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woke up to 5 pages of setup spec howboutdat

too bad my tiny brain can't understand any of it

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rvs is lame wagon go choochoo

VOTE: mage

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hello

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Lost do you actually think you are a dumb person?

yes I don't think I'm particularly bright. average at best

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i think this is L-2 btw (L is for lunch)

yes, yes it is

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i do not

but ok with all this fluffy banter aside i do have some legitimate questions:
1. given you suggested hypoclaiming(which i'm assuming means hypothetical claiming, where we all claim the person we would hypothetically target), i'm gna assume you know at least a bit more than i do than this setup, and setup spec in general. with that, do you think that mage preferring tracker, or taylor/bambi preferring vig, has anything to do with any of their alignments? i've read both their cases for it, both sounds like reaches.

2. what would be the diff between hypoclaiming and targeting the name above you in playerlist

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i think this is L-2 btw (L is for lunch)

actually since u r here 2 would u care to elab on ur mage vote/read/whatever it is that made you vote him

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Hypoclaiming allows the real hider to target someone they scumread, or someone who, if that person is scum, it's not good for the hider to be alive anyway, or whatever. Targeting the name above in the playerlist forces the hider to pick that arbitrary target

ehhhhh does that mean that as a weak hider you should be trying to kill yourself?

I don't think Battle Mage or Bambi has been alignment indicative in how they've addressed the question but I think Tayl0r might be slightly scummier for seeming to not put lots of thought in (I only don't feel the same way about Bambi because of knowing her meta, really)

cool wna wagon tayl0r instead?

VOTE: tayl0r

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nice pagetop

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sure VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

Weak Hiders usually should be trying to kill themselves.

isn't that kinda antitown tho

as opposed to hiding behind people you think are town, then they get conftowned when you finally die and flip

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so many pages
but still nothing of substance
i cannot scumhunt

i tried to reply
to posts that had some value
but i got nothing

-haikus by Lost, who is currently lost

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isis bambi nm genius murder

you guys are now town until you aren't

i would b okay voting anyone else

pls the bm and taylor wagons aren't cutting it there's 0 content, tho it'd still be ok with a tayl0r wagon.

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everyone is ok with a taylor wagon but no one has given strong reasons for a taylor wagon. what does that tell you?

im rly just tryna wagon someone in hopes that someone will say something remotely useful.

whats your reason for the bm wagon?

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I didn’t say i was ok with an Taylor wagon.
In fact, i’m probably fine just voting either of NM/BM until i get some decent reads.

does that mean you're not ok with a tayl0r wagon and that you think tayl0r is town

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hello murder! do u have reads on any1

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Eh, i don’t have a strong read on Taylor.
One post kinda pings me as townish, but that’s it.

which one

also does that mean that you see posts from bm/nm that ping scummish? which r those

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gotta do it like peng

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hello murder! do u have reads on any1

Couple lean town reads, isis taylor scum

pls share the town reads

can you share your tayl0r read?

and also is isis scum only if tayl0r is scum? or is there something other than "hopping off her buddy" that makes her scum

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Eh, i don’t have a strong read on Taylor.
One post kinda pings me as townish, but that’s it.

which one

also does that mean that you see posts from bm/nm that ping scummish? which r those

The one where they said, "is this the scum PT?" in response to NM posting an link they couldn’t access.
It was a joke obviously, but if that’s theur first instinct then it’s showing a towny mindset.
I know my reads are laughable, go ahead. Don’t feel any restraint. Ridicule me.

sounds like it would be more telling if tayl0r was newb, which i don't think she is. that aside though:

also does that mean that you see posts from bm/nm that ping scummish? which r those

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can you share your tayl0r read?

vig gives town more power and more control over the game. especially if we know theres a vig we can all help to direct the shot.

i suppose i should put my money where my mouth is and VOTE: battle mage

These are actually bad, the other bad ones just sound newbie

are good and bad that only way you explain your reads? because i am very unintelligent and my brain is smoking

and also is isis scum only if tayl0r is scum? or is there something other than "hopping off her buddy" that makes her scum

Oh I forgot about Isis, yes that read is legitimate regardless, since page 1 even

pls share isis read in more detail, cuz im not seeing what ure seeing. without using the words "good" or "bad" thanku

