Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

[bob3141]

VOTE: MDMathVOTE:

Get the ascetic

[bob3141]

VOTE: MDMath

Get the ascetic

[bob3141]

this is surprisingly slow

You sound like you were on a set of starting blocks. While everyone else was busy chatting at the starting line

[bob3141]

Ok starting off if teacher flips town. Then no way does oskuka/Ydrasse have more than one scum in it.

Cant see two scum jumping on teacher pushingr after he had gained a 3rd vote so early. Scum tends not to push town wagons that high early. Let alone two.

[bob3141]

if i didn’t out that one i would have had to sacrifice this one!!! i’m a baby at managing games

also bob is stretching but it’s prob w good intentions

I always stretch. That way you dont pull a muscle.

[bob3141]

could just be an early attempt to look useful

It’s certainly less limiting than saying “x is town”

maybe they’re both town and so its not really limiting at all when one of them flips green

Here’s a limiting read for you: the three of them are not the scumteam!

oh im saying ydr is highly likely to be town. No real read on osuka but if teacher is town. Then osuka is still more likley town than scum.

Its a tell i use that has 80% accuracy rate.

[bob3141]

can you tell me how you are not just basically saying anyone giving reads in rvs is probably town

Same way i pegged all the scum in poe of 5 players in my last game. After repping into my slot only the day before.

[bob3141]

why is ydrasse town? And why is osuka less likely to be town than osuka

I do not understand anything

Pedit: that was aimed at ydrasse not you

The one that breaks the ice is more likely to be town than the one that follows.

Scum have tendancy to wait and seen in rvs. So are less likely to make a fourth vote on town rvs wagon. With 5/6 such votes in my experience being town. And the one scum was very sheepy player.

Now scum will still hesitate to make a 5th vote but that hesitation is not as strong.

[bob3141]

Will be able to catch up more tommorrow.

Doing some now though.

[bob3141]

that has 80% accuracy rate

Ok, is like a truthiness thing or actual data, because I gotta day it sounds hella made up.

All my stats are a little illustrative. I could skim again all the the threads and give you an accurate percentage. 80% is in the right ball park though.


The reason it tends to be a light town tell is was experince as town and when playing scum. I find scum rl day one mostly are some what restrained. While town simply has no restraint what so ever.

[bob3141]

early thoughts:

IV is town
PlusJoy is town
teacher's profile pic scares me
the rising star has huge pockets

first impressions is kerset feel like town

[bob3141]

dont know where that quot came from

[bob3141]

early thoughts:

IV is town
PlusJoy is town
teacher's profile pic scares me
the rising star has huge pockets

first impressions is kerset feel like town

How come? I still feel very neutral there, I don’t think he’s done anything AI thus far

Just general feel at the moment.

[bob3141]

Andres is comign across as similar to his play in his last game. So if he is town based on his meta read than shelly is likely town

[bob3141]

bob is easier to explain: he had a start to the game i liked but then just... dropped out it seems like, presence-wise which baffles me. also i like that post i quoted from ndmath which disarmed my reason to like his opening as much as i did. maybe i just miss him and want him to come back and tell me he's town so i can trust him......

iv in general just... is towny to me? i don't see the scumslips that other people are saying they seeing and instead see an effort to talk to people and solve. the interaction that we had early game set me on the path to tring him and from there i haven't doubted it from his posting.

All about availability. Weds - friday i never have much time due to long work hours.

Saturday i have long work hours but its my last day so dont need to get up early

[bob3141]

Also, @Bob I’m still waiting on your take on plusJOYED.

Well at the moment I simply don't trust his town read on me. Partly because his town read on me is based on my opener. For that i can't tell if he is town over reading what should really at most be slightly town slot (just above null). But instead its top town read.

[bob3141]

also I'm gonna hop off this wagon and onto this one
UNVOTE:
VOTE: taylor

Whats your opinion on kerset. And how does your read on taylor and iV comapre

[bob3141]

Me:
bob (townie god) > shelly > ydrasse > andres > mena > suadade > kerset > teacher > osuka > IV (leaning more townie) >  NDMath > taylor (scum extraordinaire)

[bob3141]

if taylor was lower down that iv. With IV having upward trend. Why not move sooner.

Rather than only movign after kerset got voted up

[bob3141]

mm trying to figure out teh kerset, taylor and iv wagon mech/game state.

Looking at teh first names and my intial thoughts of those on kerset have been town

taylor doesnt feel like scum wagon. Feels like either counter wagon to scum or just a push on town. Rather than push based on a strat.

[bob3141]

Question is the kerset wagon on town or scum. For both cases im leaning on the first 4 votes being town.

If Iv is town then i would expect more pressure on kerset if he was town with him.

[bob3141]

I'm not liking how kerset hasn't gone strongly after anyone so far.


If i remember correctly in an earlier game that i played with him. In which we were both town. He went strongly after me after I pushed scum read on him. Can't exactly remember the order of events but one thing i do remember is that by now he did have some strong reads.

The fact i can't really tell from his iso where he is leaning feels like a red flag.

[bob3141]

Kerset can you tell us what you think of the players that pushing your wagon. Aswell as those pushing taylor

[bob3141]

I'm leaning slightly town on kerset

When did he change from being in the middle of your reads to being town lean?


What do you think of those voting for kerset. We know you scum read taylor but what of the others?

[bob3141]

Also i think kerset is at l-1

[bob3141]

Swift why vote keset up to l-1. What is your reason for scum reading him?

As i cant see any progression of your read there. Only mention is you just askign question that had no sign of follow up. And that was question that had no real opinion on kerset. Just you askign why kerset was where he was on plus's read list.

[bob3141]

Bob, it might be the wine, but Im just not understanding 1133 and 1134 at all. I think you are saying the Kerset wagon has been town driven/dominated? Are you saying Taylor is also town? (I dont get "taylor doesnt feel like scum wagon -- are you talking about the wagon or the target? The remainder seems to be a tr on taylor, so maybe the target, but Im not certain).

The start of the wagon felt town driven and dominated by town.

Not a town read on taylor. I was talking about the movement of wagons at the start of my catch up. very much still in deliberation on teh wagon gamestate

[bob3141]

if town wagon is driven by town. normally scum will either jump on it or have reason to avoid it.

saudade unovte is prety towny. No realy incentive for scum to unvote. If he was partnered with kerset then it makes assocations and if kerset was town he could just wait for bit and see if anyone hammered

[bob3141]

hm yeah this reaction makes me think he is gated

I’m going to try a bit to get it out of him

sorry I’m delirious and talking to myself if you can’t tell

Iv can you explain this.


Was 1518 meant to be in the thread?

As your second comment seems to be you sayign you didnt mean it

[bob3141]

Iv explain why you wanted to out any potential gating?

[bob3141]

it was meant to be in thread

I get like stream of consciousness to an extreme sometimes and only after I posted did I realize it kind of sounded a bit strange

if it was meant to be in the thread why 1519?


Feels self conscious.

[bob3141]

idk, I was just lol!curious and don’t see why he didn’t just fullclaim

What makes you think it wasnt a full claim.

And dont you think outing gating is rather anti town

[bob3141]

oh man what a great D1 for scum

Town!iv “slips” and free elim of an obvtown -_-

Why do you think your obvous town?

[bob3141]

why would I claim VT if I was scum, I’m probably getting eliminated anyway

So you could say that.

And the fact you have said makes it obvous you are very much aware.

[bob3141]

The fact you kept shading kersets meta by mentioning a scum game of his. Where if you look at his scum games he does get involved.

[bob3141]

why would I claim VT if I was scum, I’m probably getting eliminated anyway

So you could say that.

And the fact you have said makes it obvous you are very much aware.

but it still doesn’t make sense for me to claim VT When I literally get eliminated as a VT

The fact your playing on such ate. A Vt doesnt play on such stuff as it is realy bad. If your town you have messed up

[bob3141]

Iv why did you vote kerest over taylor?

[bob3141]

how has every one managed to make 20 pages in less than 24 hours

[bob3141]

I will not be voting kerset. Lynching there is very bad and 100% scummy. If true its a role that will be resolved. No way scum keeps a doc alive for long. As every night he has a chance to block a kill.

[bob3141]

And most of the posts are just spam. You could fit all the posts into 1/10 what has been done and not lose a single word. And then so much fluff and flab

[bob3141]

oh thats just rvs vote. Im prety sure nDMath is town. If he was scum i woudl have expected him to do more

[bob3141]

Scum near always claims a pr when run up day one. Scum dont panic as they have 2 players talking to them in the pt.


Show me where before you have seen scum in the game from day one claim vt. And most importantly show me the ratio between scum claiming vt day one and town claiming vt day one.

In fact the way you’re treating IV and Kerset is almost in direct contradiction to what you wrote here.

One he didnt claim at l-1.

Two straight away he tried to play the scum woudl claim vt card.

Third there was no pr claim preceding it.


Odds of running two town pr in row are low. Best odds in that situation is alwasy to claim vt. Hard bit is determining which.

Also look at my last scum game. My partner claimed vt. See how involved i was in saving him

[bob3141]

I want to determine if VI is scum or not as teh game state in teh wagons point to him as scum. And kerset as town

[bob3141]

why would I claim VT if I was scum, I’m probably getting eliminated anyway

So you could say that.

And the fact you have said makes it obvous you are very much aware.

