Mini Theme 2162: Wherewolf [Game over | Village win]

[Almost50]

So, apparently we have a Clairvouyant and an Innkeeper, and the Clairvouyant got a Corrupt result, which is 60% on a Wolf and 40% on Town.

So, I guess if the Town has a Sinner/Seducer they should claim??

The advantage is if either is the Clairvouyant's target then they know and will not claim (the Clairvouyant won't claim, that is). If the Clairvouyant's target doesn't claim either that's a confirmed Wolf.

Wolves

can

fakeclaim, but they run the risk of being found out by eithe the Monk or the Priest if either/both is/are in play.

Wirst case scenario though is we have no Monk, no Proest, no Sinner and no Seducer, in which case both scum can fakeclaim Sinner & Seducer. (I am assuming 2 Scum because we are only 11 players).

That's as much as I've been able to digest from the list of roles so far. It takes time for one to be fully acquainted with a new setup that is composed of new/non-standard roles like this one.

[Almost50]

And...??

Also, did everybody read the rules? because I see you (he two who posted) voting in-thread.

[Almost50]

I wanna know how A50 scored a named role?

Come again?

[Almost50]

Morning announcements must be via pm.

I'm sorry to report I am trying to decipher what you're saying into something comprehensible, but -so far- I failed miserably.

[Almost50]

Waiting for Spicer and WLC to post
Priest should not claim until the sinner and or (seducer if claimed) are checked. The Inn keeper and (Bard if they exsist ) prob should claim either.

I am claiming NC Town aligned... if the cop invesigate me I should come up as NC ,if they get anything else I need to be executed

Why all the claims?? It serves no purpose to ask someone to claim unless you tell us the pros and cons.

For example, I don't see why the Inn Keeper should claim at all. We got the morning news through them. If they claim they die and we no longer get the announcement.

I also don't know why the Priest should claim. We have the Sinner claiming already. A Seducer may or may not exist. If not, then that's a sweet spot for a Wolf to fakeclaim and get caught lying. If there there is, then te Seducer themselves can CC.

But -as I said- I am not sure I am on top of everything yet. I probably need you to talk to me about how you're seeing things from a mechanical perspective to help polish my grasp.

Note: I am assuming NC = Non-Corrupt?

[Almost50]

Don’t know anything that’s going on right now, so

I’m going to follow the player who I feel is the most pro village

.

The jury is still out on that.

This post means nothing unless you tell us who that is.

[Almost50]

Everybody has already posted (except for Spicer). We have a claimed Sinner and no Seducer. I don't believe anyone else should claim, but if someone wants to argue otherwise they're welcome to provide their reasoning.

As for votes; I am neither for nor against announcing it on this stage, but I think it is more important to announce them in the next stage (the ballot), as we could catch some discrepancies.

P-edit: NOW I get it. Thanks.

[Almost50]

Generally speaking I do not fancy dictating actions on TPRs. I'd let them decide on their own. That said, if the majority is in favour of this I don't have the authority to veto it.

Also, the Clairvoyant probably checked the claimed Sinner by the looks of it. No one else claimed Corrupt, and I think the Clairvoyant would have claimed a guilty if they didn't check brighteningskies is specific. Do you agree??

[Almost50]

I am NC, btw.

[Almost50]

Unless I missed it, I don't think insomnia/ItalianoVD/Pine/spicer1209/WeyounsLastClone claimed Corrupt/Not Corrupt explicitly yet

[Almost50]

And I am for checking Elements too. I assume Fuzzy doesn't mind it (he's got Elements as Scum) so that's THREE votes on Elements to checked

@Clairvoyant

[Almost50]

I don't. Why is checking you a problem if you're NC??

[Almost50]

No it's not. If we have a "Corrupt check" you're caught scum. If we don't you're conf!town (at least to me you are, because I don't think you are a Defector the way you have been playing)

[Almost50]

are you all rlly bad at reading within the lines?
I've basically claimed at this point

I dunno what you're claiming and I don't CARE what you're claiming. You see, even if what Swift is hinting is true you could still be faking to draw a CC. It's just how my mind works, dude.

[Almost50]

I'll volunteer to be checked.

Rejected. No one should "self-nominate". We may have a DEFECTOR in play. (Unless you know something I don't). It's a collective call from all the players.

[Almost50]

I'm going to reread A50 because he trolls like it's his job

Nah. It's just a sidekick. I don't get paid to do it.

[Almost50]

and am inclined to think TFL99 would not be so bold or reckless as scum

Is this a general read or accustomed to what you know of TFL?

Regardless of what the answer is, what posts did you perceive as "bold" or reckless for page 1?

With no follow-up on these, I've got no idea on insomnia.

Inso never posted after that. You know, you can't

win a marathon without putting a few bandaids on your nipples

do a follow up without posting in the thread

[Almost50]

Deadline will be paused/delayed if I don't have a replacement for Spicer soon
I will allow for at least 24 hours worth of talk from when the replacement comes in until the vote

Searching for replacements is difficult, if you know of anyone who might be interested please send them my way

NC here. But not sure if the whole C/NC will help much, I think we're only looking for the Seducer at this point, who at this point would hopefully have claimed if (s)he was in the game. Maybe it could still be spicer/(or his/her replacement).

If Elements is the Clairvoyant he checks Spicer's slot. Problem solved.

[Almost50]

OR we can all save ourselves (and the mod) the trouble and just nuke the slot out.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

alternatively you could trust me FOR A SINGLE NIGHT, get two town confirmed and then we can win this thing.

Come again? What TWO town get confirmed?

[Almost50]

Also, would you be willing to eliminate the Spicer slot today? Do you have any confident reads?

And since we're at it, why did you pick brighteningskies for a N0 check?

[Almost50]

How do you get confirmed in that situation? And why are you assuming your check will return a clear?

P-edit; WHAT??? Are you saying WLC is CORRUPT???

[Almost50]

Like, if that;s true then why aren't you campaigning for his elimination already??

[Almost50]

Like, if that;s true then why aren't you campaigning for his elimination already??

yes, because someone pagetopping means they're scum

???? Are you even reading THIS game? Do you know how it works AT ALL??

The MODERATOR announced there is a POSITIVE CORRUPT CHECK ON N0. You claim you are the Clairvoyant AND that you checked WLC. It thus follows that WLC is CORRUPT. Coruupt roles are 5, 3 of which are WOLVES, and 2 are Town. We have one of the Town roles claimed. Furthermore,. WLC claimed NON-CORRUPT. This means he lying (according to your own result) and thus should be eliminated today. No?

[Almost50]

I "think" I got your answer. You were saying you WILL check WLC tonight, Yes? If so, my question wasn't about who your check will be on. It was about who you already checked. Who did you check on N0 and why did you pick them?

[Almost50]

Ser-fucking-iously? So what are you claiming? And what is your N0 result? And who qas your target? And why did you pick them?

[Almost50]

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR CLAIM? Quit stalling? If you don't comply I will assume you're either a Wolf or a Madman (who wants to be killed at night) and will make sure you get eliminated today (thus ensuring your loss AND eliminating a "not town" slot)

[Almost50]

Alright:

1st: I am nominating you on the ballot
2nd: I humbly request that you do not join or replace into any games I am in. I will do the dame to you.

[Almost50]

AGAIN.. @EVERYBODY: Do we eliminate Spicer's slot to get the game going or do we wait for someone to volunteer to play in this weird setup??

@Mod: Maybe check on Xtoxm to see if he would like to replace in? He was the mod in BOTC so clearly he is interested in these kinds of games, but the question is whether he has the time

[Almost50]

@Fuzzy: If it helps, I think I know what Elements is claiming now, but =most probably- so do the Wolves. I'd leave him alone for today.

As for Defector, I didn't assume there is/isn't one. I am saying people should not nominate themselves for the Clairvoyant check.

Meanwhile we need to finish the nominations for the ballot. We would have the time to direct the Clairvoyant (if they will accept it) while we decide which of the people on the ballot we eliminate, but right now we need to decide who our elimination pool for today consists of.

P.S. This is NOT A DEFENSE of Elements. Just a possibility. Either way I stand by my opinion that he's not playing optimally.

[Almost50]

I guess I should just say now that I am corrupt. My win conditions are a little difficult, but doable. As far as who to put on ballot I accidentally did an iso of A50 and my gosh man are you always this emotional? It could be wolf theatre, but actually no I like Elements; seems the most town. Anybody that trolls like that has to be town.

Either you don't understand what corrupt is; or you don't understand what corrupt is.