ALSO

pls share the town reads

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I liked the PP engaged with me, not going to try to read NM seriously but feels town tbh, Bambi seems good too. But too early for strong town reads.

ok sorry ignore that last part in my prev post, thank u murder hehe

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WERE SUPPOSED TO RP DETECTIVES

i think the first step we have to take to achieve that is lynch not mafia and then we can focus

i could vote this too

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Lost and Dongempire should both have wagons on them

I can help u get a dongempire wagon

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VOTE: dong

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on one hand i am upset the day ended early with the quick hammer

on the other hand i feel like if it didn't it would be another 5 days of fluff

more of the first hand tho

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Lost I love fluff posting we are sworn enemies now

I don't h8 it, it's just a bit excessive right now. I don't play mafia to fluff post

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this is hilarious, but since the thread isnt locked yet, maybe we can stop having a collective conniption and instead try to analyze/find some scum?

that would be nice, but it's not gonna happen.

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lost was on all three major wagons today, pretty early on, but in each case it was apparent a wagon was gonna take off.

what can i say, i love being on wagons

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genius i can't tell if you're serious in all your posts right now

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genius i can't tell if you're serious in all your posts right now

I am a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

ure a chuunibyou

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GamingGamer

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VOTE: norway

why

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In anticipation of you asking again - because it’s the best 1 vote wagon from the vc atm.

what's wrong with the rest

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And I legitimately gave my reasoning. I don't understand why people don't read my stuff where I say stuff and know what stuff I say as stuff.

is your reasoning "he's scum because he didn't say he's town"?

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In anticipation of you asking again - because it’s the best 1 vote wagon from the vc atm.

what's wrong with the rest

I townread them to greater degrees.

including bob?

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In anticipation of you asking again - because it’s the best 1 vote wagon from the vc atm.

what's wrong with the rest

I townread them to greater degrees.

including bob?

bob has the ability to obvtown himself and hasn’t had the opportunity.

if u could wagon anyone other than mwnn who would it be

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quack

t r a g e d y

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Norway

OOPS mistypes

if you could wagon anyone other than norway who would it be

or would the answer still be norway

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until i figure out where i want my vote, i'll just choochoo

VOTE: norway

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i agree.

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until i figure out where i want my vote, i'll just choochoo

VOTE: norway

so if penguin thinks someone is scummy thats good enough for you? why is PP town?

yes, this game is too filled with fluff and meta reads that i can only resort to wagons to get any sort of reaction from players.

where's bob btw, would love to hear his thoughts soon

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until i figure out where i want my vote, i'll just choochoo

VOTE: norway

so if penguin thinks someone is scummy thats good enough for you? why is PP town?

yes, this game is too filled with fluff and meta reads that i can only resort to wagons to get any sort of reaction from players.

where's bob btw, would love to hear his thoughts soon

but why this particular wagon? and why sheep PP?

there's literally no other wagon, nor is there any other wagon PP was interested in

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also i don't have a solid read on PP, but i'm inclined to think he's town just out of gut.

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PP what do you want to see from Norwegian? Willing to put a vote there, but don't want to put a 4th atm (for obvi reasons).

Town needs to start making progress now that we have info, still seems like a lotta nothin going on

I guess penguin is gone so here's my suggestion, a read for everyone in the player list to give us something to talk about

who is this for

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also i don't have a solid read on PP, but i'm inclined to think he's town just out of gut.

so you dont have any scumreads to try and start a wagon on? and your strongest townread is a "meh, gut"?

VOTE: lost

when did i ever say my strongest townread was PP?

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also why are you even voting me lmao

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The ether I guess

so bob then? man would love to hear his thoughts

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well if you had a scumread presumably youd just go vote them. and if you're gonna sheep someone presumably its your top townread? its not like PP presented a great case for why norway is scum. i dunno, if im wrong walk me through whats going on in your head.

you entered day 2 without voting anybody, called out a bunch of omgus votes, proceed to call omgus scummy, and then not vote any of those omgus voters, nor did you follow up on your D1 scum reads. come on tayl0r, you're just as clueless in this game as i am.

i have people i think are scum, but i don't have anything concrete. this whole game is 5 pages of content and 20 pages of fluff, gut reads are the best thing i have. i don't have the skill, experience, or meta to read anybody in this playerlist.

i will continue to wagon because i am town, and all i have is my vote. and my vote on a wagon is the where it can be felt strongest, UNTIL i find scum to put my vote on.

i don't care if PP is town or scum, he started a wagon. i'll hop on until i find something worth poking more at.