Bob, this conflicts directly with what you said in #1296 of Mini Normal 2157, where you bashed me directly for doubting a VT Claim near death D1. Why should I not Scum Read this?

The slot you were pushing was the townies slot in the game. Why i repped into him.

I dont like repping into scum games so i read teh slot before joining

[bob3141]

why would I claim VT if I was scum, I’m probably getting eliminated anyway

So you could say that.

And the fact you have said makes it obvous you are very much aware.

Bob, this conflicts directly with what you said in #1296 of Mini Normal 2157, where you bashed me directly for doubting a VT Claim near death D1. Why should I not Scum Read this?

The slot you were pushing was the townies slot in the game. Why i repped into him.

I dont like repping into scum games so i read teh slot before joining

[bob3141]

And teh big thing andre do you see me voting village. Still nlot sure if kerset was his counter wagon or if he was simply a run off wagon from kerset

[bob3141]

one thing for sure is i doubt village/plus is ever s/s. Either its tvt or s/t

[bob3141]

i am *alright* with a kerset lim but at the same time I'm afraid they are actually doctor

Gated doc in a game that lasts at most 5 nights = pretty weak Pr.

We have two anti-town town roles claimed, implying that town must have some decently strong PRs including some kind of investigative (Miller)

If town has two strong PRa plus gated doc (the kind of power that would justify two antitown roles), then scum likely has at least gated rolestopper.

Given suspicions of Kerset, scum do not shoot but instead block (at least when town reads become sufficiently common that they are worried about overlap).

This is why I think town has to resolve the Kerset slot. I don’t think scum does it for us. And I don’t think waiting for later makes it easier to eliminate a claimed PR.

If ever scum roleblocker type role flips. Teachs scum equity goes up.

Why go straight to roleblocker. Why discount scum hvaing tracker/ rolecop type roles

[bob3141]

Question im pondering over. Is that there was 2 other wagons tied with kerset before it got a head. Why did all of it go to IV. Where is swifts wagon.

[bob3141]

I feel like a teacher vote

VOTE: teacher

Lets see if teh wagons stay stale

[bob3141]

kerset this is not a spamming contest and this makes me want to lim you even more

you're -10 on my radar

This game clearly is a spamming contest. Players should be restricting themselves to 10ish posts a day. Not this spam that your as guilty of as 6 other players.


Look at everyone of my posts there either a read, pushign a read or inquiring about something

[bob3141]

Scum near always claims a pr when run up day one. Scum dont panic as they have 2 players talking to them in the pt.


Show me where before you have seen scum in the game from day one claim vt. And most importantly show me the ratio between scum claiming vt day one and town claiming vt day one.

In fact the way you’re treating IV and Kerset is almost in direct contradiction to what you wrote here.

One he didnt claim at l-1.

Two straight away he tried to play the scum woudl claim vt card.

Third there was no pr claim preceding it.


Odds of running two town pr in row are low. Best odds in that situation is alwasy to claim vt. Hard bit is determining which.

Also look at my last scum game. My partner claimed vt. See how involved i was in saving him

Why is it at all important that IV did not claim at L-1? In the context of you saying that Scum almost never claim VT D1? And you literally made fun of me for saying that claiming Doctor could present complications later in the game. And there weren’t any PR Claims preceding your argument about Snowblaze in that game, since the PR’s that game were Tracker and Mason, and no Mason was run up early. Your 1 and 3 are like obvious nonsense. I can maybe see 2, but I’m still feeling like you’re very much stretching to defend your stances.

I never made fun of you in that game. Apart from your read on me/snow i thought your reads were good. Just thought you had a terrible case of death tunneling that game. Why day two i thought my lynch was good day two as it would stop blinding the players. To the obvous 3 scum players. ok i did get irritated in the dead thread about testa lynch but you were not involved in that mess.


You prove my case. No claimed pr before snow as i said in point 3. And if you Time of the claim changes the dynamic.

Was it byou that called me doing gamestate analysis on teh wagons day one was nonesense. As i know another player other than scum baltar was pushign thta. And it turned out to be on teh money

[bob3141]

Andre you missing the biggest factor i knew snow was tellign teh truth. By virtue of being his slot.

Do you realy think i would question a VT claim. The vote counts point to two pissibilities that either one of kerset/shelly/IV is scum or that there all town

[bob3141]

wouldnt not would

[bob3141]

Hey i should actually be like teacher. YOU CAN'T SAY THAT MY ISO HAS NO CONTENT UNTIL YOU GIVE ME QUOTES.

Misrep. I said tell me what a lot I haven’t taken a stance on. You still haven’t. It’s not quote me, it’s say it. And then I would find the quote to prove you wrong. I’d gladly stack your iso next to mine any day to weigh content.

Thats gaslighting. If im using the term right


Teacher show us all of kersets content? What are his stances and where were his pushes?

[bob3141]

Your sayign he hasnt got much so show us what he has done and anyone can search his iso to see if your leavign stuff out

[bob3141]

i am *alright* with a kerset lim but at the same time I'm afraid they are actually doctor

Gated doc in a game that lasts at most 5 nights = pretty weak Pr.

We have two anti-town town roles claimed, implying that town must have some decently strong PRs including some kind of investigative (Miller)

If town has two strong PRa plus gated doc (the kind of power that would justify two antitown roles), then scum likely has at least gated rolestopper.

Given suspicions of Kerset, scum do not shoot but instead block (at least when town reads become sufficiently common that they are worried about overlap).

This is why I think town has to resolve the Kerset slot. I don’t think scum does it for us. And I don’t think waiting for later makes it easier to eliminate a claimed PR.

If ever scum roleblocker type role flips. Teachs scum equity goes up.

Why go straight to roleblocker. Why discount scum hvaing tracker/ rolecop type roles

Here — bob catches my info crumb on rolestopper, prospectively shades me if one flips (and I know one exists), and still doesn’t correct the role stop/roleblock error. This troubled me a bit at the time and now that I outted my info I can say why.

I highly doubt your role is legit.

Your claiming a role that would never get night killed. A weak role at that, even weaker than VC.

See menals hosted game i think were PP claimed informed bg. Scum claimed to be bg and that they were informed of a strongman role. He was just a strongman.

If you were however unlikely a informed townie. You wouldnt of outed yourself as you would want to eat a night kill.

[bob3141]

life will be so much easier with kerset gone

Force scum to kill him by not lynchign him.


Even if you think kerset is scum then there is still 2 other players that could be scum. As we are not lynching a claimed strong pr day one. When we can better resolve his slot after more players have flipped. When we can better guage town power.

[bob3141]

The idea is to try and get them too. every day they risk him blocking a kill. And any action used on him is an action not used on another town pr that could get results.

Come l-1 it will be clear if a scum kerset leaves a hole in town power or that there is to much claimed town pr

[bob3141]

in prior game that town lost. It happened when the town watcher tunnel on the town babysitter. When either role would have left a big hole in town power. And scum had been after that slot all game.

So kerset simply isnt a day one lynch. There are 3 scum alive so even if im wrong on kerset. That still means tehre is two scum to send to chopping block

[bob3141]

catching up now

[bob3141]

I’ll catch up later this game is getting out of hand haha

@Bob, understood that you repped into a slot that I was attacking and had claimed VT, and you had the inside knowledge that the claim was legitimate. I get that. All I’m saying is that you are clearly not applying the identical logic to IV’s claim. Now, I do agree that if the person is aware that such a claim might be a silly one to make as Scum on D1 because it doesn’t advance the Team, and makes that statement out loud, it blunts the impact of the claim. That’s fair. However, it’s not just that. You are also defending the only PR claim under pressure in the game (from Kerset). Again, I am ALSO inclined not to want to execute a claimed un-CC’ed Doctor. So it’s not like I think you aren’t making any sense. But you are going against your previously stated logic (when I know you were Town), and so I would have hoped for some sort of more convincing explanation.

I also have very much been feeling that until you’ve been put under pressure, you have been sitting on the sidelines and avoiding putting your foot down. So I definitely wanted to see more. I will have to re-read and make up my mind, but it did raise a red flag for example that you were still carrying your RVS vote.

Its impossible to pressure me. Although always worthwhile to ge me engaged. Scum me is engaged from the start but town me can be bit unengaged at times. The fact you think im sitting on sidelines is very towny tell for me. Just look at my scum meta and any one can tell this is not scum me. I put loads of effort in as scum to give town a fun game.


Not going against my logic as before village came out with that he would never claim VT as scum. I was leaning towards him as town. It was that bit of self awareness that undermined that aspect of my read on him. In your game i only used that logic as it wasnt me that made the VT claim. IF i had been in that slot from game start i would claim vt. And would keep quiet about the fact that most vt day one turn out town. Just looks bad.


It's the simple fact that most games town mostly lynches town day one. Oh and I wasn't being fully honest that game. I had just finished a scum game where my buddy claimed VT day one. When he made it before checking the pt.

I may be guilty of trying to get the same read success that i did last game

[bob3141]

So kerset simply isnt a day one lynch. There are 3 scum alive so even if im wrong on kerset. That still means tehre is two scum to send to chopping block

this is weird

don't you want to get scum? "oh limming one scum means we have two more to go"

yeah wtf?
I think bob is so weird and almost a VI that he has to be town. I just cannot fathom scum!bob playing like he is.

what do you mean by VI?

