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Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:53 am

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In post 1121, jankofan wrote:Actually it does hold water, because after the adorable ML they can just shoot the FN and pooky seems widely townread anyway.

The free ML + killing a widely townread slot gives it its positive utility.

Scum then NK the FN on N2 and are left with only one conftown

Those are fine assumptions, but mafia killed the [supposed] town power role. Their intentions with the kill were clear, and their highest priority is obviously not to frame your slot.
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Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:54 am

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Meaning your assumption is just that.
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Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:56 am

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In post 1125, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote:
In post 1121, jankofan wrote:Actually it does hold water, because after the adorable ML they can just shoot the FN and pooky seems widely townread anyway.

The free ML + killing a widely townread slot gives it its positive utility.

Scum then NK the FN on N2 and are left with only one conftown

Those are fine assumptions, but mafia killed the [supposed] town power role. Their intentions with the kill were clear, and their highest priority is obviously not to frame your slot.
To be clear, shooting town!pooky would've been the best scum!kill fmpov because it secures the ml on my slot.
And shooting cat or raya would be scum!pooky's best scum!kill fmpov.
So if pooky's town, then scum misplayed or just assumed I'd be a free ml either way.
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Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:00 am

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In post 1120, jankofan wrote:Day 1:
Pooky scumreading koba day 1 while they push tn
Koba backseats tn and starts pushing adorable/someone else
Pooky progresses to locktown/enabling koba
This is not a reason, you've simply shown me how on of his reads progressed.
In post 1123, jankofan wrote:Also pooky literally antagonized adorable to the point that they transcribed the whole chat to seperate themselves from pooky's presence, plus it lead to their eventually peacing out. it was antisocial and not cool and that fuels my desire to rope them straight up ngl
I would hope that a desire to win would fuel your desire to eliminate someone you believe to be scum. Is this meant to be an additional response to my request for reasoning on your vote?
In post 1124, jankofan wrote:I think thats actually a significant town!tell. Like pooky being deadass creepy in neighbor chat and adorable venting about it in the main thread, really because there was no where else to do that because it was obvious that she needed to make that known to *someone*.
You shouldn't have to look for your own slot's towntells, Adorable's alignment is in your Role PM.
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Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:01 am

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If someone could explain why tf my slot is obv scum to begin with, that would be nice, because I'm definitely town over here and I don't see whats so scummy about adorable

Is it like hur dur this person's writing style is stilted they must be scum?

Has anyone cased adorable?
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Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:04 am

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In post 1127, jankofan wrote:So if pooky's town, then scum misplayed
or just assumed I'd be a free ml either way
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How then can this be a misplay? PookyTheMagicalBear is alive. You are the leading wagon. What is the point of suggesting a theoretical alternative as the most likely scenario when it doesn't even line up with what iw actually happening?
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Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:07 am

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In post 1128, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote: You shouldn't have to look for your own slot's towntells, Adorable's alignment is in your Role PM.
You actually think towncasing yourself is something I shouldn't be doing in this situation?

I'm doing it because apparently this table isn't very good at the game and thinks the slot's obv scum and I'd rather improves everyone's idea of the game.

If they can't get over the read because *reasons* then fine, yeet me and move on I guess, but for what its worth I never not resign as scum in this situation
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Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:09 am

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In post 1130, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote:
In post 1127, jankofan wrote:So if pooky's town, then scum misplayed
or just assumed I'd be a free ml either way
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How then can this be a misplay? PookyTheMagicalBear is alive. You are the leading wagon. What is the point of suggesting a theoretical alternative as the most likely scenario when it doesn't even line up with what iw actually happening?
Yeah I'm still waiting to be enlightened on why thats the case,

But with town!pooky gone I don't actually have a chance of surviving the day so the logic still applies given that I'm still alive and the day's kill could still be redirected
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Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:16 am

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Hm i may change my poe then.
janko->pooky->marquis
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Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:18 am

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@koba why is pigeon town? yeah I'm down to trade with pooky I think that wins the game, rereading Ari and Marquis are both town
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Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:22 am