Oh, and there's a really insignificant 3rd option: You so not understand what corrupt is.

Now that I got that out of the way, Are you Sinner/Seducer? (Obviously not, because you have "win conditions" that are "a little difficult, but doable").

Are you Jester/Madman? (Obviously not, because neither had "win condition

S

", and neither is Corrupt?

Do you know what you are talking about? Most probably not, AND THAT IS WHY I HAVE A SHORT FUSE.

Now try again.. are you corrupt? (Yes/No)
If Yes, what is your role?

[Almost50]

Actually, I apologize to each and everyone I brushed off. It is my own fault to play with [redacted]. New rule for myself: Do not play with anyone who registered less than a year ago, nor with people who saw fit to jump straight from the Newbies to Themed and/or Large games without passing on the Open-setup queue.

[Almost50]

I agree with Inso. IVD started the game with a scummy post (complaining about my mechanical post). he then proceeds to claim he will be following someone he TRs. 110 shows he did at least see the call for the C/NC claim, but he held back until 151, which doesn't even make sense with [post]110[post] (how is he corrupt, undecided on claiming it or not, and is alright being checked?)

So, I think I am nominating that on the ballot today. As for the check, I have no problem being checked myself if that's what everybody wants.

[Almost50]

I also put Italiano, so let's stick to it. You need to be clear about whether you want the Clairvoyant on me or on WLC though, not just for the Clairvoyant's sake but ALSO for the Whitch' sake (if existent)

[Almost50]

I should add Italiano disappearing after his revelation in 151 also doesn't bide well with me. It looks like he spoke without thinking and when I pointed it out he vanished. I'll wait for him to come clarify what he said, but until then he is my #1 vote for today.

[Almost50]

Guys, Italian is now confirmed!Scum to me. He F'd up big time and is now stalling because he doesn't know what to do and can't find an out from the corner he put himself in.

As for Elements, he's not a WW. He's just bad TOWN.

We have everybody claiming C/NC now. Only brighteningskies & Italiano claimed NC. Everyone else explicitly claimed NC, except for Pine, but he did claim "Not Sinner or Seducer".

[Almost50]

^This means any Corrupt check by Clairvoyant is now a hard guilty.

[Almost50]

@Fuzzy: Re your 174, you are focused on the Corrupt bit of Italiano's claim, but overlooking the mention of "win conditions" that are "a little difficult, but doable."

And now he has added insult to injury by refusing to claim his role.

[Almost50]

A50 why do you think italiano is scum over jester?

If he's Jester we still need to ship him out. Jester is never going to side by town.

[Almost50]

Only brighteningskies & Italiano claimed NC.

If we claimed non-corrupt then what’s the problem?

That was a typo and you know it. Only you and brighteningskies claimed CORRUPT

[Almost50]

A-1: 7-3-1 >> 5-3-1 >> 3-3-1 GAME OVER
A-2: 7-3-1 >> 6-3-0 >> 4-3-0 E-Lo
B: 8-3-0 >> 6-3-0 >> 4-3-0 E-Lo
C: 8-2-1 >> 6-2-1 >> 4-2-1 >> 3-2-0 E-Lo
D: 9-2-0 >> 7-2-0 >> 5-2-0 >> 3-2-0 E-Lo

These are all possible scenarios (T-W-3P). I so not believe the top 1 is at all likely, but I considered both eliminating the Jester and not.
B & X are more likely now (depending on whether Italiano is Scum or Jester). eliminating him today ensures we don't lose before D4 (worst case scenario). If we are in D we probably are on auto win if we eliminate Italiano today.

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[Almost50]

Whoops! That was supposed to be "The choice is yours" JPG from SAW!

[Almost50]

this play is tantamount to just claiming jester and saying "kill me please, im gonna make your lives difficult otherwise"

jester is a silly role.

Don't discount the possibility that it's a Wolf who got trapped by the C/NC strategy and decided to pretend to be a Jester, so we don't eliminate him.

IF we let him live today I strongly recommend the Clairvoyant checks him tonight (Corrupt = Scum, Not Corrupt = Jester).

HOWEVER, I don't see why we should run anyone else and risk outing an important TPR. We have a "safe" NON-TOWN elimination. Why skip it?

[Almost50]

L:ike, I understand the emotional side of the argument. "This doesn't deserve to win" because I am as frustrated as anyone. HOWEVER, let's face it. A Jester's job is to annoy people enough so that they do eliminate them by day. He's been playing to his win con IMHO

[Almost50]

Let me think aloud..

Assuming worst case scenario; we are in 7-3-1. We need to eliminate a WOLF or we will lose. Why? because with a miselimination coupled with a NK we would be in a 5-3-1 situation. We cannot afford to eliminate the Jester then, but scum can 9and probably will). They get 2 NKs and win as they reach parity with the town. They could also let us put Italiano on the ballot (tomorrow) and pit him against a townie, so we can choose between going into the night with 5-3 (and them having 2 NKs) or going into the night as 4-3-1 (and them having one NK). Now if we do eliminate the Jester today we would be at 7-3 going into the night (with the Wolves having 2 NKs) which means we are 5-3 tomorrow. Still not an ideal situation and I don't know what to do at this point.

So, do we take our chances and aim for a WOLF today?

[Almost50]

I just said I don't know anymore. I am least impressed by WLC's play so far, and I lowkey suspect Galron for Defector. We do npt need to eliminate the Defector to win though, but it's one less anti-town slot anyway.

Do you have any better suggestions/cases?

[Almost50]

I just said I don't know anymore. I am least impressed by WLC's play so far, and I lowkey suspect Galron for Defector. We do npt need to eliminate the Defector to win though, but it's one less anti-town slot anyway.

Do you have any better suggestions/cases?

why defector over wolf?

I'm non corrupt.

I'll volunteer to be checked.

[Almost50]

I also do not get how Elements thought he had "almost claimed"m but I don't want to pour more oil on the fire. When I re-ISO'd him after we went head-to-head I thought he might be the Witch, because he said this:

I had thought about this, but then surely the wws just kill whoever the clairvoyant targets?
Unless there's a witch who can stop the kills I don't see how that's particularly helpful

And then said:

hmm, yes
in that case i'd like wmc to be copped atm

So I figured he may have thought the chamge in his PoV suggested he was the Witch.

@Elements: Copuld you please clarify what it was that you thought should have given you away as the BARD??

[Almost50]

Do you have any better suggestions/cases?

If we are taking the claimed Jester out of the equation? I could maybe be persuaded to Gal but need to go back and check that again. I still want Elements on ballot. Bard claim is weak at best and 82 is not a convincing crumb. If he wanted to crumb his role he could have done a clear job but that just looks like caught scum trying to use a coincidental post as a crumb.

My next choice after elements and Italiano would be because I really dont like the anti town attitude in 159 and 160. Honestly as long as elements is on ballot I probably will vote there but the ballot phase will be important for confirming that and putting the secondary on the ballot on trial. What's your take when you ISO insomnia? Do you see enough reason to ballot him with some pressure? I feel like putting anyone on ballot is going to reveal heavily AI content from them, and insomnia seems like a good candidate there. I would hate to judge off just one incident and then I'm wrong but balloting him could help us sort him further. It's just so far the limited content is 159 and 160 that is scummy and the rest is NAI to me so ballot seems fair.

I am using my knowledge of Insomnia's play + my knowledge of how Elements is almost always misplaying as TPR to clear them both at this point. I probably wouldn't vote either of them today. Also, Bard is provable. If we do get the public announcement at the start of D2 them Elements is confirmed.

[Almost50]

I'd join assigning slots for Elements as slot 1 and any of the following for slot 2 - Italiano, Gal, insomnia, Fuzzy

I'll veto Elements from that list on the basis he can be confirmed by tomorrow.

If I could avoid placing Inso/Fuzzy on the ballot too I would. If I'm not I'm not too misguided, I'd say it's between WLC/Galron & YOU (Glitch).

My suspicion of Glitch stems from 177 in which he states this:

But with not all roles in the game, and as far as I understood with no reveal upon death, it might be better to wait at first to get some more nights of information.

This is not pro-village. There is no motivation at all for town to try and keep WWs behind the curtain of the C/NC. C/NC is a great way to pressure them and out them without having to reveal

any

town PRs except the corrupt ones, which need to be outed anyway. Advocating not to reveal that information is anti-town. Scum points.

But doesn't follow up. never mentions WLC again, and doesn't include him on the ballot candidacy!

He also is fence-sitting the read on Galron on that same post. Galron has now probably blown his cover, so that is why Glitch decided to include him on his lost of candidates on the ballot, but we know both "main" Wolf team members know the others; including the Defector, so they probably won't vote him off.

