[SETUP] Alternate-KP (Open 13p)

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Post Post #1 (isolation #0) » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:49 am

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I would keep it at 13p since this seems to lean scumsided as it stands. But not so much I want to remove entire roles.. I think.
I'd maybe nudge it by making the rolecop a motiondetector
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Post Post #7 (isolation #1) » Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:03 am

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you could split it into an odd night and even night vig

I don't get the gripe with a PR having a lot of agency if you don't want certain slots to have more agency then play vanilla setups
It's a vig, not a governor, if you have a bad vig and want to win the setup have good reads and eliminate them
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Post Post #11 (isolation #2) » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:37 am

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doccing the desperado cleared player over and over is a little boring but not the end of the world I guess
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Post Post #12 (isolation #3) » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:37 am

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Indecisive on the doctor maybe
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Post Post #14 (isolation #4) » Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:22 pm

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I think the Indecisive modifier fits the setup, it should be a pretty fun play pattern since it's actually defensible to just not protect the desperado cleared player sometimes even though you could. If you really don't like the Indecisive modifier then Even Night would be preferable rather than 2-shot since the 2-shot doctor might feel a little bad for shooting N1 before a D2 desperado incident. (2 shot Novice would more or less fix that concern but I don't expect that to be more appealing than indecisive.
Once you have a vig, doctor, and despie I think you want the more powerful roleblocker rather than the motion detector on the scum side of things.
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Post Post #16 (isolation #5) » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:38 pm

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i like that setup better than several approved opens fwiw
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Post Post #20 (isolation #6) » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:21 am

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You can make it work however you want as long as you specify since it's an Open, but the normal way it would work is that the Vigilante is macho on both even and odd nights but can only perform kills on even nights.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #7) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:58 am

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I think so.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:53 am

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This is a good candidate for becoming an approved open setup if it tests well.

I checked with T-Bone and he said you can go ahead and queue to moderate this as a first time mod if you'd like to, if you have me as a backup mod. There's plans add more flexibility like this in the future so we can test more setups.
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Post Post #27 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:36 am

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You should edit the OP to match the final setup since you linked the OP in the in-to-mod
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Post Post #28 (isolation #10) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:34 am

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The open queue has been unpredictable lately, but hopefully it fills :)
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Post Post #30 (isolation #11) » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:46 am

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despy generates oddness/evenness issues in a 9p so it's just a named townie unless a protective role can connect

I think a cop and an IC against a mafia with PRs is considered balanced and a jk and an IC against a mafia with PRs is also considered balanced but the latter has boring game play from JK targetting the IC too often

So the most balanced mutation of this is IC+Cop. It isn't a setup I'd want to play but it's fine.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"

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