Scum most of the time. It would have gotten Snow killed pretty quickly.

So you saying a player simply claiming doc is complicated.


Serously this reeks of scum. In his own post he admits he would have been happy to lynch a pr claim. Very anti town

[bob3141]

Nope never. The reason scum always claim pr is that it helps out town pr.

[bob3141]

Anyway town remeber this

datisi is town. if datisi says ico is town he is.
Billy is town
george prob town

[bob3141]

And if george is town. the odds of hellbrooks being town is 80%

Lynch in poe outside of that until mass claim and your golden

[bob3141]

The fact taht he unvoted me. At time that scum woudl feel no need

[bob3141]

when im mislynched then that speews george as town

[bob3141]

See it gives scum no advanatge to unvote when he did. He didnt come out swing with white knight. He just unvoted.

[bob3141]

Can somebody please point where I said I would have been happy to vote for a PR claim? You’re the one that reeks of Scum making broad generalizations without even reading the game. A PR claim near death (particularly unprompted because nobody indicated they would hammer) would have been suspicious, and could have accelerated momentum against them. This also could be entirely related to site meta. Whatever.

So if teh slot i had repped into had been a town pr rather than a vt. And snow had claimed that would you have still wanted him day one?

[bob3141]

Okay, so why is test better than bob?

Of test and Bob, who do you prefer eliminating?

See these are comments that scum make. Scum when they have two town wagosn always talk about this one or that one.

Hey everyone, guess who I'm impersonating:

"Both the leading wagons are town. But scum won't join them to push them over the edge for like 20 pages now.

LOGICCCCCCC IS KINNNNNNGGGGGG"

So who do you think is scum on each of teh wagosn when they were tied

[bob3141]

and how many. and why.

Dou think teh wagon was all town or scum heavy.

[bob3141]

if everyone wasn't on V/LA pretending they don't have crippling internet additions, we'd already be in twilight. Sad.

Bob, you should give your opinions on your PoE pool so we can make associations after you're gone.

dakota, vp bakter, Alduskkel, Andresvmb, powers, jankofan

Hard scum leans on vp baker and and.


rest most likely town.




And if i was scum you would always get the wrong scum associations Good thing im town

[bob3141]

Okay, so why is test better than bob?

Of test and Bob, who do you prefer eliminating?

See these are comments that scum make. Scum when they have two town wagosn always talk about this one or that one.

Hey everyone, guess who I'm impersonating:

"Both the leading wagons are town. But scum won't join them to push them over the edge for like 20 pages now.

LOGICCCCCCC IS KINNNNNNGGGGGG"

Occams razor is hard

If town then you just cant read game state.


Scum dont pile up if they dont have to. Snow claimed vt so you need to look at who tried to run others up. Why would scum do this, why to get claims.

means the test wagon was prob scum motivated. Shift two wagons into tvt and at worst you get oen lynched and at best you get two claims and one town dead.

[bob3141]

While the fact the snow wagon didnt break up implies that atleast one scum was still on it at the point test was getting run up. Now it might have only been one from the start. But fact test got run up with out an extra vote on snow for 2 days. Means scum didnt want snow lynched at that point. That they wanted more claims. If test had been scum then the snow would have got back up to l-1. No way scum would act idle if a counter wagon formed on their buddy.

Scum on wagon act as glue. The higth teh town to scum ratio on wagon the more likely it breaks up.

[bob3141]

And what was test wagon

DkKoba, Alduskkel, Andresvmb, NoPowerOverMe, jankofan

atleast 2 in there

[bob3141]

most certainly. It wouldnt not built up as much. If your town then look for those that went along with it

[bob3141]

You have

Alduskkel, Andresvmb, NoPowerOverMe, jankofan

If test was scum. Would all 4 of them really have joined. More likely you would have had those that are scum joining my wagon at that point

[bob3141]

why was it scum motived?

Do you town read all those that joined you?


Your claimign you think im scum. Yet only one from that wagon has joined you. And that was after you left.

[bob3141]

If test was scum. Would all 4 of them really have joined. More likely you would have had those that are scum joining my wagon at that point

Good argument for Bob scum here.

So are you sayign you agree with me that test is town?