Saude aint getting kerset. Even if he think he is scum and i think he is wrong. There simply aint the votes for kerset lynch

So him wanting only a kerset lynch will make a town lynch more likely. As it pushs us in practice to lylo-2 and not lylo-3. Its called a dead vote.

[bob3141]

@Menalque, @Ydrasse I want us to agree on a course of action. Menalque is obviously on Osuka, but I don’t know that this one gets through, and I do have a Negative Lena there, but I also want to re-read.
@IV I want some thoughts on what you would be willing to vote here. I see you very scattered and defensive (particularly after your “slip”, but I have been liking your takes so I want to see more of them). I know you said you wouldn’t post much until Wednesday, and you needed a break - all I want is a small list of players you would vote. That’s all.

I have a good sense of what some other players want to do. Saudade is almost death tunneling Kerset (but would also clearly vote for Osuka), and Bob is on Teacher (and defending Kerset given their Claim). Kerset is tunneling Teacher almost, after somewhat tunneling me. plusJOYED’s 2325 makes it pretty clear where they would vote, which also includes Teacher.

@Kerset, how do you feel about my slot now?
@Tayl0r where are you? You seem to be vibing with plus after SR’ing there, which I don’t have any major objections to actually I’m still trying to figure out what to make of plus. Your vote is still on IV, and you appear to also be willing to vote Osuka. How do you feel about Teacher/Bob?

Nobody has taken me up on answering whether crumbing Doctor makes sense. Can somebody seriously comment on that?

Ive crumbed roles as town before if i was worried about being lynched. Some roles you crumb results. Crumbed jailkeeper ones athough dont crumb as much now. as scum spotted it straight away

On claim alone kerset could be scum. As it is the sort of fake claim you would do to out a doc/jailkeeper ect.
And at the same time doc is common town role.

My setup spec isnt 100% but i think its on par with tracker. That i rate as one point if ungated with town usualy getting 3.5 points with scum 0.5. Very rough estimate that gets with reason of balance always a bit give or take.

[bob3141]

I don't get why people don't consider the idea of mena vs osuka being TvT

Because the points made by Menalque against Osuka are almost too aggressive to be coming from Town should Osuka flip Town. It’s the tone and content of the accusations. For a D1, it’s almost too extreme. At the same time, it’s mighty aggressive for Scum to be doing this too! So I don’t think it’s like absurd.

Menal does have some meta with such pushes as scum. One thing for sure it inst s/s

[bob3141]

If menal wants a lynch as scum he isnt afraid to push hard.

[bob3141]

Though the fact that menal isn't pushing me leans towards him being town. I know last time he was scum he pushed me hard day one even if he got no real traction from town.And my wagon got to four votes this game. So would have been an easy push for him to switch too.

[bob3141]

At the moment I hate all the main lynches


I think osuka vs menal is town v town.
I feel players are making many associations based on village. A village lynch at the moment im feeling would be no more than damage limitation. A slot that has some chance to flip scum and isnt going to end up with miskill of a town pr or outing of one.
kersets a claimed doc.

[bob3141]

Out of village an osuka i would prob pick village.


Osuka just feels like what ive seen from in his other town games. He strikes me as someone who easily gets into these tvt fights

[bob3141]

I did a brief metadive on osuka and tried to find a scum game... all were from like 2018 and he was completely different there

But he was also kind of different in his old town games too

only town.

Osuka as town tends to respond to any scum read of him as if it was stupid. Even if it's reasonable. Which gives the impression to those pushing him that he is doing ate. Which is what I think has snagged menal.

[bob3141]

Thats what making it hard

Im going to find soem i think is scum and pick the players based on their reads

[bob3141]

someone

[bob3141]

everyway i look at it. I just like the wagon composition on osuka better. If the scum team is on it then im prob pocketed

I hope I've not gone from one game with amazing reads to another will terrible reads

[bob3141]

Being able to find scum in one game does not necessarily mean you are able to in another

frequently I get a big head after a game I played well/nailed scum/right on all my townreads

then later I have another shit game where I massively fail a read or I just have no fucking idea

a lot of it is simply luck despite what we would like to believe

tis not luck

:goes to shake magic 8 ball

It says Reply hazy, try again


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[bob3141]

Nd math, that’s a pretty narrow post to reenter with. What would you say is your availability generally? What are your own takes? Etc.

I spent more time on that post than the others, doesn't show because I couldn't come to a conclusion on kerset and gave up.
My top townread is IV because I understand his thought process and like his interactions with others.
osuka is being over-townread if that's a term but I'm not convinced that's scum driven.
shelly's iso is much townier than I expected it to be.
Mena's 410 stands out because of its similarities with 333.

Question is the kerset wagon on town or scum. For both cases im leaning on the first 4 votes being town.

If Iv is town then i would expect more pressure on kerset if he was town with him.

Teacher asked a variation of this, but are you saying that if kerset flips town you expect the people who pushed kerset to also be town?

VOTE: NDMath
Coming in once a morning with a narrow post is not acceptable to me. I need to see you actually interact and play.

okay

Why does rolestopper flip prove you as town? rolestopper doesn't mean assured ascetic claim

I said some town points if I'm proven not targetable after mafia rolestopper dies.
Threw it out there because it was asked what the implications were on my alignment.

tbh the warring / division isn't helping; we should post our lynchpools

Same as teacher:
Bob>IV>Osuka to get an elim through.
Scumteam I'm slightly leaning towards is first two with Mena. Mena + IV had the 'determine kerset's gate' idea at the same time and Mena's defense of IV seemed quite out there. Both slots specifically Mena ignored Bob but encouraged the status quo of Bob being townie / not an elim target.

I'm not cherrypicking. I'm describing how the majority of your posts look like and they are devoid of content

The post you quoted kerset was swinging their first at the air, while most of them have some intent or question.

Math can you go over how osuka Village went from atop town read to below osuka. A player backing in the 1100 you said was being over townread

[bob3141]

has he changed his claim to being informed abour a rolestopper.

If he just claims to have got mixed up with rolestopper/roleblocker. Ive seen that as town and scum

[bob3141]

wait, so you think he did mix the two up? But why doesn’t scum!teacher say he was informed about a scum!roleblocker which is what he had in mind when he actually said rolestopper?

Looking in his past scum pt


Last scum game his team had a rolestopper. So doubt he wouldnt know the difference


looking at his scum games he set up fake crumbs early. And claims to play scum as if he doesnt know his alignment

[bob3141]

rolestopper

this feels very fake. looks like dumb tell.

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:

Oh boy. Should have looked up rolestopper.

[bob3141]

k he was roleblocker but would still think

[bob3141]

So i dont real think a player who knows how roleblocker works. As i cant see him not checking what roleblocker was in that game. As he was SE in newb game

rolestopper and roleblocker are quite different.

[bob3141]

I'll look at plusjoy tomorrow, I agree with plus's logic that if IV is town I want to get it done with since it's gonna be hard to change enough people's minds (mine included) to not elim him later on.

VOTE: innocent villager

L-1

NdMath you does seem like your wagon chasing. Seems to me you have just been supporting what ever is the going wagon. Dont think ive seen you push any wagon that someone else hasnt started all game. You push me then as soon as my wagon goes. You then say your ok with ouska. Osuka wagon breaks up and tehn your all for IV. Your town read disappearing on IV as soon as he is the lead wagon

Why did did you swap to IV from osuka. When frankly IV end of day was prety townie.

[bob3141]

The only reason that any one could give is damage limitation to avoid a flash lynch hitting a town pr. And at the point you swapped your read there was still a few days to deadline

[bob3141]

Andres is town. Come get Bob who is now just straight lying about my own past games.

How am I

newbie 2007. You were a mafia goon partnered with a scum roleblocker. <<< your last game and all of sudden your claiming that scum have rolestopper. Yet got mixed up with roleblocker

Also in post 20 of your pt you claim scum shoudl ignor there start info.


newbie 1991 - in post 4 you talk about keeping crumbs small.


newbie 1983

you say yout effort scum player. that tries to ignor his alignment. In it you talk to your partner about claiming

in post 10 you say you crumbed tracker in your opening post

So i can very easily imagine a scum you forgetting the exact role of your buddy or infact your own role.

[bob3141]

k he was roleblocker but would still think

here i corrected it straight away. How is that lie. When quite quickly i typed a correction that i had wrote the wrong word. In quick fire post during my meta dive of your scum pts.

[bob3141]

Last scum game his team had a rolestopper. So doubt he wouldnt know the difference

This is where you straight up lie about the past games. I have never, ever played with rolestopper. So why should I know what it does?

I have absolutely played with roleblocker, and know what it does. Stopper and blocker have similar meanings outside mafia, yea? So why shouldn’t they be two words that mean the same thing?

you see there is a little thing called a description. Don't you think the first thing any player does is to check.

As you say you know what a roleblocker does. SO you know for sure that the role that you claim scum have is. IS not a roleblocker.

It simply doesn't fly, you not knowing rolestopper does when it takes 10 seconds to search it. Mafiasucm rolstopper in google and what do i find in 10 secs

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Rolestopper


As i said it a dumb tell. Where your just trying to play dumb. When there is no way I can believe that someone who joins newbies as SE doesnt know common roles.

[bob3141]

The only reason that any one could give is damage limitation to avoid a flash lynch hitting a town pr. And at the point you swapped your read there was still a few days to deadline

False, again. The quoted vote was appr 16 hours to deadline. Are you now just trying to get Mena to defend you with the why tell such easily verifiable lies?