I am calling for the Town now to put Glitch and WLC on the ballot, as I am confident enough that's the correct solve. We need to collectively make sure to not vote outside these two, so if the Wolf team all vote someone else we still have one of them at least.

Note that Wolves do NOT have daytalk, so it's gonna be a shot in the dark for them to collectively vote the same person. Add to that the Jester. I am willing to strike a bargain with Italiano here: Join us.. making it possible for us to go 4 on Glitch and 4 on WLC, thus guarateeing both are on the ballot. 6-2-1 tomorrow and we do Galron, thus 5-1-1 on D3, at which point we can eliminate Italiano and have it at 3-1-0 on D4.

P.S. This is your best option, Italiano. Scum won't shoot you because they want to hunt down the TPRs. If you don't accept, then we can still try to eliminate WLC/Glitch is succession to win the game without you.

Please announce your decision ASAP.

@Town: Now who is nomibating WLC and who is nominating Glitch?

[Almost50]

yes, so when you get a non-corrupt result you'll see it was a waste

this is what I thought would've given it away

not really. even now i dont see why that says youre a bard.

you can only see a non corrupt result if there is a bard

You're talking about the PUBLIC announcement. The Clairvoyant still gets the result either way. But I now see what you meant by "2 confirmed townies"

[Almost50]

@T-Swift: Please don't make me second guess my TR on you. bard claim + No CC + morning announcement = Elements is confirmed Bard.

[Almost50]

OK.. let's do this:

1- Put WLC + Glitch on the ballot
2- Eliminate WLC of the two
3- Clairvoyant checks Italiano

Also remember: IF the bard is dead there will be no announcement if the Clairvoyant checked a NON-CORRUPT. However, if the Clairvoyant dies, the announcement of C/NC still is public.

Glitch: Tayl0r Swift
WLC: Almost50

I urge everyone to confirm which they submitted (and urge everyone to submit one of these two precisely, so we can tell if someone lied about their vote)

brighteningskies
Elements
Galron
Glitch (replaces spicer1209)
insomnia*
ItalianoVD
Pine*
TheFuzzylogic99
WeyounsLastClone

[Almost50]

WHAT?? Are we in phase 2 already??

[Almost50]

Galron it is then (that's whom I'm voting and I won't reconsider)

[Almost50]

Galron it is then (that's whom I'm voting and I won't reconsider)

Because you think I'm the traitor or because IVD may be the jester?

Both

[Almost50]

We can make this phase real short.

How?

[Almost50]

so on the one hand im all for voting galron. that slot is scummy as hell. on the other hand, id like people to claim who voted for whom. i dont trust that it was townies who balloted galron and italiano. the scum are a large enough voting bloc that they should be able to get at least one person on the ballot unless town coordinates, which we didnt.

I changed my mind several times. I am certain I did vote each of them at least once. I just don't remember which one I ended up on before the deadline hit. I "think" it was Galron or -maybe- WLC.

@MOD: Would it be possible for one to request that you PM them their own voting history?

[Almost50]

I am also positive the Wolf pack voted the Jester (and will vote him here too). They get TWO KILLs if he is eliminated, so why not?

[Almost50]

I am also positive the Wolf pack voted the Jester (and will vote him here too).

They get TWO KILLs if he is eliminated, so why not?

He he he, you may wanna look at what a Jester does again mate.

Same effect, smart panties. If we cannot eliminate by day that's a double night with double kills.

[Almost50]

I am also positive the Wolf pack voted the Jester (and will vote him here too). They get TWO KILLs if he is eliminated, so why not?

You're confusing it with Wolf Pup.

*Sigh* If you can't eliminate on the following day then it's effectively a double kill night. Two successive night with one kill eavj with no day-elimination in between.

[Almost50]

I'll ask again, if I were provable Town and IVD were provable Jester, which elimination would win us the game?

It depends on your role I guess.

[Almost50]

@Fuzzy: How in the Inbkeeper an important role?? In my PoV; the important roles are those that are Mystic.

[Almost50]

A50
You seem to be missing the point....

to answer your question.... innkeeper/bards allow rown to see the alignment as there is no reveals . Feels important to me. You right though mystics are important and we should be cafeful not to help the wolves by executing them. which was my point

I thought this was brought up before. The Innkeeper/bard are just "public announcers", If they didn't exist the Clairvouyant would still get the results via PM.

As a matter of fact, ONE of the two is

more than enough

. If you don't get an announcement the check was on someone "not to be announced in public", meaning if we only had a Bard the N0 check would not have been announced, which would have meant it was on a CORRUPT player. If we didn't have a Bard but only had an Innkeeper; then the lack of an announcement means the target was NOT CORRUPT.

[Almost50]

Here's where I am: Everybody PLEASE vote Galron (The Wolf team will vote for the Jester and so will he himself). We need at least 4 votes (5 in worst case scenario) to ensure it's Galron we ship out, and that's assuming all other townies will NOT be voting at all.

As for the check, I've come to the conclusion it's sub-optimal to target Galron tonight. He is either Jester or Wolf, thus 100% not town. Let's say he gets confirmed Wolf. So? We still have another wolf to catch. Yes, it's a step forward and all that but we already knew not to trust him.

But what if he is NOT CORRUPT and thus confirmed Jester (which is much much more likely)? We would have confirmed what we had already knew while having wasted a night check.

It's MUCH MUCH better to check someone else to verify whether they're Town or Wolf. Confirming a townie (from the suspect pool) would be great, but catching a Wolf would be even better.

Now let's not forget this: We have a trio of Clairvoyant-Innkeeper-Bard (Bard is not confirmed but will be if the Clairvoyant gets a Not Corrupt result). We only need the Clairvoyant + ONE of the two though. The third is a surplus/backup. Also the Clairvoyant's result will still be announced even if they are the NK of the same night.

I said I suspect Glitch & WLC, so -naturally- that's where I want the check to go. Glitch is a higher priority (to me) because he is more active and "I think" is more cunning if he is Scum. This shouldn't matter if we get a Not Corrupt result (i.e. whichever of them gets checked; if they return NC we just nuke the other IMHO). The problem is if we do get a CORRUPT result, in which case I "thought" it would have been better to know exactly which was being checked in advance.

HOWEVER, having thought it over again; I see that if we do get a Corrupt the Clairvoyant can explicitly claim at this point. They'd get a Wolf booted out and they'd still have a check at hand regardless (reminder: The result gets announced EVEN if the Clairvoyant themselves are NK'd on the same night). But that's assuming Galron is indeed the Defector. If we have a 3 Wolf team with Galron NOT a member, or if we have 2 with not one in Galron/WLC/Glitch then we're probably screwed already, but I would still rather having a plan so we know where we stand rather than having everyone go a random direction of their own.

So..

@Glitch: Do you mind getting checjed tonight by the Clairvoyant? Yes or no, please. No ifs/buts or addendum (You can have that in a separate post if you like, just not in your response to this simple question. Thank you)

@WLC: Same question. Same guidelines of you please.

I'll say this upfront because it really doesn't matter: If both agree then we go for Glitch. If both refuse then it shouldn't matter because .. why the freak would a townie be against being confirmed?

Now if one says yes and the other says no we check the one who AGREED (just in case they're town) and the one that refused is the auto-elim of tomorrow (unless -of course- we get a guilty still on the one that agreed to be checked)

tl;dr: Clairvoyant should be on Glitch unless he refuses to be checked and WLC agrees to be checked.

P.S. Don't forget to vote Galron already, please and thank you.

[Almost50]

@Galron: Your "crumb" was even more scummy of you. Having reread it I got the feeling you were testing the waters to see if the role was available for you to fake claim, while subtly trying to gauge my own reaction to decide if I'm the Clairvoyant or not. It was a smart move (I give you that) but -also- a Scum claim IMHO.

[Almost50]

Eh fine I agree, but I don't think Glitch refusing to be checked should matter think clairvoyant should just check him either way.
I mean why would he refuse and why would we as town care if he refuses?

If he refuses he's claiming scum, so better confirm WLC's alignment and eliminate Glitch either way. That's saving us a check (or more to it: a CYCLE). It's as if we already got a guilty on Glitch and we are checking WLC

[Almost50]

I am trying to gather as much info in as little time as possible for us to have a better chance.

[Almost50]

Why the confusion?

- Glitch is OK with being checked = check Glitch
- Glitch is NOT OL with being checked = Scum claim

I don't see how this could be confusing at all

[Almost50]

I need to go back to the role list and see what Galron is implying.

