Mini 2156: Launch Mob [Game Over]

[CantHateAPuppy]

Hi guys! I'm puppy I'm going to lurk and make bad contributions, then declare myself obvtown and vote for anyone who disagrees

VOTE: midwaybear

[CantHateAPuppy]

oh no. im already voting for midway bear. plan foiled!

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: Blair I recognize that message from the last game we were in, for shame

using the same joke more than once? this is a serious accusation, blair please explain yourself!!

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: CantLaunchAPuppy

Yay my plan is back on track! Thank you <3

VOTE: Dunnstral

[CantHateAPuppy]

Mafi, can I call you Mafi? I feel like we're going to be great friends, Mafi, I can just tell. You can join my townbloc

Absolutely great vibes, just terrific vibes, the best vibes, vibes that say "trust me, I'm town, you can trust me with anything, sheep me, it won't even be game throwing if I'm scum because I look so town"

[CantHateAPuppy]

1) town!
2) launcher
3) this one on my thumb comes from a knife accident when I was 7
4) 4/10, I wanted to take a mafia break but umlauts such a good host so I'm going to work myself up to enjoy this
5) no but I could be! Applications open
6) scum, and I never roll scum

[CantHateAPuppy]

Mafi Mafi Mafi Mafi Mafi Mafi Mafi

[CantHateAPuppy]

i really don't think blair's reaction shows anything at all and isn't worth dissecting like this

[CantHateAPuppy]

these convos are all boring so im going to make my own

I just want to know what people's thoughts are on this, I don't have a good sense for closed game setup spec. But I've seen people ask this stuff multiple times in past games and it leads to some speculation about their alignment, so I wanted to acknowledge that I was conscious of this fact to make people read into it less. I hope me saying that doesn't make people read into it more -_-

no way there's 3 scum, way too many for size 10. probably 2, maybe 2 and a traitor.

i really don't think blair's reaction shows anything at all and isn't worth dissecting like this

i agree with the puppy.

Ydrasse - how come you didn't agree with me when I said that earlier?

i skipped most of the BM/midway walls, but i like this question and think it shows a mod town attitude

I just came here to have a good time and find my scumbuddy, and I'm feeling very attacked by all these walls and content right now.

leaning town in Mafi b/c he makes me laugh, also a strong personality is a good town sign

[CantHateAPuppy]

@battle mage: regarding your 110

1) what makes post 31 awkward? i don't really see how it feels out of place.

2) the way you're viewing post 42 feels at odds with your view on post 39. isn't midway outing a towny gutread being liberal with his allegiences?

also i'm admittedly not great at gauging people when it comes to meta/going through old games but midway doesn't feel as aloof/combatative as he did last game when pressure was applied to him. i think that the top of 113 is a bit aggressive but other than that it feels sort of relaxed in comparison?

that being said, nosferatu, why do you say that about dunn/blair? i didn't take anything away from their exchange personally.

these posts all rub me the wrong way, just something about askind other people these questions when there's not much out there looks IMO like busywork, it's the kind of thing i'd expect from scum figuring out how to settle in early phase

but this is minor stuff so we can work on it

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: Launchy

Come back to us, Launchy. I miss you.

i missed you too buddy! have you solved the game yet? oh god please say yes

[CantHateAPuppy]

I got tricked into reading some of BM's walls I forgot what page I last read to and ended up reading page 7 on accident

The bonus is I think BM looks pretty town

[CantHateAPuppy]

I especially liked these two posts:

Spoiler:

I’m not really sure how much BM actually believes in his Nosferatu push. It feels like a dumb push to make.

The first sentence may be fair. The second is not, and I would like you to explain it. I am a firm believer in the value of putting people under pressure and seeing how they react, and also getting people to put some words out there, and not just lurk and avoid scrutiny. It's objectively pro-town and the right thing to do, irrespective of my alignment, so I'm surprised to see you dismiss it off-hand.

bm i feel it's... a bit much to expect the second a person show up they lay out a grand platter of stuff for us to chew upon.

You're misrepping me - I haven't said I expected that. But let me remind you of the sequence of events...

Nosferatu shows up:

Seeking a replacement for Nosferatu.

oop

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

^ Not clear what the question above means, or why he voted where he did (although could be random, not necessarily, and worth asking). It does seem though, from the post he picked out, that he has likely been following/read at least some of the game.

This is his only contribution and then he goes away for a bit.

I show up to ask for a bit more explanation of his only post:

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

excuse me?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: nosferatu

Rather than responding and giving any more comment to allow anyone to evaluate his slot, or to put his own opinions out there to influence the discussion, he is evasive and dismisses my question:

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

excuse me?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: nosferatu

ur excused

Subsequently, I follow up by reiterating that question and pressing him for more opinion/comment.

Nosferatu hadnt posted for ages, and when they did turn up (only after being threatened with replacement), they posted nothing useful and didn't want to engage in a dialogue to help sort their slot. It's what I call the road to rome special.

lmao i wasn't threatened with replacement, i was in the process of being replace and i happened remember i signed up for this in time to not get replaced.

ah, I guess I was a bit ambiguous

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

wtf is this? ELABORATE

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

ur telling me that blair geniunely believes dunn took back a L-1 vote cause he was feeling self conscious?

thats crazy bro

Nosferatu - what's your thinking on the game so far? do you have any reads/views?

i think that if dunn flips red so does blair but not the other way around

Ok, why arent you voting Blair then? Is that post really the only thing you want to comment on? FWIW I basically agree with Ydrasse assessment in #159.

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: Noseferatu

I don't have any strong reads and I want to sheep on this for a big

[CantHateAPuppy]

Where?

[CantHateAPuppy]

I expect Mafi to solve the game because he's town and my plan is to lurk and take all the credit. I thought I was clear about this

[CantHateAPuppy]

Pedit: IF you're my partner, Launchy, you can just say. No one will take you seriously and this game will become a lot easier.

I could be! I haven't looked at my scum PT either

[CantHateAPuppy]

Nothing, he's got 4 posts and 2 reads. don't agree that BM was uncharitable to midway, but i only skimmed that, if someone thinks this is a super important interaction please make the case

[CantHateAPuppy]

Oh, also:

FoS: Mafia Goon

im not going to ask why

[CantHateAPuppy]

i don’t wanna leave everyone hanging today so:

Actually it's a

launch

mob

I'm looking forward to Umlaut's next game's flavor, where only a meal served at mid-day can defeat the anti-town faction

Dunn when did you become funny

[CantHateAPuppy]

This is not very helpful. I don't understand anything!