Now stop being childish. You know when some is scum, its when all they can come back with is "oh no your lying"


few definitions.

1.
a small number of.
"may I ask a few questions?"
h

2.
used to emphasize how small a number of people or things is.
"he had few friends"


It doesnt matter if day one ends mid day. Its still 1-2 days


He choose to vote IV, He choose not to push for any alternative lynch. He didnt say oh at worst IV is VT. He said oh now i think he is scum. He didnt say im voting to avoid no lynch. Which we were still a fair bit from

[bob3141]

And who would think scum would still be self voting 1-2 days away from deadline. When they could simply vote osuka and claim that although he though osuka had good chance of flipping town. He knows for sure he is town.

Only a yogurt


And it wasnt at the time that the lynch was 100% decided. So again still pleanty of time on the clock

[bob3141]

Instead NDmath does a second U turn and votes IV with conviction. When in reality any townie should hvae views IV as absolutely terrible lynch. That only value is that its not going to hit town pr. Town never happy jumps for such a lynch. They go into it with no confidance that they will hit scum. and that they will heavily regret it. On the other hand scum always try and make excuses.

[bob3141]

On the other hand we had you teacher

A slot that claimed informed towny - informed that scum have rolestopper


A slot that when lynched is no different to vt being lynched if town.

A role claim strains credibility.

At worst it would have given us hard info on what scum do have.

A slot that claims they go into playign scum. As if they didnt know there role.


100 times out of 100 for those facts alone. Was always the better lynch

[bob3141]

why would town need to be informed if scum have a rolestopper.

And informed is more often given to scum than town.

Only time Ive seen an informed townie was when they were a cop. And they were informed that there was doc but not what alignment. As both a warning not to play follow the cop.

[bob3141]

So its error how. what happened to your childish oh no look bob must be lying about DMath.

Trying to avoid talking about Dmath scummy flip flops on the osuka and IV slots.



Deadline on friday. And when all the talk was going on thurdays. I call that few days.


Do you realy expect any player to exactly rember when the deadline was? Past that they were last on thursday and that it would be some time friday.

[bob3141]

You realy are trying hard to spin this.


You go straight away checking exact time of ndmath vote and then triple checking deadline time. When i left for the nigth due to work it was 1 day plus. Not long after dmath votes. Do you real expect anyone to remember the exact number. Other than teh fact they need to be on friday to check

[bob3141]

From Thursday to Friday is one day, at least on my calendar.

Thats also the second time youve called me childish. Fuck off with the name calling. . You said something that was factually untrue. That = lying.

are they two different words ?


saying somethign is childish isnt name calling. Its a description of someone actions. You resorting so quickly to just shouting he is lying is childish. Im not saying you are chidish person. Just the action. And its somethign scum sorts to far more than town.



And this is thing it doesnt change my change my fundamental point that there was plenty of time left. Even if it was as short as 17 hours. I have no idea when the deadline in friday so why are you so quick to cry wolf.

Why so quick to assume that it couldnt be due to last time i saw a vote count with deadline it was 1 day plus. Hence from my perspective in terms of speech it's always going to be 2 days.



The thing is this is all on the back of me pointing out that dmath kept flip flopping. Teacher you seem to be trying real hard to defend him

[bob3141]

When they could simply vote osuka and claim that although he though osuka had good chance of flipping town. He knows for sure he is town.

Only a yogurt


And it wasnt at the time that the lynch was 100% decided. So again still pleanty of time on the clock

Bob can you run me through this pls I’m not sure what you’re saying

Basicly at the point teacher and dmath voted Village. IT couldnt of been more clear that IV was town.

He wasnt even the leading lynch if you took away his self vote. Scum never leaves them selves at risk of being a compromise lynch. If village was scum all he had to do was flip on his osuka read. The worst that woudl have happened is that he would have been lynched anyway.


When osuka was in the lead both there reads where


bob>osuka> IV

when ive was then ahead of ouska with iv self vote

it was

bob > IV > osuka


Kill ouska and you make it harder to lynch IV the next day.


You have yds hammer that could be writen of as avoiding no lynch as at that point he had one choice.

dnmath had 3 and teacher 2. They both choose IV.

[bob3141]

And they both claim to think that im scum. So a self voting IV would rule him out as being partners with me. And my read wasnt one they left.

So teh logical conclusion that town scum reading me would make. Is either im wrong on bob or IV cant be scum with bob.


As why would Iv self vote. Ensuring he is the lynch when he could so easily switch to osuka. But along with bob he is against that lynch. Why would a scum bob/Iv team fight a potential mislynch in favour of scum lynch.

[bob3141]

For anyone scum read me. so far this game has hard meta im town


The fact scum decided to shoot saud, a player that was clear VT. As scum i have massive hit rate when it comes to town pr.

In my last town game i spotted all town pr dayone.

[bob3141]

Basicly at the point teacher and dmath voted Village. IT couldnt of been more clear that IV was town.

He wasnt even the leading lynch if you took away his self vote. Scum never leaves them selves at risk of being a compromise lynch. If village was scum all he had to do was flip on his osuka read. The worst that woudl have happened is that he would have been lynched anyway.

Idk if I agree with this

For one thing, I think IV’s end of day was actually much more ambiguous than his early day which I think was townier and while I’m not familiar with his game playing for towncred (self-voting out of ‘frustration’) is entirely a move scum make if they think they’re safe which /at the time he did it/ i think he could have thought he was — as in, it looked very much like osuka was going through and he could always hammer if osuka got to L-1

point is he didnt take it off when he was no longer safe.

No one would of faulted him for no longer voting a slot that he would see as confirmed town

[bob3141]

And they both claim to think that im scum. So a self voting IV would rule him out as being partners with me. And my read wasnt one they left.

So teh logical conclusion that town scum reading me would make. Is either im wrong on bob or IV cant be scum with bob.


As why would Iv self vote. Ensuring he is the lynch when he could so easily switch to osuka. But along with bob he is against that lynch. Why would a scum bob/Iv team fight a potential mislynch in favour of scum lynch.

If correct:

NDmath and teacher both claim to think bob is scum. So a self-voting IV would rule him out as being partners with bob. And teacher’s and ndmath’s read on bob isn’t the one they left —> what does this mean? Why does self voting IV tule him out as partners with you?

Minus the bit they wouldnt know about my meta.

Basicly at that point if there reads were both real. They would be thinking that bob is scum and Village is town.

If village was scum with me. That would mean that osuka was counter wagon. If that was the case why wouldnt atleast one of us be pushign that wagon. Why would VI push himself closer to lynch with self vote. Its basic wagonomics.

If the wagons are deadlocked but one gets a clear lead when it comes to deadline. That one will always be lynched. So scum will always either be focused on keep the scum wagon down or just hard bussing.

[bob3141]

For anyone scum read me. so far this game has hard meta im town


The fact scum decided to shoot saud, a player that was clear VT. As scum i have massive hit rate when it comes to town pr.

In my last town game i spotted all town pr dayone.

You do always say this, I’ll give you that.

Bacause i always do hit town pr nigth oen as scum. If VT had been hit the odds of me beign scum is realy small.

Especially a slot like saude who was blatant VT. Seriously don't get why scum nked him as it was a pretty bad kill. He might have been a roundly town read player but n1 and n2 is not the time for those kills. N1 and N2 is for town pr. What's the point in killing a roundly townread player if another player could get an extra clear in the game.

A slot that makes no sense from a kerset perspective either. Why kill the lead when you can kill their backing singers. Nor a town kerset as you either use saud to get him lynched or keep his vote as dead weight.


You can tell not only by the lack of town pr that im town but the fact a night kill happened that i would always override. Just look at my scum pt, see how much of it is me. How much i plan interaction with my buddies.

[bob3141]

Although this doesnt rule out a scum team with kerset making a bad nk. The best nk in terms of avoiding a wagon on kerset is always slots like osuka or andre.

With iv flipping town. killing osuka before he can flip back to osuka cuts the vote down by one. The same as saude
Andre again a slot that could be expected to flip there with saude flip.

Thats how you stop wagons forming. The big pushers arnt the issue. kill the backign singers and they cant get anything done. As there be somone shouting for this lynch or that but no one listening. While at the same time their shear posting breaks up teh thread. Makign it easier to ensure town lycnhes always happen

[bob3141]

anyone who thinks i am some sort of deepwolf who would hammer there is a little dumb and needs to do a tiny bit more critical thinking. thank you.

pretty unlikely that your scum. Not impossible but really is little reason for scum to hammer VI there. At that point the wagon was a sure thing. Normally better for scum to go for town cred for not being on the wagon than hammering. As although no lynch is worse for scum than a miss day kill, it’s far worse for town. And a townie would be bound to hammer in the last hour.

[bob3141]

Kerset today you have not realy said so far who you think is scum.

You made a post bashing saude. You have not even claimed who you protected and why. So who then?

[bob3141]

to be honest if i was scum, teacher would have died night 1

I thought his roleclaim was nonsense and it was. You never get informed named townie. What you get is informed cop. I really wanted to ask teacher if he was informed on the rolestoppers alignment. Hope i didnt help out him as cop with my set up spec


Any one have any clue which of his named 5 town was his nigth 1 check.

[bob3141]

Do you realy think as scum i let teacher live past day one.