Let me know what you get from it.

[Almost50]

A50

- do you find Galron townie outside of the Defector theory?

Also, do you think you could read Pine well? What's he this game?

1- No. Galron is scummy to me outside if the Defector theory as well. He has been feigning ignorance form the get go. I also don't ANY game solving before he volunteered to be checked, and

very little

of after that point still.

2- Not well enough, I'm afraid.

[Almost50]

A50

- do you find Galron townie outside of the Defector theory?

Also, do you think you could read Pine well? What's he this game?

Another point ; do you think we should hypo after N1 to protect seer?

Why would we? We have a public announcer mechanic. "If I was Clairvoyant I checked X" only serves to let Scum narrow down the pool.

[Almost50]

As per your other questions, hypoing = giving fake NC/C checks on people, so as to let the clairvoyant give his peeks safely and make it hard for wolves to suspect who the clairvoyant is.

Insomnia: Please read the roles. We do have a Bard claim and we do have an Innkeeper by definition (we did have a Corrupt announcement at the start of the day). Since there's only one NK then at least one of the two is alive tomorrow.

[Almost50]

I am NOT saying anything about the Elements/DK slot's alignment, but it just hit me that if the Clairvoyant check return NOT CORRUPT and there's no morning announcement and the slot is alive then that's a guilty on the slot.

[Almost50]

@Clairvoyant: Please check Glitch so we can be sure whose result it is going to be announced without you having to out. Thank you.

[Almost50]

Everyone said they were ready to go forward, so why the freak is this day not over yet??

[Almost50]

A Corrupt Player has been found

Glitch is today's elimination target. I would strongly suggest ALL TOWN ALIGNED PLAYERS put him on the ballot already. We just need to decide whom the Clairvoyant should check next. I probably need some time to think about this one.

[Almost50]

So if we’ve got two Corrupt players found, that’s probably enough for the Clairvoyant to claim and give results.

Huh??!! We do have the results!! First night we got a Corrupt result and the Clairvoyant didn't say anything about everyone claiming NC except for brighteningskies, which confirms that's where they checked.

Second night we were clear Glitch was the check target, so that's the second Corrupt check (also claimed NC, so confirmed Scum).

The only reason for the Clairvoyant to claim today is if they did NOT check Glitch (which would be shocking). If Glitch was the check then we eliminate him and decide on the next check target.

[Almost50]

All I can say is that I was not the target of the Clairvoyant last night.

If that's the case the Clairvoyant should claim ASAP. If there's no claim then it was on you.

[Almost50]

OK, so let's make use of the time we have until everybody checks in. Who should we check next?

[Almost50]

My vote will probably go to WLC to be the Clairvoyant check tonight.

[Almost50]

A50- why WLC?

I want to sort Italian today.....if possible

WLC is my "next on the list" suspect. I am

against

a check on the OBVIOUS Jester. It's a waste.

But I'll keep track of everyone's preferred check:

A50 -> WLC
Fuzzy -> Italian
skies -> ?
Inso -> ?
Pine -> ?
Swift -> ?
WLC -> ?

[Almost50]

i also did not perform the night kill, nor do i have any knowledge of who did. i dunno why glitch wasnt on the ballot yesterday, and being cryptic today isnt gonna cut it for me tbh. im not gonna vote to end the phase until glitch gives info.

I get the feeling he's trying to oit the Clairvoyant. Y'know.. hint it.. wait.. then claim it to draw a CC

But if he was the Clairvoyant he would have claimed whom he checked already. There's no reason for him to try and "hint" Clairvoyant here because he

has to

out whom he checked, and he didn't.
Also, remember Glitch didn't have a problem being checked yesterday. Clairvoyant sure would have, or would at least have argued for a better target. But this is how he responded when he was asked if it was alright with him to get checked:

@Glitch: Do you mind getting checjed tonight by the Clairvoyant? Yes or no, please. No ifs/buts or addendum (You can have that in a separate post if you like, just not in your response to this simple question. Thank you)

No, I don't mind. I have nothing to hide.

I need to go back to the role list and see what Galron is implying.

So, like I said: Unless the Clairvoyant comes forward and tells us they targeted someone else; Glitch is always the correct elimination here.

[Almost50]

@Fuzzy: I dunno why you still suspect Italian might still be Scum. What Scum claims they have a "special win con" in the same post where they claim Corrupted?? The claim to be Corrupted might have been Scum's way to preemptively dodge a guilty, but that would be CLEVER play; which doesn't exactly go with claiming a special wincon. In short, we are probably @ 6v1 after we boot Glitch (not counting Italian), and with one more check guaranteed. Remeber: Even if Scum do kill the Clairvoyant we learn the result if the player is Corrupt, and we get no announcement if the player in NC. If Scum kill the Innkeeper we still have the Clairvoyant themselves to announce the result if they get a guilty, or to stay silent if the check returns NC. Either way we decide if WLC is town or Scum 100%. Why waste a check on someone we already know is NOT Town?

[Almost50]

if they kill the clairvoyant we will get no info..not sure how you get we will have results if the clairvoyant is dead. If the innkeeper dies we will get NC result if we have a bard which may or not exist,

FFS, read the bloody rules. This has been brought up on D1 as well, and I didn't see you complaining/exclaiming!

5d) If the clairvoyant dies during the night, you will still receive the news of what they checked during that night

[Almost50]

If Clairvoyant dies tonight it means by necessity the Innkeeper is still alive tomorrow, so if the result is CORRUPT it WILL BE ANNOUNCED STILL. If it's not announced then either the Innkeeper is dead 9which means the Clairvoyant is alive) or that the result in NOT CORRUPT.

[Almost50]

I am the clairvoyant.

Are there any frame roles in game or is he trying to get the clairvoyant out?

I am so amazed I saw that coming from a mile away, but I'm even doubly amazed YOU GUYS DON'T READ.

i also did not perform the night kill, nor do i have any knowledge of who did. i dunno why glitch wasnt on the ballot yesterday, and being cryptic today isnt gonna cut it for me tbh. im not gonna vote to end the phase until glitch gives info.

I get the feeling he's trying to oit the Clairvoyant. Y'know.. hint it.. wait.. then claim it to draw a CC

Now can everybody please go read the entirety of my 473 to see that Glitch is caught Scum?? Mainly, the part about him having no problem being checked with no conditions and without trying to suggest an alternative. Compare his reaction to that of Elements.

[Almost50]

Real clairvoyant stay hidden and town, just vote him.

I strongly second this notion.

[Almost50]

why do you think WLC is the best choice over the other players.....to be checked.

*Sigh* It's been quite a while since we last played together that I forgot how annoying your playstyle is.

I am least impressed by WLC's play so far, and I lowkey suspect Galron for Defector.

If I could avoid placing Inso/Fuzzy on the ballot too I would. If I'm not I'm not too misguided, I'd say it's between WLC/Galron & YOU (Glitch).

I said I suspect Glitch & WLC, so -naturally- that's where I want the check to go.

These (and more) are things I said on D1. It turns out that I was correct on Glitch; obviously, so the best place to start would be to read my 247 for the case on WLC

[Almost50]

What do you think, A50?

I wouldn't make much of it for the time being. After all, brighteningskies has accepted the fact that he should be eliminated before EyLo (probably tomorrow if WLC is clear).

[Almost50]

As for em I do TR him, but -as you probably know- I'm inclined to go down the optimal mechanical route whenever possible, and the mechanical correct play is to eliminate brighteningskies if we don't have a scum to eliminate.

[Almost50]

I completely forgot there was a N0 and in doing so have totally failed in creating my own defense.

You're telling me that the MOD PM that told you the result of your slot's check didn't remind you there was N0 for this setup?????

Or are you saying the mod did NOT care to send you the actions of your predecessor??

Also, I guess I myself forgot you were a replace in. This means Spicer SUBMITTED THE ACTION but failed to post in the game after that? Do you realize Spicer's last visit to MS was only 4 hours after the mod had announced he was sending out role PMs, and that his last post on the forum wad this one?

[Almost50]

I have never played a game of mafia quite like this y'all. This is such a different set up and I've gotten completely entangled in my own lie. I have spent all day trying every which way to get out of this but after replacing in, I completely forgot there was a N0 and in doing so have totally failed in creating my own defense.

I knew the only way to get out of my night check coming back as corrupt was to claim clairvoyant and that it was crazy risky. I could have continued trying but the N0 discussion has me 100% caught and it is better that I give no fake info on N0 so as not to incriminate my partner or make a townie look more townie with whatever fake info I would come up with.

