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[Battle Mage]

Suggested ground rules:

Tracker/Vig chooses Tracker.

Hider tonight will target player immediately above them in the player list. So if they die we can nail 1 scum.

GeniusGamer
Tayl0r Swift
bob3141
Not_Mafia
ManWithNoName
Dongempire
Bambi Jay
NorwegianboyEE
MURDERCAT
Battle Mage
PenguinPower
Isis
Lost

For example, if I am Hider, I will be visiting MURDERCAT tonight.

[Battle Mage]

also hi all, lovely to see you. I can confirm I am on the side of this town in this endeavour.

[Battle Mage]

worked once, might work again, never know. You town this time?

[Battle Mage]

ah sorry bud, but respect the honesty - I'll make it quick

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Battle Mage]

I'd prefer if people hypoclaimed their hider targets, that's how it's always been done every open setup I've ever played with hiders. I don't see the benefit in depriving hiders of agency

Eh I don't care much for hider agency - the first time I played this setup the hider had agency and did nothing and we lost. With this approach we get a guaranteed inno/guilty on Night 1, plus the other PRs. Hypo-claiming presumably increases the risk that scum can kill the hider or more quickly identify the hider, compared to my proposed approach. It's as good as random anyway, so who cares.

[Battle Mage]

Oh it's an open setup, so norwee is scum

this doesn't add up

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I'm on to you, Balfruss

me rather than claimed mafia? dang

[Battle Mage]

looking down the playerlist, someone better conftown me N1, as my life expectancy looks pretty short

[Battle Mage]

*ducks*

[Battle Mage]

If I'm the tracker/Vigi I'll take my time to shoot Battle Mage tonight.

Frankly Tracker will only be good if you trust your ability to only catch one scum out it and then die. At least with Vigi your garunteed 2 shots going through before you die.

Vigilante is the superior option because at least then the mafia Jailkeeper would have way more urgency jailing them instead of of randomly finding the other TI.

if anyone actually did this, I would support an automatic policy-lynch for playing against town wincon. I'm confident it won't happen though.

[Battle Mage]

4 reasons vig is superior

1) it can catch more than one scum before dying
2) its more fun
3) you dont have to rely on scum being next to each other and next to the tracker in the player list, you can simply target scummy people
4) see 1-3

1. it can also kill town including power roles for no reason
2. eh
3. don't know what the playerlist has to do with anything?

I'm not gonna labour the point, i think it's dumb, if others disagree, you're wrong

[Battle Mage]

also vig just fks up the hider but w/e

[Battle Mage]

if anyone actually did this, I would support an automatic policy-lynch for playing against town wincon. I'm confident it won't happen though.

Have you played with Bambi before?

i dont think so, although guessing she's an alt?

[Battle Mage]

Yes, but also my point is that is totally something that Bambi would do.

quick game then, time for another?

[Battle Mage]

4 reasons vig is superior

1) it can catch more than one scum before dying
2) its more fun
3) you dont have to rely on scum being next to each other and next to the tracker in the player list, you can simply target scummy people
4) see 1-3

A lady of good sense I see.

But yeah a good Vigilante does a crap ton more than a good Tracker. BM probably trying to discourage it so Mafia can control all the kills.

a bad or even mediocre vigilante screws town.

[Battle Mage]

my last game was vigilante themed - 2 town players had the ability to vig kill each night. scum won with a clean sweep on Day 3. if you canvassed players in that game, i'm not sure they'd tell you being a vig was more fun than being a tracker

[Battle Mage]

i feel like a teacher in a challenging school right now. luckily it's the weekend and monday is an inset day! take it easy folks

[Battle Mage]

Sounds more like your jealous you signed up for a Vigilante theme game and didn't get the ability to kill that time.

I ain't arguing a Vigilante isn't swingy, I'm arguing it's a high risk high reward game. Calling it "going against wincon" feels more like your instantly taking an option off of the table town can use. Also in the same post you say you'd lynch the player for not conforming to your style. So it feels more like your a hardballing scum trying to play town leader early. Hence my suggestion for the Vig to shoot you.

My view on this setup is, if town is smart it can either quickly fall in town's favour, or at worst be reasonably competitive and balanced. At best, a vig can be marginally better than a tracker, but the relative higher risk massively outweighs the modest higher reward. So yes, I was definitely trying to take it off the table, because I think it's an anti-town play. Does taking a pro-town stance make me more likely scum? You could make that case. If your argument is instead that I'm scum simply because I'm arguing selecting Vig is bad and nobody should do it, I would kindly refer you to my last Hard Boiled game where I did the exact same thing as town in a defacto leadership role as you described it (hence, in itself, it's certainly not a BM scum-tell).

I think calling for me to be killed (albeit by the vig) for disagreeing with you is not much different to me calling for you to be killed for disagreeing with me. I don't have a strong view on your alignment from it, but would be wary if your post above was serious (I'm assuming it's mostly a joke).

Anyway, I'm gonna kick back for a bit and return to do some scumhunting later, happy trails!