He claims informed day one. As scum i would know he was legit. And as such would know before i opened my mouth that he was a cop. After all the game i referenced was another of worst games. Rather than thinking that his roleclaimt doesnt fit in the game as town.


As town and scum im very good a spotting pr tells.

[bob3141]

na its hard meta.

Only time you really get lone informed is when the player is scum. Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

As scum i would know he was a pr. So teacher would have died and not saud. Ask andre even as town i spoted all 3 masons day one last game. Game before that spotted all the pr by day 2 and killed teh vig night one.

scum game before that killed a town pr every nigth until i ran out.
Scum game before that spotted neap day one and 2 masons aswell. Spotted back up mason but got his role wrong.
same realy with my town games to.

[bob3141]

Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

incidentally, is this true

this feels incredibly broad but I can't remember enough concrete examples either way

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

[bob3141]

Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

incidentally, is this true

this feels incredibly broad but I can't remember enough concrete examples either way

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

[bob3141]

why is math towny for claim? I think the claim is more or less NAI

rolestopper + ascetic + a checker makes sense as the combo to me, though im not very experienced at setup spec

pedit: I mean around the hammer mainly. Mena tell me something ydrasse did this game /other than the hammer/

pedit: ydrasse but sorry i just realised that I misgendered

check in this game is town. Its meant to work with the cop.

loyal cop targets non rolestopper/ ascetic scum. he doesnt know but a check would know that his result failed due to loyal modifier

[bob3141]

This is just shade on andre. Like why does scum claim such a role

[bob3141]

Vote count 1.16

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

Kerset [5]:

Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Tayl0r Swift, Saudade

Tayl0r Swift [3]:

shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED

NDMath [2]:

bob3141, teacher

innocentvillager [2]:

Kerset, osuka

plusJOYED [1]:

Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ shellyc is V/LA until Wednesday.

flavour

based on current data. only person who alignment is not highly likely town. Is ydr who im leaning town on. 6th vote is then menal


question is did the wagon at this point have any one bussing. will have to reread posts before. if not

shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED - on taylor
osuka - on village
and i know im town.

[bob3141]

Vote count 1.16

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

Kerset [5]:

Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Tayl0r Swift, Saudade

Tayl0r Swift [3]:

shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED

NDMath [2]:

bob3141, teacher

innocentvillager [2]:

Kerset, osuka

plusJOYED [1]:

Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ shellyc is V/LA until Wednesday.

flavour

based on current data. only person who alignment is not highly likely town. Is ydr who im leaning town on. 6th vote is then menal


question is did the wagon at this point have any one bussing. will have to reread posts before. if not

shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED - on taylor
osuka - on village
and i know im town.

[bob3141]

? why do my posts keep double posting

[bob3141]

Vote count 1.13

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

Kerset [5]:

Saudade, osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager

Tayl0r Swift [4]:

shellyc, NDMath, teacher, PlusJOYED

innocentvillager [2]:

Kerset, Tayl0r Swift

NDMath [1]:

bob3141

plusJOYED [1]:

Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ Menalque is V/LA until Monday.
~ PlusJOYED is V/LA until Sunday.
~ shellyc is V/LA until Wednesday.

flavour

earlier wagon

Saudade, osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager

cant see osuka ever returning to osuka

shelly/dmath/plus on taylor at taht point as well

[bob3141]

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

okay but like this doesn't really convince me, even after reading it twice, that it doesn't make sense to just have an informed townie? like it's roughly equivalent to enabler but with more incentive to out the information

like I feel like you're reading a lot into/making a lot of this but idk why it doesn't make sense to just give info to a VT on the assumption that they will out it to the PR thus creating what is basically a named townie which can fit in fine

normaly because from ive seen if a vt realy needs to know something. That means the entire town needs to know because why would one vt matter. In that case teh game simply becomes a semi-open.

Had a game where town were informed about two roles.

[bob3141]

was gordon ramsey game

everyone was informed that gunsmith was town and doctor was scum.

[bob3141]

na its hard meta.

Only time you really get lone informed is when the player is scum. Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

As scum i would know he was a pr. So teacher would have died and not saud. Ask andre even as town i spoted all 3 masons day one last game. Game before that spotted all the pr by day 2 and killed teh vig night one.

scum game before that killed a town pr every nigth until i ran out.
Scum game before that spotted neap day one and 2 masons aswell. Spotted back up mason but got his role wrong.
same realy with my town games to.

Just chiming in to say this is false. I’ve seen informed townie on ms before

I dont see how that has any bearing on this post. maybe others but not this one.

As if im wrong on informed townie being rare and that they wouldnt really given a detail like scum has rolestopper. Then all that changes is that i would have got to the right conclusion on flawed premise. With it my setup spec being occums razor deal.

[bob3141]

@bob lets disregard setup spec. what do you think of osuka?

pedit: (no offense) joyed has a rather weak scumrange tbh, scum!joyed doesn't do anything but meh I'll give you this one since much of the plist was posting a shit ton

good odds of being scum.

The fact he helped run kerset up the first time as an early voter and never returned. Now kerset might have later claimed doc but at that point kerset hadnt claimed. not liking the fact he never returned in the second combo of it. One thing to not join in the first place but to leave when the pressure is high.


Nor once question kerset day two. I thought it was scummy that he had to be asked who he protected. And then dodged the question by claiming novice. An answer which was hammer worthy. So i would expect atleast soem questioning

[bob3141]

I stand by my SOD readslist

except maybe Taylor town if teacher checked them?

it's strongly, strongly implied that teacher checked them

teacher doesn't enter the day like that if he has a redcheck on bob/kerset I don't think, unless he was playing B I G G A L A X Y B R A I N level stuff

and I can't see why else he has Taylor in his top TR list and I think its especially +checked!indicative that he put her name first

andre was claimed miller. So teacher wouldnt check there
out of the other names in his i will never lynch. The only one he didnt say i hope your not deep wolf is taylor.

And its the first name in the list

[bob3141]

1) the wifom argument that bob cant be scum because NKs.
2) if bob is good at PR hunting, bob kills teacher over the claimed and widely townread checker. so despite what bob is saying, NKA implicates bob
3) no scumhunting
4) bad posts
5) low content

That is rather simplistic

1) I just love to tease scum scum on their bad nigth kill choices.

2) Thats just silly. Are you saying any game that a town pr dies Im scum? As that happens most games, just i always hit pr nigth 1 with out fail

3) I already got town block formed. Game ant realy interesting after you know the way to a win.

4) which posts are bad?
5) to be honest ill say half the players in this game post to much. I have a rule never more than 10 post per day average.

[bob3141]

Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

incidentally, is this true

this feels incredibly broad but I can't remember enough concrete examples either way

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

pardon? why would there be a mafia doctor? there's zero indication that we have a vig

bear in mind that sometimes an informed role isn't informed of the existence of a role in the setup, it may be informed of someone else's alignment (though obviously this only applies for a town-aligned informed role)

Those were the examples of all the informed town/scum ive seen in the games ive played on this site. Where i mentioned a how cop had ben informed about a doc minus its alignment. In that case it was due to there being town voyour and no vig/gunsmith.

Yep ive seen one of those (informed alignment townies) when i did sweep though load of setups last year.

[bob3141]

@bob lets disregard setup spec. what do you think of osuka?

pedit: (no offense) joyed has a rather weak scumrange tbh, scum!joyed doesn't do anything but meh I'll give you this one since much of the plist was posting a shit ton

good odds of being scum.

The fact he helped run kerset up the first time as an early voter and never returned. Now kerset might have later claimed doc but at that point kerset hadnt claimed. not liking the fact he never returned in the second combo of it. One thing to not join in the first place but to leave when the pressure is high.


Nor once question kerset day two. I thought it was scummy that he had to be asked who he protected. And then dodged the question by claiming novice. An answer which was hammer worthy. So i would expect atleast soem questioning

why would i set up kerset and then run away? that makes zero sense

if i wanted to set him up, id bus for the towncred. if i wanted to save him, id never have set him up in the first place

Since you have said in 3815 that the vote in 519 wasnt serous and that it simply got caught up in a wagon. What did you think of kerset and his wagon? Both at the time and in light of his flip.

[bob3141]

1) the wifom argument that bob cant be scum because NKs.
2) if bob is good at PR hunting, bob kills teacher over the claimed and widely townread checker. so despite what bob is saying, NKA implicates bob
3) no scumhunting
4) bad posts
5) low content

That is rather simplistic

1) I just love to tease scum scum on their bad nigth kill choices.

2) Thats just silly. Are you saying any game that a town pr dies Im scum? As that happens most games, just i always hit pr nigth 1 with out fail

3) I already got town block formed. Game ant realy interesting after you know the way to a win.

4) which posts are bad?
5) to be honest ill say half the players in this game post to much. I have a rule never more than 10 post per day average.

ok who is in your townbloc and who is scum then? why are the people in your PoE likely scum?

Andre, shelly, you, ydr and menal.

As i see the game is pretty much a town win if we lynch

Plus, osuka and dmath. with mislynch spare for me.


Double checking my town block now.


I was already town reading you but its clear teacher also had clear on you.
Andre actions are just screeming town to me. I very much get the sew saw read of mine from him. (genuine deliberation) plus that claim. Cant see scum first claiming miller day one not knowing about a cop. and then adding checker a role i never seen in practice over so many other potential roles.