Consider this my scum claim. I'll go down with honor. I know there is no way out of this anymore and I'll be confirmed scum when I die since you'll still get clairvoyant results. So it is better for me to scum claim now and no longer provide any reads or opinions because I don't want to benefit the town through y'alls speculation after my death of anything I say from here on.

GG >:)

OMG! I didn't even read the rest of the post when I posted before.

[Almost50]

We're done here. We have your confession.



And with a full confession I see no reason for the hold up.

[Almost50]

By play alone I would say the last Wolf is WLC. If there are two then Pine might be it, but I have seen Pine play the way he is as Town.

[Almost50]

WLC >> WLC = WLC >>>>> WLC is my preference

[Almost50]

Btw, I think this is what has been expressed so far (sorry if I missed something as I quick skimmed just now)

A50 -> WLC
Fuzzy -> Italian
skies -> Fuzzy
WLC -> Fuzzy
Inso -> ?
Pine -> ?
Swift -> ?

[Almost50]

i also said fuzzy but im fine with WLC too. i think we check one of them and then if the result is non-corrupt then we lunch the other.

That is inconclusive

[Almost50]

I meant you didn't conclusively decide on WLC/Fuzzy. Do you vote for WLC or Fuzzy?

[Almost50]

Pine, if you're not Clairvoyant you had better be crumbing Witch or Healer. If not, then I have no idea what you're doing hunting for the Clairvoyant.

[Almost50]

Like, I could see you being one "Healer" and I really can't see you being openwolfing this hard, but I'm not sure how others will perceive your posts

[Almost50]

Depends on whether Pine wants to

explicitly

claim something himself. I got confused by his crumbing I dunno what to make of it.

[Almost50]

why would a mystic crumb a role in yjis way. This is not optimal play flay from a good player like Pine......
I dont think the cop should claim though.....nor should the Innkeeper or bard

Also I find how Pine was complaining about how telling the cop who to check puts PR in danger then ask the cop to claim..... Honestly this is just odd play

I agree to the second part. As for the first part, IF he's a protector he wants to make sure he's on the Clairvoyant tonight, which means the Clairvoyant lives and is able to do another check tomorrow.

Note that we do have an Innkeeper too, so either Scum kill the protector = the Clairvoyant's of tonight is announced AND we are guaranteed to get M3 result either through the Innkeeper or the Clairvoyant themselves.

OR. Scum hit the Innkeeper, and the Clairvoyant is protected still on N4. Either way we get 2 more results.

[Almost50]

I want Italiano peeked.

A50 -> WLC
Swift -> WLC
Fuzzy -> WLC
skies -> Fuzzy
WLC -> Fuzzy
Inso -> Italiano
Pine -> none

[Almost50]

Btw, did anyone try to vote between Glitch/insomnia?? Did it work? Because https://forms.gle/AbfmZtZusSSVeGHb8 isn't opening for me

[Almost50]

I'd like to switch and potentially have Pine checked. I'm not sure about his intentions.

I actually agree

Pine (2): WLC + A50
WLC (2): Swift + Fuzzy
Fuzzy (1): skies
Italiano (1): Inso

No vote: Pine

[Almost50]

no A50 dont fall for WLC's shenanigans!

although lowkey i agree too

But seriously, what's wrong with a check on Pine, and if he's clear we eliminate WLC?

[Almost50]

I'd like to switch and potentially have Pine checked. I'm not sure about his intentions.

I actually agree

Pine (2): WLC + A50
WLC (2): Swift + Fuzzy

Fuzzy (1): skies

Italiano (1): Inso

No vote: Pine

I guess I’ll tie up the score or Fuzzy.

You don't have a say in the matter. This poll is for "potential town players" and you are proven NOT to be Town.

P.S. I may have had a different response if I felt you were finally coming around and being serious. You hinted as much in the post just before this one, but then you posted this.

[Almost50]

Btw, you

really

should've sided by town from the get go. Scum canNOT eliminate you by day (as much they want to). They simply don't have the numbers for it (and if they ever do.. the game would be OVER). Your best shot is still for us to nail Scum ASAP so that we -maybe- consider giving you your win. I am not saying that we will by necessity, but it's still your ONLY theoretical chance.

[Almost50]

am i a potential town player a50?

I did count your vote, didn't I?

Btw, "potential town" doesn't relate to my reads. It's a mechanical term. You are neither guiltied nor have you claimed non-town, so you are potentially a townie by sheer numbers.

[Almost50]

I am being serious. I’ve actually been serious this entire game. Jokes have 50% truth to them. Do an iso and you’ll see where I’m pointing to each and every time.

OK, case Fuzzy for me if you please.

ALSO, if you could be kind enough as to summarize all your reads in one post that would be much appreciated.

[Almost50]

wait is Italian claiming cop....or am I being dense as usual?

Me, as I read that post

[Almost50]

I welcome these questions about my intentions.

I am not hunting the Clairvoyant, I am questioning why, with two Corrupt results, they are not naming and shaming. It is possible it was ManWithNoName, though, but I don't see a clear crumb so shrug.

Sorry, did you think I was crumbing? I am a mystic. I will not be elaborating.

Vote on Glitch sent.

Interesting. Very Interesting indeed.

So you are Mystic, but you ain't the Clairvoyant (or you wouldn't be calling for them to claim), not Witch/Healer (or you would have explicitly claim in order for the Clairvoyant to feel safe to claim), not Medium (or you would have told us if Galron was Corrupt or not), and not Wizard (or you would have had 2 results already and about to have a third, thus could probably pinpoint the Clairvoyant/Innkeeper on your own).

This

certainly

begs for a check in you, mate. In my mind you were trying to hint (but not explicitly claim) that you a re a protector to out the Clairvoyant. Of course, if you

explicitly

claim so you can't kill them for as ling as you are alive, which is why you couldn't double down on it.

ALSO, you realized that the Town predetermining the Clairvoyant's target reduces the chance of them having to claim at all.

Finally, the premise of Cliarvoyant claiming after 2 guilties have been found was already discussed (and thoroughly I might add). We are assuming the first Corrupt result was on brighteningskies (and if it wasn't then the Clairvoyant should have outed already, which they didn't), which means it was in fact a confirmation of skies claimed role.

@Clairvoyant: Please check my above analysis carefully and do check Pine for us, will you? Thanks in advance

[Almost50]

@Town: I request that you all switch your recommendation on the check to Pine, so we know for certain it is Pine who will be targeted by the Clairvoyant tonight, IF Pine is clear, we eliminate WLC.

[Almost50]

Doesn't hurt for the Clairviyant to prove me wrong

[Almost50]

To me it's either Pine or WLC (the last wolf that is) with a very VERY small chance of it being skies (requires such a lucky guess of a fake claim AND of predicting whom the Clairvoyant checked out of the Wolf team to begin with). That combined with the fact we got 2 Corrupt results in the opening 2 nights makes me think skies probably isn't a Wolf.

But anyway, we check you and -if guilty- the game is over. If not we eliminate WLC and the game is over. IF NOT, we probably eliminate skies just to be sure.

[Almost50]

Here's a funny thought: How BRILLIANT would it be if skies was actually

the

Clairvoyant who took the risk to fakeclaim to stay safe from the NK??

Note: I am -of course- kidding, as it would mean he already got 2 legit guilties. I am suggesting though that if theis setup gets run again the Clairvoyant may consider such a bluff if their N0 check hits NOT CORRUPT. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

P-edit: How so?

[Almost50]

@Pine: I view you as a very good player, especially when it comes down to a pure mechanical approach. My suspicion of you stems mainly from this fact.

[Almost50]

@Pine: I view you as a very good player, especially when it comes down to a pure mechanical approach. My suspicion of you stems mainly from this fact.

And my annoyance with your suspicion stems from you only thinking of how you would approach a Mystic role.

I am not though. I am using your own logic here!! You are call8ing for the Clairvoyant (the most important

Mystic

role of all) to claim, but you are claiming Mystic yourself and do not want to claim beyond that?

Unless it's a big-brained maneuver from CLAIRVOYANT-YOU to stay alive I don;t understand what you're doing. yet again, even Clairvoyant-you wouldn't need such an "over the top" maneuver at this time, fully knowing that even if killed your check would still be outed via the Innkeeper.