If so why are you claiming this affects my slot. And why if you think 2 of them are scum that they simply wouldnt bus.



Read my scum games. Do you realy think this is scum me?

[bob3141]

You see if you want a player lynched as scum. You dont join the wagon. You form a counter wagon on another townie.

Best case you get that player lynched and teh original player lynched the next day. At worst they cause that original player to get lynched.

And not forgetting the chance to get more claims to help pr hunting

[bob3141]

@datisi Ok I guess? still feels like a reach but w/e i cant really say im familiar enough with the game that i know whos sring npom, but its moot anyway because the read isn't faked at all. npom dedicates three posts to talking about how he missed the claim asking snow what it was. my intuitions about time management say that a cursory look at the last page would've been a lot quicker than writing three posts but i could see scum trying to emulate that sense of being idle and casual about the situation.

I'm townreading you because i feel like you're pushing me and it feels like you really want to be right about your take on me and that motivation and the tone that comes with it are obviously town

im pretty sure im still tring snow. of the ppl on snows wagon ico feels a lot like scum and im not sure who else was even on it

see this what scum do.

They town read the original wagon and push the second. All the while scum on the first guy stays put. And you get tvt situation that guarantees a town miskill

[bob3141]

datisi you have my vote

VOTE: jankofan

[bob3141]

the reason he is claimign town read on my slot is that he is trying to weakly white knight. To get him town cred after my slot flip but at the same time not preventing his buddies from get this slot lynched. A move ive pulled a fair few times before but with more activity

[bob3141]

I think the reason I'm tring snow is that she seems like she'a actually introspecting and also that she seems focused on things that people who are solving tend to be focused on

see a defense that will not stop anyone from scum reading the player. A read just to look good post flip.

[bob3141]

VOTE: terra that is E-1

And see this vote that push terra to e-1

[bob3141]

Hey @datisi so the reason I neglected to answer this

i'm not sure i get this? like to me it feels ico is solving and it also focused on the persons pushing them? like can you elaborate on this?

also, you're townreading me, yeah? (i'm assuming by 436) how come, i feel like our reads are complete polar oppsoites right now?

was because koba said this immediately after

ico exhibiting the scum mindset of being frustrated over being scumread over what they perceive as the "wrong reasons"

which is what I was trying and failing to say in the original post you quoted. I guess it was lazy of me to have expected you to make that connection and it looks like you just wanted a response from me and not necessarily a response to what you were asking me to clarify, so here it is.
jumped on the testa wagon because it seemed good and i didn't really have that much to add to the case so why talk for no reason yknow

see the first he realy said on teh slot was post vote. And no pointed did he realy give a reason not to vote my slot. Just a weak reason to town read it.

[bob3141]

i'm actually fairly confident both EoD wagons are town. janko's wagon took a fair bit of pushing to go through. if bob were scum, i think his buddies would've joined me in pushing janko much sooner.

that's why i thought georgebailey was scum. his late vote on janko (and janko flipping town) made me think that scum was pushing both wagons ~equally, and his vote seemed like the least committed one. but, uhhh... guess i was wrong.

Because I cannot make sense of this. Scum clearly were not pushing both wagons equally, yes? I think Bob would have died far more easily if that had been the case.

Im really hard to get lynched as town.

[bob3141]

That's all you have to say Bob?

Is this what they call gaslighting?

Like serously, do you expect people to be on your beck and call. Im not going to let my dinner so cold to spend time on this am i

[bob3141]

And of all players you should know this isnt scum me. After all you played against scum me in the last game were both in.

[bob3141]

What im finding odd. Is that your claiming me and janko could never be tvt. When in that game there were countless examples of tvt wagons.

So npow who do you think is scum. You claim me but you seem to be pushing that all the scum must have been on janko wagon. So who do you think teh 3 scum players are and why?

[bob3141]

answer the question.


Also you seem to say you can read allot in player that has been in game for 6 hours during day one. So whats your read on snow before my rep in?

[bob3141]

I never said or implied all scum were on janko wagon. I said it was probably scum driven.

So who was driving it then?