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yay top

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i dont know why youre sheeping PP when you could be sheeping bob

oh trust me i will sheep bob once bob gives me something to sheep

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yeah but the difference is that i pointed out some things, even if they were weak, and then asked them to elaborate, which will ideally create some content when people reply. and i was clueless, but rather than just sheeping someone else and absolving myself of responsibility while looking like i was joining a wagon and solving, i posted some things and asked some questions until i found a vote.

and i still see an inconsistency between a) sheeping PP and b) not having PP as top townread.
i feel like if youre gonna sheep someone, you should be confident that theyre town.

who are people you think are scum and why?

i have also been asking questions and looking for explanations? also i'm not absolving myself of responsibility, nor would i rly call my vote sheeping PP. he barely gave me anything to sheep. as you can see right now, i'm not hiding my vote behind "because PP said so" or behind a "PP is town therefore his vote is right" or any other bs. i'm clear with my reasons for the vote, it's up to you whether or not you want to believe it, and up to you if that makes me town or scum.

i don't need to sheep a top townread, i only need a good case to sheep. also, i'm not sheeping PP. at day start, there were 4 people with 1 vote on them. PP made one of the wagons 2 votes big. i want to wagon, obviously i'd join the biggest one.

i wouldn't say i think these ppl are scum, but by poe i think scum should be in {gamer, mwnn, norway, bob, bambi}. the rest being kinda town, with varying degrees of confidence.

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bob has the skill, experience, and meta to read anybody in this playerlist.

gee golly hope he shows up soon then!

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what's going on

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the rest being kinda town, with varying degrees of confidence.

Why?

gut + I probably seen some posts or had some interactions that I liked

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what's going on

Dearie me, you appear to be quite lost don’t you?

that's why i picked this name to being with

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Geniusgamer

Actually i might like Murdercat less.

cat feels town to me, what is it you're seeing

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{nm, taylor, gg}

me thinks

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UNVOTE:

hmmmm

can someone sell the pp scumcase to me

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I'd like to hear from lost and anyone else who hasn't posted about GG

probably scum

also gotta leave this here while i catch up.

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I'd like to hear from lost and anyone else who hasn't posted about GG

probably scum

also gotta leave this here while i catch up.

How... unsubstantial. I feel insulted by the fact that your read on me is not a 10-page psychological analysis.

it's more substantial than your bambi case that's for sure

let me read posts i'm 10 pages behind

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Pro Tip: I don’t really find it helpful to post before you’ve caught up. Also, I don’t think you’re in a position to call my posting unsubstantial when you have under 100 — actually, I’ll be generous — 75 posts at this point in the game.

i'll post when i want to

post count != post value

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hi murder im caught up what do u wna hear

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murder can to talk to me about GG please. i thought he was scum now i am unsure

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The dynamics around the wagon make me feel weird but I don't know I feel like I haven't seen anything that makes me doubt me read. Hence why I am desperate for GG to give me something if they are truly town. I do not want to flip a town GG today, same as NM I think it would not be very informative.

weird in what way? the people on the wagon or the speed or?

also who do you see being scum with gg

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I could see NM scum with GG. Or anyone who just hasn't commented or gave a probably scum and left it at that

you mentioned something about nm coaching gg but didn't quote/link it. can you share more on that

also who's the 3rd

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I feel like no one is really pushing GG which makes me feel more confident, but no one is really defending him, which makes me wonder if scum is just waiting to see if we commit on it. This is all separate from the actual play of GG which looks very scummy to me.

nobody pushing gg makes you more confident?

also in reply to 1147: yes, some example would be nice

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Also no guarantee my feels will be the same after looking closely

that's fair

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PP is an example of someone who could be waiting and watching

are you naming pp as the third scum, or just naming pp as one of the potential 3rd scum because of the way he postures himself wrt gg

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lawl
Lost can you can call any iso insubstantial that you want to

can you untypo this for me i can't decipher

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Somewhere near the divide between scumminess and towniness, on the scummy side.