So let me be more blatant about it: I thought you "may" be crumbing Clairvoyant when you objected to us dictating the check, then I thought you may be a protective when you called out for the Clairvoyant to claim. Then when refused to claim that too, I went back to the table to check what other roles were Mystic and couldn't find one that justifies your play. Om contrary; I found a motive for Scum!You to act the way you do, since confirming a townie (in WLC, assuming you are the remaining Wolf) makes your job almost impossible, since you'd need to kill the Clairvoyant, the Innkeeper, AND WLC, and given we won't eliminate the Jester you are cornered you need to kill the Clairvoyant as a priority to stop the, from confirmimg more people (or returning a guilty on you).

Now IF I'm wrong we lose nothing. You would be confirmed yourself and the Wolf will still be facing the same dilemma explained above.

[Almost50]

Pine (4): WLC + A50 + Fuzzy + Swift
Fuzzy (1): skies
Italiano (1): Inso

WLC/Fuzzy (1): skies

No vote: Pine

[Almost50]

Who's holding the clock? This day should've been over at least 24 hours ago

[Almost50]

So, assuming worst case scenario: Insomnia was the Innkeeper. However, if the Clairvoyant got a guilty they should out. If not then we can assume Pine is Town and move on.

I am undetermined. Should we eliminate WLC or brightening skies today.

[Almost50]

Addendum: Of course; if Inso was Clairvoyant then Pine is clear 100% (just min case Fuzzy asks)

[Almost50]

OK... if there's another living PR (other than the Innkeeper/Clairvoyant) could they please claim?? I did catch Pine's claim as Medium. I am asking of Swift/WLC/Fuzzy to claim if either is -say- Wizard or Healer

[Almost50]

And specifically these two roles.

[Almost50]

Swift: NOT Wizard/Healer
Fuzzy: ??
WLC: ??

[Almost50]

I think with so many checks and lots of potentially corrupt checks, the clairvoyant should probably come out if they're still alive lest we burn someone who's town when we're already running out of townsfolk at this point.

Let's wait for Fuzzy/WLC to confirm/deny being Wizard/Healer

[Almost50]

Insomnia died during the night

OK then, so, INSOMNIA was the Healer & Glitch was a

Wolf Pup

.

I was attacked and healed last night.

Pine is Clear because -obviously- the Innkeeper is still alive.

Give me a little time to figure the plan for today/tonight

[Almost50]

What it means that I was targeted for a kill AND that Inso died is that we killed the Pup yesterday

What we all know now:

Pine is clear (and is Medium as he claimed because there's no reason for Town to lie)
Elements was Bard (as he claimed since he was both checked by Pine and killed by the Wolves)

What >I<

know

: Insomnia was the Healer

This leaves me with:

brighteningskies (Corrupt but claimed Sinner)
Italiano (claimed Jester)
Swift+WLC+Fuzzy (But from each individual's PoV they can switch me with themselves)

From the four of us (Swift+WLC+Fuzzy+A50) there are 2 PRs (Clairvoyant+Innkeeper) and 2 "unknown"

This means if both the Clairvoyant and the Innkeeper claim we can eliminate one of the remaining 2 and get a check on the other.

If the eliminated is the Alpha Wolf we win. If we get a guilty instead then we still win. But what if we get a clear?? This means the Aloha Wolf is either skies or Italiano, and I suspect the town will mess it up (I myself would ALWAYS eliminate skies over Italiano in that scenario)

But what if we eliminate skies today and get a check on one of the "not Clairvoyant or Innkeeper"? If we get a guilty the game is over, and if not we eliminate the other.

I am not sure which is the better move here. Should we eliminate the already admitted Corrupt slot? Or should we go for one of the two unknowns?

I guess it's all the same in the end, but I need confirmation from others (Pine and Swift in particular) just in case I missed something.

P.S. @ Swift: It was clear to the Clairvoyant that the check should go on Pine with 4 votes there as per my last update.

[Almost50]

Insomnia died during the night

OK then, so, INSOMNIA was the Healer & Glitch was a

Wolf Pup

.

I was attacked and healed last night.

Pine is Clear because -obviously- the Innkeeper is still alive.

Give me a little time to figure the plan for today/tonight

this makes sense, except i dont know why insomnia was necessarily the healer

Because nobody else claimed Healer?? You, WLC & Fuzzy all claimed NOT Healer.

[Almost50]

If it were up to me I'd still eliminate WLC today (based on my case from earlier when I wanted him checked). If the game doesn't end we are guaranteed a check result on Fuzzy, and if that is clear we eliminate skies. What do you guys think?

[Almost50]

If it were up to me I'd still eliminate WLC today (based on my case from earlier when I wanted him checked). If the game doesn't end we are guaranteed a check result on Fuzzy, and if that is clear we eliminate skies. What do you guys think?

i think its fine and support it. in that case we dont mass-claim until tomorrow?

Doesn't matter. I'm fine either way

[Almost50]

A50 why did you ask if we are wizard?

To conceal I was asking specifically for the Healer. I had "info" that wasn't readily available to scum (they knew their kill failed, but was it due to Healer, Witch or me drawing Hermit was unknown to them)

[Almost50]

if you are clairvoyant then we should mass-claim because you die anyway. if you arent then maybe we should still mass-claim, because it basically solves the game. but im pretty sure you are the clairvoyant.

If you're "pretty sure" then you don't need my claim.

Yes, I am the Clairvoyant and I did chedck skies on N0 (was the 2md name on the players list with me being the one on the top). I checked Glitch on N1 (obviously) and Pine on N2.

[Almost50]

And I'm pretty sure YOU are the Innkeeper too, btw. It was either you or Inso for me, and Inso obviously was not it.

[Almost50]

Colour me shocked. If that's the case we probably win today. We need for WLC/Fuzzy to claim and we eliminate the other. And IF that fails then I will check you.

[Almost50]

But I seriously doubt you could be scum here AT ALL, so I', like 90% sure we win today.

P.S. And -tbh- I want it to be WLC to satisfy my pride.

[Almost50]

I will hold my vote until the Innkeeper claims though

[Almost50]

No. This is flipless, so you need to connect the dots. There is/was a Healer. That much is confirmed to me. Who is/was it? That's the question. You, WLC, Fuzzy claimed NOT Healer. skies is a claimed Sinner and Italiano is a claimed Jester. Pine is a claimed Medium and I am a claimed Clairvoyant. So, who was the Healer???

[Almost50]

Is this your scum claim, Fuzzy?

[Almost50]

I actually want to eliminate skies!! "Didn't notice" an explicit count (the below quoted one)

Pine (4): WLC + A50 + Fuzzy + Swift
Fuzzy (1): skies
Italiano (1): Inso

WLC/Fuzzy (1): skies

No vote: Pine

+ "How do you know there's a Healer?" after I had explained it in details twice just doesn't add up.

I suggest we eliminate skies today, and I check Swift. If Swift is clear we eliminate WLC tomorrow. I just want to be on the safe side.

[Almost50]

Here's what I meant by "being on the safe side": What IF I did get a Wolf on N0 who had been lucky enough to fake-claim a role that didn't get rolled in the game? And WHAT IF we had THREE Wolves not just two? In this case, we eliminate skies today and I get to check WLC tonight and regardless of whether they kill me or kill Fuzzy the Town still gets the result and can then decide to eliminate WLC (if Corrupt) or Swift (if WLC in Not Corrupt).

I do realize it's a bit of a stretch, but that's what I thought anyway.

[Almost50]

i dont think we go after skies today. i think we go after WLC. im fine with being checked.

I am sorry but I can't take your vote into consideration at this time, seeing as IF we have 3 wolves then you are one 50% of the time

[Almost50]

I have NEVER been a "gut" player. I am ALWAYS a mechanical one. And besides, if you asked me who's scum right now my answer would be: I don't know. Everybody alive looks town enough to me. Someone's been playing exceptionally good.

[Almost50]

Now, from a pure mechanical PoV, you should not have a problem eliminating skies today. A guilty id guaranteed on WLC (assuming you're town) and we have nothing to lose.

[Almost50]

With 7 alive right now we are either @5-1-1 or 4-2-1. We lose nothing if we are 5-1-1 because tomorrow we would be 3-1-1 (if skies is Town) and we will definitely know which of WLC/Swift to eliminate for the win.

My problem is if we are in a 4-2-1 situation, in which case skies is definitely a Wolf AND one of Swift/WLC is also a wolf. Get a miselimination coupled with a NK and we are @2-2-1

So,

mechanically

skies should be the elimination of today regardless

[Almost50]

@RFUZZY: Please put your vote down on skies for now. Do NOT say you're ready to move on yet.