[CantHateAPuppy]

I'll join you Blair!

VOTE: Ready2rock

Nobody is saying anything so it's time to pick a wagon
I like this one!

[CantHateAPuppy]

how come the wagons i join keep dying? how come nobody has any questions for me?

BM's prolly town but his whole readslist is sus because he has me as scum when i'm obvtown

Like, look at him sitting on the sidelines hearing a terrible misreading of my posts and saying "YEAH, GET HER FOR THAT!" while sitting on his hands.

That post is atrocious.

agree with this, might be willing to hammer a dunn wagon

[CantHateAPuppy]

this is more quality good town content from BM FWIW

This is fine.

Blair: A Dunn wagon won't serve as any actual pressure, just FYI
Blair 1 page later: Oh a dunn wagon, time to hop on!

VOTE: Blair

This plus the way she was pushing the votes for me (which I pointed out earlier) makes me feel good about this

I don't agree with Blair's previous vote on you, but she did give an interesting and plausible rationale.

I think the answer to the above perceived discrepancy is that this Dunn wagon isn't simply about "pressure".

You should join the Dunn wagon with me.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Looking through their ISO, Launchy is surprisingly nullscum. They've taken some easy stances on calling BM and specific posts of his town. Wanting to be asked questions I want to give town points for, but there's few stances in there. I'm gonna do a quick meta check to see if they're normally like this early on.

Aaand looking through the Revelations game, I can see they're a lot more inquisitive and have more analysis in there. Oh wow, and then I actually check the OP and they were mafia in that game lol. I guess I should be townreading them for said reasons then?

i keep trying to say more and nobody engages with me! it's hard being this obvtown when the rest of the town is having meaningless discussions that don't go anywhere and nobody cares about my opinion

i think i would launch dunn here, but im kinda liking a noseferatu launch atm too.

[CantHateAPuppy]

I think Blair and Ydrasse and midwaybear all come out looking bad here

i...agree!

why ydrasse and midway? can they both come out looking bad? only one is pushing this launch, i don't see the joint cause cause here

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: Dunnstral

sorry but i cant let you get away with this vote without some sort of explanation. it's my job to hold you accountable and you've given no stance on dunn at all except now to help vote for his almost-launch

[CantHateAPuppy]

well that was easy. and we even did it without anyone having to talk to me directly. great!

[CantHateAPuppy]

but for players not operating at our high level, can you explain why you voted for dunn in the first place

[CantHateAPuppy]

ok

VOTE: ydrasse

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: Dunn

Too bad, I was going to switch before I saw the claim anyways : |

[CantHateAPuppy]

Also I'd absolutely quickhammer Ydrasse here if I was mafia since I'm the most likely launch anyway

Hm self meta aside this is actually kinda true though

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: midwaybear last minute compromise wagon anybody

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: midwaybear last minute compromise wagon anybody

Why try to compromise here right after Dunnstral left that wagon?

I think this launch is better than the two we've got and I regret not jumping on it now

I won't be too picky though as long as no one jumps my townreads (BM and Mafi)

[CantHateAPuppy]

i hope im doing the right thing

i am an investigative role

This is low key scummy because you aren’t specifying what role. I still will vote ydrasse though
VOTE: Ydrasse

Reads like scum positioning to join the wagon (whether ydrasse is scum or not)

[CantHateAPuppy]

I am only as confident as the information I am getting from you guys

I don't like this.

Retracting intent.

He's counter-claiming without telling us his role

or

taking any responsibility for the outcome.

I'd rather launch Dunnstral today and let the PR claims self-sort.

I agree with this except replace Dunn with Midway

[CantHateAPuppy]

one towncredit has been deposited into your account. please use it wisely!

[CantHateAPuppy]

Vote Count 1.13 (FINAL)

Ydrasse

(6): innocentvillager, Nosferatu, Mafia Goon, midwaybear, Battle Mage, ready2rock

Blair

(1): Dunnstral

Mafia Goon

(1): Ydrasse

midwaybear

(1): CantLynchAPuppy, Blair

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.

thinking it has to be someone on-wagon, i don't think scum is in me/blair and i don't think it's dunn either

so of nose/mafi/midway/bm/r2r...? prolly not midway and i still have good feelings about mafi

[CantHateAPuppy]

@battle mage: regarding your 110

1) what makes post 31 awkward? i don't really see how it feels out of place.

2) the way you're viewing post 42 feels at odds with your view on post 39. isn't midway outing a towny gutread being liberal with his allegiences?

also i'm admittedly not great at gauging people when it comes to meta/going through old games but midway doesn't feel as aloof/combatative as he did last game when pressure was applied to him. i think that the top of 113 is a bit aggressive but other than that it feels sort of relaxed in comparison?

that being said, nosferatu, why do you say that about dunn/blair? i didn't take anything away from their exchange personally.

these posts all rub me the wrong way, just something about askind other people these questions when there's not much out there looks IMO like busywork, it's the kind of thing i'd expect from scum figuring out how to settle in early phase

but this is minor stuff so we can work on it

i am willing to accept the L (and use less question marks when i'm not really asking questions)

yeah this first feeling of mine was right shoulda used it instead of goofing on claims

interesting that ydrasse basically spent most of the day talking to midway and BM, a lot of her iso is just gentle conversation with BM

[CantHateAPuppy]

do you think scum was on the ydrasse wagon or off it

[CantHateAPuppy]

blair read post again

[CantHateAPuppy]

What's the case on ydrasse? I have her as slight town right now

OK put some thought into it, and have 3 thoughts

1. I trust IV and the way he cc'ed
2. I'm trusting of what other people are saying about setup stuff since quite a few people are coming to similar conclusions
3. I think trying to rush to an elim of anyone else at this stage of the day would be

really

bad for town

So all of these lead me to VOTE: Ydrasse

yeah midway is right, this progression does look kinda weak

[CantHateAPuppy]

I made 4 posts in between this

So I guess yeah, the progression looks pretty weak if you take away, y'know, any context of a progression

For the record, I didn't have her read as scum based on the content of her posts at all, nothing really jumped out to me (aside from what I said at 387, which wasn't clear cut enough to me to sway me to a vote), so I don't think I would've voted her if it hadn't been for IV counter claiming

And to answer your question earlier, I think off wagon is more likely, mostly because I read most of the people on wagon as town atm, while the people off wagon have largely been null to scum for me

I admit that all I did was ctrl-f your iso for "Ydrasse," but I don't see anything else that shows much more of a progression. Blair's point about you v Dunn feels good too. This post has an edge of too much defense in it, and I'm trying to decide if that's town or not

[CantHateAPuppy]

Now thinking Blair and Dunn are talking past each other, which is not the same as declaring they're TvT, but I'm not sure that's an argument I'm willing to let the whole day be spent on

[CantHateAPuppy]

But I could!