[bob3141]

Billy you have my vote this day. After saturday ill be on vla until the very on of the day. So ill be proxying my vote to you on saturday

And im prety sure your town

[bob3141]

You and test are scum IMHO. Not sure on 3rd maybe alduskell or Billy.

Didnt you just say that the wagon was scum driven.


Billy wanted you.
test didnt do much
And although i cast the first vote i took no part in pushing the wagon. Apart from a smattering of first impression reads.

And thos realy pushing janko to his lynch. Based on your reads were all town


You claim it was scum driven but the that teh players drving it were town.

[bob3141]

Survivalist scum.

lol as scum im never survivalst. As scum i play the fall guy. Read my pvt. See how its always about me setting up my buddies for the win.


If i was scum it would be with ddkao. Or another hard pushing my wagon.

[bob3141]

dkkobe not ddkao

[bob3141]

I don't think the wagon was entirely ai. You are making it a black and white thing.

You just said it was scum driven. Thats you saying the wagon was ai.

[bob3141]

if everyone wasn't on V/LA pretending they don't have crippling internet additions, we'd already be in twilight. Sad.

Bob, you should give your opinions on your PoE pool so we can make associations after you're gone.

dakota, vp bakter, Alduskkel, Andresvmb, powers, jankofan

Hard scum leans on vp baker and and.


rest most likely town.

bob, when you get the time, does this still accurately reflect your feelings on the game?

vp bakter, Alduskkel, Andresvmb, powers,

Thats my poe for today.


im think dkkoba is just opinionated town that is plain and simply wrong

[bob3141]

Also to those who think im scum. Why do you think i would kill george.

Forgeting that i have sixth sense for pr when town and scum. Why do I

1- kill a player on the day one mislynch and not my wagon.
2- kill a player who thought i was town
3- not kill a player who scum read me.

And powers since you think the scum team was all n janko

Why was one of ddkoba, powers, and, baltar and hell not night killed?

[bob3141]

@Mod: I will be v/la sunday to wednesday

[bob3141]

Then do you still think the janko wagon was scum driven. As your push on me is based on you claim that you think the janko wagon was scum driven. And that you dont beleive scum were split.

in your list of names you gave. All 3 had little part in the wagon forming.

When i voted and last posts day one. The wagon was at one vote.
Alder was the hammer.
And billy kept trying to push the janko/bob wagosn to you

[bob3141]

And your last name test. Do you realy think day one you had to s/s wagons.

[bob3141]

If VP flips scum then Datisi is probably scum.

i sometimes really struggle in figuring out how your thought process works.

Because you are defending VP. More likely that happens if you are his scum partner than town.

So why do you think datisi comes out with it now.


baltar and datisi are slots that can be left until mass claim. Either they flip during the night or come mass claim or l-1 we have a fair few results.

[bob3141]

NPOM Why did you think datisi was scum defending baltar.

As do you really think if baltar was scum that his partner would feel any big need, today of all days to do some gambit. Rather than just helping out with baltars push on me. Or even doing s/s theater with baltar pushing and datisi defending me.

And I for one fully believe datisi role claim. Was pretty sure on that slot last day plus my gut feeling. And i'm inclined to believe baltars claim.

The same gut feeling i got from him last game i played with him.

[bob3141]

have you, i dunno, read it? the was his first reaction was "oh you must have been blocked or redirected" as opposed to saying i'm lying, claiming PT cop of all things, like it's so painfully town...

I have actualy seen a PT cop fake claim lol. It was a vt fake claiming to avoid beign lynched. They got their scum read lynched, who turned out to be town and got themselves lynched theh next day.

[bob3141]

y does it feel like im the only one whos not a claimed pr rly trying

Yo, real talk corner.

Help me eliminate Bob. If he flips town and I'm alive tomorrow, I give you permission to just yeet me. You can come at me double barrel full Koba rage.

I may only be freshly back to the site and a little rusty, but I'm an expert in human behavior and when people are lying. Bob is scum and I'm not even mad you're misreading him. I'll gladly go 1v1 at this point. If he was town, scum would be all over this. But people are hesitant to vote. Bob is skating by hoping laying low is the ticket to ride. Let's do this.

If you think that you have really bad reads. If your town you really need to work on you game state analysis skills.