I'd be interested in a general grouping along the lines of but with more separation if you think it warrants it:

{bob}
{everyone else?}
{bambi, taylor, NM}

interesting that gg is absent from this list. why is it that the person you're voting and is currently discussed didnt make it into the scumpile... hmmm

that's gg's list, not murder's

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PP is an example of someone who could be waiting and watching

are you naming pp as the third scum, or just naming pp as one of the potential 3rd scum because of the way he postures himself wrt gg

The later, man with no name is someone else who could be doing the same thing

mwnn has been on v/la, i think that plays a part in his activity and involvement, no?

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Spoiler:

Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much

You think Isis is scum?

See, that’s not what I said. You people would make great sleazy politicians that are secretly working with the mafia to mislim people.

I did not say she is scum. I did not say I think she’s scum. I think she’s more likely to be scum than town.

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

Really? I don’t think Isis was really playing that terribly. She talked a lot about what the hider should do and have a few reads as well. I, for one,

welcome our new insect overlords

think that Isis is probably town.

pretty sure this is simply a scum!gamer forgetting his own read manufactures and scumslipping. He was discussing day1 posts here, the same ones that were all he had to work with when he stated this read before.
can't really indulge NM's desire to be amused with something this clear and obvious. VOTE: GG

general acknowledgment that this seems bad

heres another post where it seems like you just want to be on the record saying how bad gg is

what would be the problem with that

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Can i just state for the record that i think Taylors take on Murdercat is really bad in these latest posts?

agree with you on that

what are your top 3 votes for today?

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As of right now, Geniusgamer/Penguin/Taylor
In no particular order of preference.

do you see gg bussing tayl0r even though he doesn't have to?

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taking top too

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what value have you contributed? could you post your readlist for me? who is the scummiest person to you and why?

this is hilarious from the man that just went "can someone remind me of my scumreads"

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pick 1 question out of the 3 and i'll answer that

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who is the scummiest person and why?

ooof that's tough

i'd say gg. give me a while to pull some concrete stuff together

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I think Swift is towny
1178 could be that super fancy cognitive load tell I've heard about since it's illogical shade when Taylor's earlier post was a joke. I have yet to try messing with that dark magic (the way it's been explained to me is scum are more likely to misinterpret a joke because they've got more stuff on their mind due to being scum)

fancy indeed. share the swift townread?

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spicy take. scummy player says the most widely scumread player is probably scum but has to go find reasons because he doesnt have any.

im kinda twisting words here, but... is that the best you can do?

who is the second scummiest player to you and why then? i dont really care how you read gg. everyone is skeptical of gg, so theres not a whole lot to be learned about your unique thoughts there.

gotta give it to you on at the first one. i know that i'm not very towny atm, and calling the scummiest player my scummiest read doesn't help my case.

but...it iz what it iz.

the second is kind of a toss up between you and nm. bambi/isis/mwnn are kinda in a grey area

also are you serious about that last part, cuz i typed out a whole lot of stuff about gg but if you don't want it i'll just close the tab

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im kinda twisting words here, but... is that the best you can do?

also what's this supposed to mean? is my best supposed to be me pulling out some new scumread that no one else has seen yet and claim it to be my top scumread? cuz that's some "look guys i'm town i have unique reads that other players don't have i must be scumhunting so well" bs

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I want to read your thoughts lost

ok cool give me a few more minutes i'll finish typing it hehe

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the second is kind of a toss up between you and nm. bambi/isis/mwnn are kinda in a grey area

for clarity, but not entirely accurate, merely to serve as a rough gauge:

gg > tayl0r > nm > isis > bambi > mwnn

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You townread ManWithNoName? Why?

i do not. he's null, though i do have him slotted closer to the town side of things just out of gut/tonal. his v/la meant that he hasn't had a lot of participation in the last few pages, and so i don't have anything impressionable from him for me to think town/scum.