[CantHateAPuppy]

umlaut page top? how could we allow this to happen?

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: ready2rock

[CantHateAPuppy]

just checking in to say i have nothing really new to say in response to the nothing really new that's been said

since nobody's joining blair in her dunn wagon and there are more votes on her i think she has the responsiblilty to pick a different wagon

but maybe she can stubbornly convince me that i'm 100 wrong and i need to join her

[CantHateAPuppy]

who specific is fading into background

[CantHateAPuppy]

midway vote! your POE is all viable wagonsx and you're not voting

[CantHateAPuppy]

bruh why do i have to post to avoid prodge again and there isn't even a full page since my last post

[CantHateAPuppy]

That's not very convincing

this to me actually read town, maybe it's a stupid post to make a hard read on but i'm running out of cares

midway/puppy/dunn townbloc, launch whoever and we win the game right

[CantHateAPuppy]

Ok, I should have more time on this game now.
@Nosferatu is BM scum just because of how he voted Ydrasse? I know he pressured you for some bad reasons early in the game, but is there anything more to it?
I'm leaning away from Dunnstral, but he probably has to go at some point in this game because he isn't doing much right now.
r2r and Blair I need to look at more...
Still not sure who to vote yet, but we have time.

u left me out because i'm obvtown right

[CantHateAPuppy]

who are you

[CantHateAPuppy]

blairian the contrarian

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: Nosferatu

let's get a move on, time to consolidate. if you don't like tis wagon give me a better one

[CantHateAPuppy]

two of the scummiest players in the game are on it, but also two players are on it, which means it's now size 3 and with wagons bigger is better

[CantHateAPuppy]

dunn if you want to vote BM i'll join you and we'll have 3 there, or we can all go back to r2r, both of which are better wagons than this one

[CantHateAPuppy]

Blair is not in my launch pool atm

[CantHateAPuppy]

You guyyyyuuuuyyyyyyyyyyys

I know everyone's busy but we have to come to some sort of vote. We have like a day left to launch and no one's voting

[CantHateAPuppy]

I would rather launch r2r anyways

VOTE: Ready2rock

[CantHateAPuppy]

Hi kerset

I've played Blair before. Why?

Anyways, right now the r2r wagon is "leading" with two votes (not sure I cont your residual vote from BM), so if you want a different wagon please argue a better one or jump on

Personally I don't wanna no launch

[CantHateAPuppy]

Anyone who is opposed to Dunn today: Please explain in what way he has helped the town

presumably, he has a town role pm, and i think that's pretty helpful

[CantHateAPuppy]

meh

dunn's not my first choice but i'll hammer i guess if there's no other movement, in a few hours

i'd still rather launch r2r or Nos

[CantHateAPuppy]

Intent to Hammer

I will come back and hammer in one hour unless someone changes votes to r2r.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Sorry I was taking a bath

Hammer in 5

[CantHateAPuppy]

Sorry Dunn, no one's biting. Maybe after a night phase everyone will be a little more active a little more regularly

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[CantHateAPuppy]

hm. lylo or one mislynch?

with 5 alive vig should out imo

[CantHateAPuppy]

Vote Count 1.13 (FINAL)

Ydrasse

(6):

innocentvillager, Nosferatu, Mafia Goon

, midwaybear, Battle Mage, ready2rock

Blair

(1):

Dunnstral

Mafia Goon

(1):

Ydrasse

midwaybear

(1):

CantLynchAPuppy

, Blair

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.

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[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE COUNT 2.6 (FINAL)

Dunnstral

(5): Blair, Kerset, midwaybear, ready2rock,

CantLynchAPuppy

ready2rock (2):

Mafia Goon, Dunnstral

Kerset (1):

Nosferatu

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to launch.Count 2.6 (final)Dunnstral (5): Blair, Kerset, midwaybear, ready2rock, CantLynchAPuppyready2rock (2): Mafia Goon, DunnstralKerset (1): NosferatuWith 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to launch.

[CantHateAPuppy]

it's definitely just one scum. setup doesn't make sense otherwise. it's probably gunsmith/1-shot vig vs. two scum, maybe with some other minor twist since this is umlaut

[CantHateAPuppy]

this is where im thinking right now

scum > kerset > r2r > midway > blair

[CantHateAPuppy]

go team!!!!!

[CantHateAPuppy]

yeah!!!
!!

[CantHateAPuppy]

Awesome. Which shot was yours?

Kerset > Blair > midway

Avengers assemble!!!!??!! !!!

[CantHateAPuppy]

Mhhhhhmmmmmm

Do we want bulletproof to claim? If BP is a traitor would he even claim? Do we believe the backup claim without a main claim?

[CantHateAPuppy]

We're in the normal queue right

Can a backup inherit from someone of opposite alliance?

[CantHateAPuppy]

I claim VT

Blair I pass the claim to you in this impromptu game of popcorn claim

[CantHateAPuppy]

A traitor would show as clear to a gunsmith

Hm. 2 scum plus bulletproof traitor, gunsmith, and one shot vig. Does BP backup make sense? Either you launch the traitor, and then the town gets a NK vest to to... Make the town stronger? Or the traitor has to get shot twice, massive unlikely

[CantHateAPuppy]

Wow it's crazy how Blair just passed the popcorn claim to midway like that

[CantHateAPuppy]

Wiki makes it sound normal for backup to be opposite alignment from the role

Also possible to have a backup without there being a full roll in the first place

Hm. Nobody has any crumbs to point to right

[CantHateAPuppy]

I'm just trying to play the game man

[CantHateAPuppy]

kerset why were you thinking it's midway

fmpov it's not r2r and u'd be more likely as traitor so im thinking between blair and midway atm

[CantHateAPuppy]

Why do you think we're in lylo? Couldn't it just be one scum left?