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I roleswap with cats who tells pigeon obviously because pigeon claims with me -> an unclear dies.
I think that makes them clear to me.
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Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:23 am

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In post 1123, jankofan wrote:Also pooky literally antagonized adorable to the point that they transcribed the whole chat to seperate themselves from pooky's presence, plus it lead to their eventually peacing out. it was antisocial and not cool and that fuels my desire to rope them straight up ngl
i dont think i antagonized them ^^
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Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:23 am

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if pigeon doesnt die by lylo i would reconsider but other than that its pretty clear cut.
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Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:24 am

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In post 1124, jankofan wrote:I think thats actually a significant town!tell. Like pooky being deadass creepy in neighbor chat and adorable venting about it in the main thread, really because there was no where else to do that because it was obvious that she needed to make that known to *someone*.
That only holds if her only intentions were to vent. There's other ways to look at it where her intentions were to take attention off of herself and get her neighbor eliminated
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Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:26 am

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In post 1128, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote:
In post 1124, jankofan wrote:I think thats actually a significant town!tell. Like pooky being deadass creepy in neighbor chat and adorable venting about it in the main thread, really because there was no where else to do that because it was obvious that she needed to make that known to *someone*.
You shouldn't have to look for your own slot's towntells, Adorable's alignment is in your Role PM.
Honestly this in itself is kind of a scum tell. Why are you trying so hard to defend yourself that you're digging into you predecessor's posts to find 'towntells'?
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Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:30 am

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How tf else am i supposed to rep in and defend the slot from a ml like are you guys actually this dense?

Its a scumtell that I'm playing the game?
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Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:31 am

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I'll settle for a trade with pooky
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Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:31 am

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Another thing to mention is I don't think jankofan replacing into a town slot that's being considered obvscum would be trying so hard. I mean he can't be properly invested in the game, and also as town he should know he doesn't have a slot that should be brought into melo unless his neighbor is both eliminated and scum. However, replacing in as scum gives so much more reason to be playing so aggressively. He's alone and has nothing to lose by playing so hard and there's no fun in replacing in and immediately conceding when there still might be a chance. Especially considering he found this angle on Pooky to push.
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Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:32 am

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I say jankofan today. If that flips town then we get Pooky. I'm quite confident it's one of them but I'm definitely thinking it's just jankofan
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Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:34 am

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okay I'll self then? Am I L-1?
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Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:36 am

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In post 1132, jankofan wrote:
In post 1130, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote:
In post 1127, jankofan wrote:So if pooky's town, then scum misplayed
or just assumed I'd be a free ml either way
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How then can this be a misplay? PookyTheMagicalBear is alive. You are the leading wagon. What is the point of suggesting a theoretical alternative as the most likely scenario when it doesn't even line up with what iw actually happening?
Yeah I'm still waiting to be enlightened on why thats the case,

But with town!pooky gone I don't actually have a chance of surviving the day so the logic still applies given that I'm still alive and the day's kill could still be redirected
I never argued that your logic makes no sense; I am arguing that it does not nearly suffice as evidence toward your claims when you have not provided anything else that even resembles support for your push on PookyTheMagicalBear.

Granted, I understand not wanting to die immediately after catching up on a 40+ page game. The self-preservation alone is not necessarily indicative of scum, but your lazy alternative wagon certainly is.
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Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:36 am

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In post 1043, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I have finished my first full re-read of the game and plugged your posts into my data analysis spreadsheet and the preliminary results are:

**DRUMROLL**

Highest Likelihood Scumteams:


1. TN/Adorable
2. Piegoron/Raya
3. TN/Piegoron

Full HEATMAP attached below:

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Maybe I'm missing something but why isn't cats in this?
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Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:37 am

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Totally fine with trading with pooky as long as everyone goes through with that.
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Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:37 am

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In post 1144, jankofan wrote:okay I'll self then? Am I L-1?
Please do not self-vote.
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Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:37 am

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Oh prob the FN gambit thing nvm
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