are you asking me this because you think he's scum, or because you're curious

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my gg read is somewhat influenced by his playstyle and some premature associative tells, before you finish reading and mention these to me. i am aware.

i'm going to gloss over d1 content, but playstyle wise already felt weird. the relatively new join date does indicate he's new to the site, though he states himself he's not new to mafia. if anything he claims he has lots of experience playing, so it always bothers me why he approaches the game so rigidly. if he's new i would expect confusion, if he has had experience i'd expect him to adapt. his unwillingness to, i'm going to use this liberally, "play along" strikes me as scum trying to stick to a formula that he's used to, which includes the usual scumhunting emulation, trying to subtly towntell, always being on topic etcetc.

of course, this extends beyond his d1 play.

d2 wise he starts off with the nm push that he had since d1, backing it up with the lolhammer and lack of participation(195, 405, leading to 683) when there was basically little to no content end d1, therefore nm's lack of participation isn't that horrible, and the lolhammer is too lazy of a scumtell. people lolhammer as scum and as town. rejecting meta to continue pushing his reads. it's all too textbooky for this game, and as town there isn't any reason to be this way if you genuinely want to figure stuff out.

initial bambi vote is just horrible. some intentionally not playing well stuff because bambi was fooling around, which escalated into some argument, and somehow from that he concluded, and still thinks, bambi is scum. literally none of the bambi's posts that he had issues with related to the gamestate(jokes and some site meta).

the additional points subsequent bambi case wasn't that good either. his reference to 190 is NAI. the flipflop on the isis read, as pointed out before, just seems convenient for him to put his bambi case together. something about bambi bussing isis too which doesn't even make sense, because the bambi's psots about isis drunk posting have no relation to bambi bussing isis...bambi wasn't even voting isis? throwing out buzzwords trying to make something legit. this ties back in with my thoughts on his rigid playstyle. adding in 1014 to the case, anybody can flip from cracking jokes to providing a legitimate response. he says this as though if bambi started joking around that she should continue joking around. if someone responded properly to a joke i made calling it alignment indicative somehow, why wouldn't i respond seriously?

now i will state for the record that i do think tayl0r could be scum also, and gg's scumread on tayl0r does have me second guessing my gg scumread a bit. on one hand he has no reason to bus tayl0r unless it's a distancing thing that he decided when the game started. on the other hand, he never really explains the tayl0r read until late into the game(late being like a few posts back). and even when he does promise the tayl0r scumread, he pushes it off and doesn't deliver much. seems like he wants to create the distance between himself and tayl0r but doesn't really bother because, if somehow tayl0r does get eliminated, scum gets weaker.

i recognize that this tayl0r section is incredibly associative, but it iz what it iz

but speaking of tayl0r let's look at his tayl0r case:
talks about 32, not alignment indicative
talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

the issues with this is that, despite him having mentioned the tayl0r scumread multiple times, these 2 posts are all he comes up with. not to mention that the only thing he brought up from d1 was 32, and he's had the tayl0r read since he started. on top of that, it was a pretty lazy case despite him having work on it for quite a while. tayl0r read is probably fake, be it bussing or just picking a player to scumread for scumhunting's sake.

moving on from his scumreads to his town(?)reads. they're not really townreads but whatever his terminology is weird.

his bob read makes no sense. looks like a scum buddying up to a somewhat universally townread player. listens to nm-meta justifications from bob but not bambi and pp(if i rmb these names correctly) despite him previously throwing a tantrum over meta. i'm not sure if think is white-knighting or buddying, i think it's buddying.

there's also the townread on himself which is kind of lol. i think this is more of a him/playstyle thing and not super alignment indicative, but:
1056 his own towncase on himself has 0 towntells. him acknowledging that he does these as scum help his case less. claiming he has even townier things that he wouldn't do as scum under his "many other actions i will omit" and then never stating them. pretty bad, not really scummy, but doesn't help him look good. nor is it something he would do as town to engage and convince people.


tl;dr:
reads are poorly supported, lazy. typical scum emulating scumhunting kind of reads. never really bothers to look beyond textbook tells, which imo are important with this playerlist.
rigid playstyle makes me think scum sticking to his format, as opposed to if he were town and being able to adapt and not worry about getting caught.