[CantHateAPuppy]

i don't know your current level of trust in me, i though it was mediocre

This looks really really weak

[CantHateAPuppy]

Ftr, it's because midway votes "with you", he seems to believe you, then you question his vote and say it was because you weren't sure how much he trusts you. I think it looks weak to call out his vote and then back down to a reason that doesn't really explain the callout

[CantHateAPuppy]

I think we have a mislaunch

[CantHateAPuppy]

Possibilities ranked:

1) kerset is BP backup but there's no BP, it's a red herring
2) kerset is scum lying
3) kerset is traitor signalling to scum
4) kerset is BP and the town BP won't out
5) kerset is BP and the scum have a BP

Maybe 5 should be higher since there is a vig? IDK. The more I thought about this yesterday the more I realized there were a lot of options that all lead back to null.

Kerset would be an OK launch because theres wifom there now and the traitor/scum possibility is there, but I want to poke around Blair / midway before I commit

[CantHateAPuppy]

"Backup" is a role. Bulletproof backup is a specific claim, and wouldn't be combined with any other action

They're separate possibilities, not logical 1) implies -> 2) -> 3). Ranked from most likely to least likely, though actually 5) "scum has a BP" seems a little likelier to me now since it would be a good way to balance a big (especially in a small game)

I think now there is no traitor, I think this setup would make a lot of sense:


* Gunsmith
* Vig
* 6 VT
* 1 BP maf
* Mafia goon

I'm not sure if a town BP backup makes sense (scum dies so town gets extra power? What?). Which is why it could be a red herring or a scum lie. But it's not totally implausible either

[CantHateAPuppy]

Given all that I think traitor is unlikely, so I don't think it's LYLO and we have a mislaunch. If we accept r2r as clear that's 4 players and 2 launches, minus yourself

So if I had to pick 2/3 of Blair/kerset/midway. Well I think it depends on Blair coming in and convincing me town. RN I'm thinking midway

[CantHateAPuppy]

Let me put this one other way

Kerset is either scum or town

If scum, it makes more sense for there to not be a traitor. 2 scum + traitor is a lot of power for town to fight. Gunsmith has a guilty on the vig already, the setup is pretty balanced without a traitor

If town, it makes more sense to not have a traitor. If kerset is telling the truth the BP backup is either a red herring, or scum have a BP, which in either case would be balanced without a traitor

[CantHateAPuppy]

dun DUN DUUUUUUUNNNNNNN

[CantHateAPuppy]

i townread-ed blair because of i've played her before and think i have a sense for her and i think her slot is just inactive / lurking not scum

maybe not worth having at my most townread, idk, im going back and forth over herer

but i don't think it matters, i really don't think we're in LYLO, so i think i can pick 2/3 of kerset/midway/fidget

[CantHateAPuppy]

man im still salty we launched dunn

now i kinda want to launch midway too, and "launch the people in your townbloc" is not really the game-winning strategy for which im known and loved. (unless it works in which case it was totally the plan all along >_>)

fidget please weigh in on the roleclaim stuff. im not sure it actually helps me figure out who i want to launch, and that whole conversation might be keeping me from figuring out who i want to launch, but it definitely helps me feel less confused to have a strong opinion about *something*, which i appreciate

[CantHateAPuppy]

it's not healthy to bottle ur emotions up like that

VOTE: kerset

[CantHateAPuppy]

Kerset is not town because she spent as much time as anyone doing role spec with me

In a game plagued by inactive lurk prod slots

And then after days where I felt like the only one talking, suddenly the fact that I did setup spec is BAD, or something. But kerset only reveals this opinion after there's a sub-in who might buy that opinion

[CantHateAPuppy]

You don't spend a week thinking "man, if only the puppy would talk about something besides spec setup," not say it, then come out and say "omg I've been waiting for a different conversation"

" We could've talked about something else" means "Kerset could have talked about something else." But somehow it's "Puppy could have talked about something else." That doesn't come from town CMV

[CantHateAPuppy]

yeah and i asked u for ur midway opinion, and instead of elaborating you just quoted ur old post about it. don't spend the game not-talking-about-scumreads and then complain that i also was not-talking-about-scumreads

[CantHateAPuppy]

btw the reason im hung up on setup spec is if there's no scumteam the associations are completely different than if there is a traitor

i would like to hear fidget give this more than a once-over. she has reads pretty baked in about how midway looks for pushing ydrasse and how me/kerset look on the ydrasse wagon. but if there's a traitor afoot, well, that sort of BTFO's any standard scum associations.

[CantHateAPuppy]

bc you didn't discuss 'this', opinion
anyway, i don't want to argue about it, because something is pushing me to fight you and i am pretty sure that this is what scum want atm

fair enough, i think i am a little annoyed with this game b/c after posting regularly for weeks with no one else around now suddenly i'm the hot suspect because...?

on that note, r2r, you are basically mechanically clear and not posting, bruh. please post a little more, we could all use some guidance from a town-slot, a little discussion here could make or break the game

[CantHateAPuppy]

yeah, that's wair, after i wrote that i saw your post saying famil matters so... thanks for not chewing my head off

still not thinking it's fidget/blair. i probably need to reread

normally i like to townhunt but if there's a traitor or not, the easiest way to play would just be to look for the one scum we know has to be there.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Here's the one that really bothered me, because it was misleading. At this point here was the votecount:

this was a day before deadline with a lot of inactive players. totally fair to push a launch when no one is pushing any wagons except the one on my townread. i would do it again too

[CantHateAPuppy]

you can scumread me if you want, i'm tired of this game and not sure how much im going to fight it

spent the whole game posting against a lurkbase, talking to blank walls, then having to compromise because nobody's around to work things out. think i played a bad day 1 but that was over a month ago now. not going to hash it all out again at the finish. w/e

pedit: leaving this post as-is lol

[CantHateAPuppy]

know what, i'm going to stick with my midway townread, he's the only other poster who hasn't had a prod or a sub, he's been posting, my read from yesterday was fine. it's kerset/fidget

[CantHateAPuppy]

i thought the opposite when i read it over a few weeks ago, but i also had BM as a day 1 TR so im not going to push it too hard

still leaning toward kerset before fidg though

[CantHateAPuppy]

i've played with blair a few times now and i think her scum game would be very more high energy, even if she had to lurk out. i don't think ydrasse would have been lynched if blair was scum

[CantHateAPuppy]

well maybe i can make the right choice in lylo...
it will be my first one though so no guarantees. I'll still listen to your case though.