Shelly just feels town to me. (my intial read had nothing to do with gamblers falsey )

ydrs done several thing i just dont see scum doing.

menal interaction with osuka felt geuine.

[bob3141]

@Bob, what are the odds that we have a Vengeful Townie this game?

Well its not exactly a claim scum makes as a scum plus would have to be desperate to make it.

[bob3141]

Well its not exactly a claim scum makes. As a scum plus would have to be desperate to make it.

missed the full stop

[bob3141]

I have to be honest, the odds that we have a Vengeful Townie this game are like 1%. It doesn’t fit with an Informed Loyal Cop, a Scum Rolestopper, an Ascetic, and a Miller Town Checker. I think it’s way overpowered (since it’s essentially a Day Vig that negates the Scum Rolestopper, which would be insane in a game with a Cop).

Thats bad set up spec.

miller town checker at most could be consider half medium role. Miller in this case isnt realy an weakness as it confirms the presence of a cop.

So 1/2 role

cops are 1.5 ish. the loyal slighly weakens it as it cant find guilties only clears. Unless a town checker can confirm that teh same player wasnt rolestopped

Ascetic if town is a town negative role. In this case would a be second miller. As a scum role it would be positive power for them but not vs the cop. So not as strong as it would be if the cop didnt have the loyal modifier.


vengful is an awful claim to make as scum. so unless we have lots of counter town power then plus is town

[bob3141]

I would expect us to have atleast one more town power role with plus

[bob3141]

And the scum rolestopper doesnt realy have much to do with vengful. And in this balance teh scum rolestopper is probably intended to cause ambiguity over teh cop results. With the intent of it being used to stop clears being formed

Veng is like a one shot vig but only worse. As it requires a mislynch to use. So in one go it removes 2 mislynches rather than one. For the same odds of killing scum. With that being based on the persons reads

[bob3141]

So you think that in a game with a Cop that can clear people, Town gets a Role that can nuke one of the non-cleared slots? I agree it’s kind of a bad claim for Scum don’t get me wrong. I just don’t get it.

seen it once before in the 2020 large theme. They lynched the player and they hit scum with their shot.

[bob3141]

Yeah there’s no way this slot is town

VOTE: plusjoyed

Why does scum plus claim vengful of all things?

[bob3141]

VOTE: Osuka

[bob3141]

Yeah there’s no way this slot is town

VOTE: plusjoyed

Why does scum plus claim vengful of all things?

To avoid being lynched? Why else?

You really think someone would claim vengful. Rather than someing liek VC, tracker, watcher. ect

[bob3141]

There’s a lot I can’t square about you Bob. We haven’t really talked about this much, but you were adamant about not voting Kerset D1. And you still seemed to be inching towards trying to help Kerset D2 under tremendous pressure. I’m not confused enough about my reads I don’t think that I need to blow up my core.

standard policy. I dont lynch a claimed pr day one. You have much more info to review the claim the next day

[bob3141]

There’s just bound to be Scum here. I don’t see how there isn’t. Way too much resistance to Kerset in these slots historically. Some bad pushes from both, and from Bob almost a deliberate attempt at staying away from the action. Like the push onto IV without a vote following the “slip”. And the shading of Teacher with some bad info that Teacher called out. I’m not seeing either slot as Town.

You do realise much of what teacher was calling out was nonsense


He calls me shade for seeing him do an action i have seen scum do. For claimign a highly unlikely role. One we know now to be complete nonsense. If he had claimed informed cop, i would have beleived it. Never plain simple informed townie, one thats just been informed of scum rolestopper. Toenie informed of anothers alignment, yes. town informed with addition role, yes. But never what he claimed day one in a disingenuous way. That was the heart of why I scum read him.


He made a big thing over semantic. And at that in very disingenuous way. Like he came out with silly thing of oh no your lying. rather simply saying your wrong there. He kept makign a big deal over a few days comment. When it should of been clear that i was talking about to calendar days when i typed it. When teh main point was that there was pleanty of time left on the clock. There migh have been 6-8 hours left than i thought. But it didnt change that he made his choice between osuka and village. Take this not 3-4 hours from deadline but with a whole day left.




And kept drawing himself into my read on dmath. Even through large sections of it had nothing to do with him. It should of been clear to him that the main focus of it was how. Dmath went from osuka > iv. osuka might not of been a scum read but it clearly wasnt a much of town read. If he thought he was being over townread. Too reading Iv as scum, on points that IV had answered well. And it should of been obvous IV was town. Ok i migth of generalised. But it should of still been clear i was predominantly talking about math.

Any one who though village was in anyway a decent lynch that day should get of their high horse.


And look at teacher how he doesnt quote. He makes a quote and then he rewrites into it what ever he though. He miss quotes me at times and other makes of thing i never said.

[bob3141]

Any game some makes a claim thats clearly not true, you can expect me to scum read them. If he had never made the claim informed townie full stop I doubt i would have ever tunneled him.

And if I was scum you can well bet your arse i would have kept my interactions to him to min. If i spot a town power role i near always town read them as scum and bumb them off in the night.

[bob3141]

vote. bob.

I think you need to reread the game if you think im scum.

[bob3141]

Yeah there’s no way this slot is town

VOTE: plusjoyed

Why does scum plus claim vengful of all things?

To avoid being lynched? Why else?

You really think someone would claim vengful. Rather than someing liek VC, tracker, watcher. ect

In a setup with several other PRs? Yeah, a vengeful claim is much more believable than a tracker claim for example

how do you think it was meant to help him survive. And why do you think he would roleclaim now. As he wasnt at l-1. And if he was at any point certainly not long enough to show up in any vote counts

[bob3141]

Vote count 1.18

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

Kerset [5]:

Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Saudade, Menalque

Tayl0r Swift [3]:

shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED

NDMath [2]:

bob3141, teacher

innocentvillager [2]:

Kerset, osuka

PlusJOYED [1]:

Tayl0r Swift

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ another one

flavour

Vote count 1.19

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

Kerset [4]:

Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Saudade, Menalque

Tayl0r Swift [4]:

shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED, Andresvmb

NDMath [2]:

bob3141, teacher

innocentvillager [2]:

Kerset, osuka

PlusJOYED [1]:

Tayl0r Swift

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ the next person to say "a pagetop for daddy" is getting a modkill

flavour

Vote count 1.20

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

innocentvillager [5]:

Kerset, osuka, Andresvmb, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED

Kerset [2]:

innocentvillager, Saudade

Tayl0r Swift [2]:

shellyc, NDMath

NDMath [2]:

bob3141, teacher

Not Voting [2]:

Menalque, Ydrasse

mod notes

~ i hate doing VCs on mobile zzz

flavour

does anyone actualy look at the vote counts.

Thats was how the kerset wagon broke. Look who had an active part in making a new wagon

[bob3141]

Plus town as teh wagon momentum had already been switched. That needs two scum early. Even with kersets fake claim as we know now. You either get lingering wagon or straight away the wagon breaks up into loads of different wagons. Rather than what happened, a concerted switch.

[bob3141]

taylor swift was a failed wagon before kerset. So day one it was very strongly town indictive. Means it was being pushed but not heavily. And anway odds of teh two leading wagons being svs is always low. If kerset had flipped town it again would of been a sign of town taylor. as the wagon happened after kerset formed. If both are town you would have expected them to stayed tied.

No wagon formed math even though he was only vote behind taylor but instead village.


See thats a choice there. scum choose to push village over dmath. As the vote counts showed the town players followed rather than scum following town

[bob3141]

If we had just lynched kerset there and then day one. You would never have had any info on who scum tried to get killed instead of kerset. While also reducing the risk of killing a town pr. As scum would of likely killed him if he was town. By day 3 at the latest and even day two is suspect.

There was no risk in lynching kerset day two. As we had the info on his night action. How he was slow to give it and then claimed he was noivce. Just a shame teacher stole my hammer.

[bob3141]

innocentvillager [5]: Kerset, osuka, Andresvmb, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED

s, osuka, andre, t , t

Highly unlikely that both osuka and andre are town. And i rather think andre is townie. He has sew sawed between me and osuka in townie way. rather than flip flopping

[bob3141]

Vote count 1.28

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

bob3141 [4]:

Andresvmb, NDMath, Ydrasse, teacher

innocentvillager [3]:

osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED

teacher [2]:

Kerset, bob3141

Kerset [1]:

shellyc

osuka [1]:

Menalque

Not Voting [2]:

innocentvillager, Saudade

mod notes

~

flavour

then mine and village wagosn formed. yet both go no where

Sign that scum are not on teh same wagon. as with different wagons this status quo continues

[bob3141]

kerset spend the rest of teh day parked on kerset.

bob3141 [4]: Andresvmb, NDMath, Ydrasse, teacher
innocentvillager [3]: osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED

so one scum on each of these wagons

[bob3141]

beep

one minute earlier

[bob3141]

Vote count 1.32

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

osuka [5]:

Menalque, Ydrasse, shellyc, innocentvillager, Saudade

bob3141 [3]:

Andresvmb, NDMath, teacher

innocentvillager [3]:

Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka

teacher [2]:

Kerset, bob3141

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ good morning!

flavour

osuka starts leading sometime later. After all long time of stalled wagons ( well in terms of vote counts for sure)

[bob3141]

Vote count 1.35

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

osuka [4]:

Ydrasse, shellyc, Saudade, Andresvmb

innocentvillager [4]:

Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager

bob3141 [2]:

NDMath, teacher

teacher [2]:

Kerset, bob3141

Not Voting [1]:

Menalque

mod notes

~ zzz

flavour

And this is where we end up before the wagon break. Stalled wagons are strong sign that no wagon has more than one scum. More than one and you get rapid movement. not stagnation.

the wagon that it breaks to is village.