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ok that's enough typing for now, i'll be back on later.

also i think i forgot to include this, but if his tayl0r case was indeed rushed, then i'm looking forward to what he has tomorrow.

my gg read and tayl0r read are individual scumreads, but it's when i think of both of them being scum that i get unsure about the dynamic they have going on. also, despite where i have tayl0r in my scumlist, i am curious about why you guys read her as town @isis @norway

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are you asking me this because you think he's scum, or because you're curious

I don't really remember anything to townread him for, so i was curious why you kept him to high up the list there.

him talking to murder about murder's pp vote felt town, but that's about all i rly rmb of him

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I'm wavering on my Taylor townread a bit. Since I know norwee posted his townread earnestly and definitely wasn't trolling me I will let him answer

will you answer after he does? if you do, can you also explain why you posture your reads based on norwee's so much

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my gg read is somewhat influenced by his playstyle and some premature associative tells, before you finish reading and mention these to me. i am aware.

i'm going to gloss over d1 content, but playstyle wise already felt weird. the relatively new join date does indicate he's new to the site, though he states himself he's not new to mafia. if anything he claims he has lots of experience playing, so it always bothers me why he approaches the game so rigidly. if he's new i would expect confusion, if he has had experience i'd expect him to adapt. his unwillingness to, i'm going to use this liberally, "play along" strikes me as scum trying to stick to a formula that he's used to, which includes the usual scumhunting emulation, trying to subtly towntell, always being on topic etcetc.

of course, this extends beyond his d1 play.

d2 wise he starts off with the nm push that he had since d1, backing it up with the lolhammer and lack of participation(195, 405, leading to 683) when there was basically little to no content end d1, therefore nm's lack of participation isn't that horrible, and the lolhammer is too lazy of a scumtell. people lolhammer as scum and as town. rejecting meta to continue pushing his reads. it's all too textbooky for this game, and as town there isn't any reason to be this way if you genuinely want to figure stuff out.

initial bambi vote is just horrible. some intentionally not playing well stuff because bambi was fooling around, which escalated into some argument, and somehow from that he concluded, and still thinks, bambi is scum. literally none of the bambi's posts that he had issues with related to the gamestate(jokes and some site meta).

the additional points subsequent bambi case wasn't that good either. his reference to 190 is NAI. the flipflop on the isis read, as pointed out before, just seems convenient for him to put his bambi case together. something about bambi bussing isis too which doesn't even make sense, because the bambi's psots about isis drunk posting have no relation to bambi bussing isis...bambi wasn't even voting isis? throwing out buzzwords trying to make something legit. this ties back in with my thoughts on his rigid playstyle. adding in 1014 to the case, anybody can flip from cracking jokes to providing a legitimate response. he says this as though if bambi started joking around that she should continue joking around. if someone responded properly to a joke i made calling it alignment indicative somehow, why wouldn't i respond seriously?

now i will state for the record that i do think tayl0r could be scum also, and gg's scumread on tayl0r does have me second guessing my gg scumread a bit. on one hand he has no reason to bus tayl0r unless it's a distancing thing that he decided when the game started. on the other hand, he never really explains the tayl0r read until late into the game(late being like a few posts back). and even when he does promise the tayl0r scumread, he pushes it off and doesn't deliver much. seems like he wants to create the distance between himself and tayl0r but doesn't really bother because, if somehow tayl0r does get eliminated, scum gets weaker.

i recognize that this tayl0r section is incredibly associative, but it iz what it iz

but speaking of tayl0r let's look at his tayl0r case:
talks about 32, not alignment indicative
talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

the issues with this is that, despite him having mentioned the tayl0r scumread multiple times, these 2 posts are all he comes up with. not to mention that the only thing he brought up from d1 was 32, and he's had the tayl0r read since he started. on top of that, it was a pretty lazy case despite him having work on it for quite a while. tayl0r read is probably fake, be it bussing or just picking a player to scumread for scumhunting's sake.

moving on from his scumreads to his town(?)reads. they're not really townreads but whatever his terminology is weird.