or we could make the right launch now and not have to deal with lylo

[CantHateAPuppy]

blair was moving to a new house, so while I would normally agree that she would be better, it might not have been the case this time.

but i don't think blair was moving during day 1, which was over a month ago by this point. i think if blair was scum we would not have launched ydrasse (and i know this is almost the opposite, but i don't think blair would have then tried a counterwagon at the last moment if scum either)

[CantHateAPuppy]

So whoever is scum here is playing a bit more complicated game than just sticking to scumreading the other two

i think this is kind of an interesting thing to be thinking and not something scum trying to fake it would make up

so if i stick to my blair townread, it's midway/kerset. and if i stick to my midway townread, it's fidget/kerset. ergo it's kerset again

[CantHateAPuppy]

imo the last few posts from fidget are screaming town energy in a way that kerset's didn't

don't want to commit myself to a strong opinion so easily but... thinking about it, when talking with kerset i wasn't getting strong town vibes like i'm getting from fidg now

[CantHateAPuppy]

i agree about the claim. is a scum backup bulletproof possible? that wouldn't make any sense right? the mod wouldnt want to fake out the scumteam with a red herring like that. (it's really really not likely that a scum backup bulletproof was used to warn scum about the vig, right?) so either kerset made up a really good lie or she's town after all

[CantHateAPuppy]

if we're going to do the setup spec again... i think gunsmith/vig + vanillas everywhere else is balanced "enough". i would probably expect one other wrinkle, because umlaut likes that and gunsmith/vig probably needs some degree of scum counter, just something small to rebalance. i don't think that'd be a traitor, whether im willing to bet the whole game on that is something im waffling on

but kerset's claim as-is isn't strong enough, i think, to override thes ort of normal work of playing the game and trying to read people. it's not a slam-dunk like r2r's claim

[CantHateAPuppy]

crazy paranoid aliens-built-the-pyramids-using-chemtrails-and-gay-frogs: r2r is a scum 1-shot vig, which is why the setup has 10 players. so then the backup bulletproof is. hm. never mind, back to your scheduled programming

[CantHateAPuppy]

Bah, screw this game for now

I'm not townreading Midway off his body of work, it's more that I find his interactions with Ydrasse to be somewhat unbelievable if he's scum

funny, midway's interaction widh ydrasse is the only thing i could scumread him for

[CantHateAPuppy]

i want to sleep on it, im too tired to think rn and i want the chance to change my mind

i think my main townread on midway came because he argued day 2 that his day 1 made him clear. i didn't actually agree but liked the way he pushed himself forward like that

[CantHateAPuppy]

UNVOTE:

Kerset is just argumentative personality, not alignment indicative anymore tbh

[CantHateAPuppy]

townclear townleans my scumleans and scumleans my townleans. feels bad man

[CantHateAPuppy]

if not you, then I agree that puppy is scum.

nani???!

[CantHateAPuppy]

but you can't launch a puppy

[CantHateAPuppy]

if not you, then I agree that puppy is scum.

nani???!

midway come explain why u're positioning urself to launch me after fidg flips as town.

[CantHateAPuppy]

i really regret launching dunn now. why am i even posting if all my reads get ignored until lurkers and subs come in at the last minute? u guys have been too much work this game, it's like trying to stand on jello. graveyard, here i come, sorry i wasn't as obvtown as i thought!

[CantHateAPuppy]

Puppy, if you're not wanting kerset anymore, who would your main preference be? Can't get a sense of who you scumread more between midway and fidget (or who you townread less, as the case may be)

I keep changing my mind

Here's where I'm at:

My fidget townreads is 100% based on thread play and vibes. I think this is a strong read, I feel it in my gut.

The only thing I dislike about Fidg right now is her coming up with reasons why midway isn't so town after all, but then declaring he's off limits to her anyways

My midway townreads on reflection is something I've been forcing. It's not a strong feeling, it's something I "chose". I'm not sure it makes as much sense now

[CantHateAPuppy]

If you don't launch me, my two launches would be kerset and midway. I'm not sure what order

It looks like kerset and Fidg really want to make this me v. Midway. I think if I vote midway r2r will launch me and then game will go to lylo. I would be ok with that if I felt strong enough in a midway scumread to deffo say "he's who you should launch when i flip town". But I don't feel that confident atm

[CantHateAPuppy]

I also can't believe that the cute puppy is being accused of emotional manipulation

[CantHateAPuppy]

Fidget, why do you want me so badly? There's a big case you've written up but it looks more like different thoughts trying to convince yourself. Always believed a good belief just needs one reason (though I don't do that myself always lol). Can you boil it down to one reason (or are we beyond talking -- if your read is that strong don't bother I guess)

[CantHateAPuppy]

@battle mage: regarding your 110

1) what makes post 31 awkward? i don't really see how it feels out of place.

2) the way you're viewing post 42 feels at odds with your view on post 39. isn't midway outing a towny gutread being liberal with his allegiences?

also i'm admittedly not great at gauging people when it comes to meta/going through old games but midway doesn't feel as aloof/combatative as he did last game when pressure was applied to him. i think that the top of 113 is a bit aggressive but other than that it feels sort of relaxed in comparison?

that being said, nosferatu, why do you say that about dunn/blair? i didn't take anything away from their exchange personally.

these posts all rub me the wrong way, just something about askind other people these questions when there's not much out there looks IMO like busywork, it's the kind of thing i'd expect from scum figuring out how to settle in early phase

but this is minor stuff so we can work on it

I also don't agree that I have absolutely no posts suspecting Ydrasse, look above. It seems like an odd argument for you to think I don't tbh. I think my game has been more having wild changing reads all over the place and I understand why my Ydrasse wagon hopping looks bad. But that isn't the reason you put in big bold letters

[CantHateAPuppy]

I swear it's like everyone is scumreading the players who townreads them hardest

Something weird in that

[CantHateAPuppy]

If I were scum right now, I'd need two mislaunches. How would I get there

It's not enough to mislaunch today because today's launch would need to set me up for tomorrow

Would it be easiest to go to a strict 3p lylo or do the Gambit of keeping r2r alive and trust he'd launch the other player? In this case it's have to be 3p lylo right

So I guess the question is which two players I'd want alive in lylo, who would give me the best chance of some sort of deadlock

Puppy/fidget

Puppy/kerset

Puppy/midway

Fidget/kerset

Fidget/midway

Midway/kerset

It would have to be a lylo that excludes any two players who townreads each other. That would rule out... Lmao I'm not sure it rules any out. Until Fidg voted me I might have said puppy/Fidg. Puppy/midway?