Ydrasse, shellyc, t, Andresvmb

whats everyone reads on these players. As if you think there all town as i do.

Then teh question is why did it end up village over osuka. How did osuka not pick up another vote at this point

[bob3141]

if I were scum I'd try to pocket the vengeful claim very carefully
I think that's what bob is doing here

To be honest if i was scum tryign to pocket someone. You would be pocketed.

Menal knows. He was town in game i hard pocketed farkum.

Last game i hard pocketed SG and pocketed vota before the slots were replaced. Even survived being guilitied.


If you want to pocket soemone you pick your target well and match their reads. You need them to think you have similar mind set. as that allows you to then bend their reads around what you want. And they think and everyone sees them as the driver.

See how i saved porkens in my latest finished scum game. I manipulated a player into saying things that got him flash lynched at deadline. As i could use the voting block i had formed around myself on my buddies wagon. To suddenly shift the weight. Yet it was my vote that followed my pocket. When i followed it reassured those voting him that it was town motivated. They were instigators and i was the cement.

All while doign towny things all of day one

[bob3141]

joyed instead of seeing scum!anybody can you give me a lynch order so we have have some Fun Discussion and I can release my theory on the alignments of plus and ydrasse

here's mine: (least to most)
Shelly
Andres
Menalque
Ydrasse
Math
Bob
Joyed
Osuka

at this point i think bob is more likely than osuka because osuka wouldn't push a venge i think as scum

So why do you think scum wouldnt push a vengful. You take out 2 mislynches for one. With the worse case being you simply swap a scum lynch for nigth kill and move the game to evens. Which benifits scum

[bob3141]

I'll elim bob, shelly, or possibly math today

Why would you even consider shelly. LIke how could shelly ever be partner with the other two names you mentioned. Even with any other player no way is shelly scum this game

[bob3141]

veng

well unless i think if town they will make a stupid veng kill. yds . The fact he claims to scum read yds means his reads are awful if he inst scum. Like a vig who kills town 3 times in row. You dont want to give them any chance to kill more town

the poe should only be osuka, dmath, bob , plus.

Any risk to that then, yes i will be against killing a claimed veng. Kill him last even if he is scum

[bob3141]

And if my poe is wrong. Then im as wrong as anyone this game.

As the wagon gamestate just doesnt make sense unless there is 2 scum in dmath, osuka, plus

[bob3141]

There’s just bound to be Scum here. I don’t see how there isn’t. Way too much resistance to Kerset in these slots historically. Some bad pushes from both, and from Bob almost a deliberate attempt at staying away from the action. Like the push onto IV without a vote following the “slip”. And the shading of Teacher with some bad info that Teacher called out. I’m not seeing either slot as Town.

The only way for me to be scum is with you

So if you know your town then you know im town.


If i was scum here it would mean i want to be scum read. As ive got someone that noobody thinks could be my partner. Good thing im town.

Because scum me get players exasperated at how they just cant get me lynched. Last game i even surived being guiltied to win 3p lylo

[bob3141]

joyed instead of seeing scum!anybody can you give me a lynch order so we have have some Fun Discussion and I can release my theory on the alignments of plus and ydrasse

here's mine: (least to most)
Shelly
Andres
Menalque
Ydrasse
Math
Bob
Joyed
Osuka

at this point i think bob is more likely than osuka because osuka wouldn't push a venge i think as scum

So why do you think scum wouldnt push a vengful. You take out 2 mislynches for one. With the worse case being you simply swap a scum lynch for nigth kill and move the game to evens. Which benifits scum

i've been pretty explosive. If scum pushed me they'd know they might get hit with the shot so they have to be careful to avoid it

na i would be pushing you as scum. As i would know how to get you to shoot town. I your not scum i would have feed your yds read by pushing against it. While waving your own read on yds infront of your face.

The players who never push against a veng is those who just think their reads are awful.

[bob3141]

bob i really don't care about your self meta

oh thats not self meta.


Thats a big

For after i flip. For anyone foolish enough to think i flip scum here

[bob3141]

bob, what do you think of plus not being vengeful?

fake claims always need to be lynched. If he is town he has messed up. Best case scenario a town plus would be taken into lylo and killed over it. Worse case is that the fake claim was scum motivated. All bad for town.

And i dont realy see plus being own to fake claim as town. Certianly not a veng fake claim.




worse example i saw is that a town fake claim got a town pr flash lynched. We ended up losing even though i managed to pull the game back a bit day 3. BY getting scum lynched when they tried pushing me after i hard pushed two of their team.

[bob3141]

There’s just bound to be Scum here. I don’t see how there isn’t. Way too much resistance to Kerset in these slots historically. Some bad pushes from both, and from Bob almost a deliberate attempt at staying away from the action. Like the push onto IV without a vote following the “slip”. And the shading of Teacher with some bad info that Teacher called out. I’m not seeing either slot as Town.

The only way for me to be scum is with you

So if you know your town then you know im town.


If i was scum here it would mean i want to be scum read. As ive got someone that noobody thinks could be my partner. Good thing im town.

Because scum me get players exasperated at how they just cant get me lynched. Last game i even surived being guiltied to win 3p lylo

You’re implying that we would be Scum together because we both pushed the same thing regarding IV. Except, I reversed that position to the point that I called the execution bad, which I don’t recall you doing. I don’t know why you’re even writing this to be honest.

na thats not my style. Its the fact that as scum i play the fall guy. The bait that is just to hard to bite. So my buddies normaly are always the ones pushing me.

Just having a little fun lol chatting about prior games. Normally when players push scum reads against me that are so not me

[bob3141]

4038 - I don’t think what we know about Teacher now backs up what you’re saying. Teacher *was* Informed. They were just also a Loyal Cop. And why would they Claim Cop? Why would you expect them to have done that? They were clearly leaving information out on purpose not to draw the NK. Which worked well btw. I don’t think your positioning makes sense regarding that slot. Like instead of admitting to reading Teacher wrong (which you did), you blame it on them for not revealing information that would have been helpful to Scum? And you seemed overly hung up on the fact that they mistook Roleblocker for Rolestopper.

they should never have revealed that info. As it served no purpose as no advantage was given. It would just draw flax from players who are doing setup spec. Teacher should never have been trying to draw the night kill. He is a cop of the strongest town roles. Most he should of done is flipped me pushing that he did a scum slip with out roleclaim. As before that roleclaim he was in my town block.

If im town claiming is simply going to add flame to fire. If im scum then he is painting a target on his back. As after kerset claim i would know there was no doc. Something i told you last game. As to why a player might fake claim doc.

No roleclaim. No thorn.

I admit im bit overly critical of people that dont know all the normal roles. Newbie wouldnt know nor maybe player thats only played 5 ish games. But i expect those that have played as much as me to know. So i naturaly end up think it dumb telling.

[bob3141]

But the flip did not reveal what information Teacher actually knew. It just stated that Teacher was Informed. Like I don’t understand this criticism. How is not revealing that information helpful to Town?

because its cack handed. You just crumb it.


If you think a player has spotted your crumb you dont shout it out as your in bad position. If there town a questional roleclaim will cause town on town. If there scum your waving a big red flag. Plain dumb

Any one who can setup spec roles is going to know to nonsense role. Your just going get it drawn out

[bob3141]

innocentvillager [5]: Kerset, osuka, Andresvmb, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED

s, osuka, andre, t , t

Highly unlikely that both osuka and andre are town. And i rather think andre is townie. He has sew sawed between me and osuka in townie way. rather than flip flopping

I love games with this many slips.

HOW DO YOU KNOW PLUS IS TOWN BOB.

Hate to say it but thats is just dumb.


You see analysis and you think its slip. lol

[bob3141]

innocentvillager [5]: Kerset, osuka, Andresvmb, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED

s, osuka, andre, t , t

Highly unlikely that both osuka and andre are town. And i rather think andre is townie. He has sew sawed between me and osuka in townie way. rather than flip flopping

I love games with this many slips.

HOW DO YOU KNOW PLUS IS TOWN BOB.

Hate to say it but thats is just dumb.


You see analysis and you think its slip. lol

You do realize that I was clearly kidding right? I even put it in caps for added effect. Though this might be something to look back to if you do flip Scum.

jokes need

otherwise it gets lost in translation. Otherwise it just comes across as you being insulty. Ive only ever made one scum slip in all my games and that was big one. Even if it was planned if not the scale

[bob3141]

i am *alright* with a kerset lim but at the same time I'm afraid they are actually doctor

Gated doc in a game that lasts at most 5 nights = pretty weak Pr.

We have two anti-town town roles claimed, implying that town must have some decently strong PRs including some kind of investigative (Miller)

If town has two strong PRa plus gated doc (the kind of power that would justify two antitown roles), then scum likely has at least gated rolestopper.

Given suspicions of Kerset, scum do not shoot but instead block (at least when town reads become sufficiently common that they are worried about overlap).

This is why I think town has to resolve the Kerset slot. I don’t think scum does it for us. And I don’t think waiting for later makes it easier to eliminate a claimed PR.