[Battle Mage]

also, I was scum in that vig game, so i got to kill plenty

[Battle Mage]

vig gives town more power and more control over the game. especially if we know theres a vig we can all help to direct the shot.

A 2nd nightly kill influenced by scum and an impotent hider, rather than a tracker where 2 scum will be moving at night and a hider which can act as a cop. I'm sure though we'll have a great chance of the Vig killing scum if the scum know who is being targetted and can simply direct the JK to protect their team-mate if needed.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Taylor Swift

If we end up with a vig tonight, please do actually kill me.

[Battle Mage]

im still alive?? amazing, will catch up in a day or 2

[Battle Mage]

(unless i die beforehand, in which case GG and GL town I guess!)

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage
Because ur trying to play town leader and

i hate you

*Cough* i’m not sure i trust your overly eager entrance.

dude i'm always town leader and i don't even think i was that "overly eager"? I just did my intros and now sitting back to let some sparks fly so I can solve this.

definitely chill on the hate talk though, just a game, we groovy

[Battle Mage]

My bias against Mage gives me pause there, so explain more.

lol do i know you? i guess you are an elsa jay alt? do you find "bias" helps or hinders your scumhunting? generally i think admitting you are biased damages your credibility, which is pretty unhelpful if you are town.

FoS

[Battle Mage]

I'm not headstrong enough like Mage to think my opinion is best, I'm offering it as an alternative without telling people it's against their wincon to make the decision without feeling like nobody supports them.

I want Vigi selected, but that's up to the player who got that role now isn't it?

I'm just being straight man, it's all gravy. if you, or anyone else, picks vig over tracker in this setup, fine. I do think my opinion is best on this occasion, and you are entitled to disagree. It's probably one to discuss after the game if either of us care (or you could consult with the wise mafia gods).

I don't think there's value in arguing it further - for simplicity, I'll just say that anyone encouraging town PRs to make a decision I view as objectively bad, will be regarded by me as scummy for that.

[Battle Mage]

all i will say on Not Mafia is - the only time i played with him, he had me nailed as scum on Day 1 (which is pretty much unheard of), so credit where it's due. the guy has some reads

[Battle Mage]

Oh, one week deadline. Fun.

And Mage seems like a player that can handle a wagon on him, he even already said it himself. He can get out of it with his words. Tayl0r not so much probs. If she gets to l-1 I don't see her getting out of day 1 alive, leaving the day without a decent pressure on other slots.

I mean, this is true, but not good strategy for town, as the CAT rightly points out:

Boo what's the point of pressure if you are convinced someone can get out of it?

this is a good question. normally i like to wagon some newbs on Day 1 precisely because you're more likely to get alignment-indicative reactions. Elsa Jay wagonning someone and acknowledging it serves no purpose seems scummy at a glance.

And any particular question

Jam or chutney?

The fuck is chutney?

DaFuq, do you not have chutney in freedomland?

Okay then, is there such a thing as an objective conciousness or is a universal subjective conciousness the best we can hope to achieve?

Funnily enough I like this question more.

Obviously Subjective based on the fact that we developed to have Subjective thoughts anyway. If we were still like lions, squirrels, or whales itd be objective. Survive, reproduce, die, repeat.

Avoided question. No bueno.

If the following people could please start doing town things that would be great:

GeniusGamer
Tayl0r Swift
bob3141
Not_Mafia
ManWithNoName
Dongempire
Bambi Jay
NorwegianboyEE
Battle Mage
PenguinPower
Isis
Lost

i'm fighting the good fight dude!

Also I figure Norweg is likely to be pretty happy mis-eliming me on Day 1 regardless of his alignment, so can't read too much into that.

I like Manwithnoname I think. Tell me you town brother?

I'll join this party VOTE: Dongempire

[Battle Mage]

Suggested hider plan:

Hider tonight will target player immediately above them in the player list. So if they die we can nail 1 scum.

GeniusGamer
Tayl0r Swift
bob3141
Not_Mafia
ManWithNoName
Dongempire
Bambi Jay
NorwegianboyEE
MURDERCAT
Battle Mage
PenguinPower
Isis
Lost

For example, if I am Hider, I will be visiting MURDERCAT tonight.

Do we have consensus agreement to this? If so, useful for everyone to keep track of it (and assume hider will never deviate), otherwise it serves no purpose. If not, useful to have some agreed plan for what we are doing, and probably also useful to get everyone's view on it. So far from recollection it's been Bambi and Taylor Swift pushing the anti-town play - good to know if anyone else is voting for that?

[Battle Mage]

It's cuz I won the game for town. My hammer was the most important.

Iirc you were basically a scum traitor, giving cover to Taylor who we could've easily elimmed Day 1. Won the game for town? eh, not intentionally at least

[Battle Mage]

I suspected Penguin early btw.
Bragging rights.

...he admitted he was scum on page 1. no bragging rights if you didn't get there BEFORE that

[Battle Mage]

in summary, very enjoyable and fast-moving game, so kudos to Mod. deserved win for town, although kudos to PP in particular for playing a good game. i enjoyed setup and would play again, although felt townsided here? what do i know!