[CantHateAPuppy]

I don't actually see the logic for a Mafi kill. At the end he had loose scumread on me and the Blair/Fidget slot. Someone (midway?) Said it was probably because mafi was widely townreads. But I'm not sure if I think that's true

[CantHateAPuppy]

I'm way too low, but I will also VOTE: Dunnstral
The main argument that he's town is that he was Ydrasse's counterwagon, but he hasn't done much townie stuff IMO.

This is the list that made Dunn's wagon the leading wagon. R2r was half sheeping and I just wanted a launch any launch b/c deadline

Kind of interesting that midway has played decisive roles in both launches so far imo

[CantHateAPuppy]

But I mean let's not forget his airtight defense:

Well... it's not me

oh shoot you right!

Anyone who is opposed to Dunn today: Please explain in what way he has helped the town

The last statement is sorta scummy to me for some reason. It seems like you are viewing Dunn as a policy lynch and then will shrug your shoulders and say "oh well" when he flips town. Granted, he has been pretty useless.
My vote is probably on you tomorrow if he does flip town though.

I think puppy townread dunnstral for acting like town when he was about to be hanged. But I don't think that's a good reason which is why I'm fine with Dunnstral.

Not sure I like these two posts almost next to each other. It's like this, in the first post midway half assumes Dunn will flip town but defends it as a good launch anyways, but then he has to make a second post clarifying that he does think Dunn will flip scum. There's like this extra middle step of "but even if Dunn is town it's a good launch" that I don't see town motivation for

[CantHateAPuppy]

Did scum know to look out for a vig? Somehow that seems like exactly the twist that would balance the setup and fulfill the Umlaut creative twist requirement. But I'm not sure. If they have a bulletproof or kerset is scum, then they would have. But if kerset's role is a red herring, they might not have

[CantHateAPuppy]

Or scum would have suspected vig by the presence of gunsmith and the 10 player number set!!!

[CantHateAPuppy]

Because it's another way scum could have been thinking about things. That's important to me. I want to touch the marble, I want to lick the marble, I want to date the marble, I want to feel the marble!!

[CantHateAPuppy]

*be the marble damn autocorrect really going to ruin my killer reference

[CantHateAPuppy]

I think your play today has been mostly dominstead by mechanical speculation and somewhat frustration AtE. That's not all you do, but those parts in particular are not hard to fake

Yeah, but much harder to fake than the "lurk lurk lurk lurk lurk" strategy everybody else was following until we finally got some subs in

Go reconsider what *you'd* talk about in my place here

[CantHateAPuppy]

Puppy I think your plan was initially "Stress townread Fidget (to throw us off I guess and to be consistent with the read you've had this hold time), eliminate Kerset using her suspicions on Kerset, eliminate Fidget on the next day using midways preexisting suspicions"

It's a pretty slam dunk plan, you totally would have won that Xylo

It would've been much easier for me to push you when that's what everyone else wanted, why would I trade a good mislaunch for the uncertainty of today's launch? It would be the wrong scumplay, since I can't predict the effect of a sub

Also I think if I were scum and I'd know what the deal is wrt the BP, I wouldn't need to spend that much time speculating in thread, it'd be a waste of my time when I could have laid the ground for some really effective dominance instead

Like your assumption is I'm playing a good scum game but if I were scum there'd be objectively better moves lol

Don't expect this to make a difference since your read is about day 1 wagons, but when I flip town you're going to have to resort your whole opinion on that and I'd rather we start now

[CantHateAPuppy]

Oh, we've got a whole day left, good

[CantHateAPuppy]

midway hasn't done a towny thing (but we're agreeing he's town)

nani

[CantHateAPuppy]

It would've been much easier for me to push you when that's what everyone else wanted,

When?

When it was blair in the slot, feel like a couple people wanted to launch that

[CantHateAPuppy]

everyone decided mid is town yes? (besides Kerset)

I too struggle to find him scummy although not as much as I did before. Ready2rock also disapproved of going back on him

so you don't think midway is town, you don't think he's scum, but you're just going to default to consensus? i don't understand that.

[CantHateAPuppy]

i dont mind you questioning a midway townread, it's something iw ant to think about too, but i do think it's weird to open these questions about your midway TR, then decide it's off-limits after all

[CantHateAPuppy]

i just reread like the first twenty pages in bed cause this game stresses me out

Midway didnt push the Ydrasse wagon. im so dumb. the only time he pushed Ydrasse was when she was at 1 vote (his).

during crunch time where ydrasse and dunn both had a lot of steam end of day, he lobbed a ton of shade comments at Dunn despite voting for Ydrasse. and then switched to dunn. he never even says a word about ydrasse from what im seeing

IV, Nosferatu, Mafia Goon, and Puppy(to an extent) were all much more responsible for getting Ydrasse killed. while they were doing that, midway was questioning ppl townreading dunn and saying Dunns L-1 reaction wasnt hard to fake

it hardly makes sense for someone who thinks their option (the one they are voting FOR) is the best elim to then turn around and say "Yeah guys Dunn isnt swaying me you should finish him off". its odd

It looks like an early bus but it actually really wasnt, I think i interpreted it poorly on the first read. So either a.) im tired out of my mind and this reread is faulty so you should disregard this

or b.) My midway read is a total lie and I need to start weighing him against puppy

Also Kerset is way more likely town in that case

if midway is scum that perfectly explains why Puppy and Kerset feel towny and he doesnt. Kerset feels town from their predecessor, the claim, and that last frustrated comment abt midway. puppy idk also feels like town I'll go into it trrmow hopefully

i hope im doing the right thing

i am an investigative role

This is low key scummy because you aren’t specifying what role. I still will vote ydrasse though
VOTE: Ydrasse

this is still such a weird post to me. I do not get it. if he thinks IV is scummy, why is he voting Ydrasse?

i still cant think of an explanation for it honestly for any alignment

I am seriously considering the possibility that midway never intended for people to join him on Ydrasse and that credit grabbing at the end was him trying to salvage something from her death. Previously i had thought he was much more directly responsible for getting her killed but he really only pushed her when she wasnt under elimination pressure. but he makes it out like he did afterwards

Still though he might be town I guess because it was still a somewhat bold move to distance his partner early, just significantly less bold than i was thinking

anyway this has been me rambling at 5 am let me know if im more enlightened than before or if I just took a huge step backwards. I may completely change my mind tomorrow but i feel compelled to leave this here so i dont forget what I've been thinking abt thru the reread