If ever scum roleblocker type role flips. Teachs scum equity goes up.

Why go straight to roleblocker. Why discount scum hvaing tracker/ rolecop type roles

Like right here.

key word equity. Did i ever say x would be scum if x is show to be in the game.

This is a normal thing to say as town.

[bob3141]

his later roleclaim just cam across as panicking scum trying to cover a scum slip.

[bob3141]

Over a post that was no more than mm could that be scum slip.

[bob3141]

I think there’s some good reasons you defended the Vengeful Claim as Scum too. Obviously you were trying to curry favor there either to not get shot or move the shot towards a Townie. If you’re as good at setup spec as you claim to be, you would have IMMEDIATELY cast doubt on the claim. I know I did. And I’m not nearly as good as I think you are in this particular department. It’s like you want others to believe that you would have always shot a Town PR N1 as Scum. But then you fall for a simple claim that was dubious in the context of the claims we have? I can’t square the two.

because there is hole in claimed town power. There is difference in knowing what inst possible and what is. And more importantly what is likely. Vengful was entirely possible unless there was more claims to town power


informed loyal cop
you role ( miller taht inst a flase guility, a role that is largely useless on its own. )

is no way on its own is that enough town power. Would never get past review.

The less town power roles. The stronger combined they have to be and thats why town power tends to be broken up in several roles.


What isnt a possible role informed on its own. With out some vital info that layer alone must know. Otherwise they dont get put in from design point of view. As it would be superfluous with games more often becoming semi open instead. see noms game i referenced.

[bob3141]

And why are you pairing me with Osuka in that wagon analysis? Honestly Bob, I think you’re Scummy Scum.

are you even reading my posts. As for you to come up with that.


Are your reads so bad that you cant see a step by step analysis. I go onto say of the two no way do i see you as scum. My analysis says there is one scum there. With the two players alive being you and osuka. I then cross your name out. Based on the next step.


You would have to be an alt of one of the stronger scum players to be scum.

[bob3141]

andre im done talking with you. Post game im happy to tell you were you have gone wrong if you dont flip scum. In which case i will say bravo to fooling me

[bob3141]

i get worked up when i see people making awful arguements.

This game is on par with the one where i almost quit. Where the watcher got the babysitter killed. Even though him being scum would leave a massive hole in town power.

[bob3141]

I think there’s some good reasons you defended the Vengeful Claim as Scum too. Obviously you were trying to curry favor there either to not get shot or move the shot towards a Townie. If you’re as good at setup spec as you claim to be, you would have IMMEDIATELY cast doubt on the claim. I know I did. And I’m not nearly as good as I think you are in this particular department. It’s like you want others to believe that you would have always shot a Town PR N1 as Scum. But then you fall for a simple claim that was dubious in the context of the claims we have? I can’t square the two.

because there is hole in claimed town power. There is difference in knowing what inst possible and what is. And more importantly what is likely. Vengful was entirely possible unless there was more claims to town power


informed loyal cop
you role ( miller taht inst a flase guility, a role that is largely useless on its own. )

is no way on its own is that enough town power. Would never get past review.

The less town power roles. The stronger combined they have to be and thats why town power tends to be broken up in several roles.


What isnt a possible role informed on its own. With out some vital info that layer alone must know. Otherwise they dont get put in from design point of view. As it would be superfluous with games more often becoming semi open instead. see noms game i referenced.

Why are you behaving as if it was completely unreasonable to Scum Read you? You defended Kerset. Hard. You pushed IV (as did I, no doubt). You didn’t vote for Kerset. You pushed Teacher. And you minimized Saudade’s doubt of Kerset. Like why am I an idiot because I don’t agree with you here?

im not calling you an idiot. There is difference between awful arguements and idiotic arguements. Your not bad at problem solving it just that you to often take the easy solutions. That are just never right.




argruement that i was against kerset after his roleclaim is resonable. As scum will do that hiding under the fact town will too. But the key thing is town will too. Even if i was in favour based on wagon comp. But thats not teh issue


I pushed Iv yes but in way i never felt it. If you look at the votes, I never voted IV and just ended up saying he was town that messed up. I thought at the end of the day it would of been clear that i was very much against IV. Now me pushing aginst iV kill at the same time inst reason to town read. Thats the bad argument. That you started day one that convinced me you were town.

The thing is i was going to vote kerset. I was just waiting for his answer on my question. But thats not the point. You never x was scum so all of it are scum. You need to look at the flow of votes. Who was pushign against and who although voting for was doing nothing. Take my 3rd scum game. based on votes you never would of thought i was town. I was on one sucm lynch and not one single town lynch. Even though I was the one driving them with back handers.


to be honest saud needed to be focused. Ive seen games be lost because town was split between two scum wagons. We didnt have the votes, so it was bet sauds vote was on something that wasnt IV. As we were on track, as did happen to kill IV.



The thing town does most often is push town. The thing is to look for scum trying to achieve something.

------
Half your arguments have been that you think ive made rookie mistakes.

[bob3141]

And why are you ignoring that I’m not just Miller, but also Town Checker?

town checker is weak role. The fact is even i wouldnt of though that role up.


Miller is just your informed. Miller gets you guility but the fact the cop gets guilty means your town. checker is just a little cross interaction with the cop.

its an odd claim that more likely to be true than fake. As it would certainly be an impressive fake claim if anyone came up with that.

[bob3141]

And even though you did conclude that I was Town and Osuka was likely to be Scum based on your wagon analysis, you are still saying that there’s Scum amongst us two. So you are pairing me with Osuka. That doesn’t mean you’re arguing we’re both the Team. I don’t think I’m saying anything egregious.

see this is one of the awful argeument. See im not syaing there is one scum among you im saying that for plus to be town. ouska has to be scum fullstop.

It is egregious. As you making yourself the centre of it. When arguing against that logic is the same as argueing that osuka is town. You missing the fact that the whole string of posts is about why are we not getting on with it. How is osuka not scum.

The only two players in teh first 4 votes. Is one confirmed town and one clear townie. After that its one role that had no town pr counter claim

[bob3141]

My mistake was in checking NDMath. I should have checked a Role I SR. That would have been as good as a red check. I probably would have done Kerset anyway and not much would have changed to be totally honest.

It wasnt mistake as it was a reasonable play. You found for sure that dmath was ascetic which is useful during mass claim.

ascetic is potentially in this game a true miller. Now ascetic counts against teh town based on the number of town roles it blocks. As scum can still kill it.

[bob3141]

ascetic with scumrolestopper has limited value. It could be guility or inno.

Does the same job as rolestopper. So if scum its role is to be a doc to a gunsmith. As the cop cant be sure if he was rolestopped if you say you checked him. It coudl also as i said earlier act like a town miller to the cop

[bob3141]

bob and andres is TvS af and im nearly positive andres is town

highly concur.

like bob just slipped lol and it sounds awfully like flailing

VOTE: bob

I guess scum will take you to lylo with critical thinking like that.

You want to see the only time i slipped in 6 scum games.

viewtopic.php?p=10933595#p10933595

[bob3141]

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=79480
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83299
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81161

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80371
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81789

one more to find



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82371 < that 50 player

[bob3141]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81161

thats it.

There is one more but it was rep into a slot was at l-1. So was onyl in the game for few days

[bob3141]

bob and andres is TvS af and im nearly positive andres is town

highly concur.

like bob just slipped lol and it sounds awfully like flailing

VOTE: bob

I guess scum will take you to lylo with critical thinking like that.

You want to see the only time i slipped in 6 scum games.

viewtopic.php?p=10933595#p10933595

And it was that post that i used to save my buddy. With intentionally scummy post that overshoot when a scum slip was added. I ended up wining lylo .

shadd large and 2148 and 2114 are perfect examples of how i play scum.

[bob3141]

menal im hurt I hope this is not scum you again. I still cant beleive you ended up wining that game with teh lylo you picked. No one listens to me, they lynch me when im almost always right.

And you know its always best to lynch me l-1. As im one good scum hunter and near impossible to lynch as scum before my buddies have been caught.

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Wagon analysis should tell anyone im town. And leaving a big for when i flip.

Do the wagon realy flow the way they did with 2 scum on dead wagon. That takes 2 scum to do. wagonomics 101.

[bob3141]

im a town tracker

[bob3141]

your all awful scum hunters

[bob3141]

ynone of you can read day one wagons

100% of teh time

a wagon liek the teacher one is never s+s

[bob3141]

i get pushed day one after the counter wagon to kerset fails.

[bob3141]

i struggle to follow games with loads of posts. to be honest i actualy only read half the thread. I like my games low tempo

but i did try and warn town at the end when menal fliped to vote me.

if the thread hadnt locked i would more directly said there is a serous chance menal is scum.

[bob3141]

i was wrong on plus though. That vengful fake claim was awful even if he was right on shelly. Would always have pushed for menal lynch if i was alive that day. on the pr claim alone. not sure if i would have lynched him before plus though if he had claimed vt.

[bob3141]

gj maf, especially mena. Impressive, i never woulda thought you would hard defend a townie as maf when you coulda just ended day 1 right there
I don't feel bad self voting there cause everyone was locked on voting me and I was exhausted.

Certainly do wonders. If scum is not at risk of being lynched it becomes the better option. Once deadlocked two town wagons (on day two) to try and get a flash lynch on a third. It didnt work but town still got lynched. And i ended up looking good