[bob3141]

my solve has evolved into : aldu / hellbooks / ico

I dont realy think ico can be scum unless datisi is scum. As last game datisi had a good handle on ico alignment.

Plus ico does come across like the last few times he was town.

[bob3141]

I don’t have a strong read of Alduskkel either way, but I’m going to guess that most of the analysis on 2210 is broadly accurate, primarily because Datisi (who is likely Town) would strongly come out after Alduskkel if the conclusion was way off. So even if Aduskkel is operating with TMI, Ico remains likely Town.

@bob, one of the people in your PoE turned out to pretty likely be town via the fiasco that happened. do you have like, updates on the PoE or whatever

One scum is prob out side of my poe then. I never get the full scum team day one. 2 tops

[bob3141]

Some times none but normaly good reads. Though one thing is always sure is i almost always get the right solve. only once miss picked once as town in lylo

[bob3141]

I am paranoid because in my last game there was a fake PR claim that won as scum. Which was Bob btw. It's possible both PR's could be the truth, I guess.

Certainly possible.

But datisi is never s/s with baltar. If datisi was s/s he would of have pushed baltar wagon to execution for the town cred. For datisi to be scum baltar has to be town. And i can't see a scum tracker outing their result rather than just killing baltar the next.


So this game Datisi is always town.

Now scum baltar and town datisi is possible. Would be a bold move to say that he visited a player that died if he did the kill. However, the normal first reaction for scum is to counterclaim.


Pt cop is a strong role that's between cop and tracker. It's guilties are normally 100% but with some WIFOM. So looking at the slot during mass claim is the best action. If it's a fake claim it will show. And baltar did have the bombasity that comes with strong town power day one.

Had him pegged as either scum or town pr. Why i wasn't interested in pushing that slot day one. And George does make sense as an action for him. Although I was ankle to tell based on gamestate that george was sure town. Baltar made no such demonstration added to the fact he was a low poster and unlikely to be killed.

[bob3141]

Now I know for sure I'm in town. And to be honest it should be clear to anyone being objective. But ultimately my slot now is currently contentious so isn't an awful lynch. Worst case we don't risk losing or outing another town pr. Best case we avoid scum avoiding my lynch so they can get future misexecution. Much like what I did to powers last game. Me and pepper actively fought against his execution in favour of looker. With us carrying that misexecution into lylo while creating another in its place.

[bob3141]

Now from my perspective I know that the end of the last day was tvt affair. Now if Alduskkel was scum he would always have voted jank. Most of that wagon was players that claimed they thought I was town. If I was lynched first there would be much less pressure there the next day. Maybe only enough to get 2-3 votes.


Now that does not preclude a town ald making that vote as it did match a prior scum read.

[bob3141]

Bob why am I town?

I have tendency to town read players that form town read / bring in details from past games to defend players. I find scum tends not to do that as it gives them no real leverage for themselves and really only gains one player to be favourable to them.

Added to the fact the pings i got gave me echoes of the last game i was town/town with you. Plus your reaction to the prospect of getting two votes.


The fact you actually tried to interact with me based on luvs game left me with the feeling you were genuinely trying to solve my slot. Now such a read takes less priority to reads formed as the game matures. ( say 10-20 real games days in) But leaves me confident your town baring any really as the game progresses.


its somethign that gives you 0 leverage on any player except the one that has a high chance of being executed that day. Little to gain and always potential to scupper the mislynch for good.

[bob3141]

Now ico feels exactly like his town self. Signs of persistence and tendency to negatively react to any players scum reading him. Something I'm a bit guilty of myself.

Every time i look at ico progression i get the feeling of a player 100% on their own. Added to the fact datisi has a handle on his scum game. That was testified last time we were all town. Where datis very early in the game was able to determine ico was town.


Also my experience being partners with him in my second scum game. Leads me to believe this isn't his scum game.

And since I simply can't see datisi making such a move as that tracker claim as scum. Ico is highly likely town

[bob3141]

At first I thought Andres was scum but I'm starting to think he's misguided town. I think scum would have backed off pushing Icon after facing so much resistance from multiple players.