^ this was a pretty strong midway question, basically undermining the whole read of his place on the ydrasse wagon that was his best town-proof, then you decide you won't ever double check anyways:

For the record I 100% leave midway in the townbin and do not reevaluate him ever as scum. I also wouldnt talk nearly as much and although I would effort decently, itd be in a much smaller amount of posts

That's okay though I feel sort of confident my pool of 2 is correct, meaning I have a 50/50 off the bat

i just think that's a weird progression. if midway is 100% town then i don't get the progression that bothers to dissect it, or if not that then the moment where you decide "never mind, midway has to be town anyways"

[CantHateAPuppy]

actually this argument is kinda pointless, i don't really disagree with your last posts enough about optimal launch strategy and arguing about how hard you read midway doesn't do it for me anymore

[CantHateAPuppy]

3p lylo... Aw man

[CantHateAPuppy]

I'm gonna be camping this weekend but I'll have my phone and will check in

So either we lightning this now or we drag this out a while

[CantHateAPuppy]

It's probably kerset

[CantHateAPuppy]

Lmao

[CantHateAPuppy]

I think it's you. You think it's Kerset. Kerset thinks it's me.
Wonderful. I think we should take our time. Why would we "lightning"?
Oh yeah fidget. That was pretty cruel. Sorry though.

i missed this post

sometimes you just have to yolo, i've been debating between you/kerset for a few days anyways since i had fidg townread

not sure what to think of the fact that my townreads have been right and getting launched anyways. is it something wrong with my playstyle? do people just not accept on a mental level being yelled at by a puppy? should i edit my avatar to have a little crown of fire and a fang of lightning?

[CantHateAPuppy]

maybe an eyepatch? the eyepatch can have a scar on it

[CantHateAPuppy]

Vote Count 1.13 (FINAL)

Ydrasse

[/b] (6):

innocentvillager, Nosferatu, Mafia Goon,

midwaybear,Battle Mage,

ready2rock

Blair

(1): Dunnstral

Mafia Goon

(1):

Ydrasse

midwaybear

(1): CantLynchAPuppy,

Blair

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.[/area][/color]

Vote Count 2.6 (final)

Dunnstral

(5): Blair,

Kerset, midwaybear,

ready2rock,

CantLynchAPuppy

ready2rock

(2): Mafia Goon, Dunnstral

Kerset

(1):

Nosferatu

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to launch.[/area][/color]

Vote Count 3.7 (Final)

Fidget

(3): midwaybear,

ready2rock

, Kerset

CantLynchAPuppy

(1):

Fidget

Not voting

(1): CantLynchAPuppy

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to launch.[/area][/color]

kind of lol that each of us has been a vanity wagon at EOD

midway and kerset's slot have been on the same launch wagons each time which is a little annoying when i want to find out the differences

[CantHateAPuppy]

yeah but dunn and fidg were both my strongest townreads, i tried defending both. that should count for something when the town lines up its wagons

[CantHateAPuppy]

that just proves no one wants to sheep my opinions

it's not a big problem we can workship this postgame. im mostly just deciding if i want to reread now or if i still have trip things to do that mean it'll have to wait a few days

[CantHateAPuppy]

kerset how much is your mind made up

[CantHateAPuppy]

i am pretty genuinely torn. sorry if it's obvious!

[CantHateAPuppy]

kerset how much is your mind made up

i was really hoping this question ^ would bait kerset into maybe exposing whether she was waiting for my opinion or is hunting on her own, as a way to compare against 1009, but i guess she's already sort of nerfed it now:

I am here. We can have a productive discussion...
I am quite doubtful now. I could go either way.

Its cool that you have no interest in argumentation your own reads.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Most of the leads are lack of reason why would he be town

this is sort of what i was thinking too wrt midway. i know what you posted already, can you either elaborate briefly or give a tldr? just looking to see if you have any forceful way of putting it or if something strikes you as a particularly good point now that more time has passed

[CantHateAPuppy]

puppy, you didn't even really defend fidget in the end...

i wasn't online

i came online to see fidget hammered and doing the scum confession and before i could post a corny "aw shucks i was wrong " post umlaut had locked

[CantHateAPuppy]

i was wondering, puppy did you expect this game to have vig on d2?

i don't remember. the weird game size and gunsmith definitely implied one, in hindsight, but it seems so obvious now i can't get into any headspace where it wouldn't be obvious. hm. i might have considered it but i didn't go as far as to vig hunt or anything

I would not consider 964, 966, 970, 971 to be defending fidget. Those were your last 4 posts.

in my mind i was more arguing with a townread who had it wrong, maybe the phrase "weird progression" in 970 was weird on my part because that's a phrase people use when thinking scum. i didn't think r2r was going to launch fidg so i wasn't defending super hard atm

[CantHateAPuppy]

Wait...
Is mafia goon just a mafia traitor open wolfing?

hm

[CantHateAPuppy]

midway doesn't deserve that much credit for ydrasse imo because he just asserted she was scum and voted, then hopped off and later back on when it was a strong wagon. not much pushing. otoh it's not exactly scummy either

[CantHateAPuppy]

If you're going to go down that road, I really don't think 3 scum vs 7 town was ever going to be a viable setup in the first place? If I really thought that MG was our traitor, then I probably would have just known when he claimed to be a mafia goon.
I'm not really going to bother with you about the Fidget stuff. I'll be looking at D1 and D2, and then maybe D3. I can see a townie being genuinely unsure.

no the traitor post was interesting to me b/c i thought i was the first to mention a traitor. i thought it was some nonproductive steam from my head but maybe i was thinking about it because other people suggested it. i use my own iso as a place to store notes

[CantHateAPuppy]

kerset? what do you think of me. not as town/scum, but what's your take on my personality as a player, strengths / weaknesses that sort of thing. not looking for compliments but trying to work something out here

[CantHateAPuppy]

nah nobody reads walls, only write them if you want to show you put in the work or the exercise of typing is helping you think something through. otherwise the ideal post length is maybe a few sentences, longer than the posts i've been writing tbh, long enough to add something productive to the conversation but short enough that people will read them.