@Pine: We really need to talk in realtime here

[Almost50]

FTR, IF we did start with 3 Wolves it makes perfect sense for one to take the risk and fake claim there. If they're caught (via a CC) they have 2 more to play the game, but -more importantly- ot could have forced me to claim on D1 if the guilty was on someone else

[Almost50]

Looking back at some stuff 9and I will be first to admit it's my paranoia talking now):

can we take the positive confirmation that there was no news from the inn as a sign that the innkeeper is alive?

This doesn't even make any sense. How does "no news" lead to "innkeeper is alive". My guess is Wolf!Swift thought Inso was the CLairvoyant and I was the Innkeeper.

ALSO, both Swift and skies are the ones that questioned the Healer existence more than anyone else. Pine didn't say a word about it. Fuzzy didn't say a wold about it.

I'm prepared to claim now.

P-edit: Good question. I'll get back to you shortly
I am the Medium - Galron and Man With No Name both returned results as Non-Corrupt. I think it highly likely that MWNN was the Clairvoyant, as a lack of result N2 suggests the Clairvoyant was dead - and it wasn't Glitch.

I believe we are dealing with one more wolf. Galron was suspected of being a Defector, so his NC flip doesn't mean much, but Glitch was definitely a wolf (which is why I didn't bother scanning him).

you didnt bother scanning him? who did you scan? you scanned someone the wolves killed? just in case the wolves killed a wolf?

And this here looks like filler to me. It looks like someone who wanted to say something but found nothing to say so they just typed something. Pine already explained why he checked MWNN over the confessed Wolf.

my proposal is to ballot WLC today and then check me tonight.

then tomorrow when i come back non-corrupt we go after fuzzy (if tomorrow is a thing that happens)

And then THIS adds more suspicion in my mind. We had a Clairvoyant AND an Innkeeper. Why would Swift Automatically assume one is already dead? Because if both are alive (as is the case) we can't have both WLC and Fuzzy as "neither".

And the answer -again- is she assumed Inso was the Clairvoyant and I was the Innkeeper

This leads me to think about her

i wish we knew if it were pine or WLC who is clear. or if either of them is clear tbh.

Which now sounds as trying to keep Pine in the elimination pool based on WIFOM, while trying to force the Clairvoyant -if still alive- to claim (to verify whom was checked). In other words, she wanted to make sure if she did get the Clairvoyant in Inso or if it was me.

I suggest if we had only one wolf alive they would have white-flagged already. There is absolutely NO WAY for a lone Wolf to win here. Two is still very much doable though, so that's why I want to go for skies because if we have 2 Wolves then he is one 100% of the time.

[Almost50]

But first, one last note about Swift:

but you also know in your soulgut that im not a wolf

This is AtE and one that is mainly using her "feminine charm" on me. (We can definitely cyber-date after the game is over if you're interested)

[Almost50]

I understand that you can't take my word for it but I'm Town.

Your reasoning about mechanics is sound though so even if you do burn me town hopefully should still win.

Just checking - you didn't seem to mention a scenario though where WLC and Tayl0r are both wolves only if one of them is. Would town still win on a mis-burn on me if they are both wolves?

If so, burn away but if not maaybe reconsider.

Now about this: YES. We still CAN win if there are two wolves and you are not one. I'd rather not discuss how right now so as not to give scum ideas.

HOWEVER, it does NOT look like WLC & Swift could be Scum together at all. I seem to recall Swift wanted to check Fuzzy/WLC and if NOT CORRUPT we eliminate the other, so if she's a Wolf WLC most definitely isn't.

[Almost50]

This is AtE and one that is mainly using her "feminine charm" on me. (We can definitely cyber-date after the game is over if you're interested)

Ok that seems inappropriate and a bit weird of you to say.

Your name is not Tayl0r Swift, is it?

[Almost50]

Also I'm not a "he".

Noted, but I have a bad memory so excuse me if I misremember occasionally. I promise to try harder though.

[Almost50]

OK. I went to ISO Glitch and I am more confident now that a Swift/skies elimination wons us the game. I bolded and magnified relevant text, and I put in my own comments in a different colour.

In short, Glitch (in one single post) shaded Inso, Fuzzy & Elements while defending Swift & skies. I don't even need a check to tell if he had one p it's in this duo, and if he had two partners they are precisey these two,

Reading from beginning. Quoting and responding as I go.

But with not all roles in the game, and as far as I understood with no reveal upon death, it might be better to wait at first to get some more nights of information.

This is not pro-village.

There is no motivation at all for town to try and keep WWs behind the curtain of the C/NC. C/NC is a great way to pressure them and out them without having to reveal

any

town PRs except the corrupt ones, which need to be outed anyway. Advocating not to reveal that information is anti-town. Scum points.

yes, so when you get a non-corrupt result you'll see it was a waste

A non corrupt result is never a waste as it proves you're telling the truth
It's suspicious to me that you're describing it as such. We can't just take at face value you're not a wolf or we're gonna all be gobbled up!

townpoints

If elements is scum,

scum!Skies would not say this

. No reason to call that out when you could just let someone else handle it.

Are you claiming priest or am i missing something?

stop rolefishing.

townpoints for Taylor

, eyebrow raised at fuzzy

town may have an advantage if we keep it quiet and just vote for who we think is scummiest. on the other hand, this is probably really bad since scum can simply rig the ballot by coordinating

Per the ruleset, scum does not have daytalk and their nighttalk is limited to only player names. I wouldn't be too concerned about that.

Swift suggesting scum coordinate right under out noses

Note: From then on they started debating on whether Elements/A50 should be on the ballot, and they ended up killing Elements anyway

I think Italiano vs Elements on ballot would be good. I was leaning towards being favorable of the idea of Elements vs Skies but the more I think through it, it just feels like we're lining up an Elements elim because no one is actually going to vote Skies,

What a GOOD way to justify not having your p on the ballot, while ensuring you either get rid of the TPR you want to kill or have 2 kills at night to take another -hopefully TPR- out.

Glitch ALSO tried to shade Inso here (please refer to the full post for details)

-if he is the sinner then either him or Skies is lying and we need to execute one of them asap

If she's lying she's a great scum player, I have gotten real townie vibes from her the whole game. I'm not feeling her as the pick for the ballot.

I pitch

Elements vs Italiano

as our ballot today

.

[Almost50]

I am a lazy old fart, so I'm not going to ISO Glitch any further. I already got what I needed to.

[Almost50]

@Swift/skies: Which of you submitted the kill on me??

[Almost50]

A50 you had a safe way to win the game and now you want to do something totally different? whats the plan here?

I don't believe anything has changed actually. There is a Clairvoyant and it' me. There is an Innkeeper and it's Fuzzy. Pine is clear because I already checked him. That's 3 guaranteed Townies.

skies could theoretically be the lone wolf still alive (that would be the Alpha Wolf as guaranteed by the rules), but that requires him to have taken a big risk in guessing there isn't a Sinner. Imagine if I had checked Glitch on N0 and then skies claimed Sinner and was CC'd. The game would have been over by now.

Also theoretically Italiano could be a crazy wolf who decided to go for a Jester gambit, but Glitch wanted him on the ballot so desperately I just can't see it.

So, while both are theoretically valid the chances are slim of it being the actual case.

So, it's you or WLC.

But what if we have TWO wolves alive? You and WLC are definitely not scum together. You suggested one to be eliminated and the other to be checked. So.. if we have 2 living wolves it's one of you (Swift/WLC) + one of skies/Italiano.

You claimed and unprovable role, and so did WLC (after the fact).

Wolves can't kill both Fuzzy & myself anymore (as the Pup was already eliminated and they got their 2 kills in the dame night last night), thus we are guaranteed one more check result on you/WLC (the one we don't eliminate today). It doesn't matter which one of you two we ship out today. Note that Pine can also check if the dead person was Corrupt or not, so assuming the worst (i.e. both you and WLC are town and skies is the Alpha Wolf) we will still know that tomorrow. Hell, even if the impossible is real and we have two living wolves in skies and Italiano, we would be at 3-2 tomorrow with a clear on WLC/You and auto elimination of skies, and -following that crazy assumption) the game will continue so the last 2 townies know to eliminate Italiano.

Scum's best kill tonight is me, but the town will still learn if the surviving one of you/WLC is corrupt or not, so even if you are town we still win this.

[Almost50]

Going for swift as well (and I ask Fuzzy to do the same so we can guarantee she's on the ballot)

[Almost50]

I've just thought of an even more crazy scenario where Swift is a Defector (which explains why she wanted to be checked). That means if we went with her plan to eliminate WLC and check her, and assuming skies is her p that we would be @2-2-1 tomorrow and with Italiano wanting to be eliminated they'd be guaranteed to win.