This is textbook Icon townplay. It's an emotional player who tends to get into fights. I think in this game it's clear Icon is sorting people and the idea that scum-Icon just attacks anyone that attacks it is too rooted in some theory of how scum act rather than how they (and in particular, Icon) act in practice.
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also thinking atm that NPOM has higher scum equity if snowblaze is town actually

Talk to me about this more.
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Maybe I'm just projecting, but Snowblaze's play reminds me a lot of when I'm town and having trouble getting scumreads. I just don't see this slot as scum.

VOTE: Testarossa. I took up Koba's offer to iso Testa and there's a lot of hedging language in there. Try doing a find-in-page highlight of the word "but" and you'll see it's all over the place.

I want to give this wagon some momentum and see where it goes.

I never realy liked this vote of ald's. He never really does anything to defuse the snow wagon. Combined with no real strong reason of his for his vote on teste.

If i was scum and faced with a snow town wagon. Unless already comitted i would try and create a counter wagon. Either i get the counter wagon through and let town eat it self the next day. or i get some town cred for being against teh lynch of the flipped townie. as a wagon with no counter wagon forming is a sign of that player being town.


I don't like the use of him saying “I'm town and having trouble getting scumreads”. Felt two fold, first like a potential scum slip and second a scum player assigning their characteristics to match a player they know is town. Who could potentially get lynched.


Now the first not strong as i know i make a conscious effort as a town to avoid such wording lest it give the appearance of a false scum slip. Now the latter could be me over thinking and seeing plays I make in others.

[bob3141]

Now the bit where ald talked about ico being emotional players that tends to get into fights. Leads me to believe that ald/andre is not s/s.

Does not look like a conversation between two scum partners. So if i'm right on ald then i leaning on andre being town.

[bob3141]

hellbrooks i have nothing really on apart from a weak initial read based on his fourth vote on george. Certainly not conclusive but the fact this tends to come from town more than scum. Has me on balance town reading him. Simply based on balance of probabilities.

Was based on the belief that was found to be correct that george was town. Now scum really only push day one wagons up high if they are players that throw their vote around a lot. The fact that he has been concervative with his votes leads me again to town.


Now this observation could actually be nonsense. But it's something I've observed in my town and scum games. Only once from scum and that was a player that hopped and sheeped allot.

[bob3141]

NoPowerOverMe, Alduskkel, Snowblaze, hellbooks

That was george is wagon. And no way could i see all 3 being scum. And would lean only one.

Again a weak read but if one of powers or alds is scum then it makes hellbooks even less likely to be scum. As often scum dont tend to concentrate their vote that early.

[bob3141]

where's your vote

I genuinely am not sure. If i pick wrong again then it messes up town. I've really only spent a few days looking at the thread. And i'm still at the stage of my usual town day one reads.

The thing for town at the moment is that me being in l-1 will be a major distraction that is just better removed. I'm starting to think that the rest of the town just needs to move on.



And i will not be on att all for the next 4 days.

[bob3141]

If my achieves that, then that's an unfortunate necessity. As to many players scum read me for them to be all scum. And at least one of the the players that hard scum reading me is bound to be town. Which makes my slot an easy lylo mislynch.

[bob3141]

anyway at the moment my best bet is on Alduskkel

VOTE: Alduskkel

My lycnh prob is still better for town. Well unless im actualy right this time.

[bob3141]

if ald's is scum then i woudl expect at nmost of teh plyers to have voted ico to be scum

[bob3141]

if ald's is scum then i would expect at most one of the plyers to have voted ico to be scum


corrected

[bob3141]

everyone should realize that if we do'nt flip bob today, that window will close and he will not be lynched for the remainder of the game

Thats actualy how i won my first scum game.

I game in with a big scummy push on my buddy to save him. Get him as confirmed town even if it ended up in my lynch. I won 3p lylo with the 3 masons thinking i was just bad town.

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Day after day they went after lynching who they thought my partners were. Until after the second time they resolved i was town that made a bad push. And not the fact that it was overshoot

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I even got two players that hard scum read me to go after each other. Masons tunnel got so bad that the masons ended up lynching clear town over me an open wolf in lylo

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Quite happy that i got the entire scum team with in 4 player poe start fo day 2

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And that my entire town block day one that had 6 players were all infact town.