[CantHateAPuppy]

kerset? what do you think of me. not as town/scum, but what's your take on my personality as a player, strengths / weaknesses that sort of thing. not looking for compliments but trying to work something out here

You seems to be the kind of player, which avoid argues and negative emotions. In terms of hunt more emotional/behavioral oriented then fact-based.

thank you. am i someone you would want to get in an argument with? or if we disagreed on some point would you let it go quietly

[CantHateAPuppy]

i even said sorry in 909

[CantHateAPuppy]

fake. i just copied

[CantHateAPuppy]

kerset? what do you think of me. not as town/scum, but what's your take on my personality as a player, strengths / weaknesses that sort of thing. not looking for compliments but trying to work something out here

You seems to be the kind of player, which avoid argues and negative emotions. In terms of hunt more emotional/behavioral oriented then fact-based.

thank you. am i someone you would want to get in an argument with? or if we disagreed on some point would you let it go quietly

The only people that i would avoid arguing are someone like jingle or radiantcowbells, who don't know when to end argues and flood me with endless posts.

Puppy is there any conclusion coming from your questions?

im trying to figure out, if you were scum, whether you would waffle between your options or pick one town to buddy and another to launch

midway would waffle between, but he would also do that as town too

[CantHateAPuppy]

1023 was actually totally unrelated to 1022

[CantHateAPuppy]

i could also see idling as town coasting after a scum launch, which would make sense b/c that's what everyone else was doing too d2

[CantHateAPuppy]

no just decided it doesn't lean me either direction

[CantHateAPuppy]

Mid if I was scum I'd vote with kerset against you and win. Game would be over

[CantHateAPuppy]

Mid if I was scum I'd vote with kerset against you and win. Game would be over

This applies to all of us.

Maybe we're all town!

[CantHateAPuppy]

It's probably still Kerset

[CantHateAPuppy]

I don't actually get at all why you would townreads kerset over me

But I'm still on vacation and don't care. If you vote first I'll actually feel a lot better about losing than if I vote first and pick wrong

[CantHateAPuppy]

Mod

can we please get a 12 hour extension or something?

this is townie because scum BM probably tries to get dunnstral hangs or ydrasse risks cc?

Uh, ok, whatever you have to tell yourself

[CantHateAPuppy]

Actually, that's the best setup spec anyone's done all game tbh. Embarrassed I didn't think of it first

Willing to give kerset time to respond. I still think it's probably kerset and will vote there, but if you really want me to vote first for a cross I might

[CantHateAPuppy]

So Umlaut, if you really put a backup BP as a red herring, it really made an impact on the game. Good job, but ugh then.

This will be really lmao if Midway is the scum after all

Actually I don't think scum says this here at all, this is one of those town "moments" scum doesn't fake imo

[CantHateAPuppy]

I'm not scum

[CantHateAPuppy]

Kerset why'd you have to vote, now midway crosses and it's up to me to win/lose

[CantHateAPuppy]

Kerset why'd you have to vote, now midway crosses and it's up to me to win/lose

so your nick could become a true statement

Lmao thanks

[CantHateAPuppy]

Leaning kerset for "gut" but will leave chance to argue. Let me try to explain "guy"

Midway is type of player who does not type every thought. Few short posts that don't elaborate. Have known few other players like this. So day 1 when midway pushes Ydrasse and claims credit later, he is taking his 1-2 posts more seriously than most players would. Doesn't read like scum fake bravado but genuine town seeking credit from this style of player I've seen before

Kerset is more normal, player who relies on argument and content. (But, uh, normal is not bad and not-normal is not bad.) I think in 3p lylo scum kerset would try to convince me, because if midway votes me she wins, and if she convinced me she wins. I don't think she could argue with midway like that because he's the kind of player who thinks for himself rather than being moved by long argument

That's my "gut". Could be 180 degrees wrong

[CantHateAPuppy]

Yeah it's also suggestive that kerset didn't vote until you said you would vote her

[CantHateAPuppy]

I had the thought that scum kerset voting me and making a midway/kerset cross would be game-losing when midway would have voted me otherwise

But since midway decided to vote kerset instead, no longer game-losing. Maybe the better option because that means she controls the cross I stead of midway. Though maybe still not what scum would do when there's even a chance midway would vote me still?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Votecount 5.06
Kerset (1): Shadoweh Shadoweh (1): Jingle Jingle (1): Kerset Not Voting (2): Chemist1422, hitogoroshi With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-02-17 10:30:00)

This is the most powerful votecount I've ever seen

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Though maybe still not what scum would do when there's even a chance midway would vote me still?

probably was feeling the pressure and got overdefensive
Also, look at my reaction to Fidget's fake scum outing. Does that really look fake?

It could be. If I was scum and someone fake outed Id immediately fake celebrate with everything I've got

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Mid I'm not sure why you would have a good kerset scum case when you thought it was me until just now. Actually your towncade might be helpful

Would appreciate a scum case from kerset but the one I'm getting is a little histrionic ("lies")

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the only reason i respond to midway's posts more is that if you don't he won't show you what he's thinking. kerset is much easier to get a thought out of. (thanks! even if you're scum though i'm not sure)

night 8 vig

i will do a little reread and will probably hammer tonight. i don't want to say something like "whenever umlaut posts a new votecount" because that's maybe a little scummy of me, but i kinda don't want to vote and then wait a few hours for flip

i'm still thinking it over, kerset has made some very good points the last page tbh. my real hesitation is that i never get lylo right, ever

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VOTE: kerset

do we win

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did i just screw up? lmao sorry if i got it wrong

pedit: truly???

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i should have waited to make sure umlaut was online lol, i don't want to believe you lmao

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sorry kerset lmao, i enjoyed playing with you, let's play another game together where you aren't scum. you did a nice job with the slot

lesson learned, townreads > scumreads

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at least fmpov both kerset and midway played really good games, all i did was rely on my gut, all the words and arguments didn't really help me in the end

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yeah I only thought it was Kerset after thinking about her claim
as I said before, scum were quite townie this game. Well played lol
puppy, why did you end up voting Kerset?

hm. midway has a personality where he posts like he doesn't think about the game in his spare time, skim-and-post. only ever known a few players with that style. really thought it made sense as town this game. kerset had a few moments where she was very friendly to me, which i appreciated but for some reason also felt like they wouldn't have been there if she was really town

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epic win!!!!!!!!

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im still sorry i had to hammer on dunn

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fish in the sea, you know how i feel

river running free, you know how i feel

blossom on the tree, you know how i feel

it's a new dawn

its a new day

its a new life

for meeeeeeeeeeeee

and i'm feeling good