But anyway..

@Pine: Why Swift over skies today? I -personally- do not recall WLC suggesting we off Swift and check him, but -as it stands- it still could be the case that HE is the Defector and with skies the Alpha Wolf. I feel it's safer to eliminate skies today and check WLC and -if clear- we eliminate Swift tomorrow. That was we are guaranteed not to make the wrong choice between WLC/Swift regardless.

[Almost50]

Alright:

I urge every town-aligned player to

vote skies

for the ballot.

I shall take full responsibility for this decision.

Reason: I gave just realized

even Pine

could theoretically be Defector. In fact, if he is then him fake claiming was a PERFECT move, as -if CC'd- he would have been the elimination, thus giving skies a chance to get a miselimination on

at least one

id WLC/Swift (note that he claimed well before I did, so he probably thought either the Innkeeper or the Clairvoyant died already).

I am not positive Pine is a Defector, but I am positive skies is the right elimination of the day, as IF either Pine/Swift is scum they're definitely Defector. If it's WLC I will be checking him tonight.

So, I repeat:

Please put skies on the ballot if you are town

.

Thank you

[Almost50]

Also please confirm in-thread when you have voted skies. Thank you very much.

[Almost50]

BECAUSE IF PINE IS DEFECTOR AND SKIES IS ALPHA WE BLOODY LOSE!! STOPS ASKING ALREADY ANSWERED QUESTIONS, DAMN IT! If I didn't see my post right above yours I would have thought I "dreamt" of posting my explanation. But it's right there.

Also I explicitly explained if Swift is scum she is definitely DEFECTOR, and we don't even need to eliminate the Defector to win.

Swift has been demanding a check on herself since the previous gameday. She can't be corrupt if she is so admant to be checked.

Please just do as I say and ask later.

[Almost50]

we execute either TS or WLC
Check the remainer

- if guilty- kill
-if innocent- ballot Bright

can you explain why your plan is better then mine...

*Sigh* I just explained in 756 that Pine could theoretically be Defector with skies Alpha. Do you speak English?

[Almost50]

Sorry kinda distracted today......

Except Pine as scum makes zero sense..... A medium makes perfect sense given the set up. Second there was no cc. I highly doubt Pine is scum, You have talked yourself into a situration that is highly unlikely.
If we lose you can put it on me and never play with me again.

Both Monk and farmer are the best place for scum to hide. Anyways you put us in this situration. If you claimed tommorow we would of had one extra check. Bright being scum is possible. Balloting TS and WLC is the best move. If there was two scum tommorow would be KSOL

we have three good option
Taylor
WLC
Skies

if we dont find scum today or tonight then killing Skies tommorow is the only move we have. Even if Pine is somehow scum we will win .

Buzzwords.. buzzwords..meaningless buzzwords. Would you be so kind as to explain why Medium makes "perfect sense" here as opposed to -say- another Farmer? You think it makes more sense for town to have a Clairvoyant. an Innkeeper, a Bard AND a Medium? All on top of a Healer??

Next up: How would me holding my claim till tomorrow have given us an extra check?? How will you force your imaginary win if Pine+skies are scum?? 4-2-1 now >>> 3-2-1 with the wrong elimination >>> 2-2-1 tomorrow. I BLOODY EVEN EXPLAINED THAT TWO ALREADY.

Finally, how do you propose we decide between WLC/Swift today anyway? By a dice roll or a coin flip??


And I really don't care how unlikely it is. You have not provided a valid argument for why it is better to go your way, nor even why it's "all the same". You say it's highly unlikely? Fine. It's a 1% probability. That's 1% more probability we win ON TOP of whatever you estimate your way to work. Why go your way? just because you want to have a say in it? Just because you want to pretend like you did something??

And WHY are Monk/Farmer the best place for scum to hide? No wonder your handle is Fuzzylogic, because nothing you say makes any sense. You just talk for the sake of talking, argue for the sake of argument, and object for the sake of objection. But do you EVER provide an argument? No. Absolutely not.

[Almost50]

we kill Swift today. check WLC tonight. If WLC come off as NC we kill Skies tomorrow.

The last scum (s) are between WLC , Taylor and maybe Skies.

If we don't kill skies today I'm checking YOU tonight.

[Almost50]

The wolf is probably Tayl0r Swift and you're too busy trying to flirt with her to want to vote for her. Just saying..

if im a wolf im probably a defector, right (so you dont need to kill me to win if im a wolf)? so we kill WLC, if that doesnt end the game we investigate fuzzy, if thats innocent we kill myself and brighteningskies and its a free win.

Yes. If we kill an innocent villager we chyeck the Innkeeper. Makes perfect sense to me!

I am still adamant to boot off skies. (And part of it is I enjoy being a dick)

It costs $0 to just not be a dick.

I am accustomed to paying for my needs. If I follow your advice I'd be a dickless parasite.

And as far a "overthinking it" goes, this IS how this game is played. I you don't like it, there's a whole lot of space on the roulette tables for you.

[Almost50]

Why on earth are you suddenly thinking Pine is bad when before you were sure it was just between me, Swift and WLC?? I really think you're overthinking it at this point.

Why on Earth are you suddenly against your own elimination when before you have been all for it?? I really think you're overscumming it at this point.

[Almost50]

We certainly

can

win (and actually

will

) win if we vote out skies today. I will decide whom I will check between you (WLC) and Taylor, and if I get a guilty that would be it. If not we eliminate the other. Pine is NOT the Alpha Wolf. Myself and Fuzzy are mechanically confirmed. Italiano is the Jester. We have 2 eliminations at hand (today and tomorrow) and we have 3 suspects, one of which could be cleared tonight. So, ny logic is to eliminate the ine player

we know

is Corrupt (as the Alpha Wolf is definitely Corrupt) and check in the other two 9and that's IF the game doesn't end today, because IF skies is the Alpja WOlf the game is already over with him gone)

[Almost50]

I have voted skies. Do as you wish. This is what happens when everyone wants to do their own thing. FIVE elimination candidates, including the bloody Innkeeper!!!!

I will check WLC

if the game isn't over after a skies elimination. If skies isn't the elimination today, someone else may decide whom to check.

[Almost50]

@akies: Seriously, if you are Town, please vote yourself. It won't matter if you are town indeed.

[Almost50]

Although I am POSITIVE by now skies is NOT Town. If he was, then the Alpha Wolf is either Swift or WLC, which means Town has won 100% regardless (as the original proposed plan was to kill one and check the other) and in that case they would have surrendered already.

[Almost50]

There are three ways to ultimate failure:
The first is to be a fool.
The second is to be a stubborn fool.
The third is to be a bloody stubborn fool.
(ME)

[Almost50]

Here's the situation now, in a nutshell: If Pine is town he needs to vote skies. Either that or we will have a no elimination and we are guaranteed to lose.

If he is Defector we have already lost, because he certainly won't be voting skies, meaning we still get no elimination today.

But what if we do NOT have a Defector and we Just have the Alpha Wolf alive? No elimination doesn't end the game in this case, but I will die overnight and you guys will be @4-1-1 tomorrow. But STILL, since everyone wants to leave their brain out and play without, you guys will still attempt to eliminate the one "not cleared" between WLC/Swift to ensure we lose the game.

Just out of curiosity, I'd like to know who voted whom to be on the ballot.

[Almost50]

i think my vote is on WLC

And people get upset when I get angry. YOU DO NOT HAVE A BLOODY VOTE. YOU ARE ON THE BALLOT YOURSELF! ONLY I AND PINE CAN VOTE NOW.

[Almost50]

IF (a) skies is eliminated, and (b) the game doesn't end: I will check WLC

IF No Elimination: I will check Italiano

[Almost50]

Personally I am

[Almost50]

HATS OFF. THANK YOU, FUZZY. I never doubted you for a second (I am also a compulsive liar)

Thanks for modding, CM. GREAT setup.

GG to Scum too. @Italiano: That was

almost

perfect , but not quite, and you made a BIG mistake on the day before last not nomming yourself on the ballot, but it went unnoticed.

Apologies go to everyone I may have brushed on their sensitive nerves (and especially that someone that reported me for something that had nothing to do with them, but that's OK too)

[Almost50]

...I now live in constant fear

Why dud you relocate out from "Nunya"?

[Almost50]

Why am I getting double posts so often?

[Almost50]

I know what munya means. Thanks for missing the joke!

[Almost50]

#AbsentMod here to say this was a cool concept and I hope it can be tweaked now that we've seen how it works in a forum setting!