his bob read makes no sense. looks like a scum buddying up to a somewhat universally townread player. listens to nm-meta justifications from bob but not bambi and pp(if i rmb these names correctly) despite him previously throwing a tantrum over meta. i'm not sure if think is white-knighting or buddying, i think it's buddying.

there's also the townread on himself which is kind of lol. i think this is more of a him/playstyle thing and not super alignment indicative, but:
1056 his own towncase on himself has 0 towntells. him acknowledging that he does these as scum help his case less. claiming he has even townier things that he wouldn't do as scum under his "many other actions i will omit" and then never stating them. pretty bad, not really scummy, but doesn't help him look good. nor is it something he would do as town to engage and convince people.


tl;dr:
reads are poorly supported, lazy. typical scum emulating scumhunting kind of reads. never really bothers to look beyond textbook tells, which imo are important with this playerlist.
rigid playstyle makes me think scum sticking to his format, as opposed to if he were town and being able to adapt and not worry about getting caught.

I am new to this site. That’s true. So why don’t I express confusion often? I don’t know, maybe because there are places like the wiki to read! In fact, I

did

ask what hypoclaiming is in my very first post in this game, as that term wasn’t used in any of the places I’ve played mafia or the wiki.

when i talk about you being new, i'm not talking about not knowing the lingo. i'm talking about how you approach gameplay. not sure why you brought this up.

I think there are two parts to my play style that make you think it’s “rigid”. One part of my play style that’s bothering you isn’t “rigid,” per se. It’s more like, “There are certain, very special things that will let you as scum to me with near certainty.” Some of them include (in order of most scummy to least): Lolhammering, outright refusing to cooperate, and not going after your strongest reads. I find those to be serious offenses.

i agree that refusing to cooperate is scummy. i don't agree that not going after your strongest reads is scummy. i will concede that the latter point can be scummy depending on context. that aside, saying isnt “There are certain, very special things that will let you as scum to me with near certainty.” the same as being rigid?

You’re trying to convince me that a lolhammer is a lazy scumtell? So if [insert your strongest row read here] hammered someone as soon as that person was at E-1, you wouldn’t express suspicion towards the former? I don’t believe that.

what does nm have to gain by lolhammering so early? sure he can remove a player he knows to be town, but that player just had a wagon grow on him. he didn't have to lolhammer, we could have mislynched dong on our own. even worse, if dong and flipped pr i would think the we would be less dismissive about the lolhammer. the lolhammer draws extra suspicion, he doesn't need that as scum.

getting rid of a townie aside, the next best gain is inhibiting discussion, but there was barely any going on anyway.

i don't see scum nm lolhammering. not that i can see town nm lolhammering either, given the risk of hitting pr, but given d1 progress and his very unusual playstyle, i'm inclined to think the lolhammer was townnm and not scumnm.

Again, I brushed off a vague claim of “5 years of meta” that tried to excuse everything Not_Mafia did. If someone had actually decided to be specific and bring up an example, which Bob eventually did, I would have considered the meta. Not that anything can

fully

excuse someone from doing all that stuff.

the fact that your first thought is to dismiss rather than to inquire speaks volumes about how you approach the game. on 2 separate occasions people bring up meta, on both of these occasions you brush them off, only until someone bothers to give you something more specific. why didn't you ask for something more concrete in the first place? small actions like this don't help your case, if anything they add to the scumminess, because you can choose to ignore meta and tunnel only until someone bothers to bring up the evidence, then you have to step back.

Let me make this joke thing really clear from my point of view.

If you want to joke, you should do it in a way that makes very clear the fact that you’re joking

. I still don’t think Bambi was joking. No, I don’t think you have to put large red text stating “this is a joke”. No, I don’t think you even have to put it in a spoiler. But Bambi’s post just didn’t look at all like a joke. It did not look at all like someone defending a joke they made. It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

allow me to quote the series of posts leading up to the post you claim to not be joking:

Spoiler: series of posts

@Bambi Jay can you play the game and place your vote :/

I could. Or I could not. The choice is mine.

But honestly if my vote was on someone it'd probably be Pengu right now. His town list of Bob NoName and Notmaf feels less like that's who he truly town reads and more people he can pocket for later.

So why isn't your vote on anyone?

Because Norway said I should and I'm rebelling against the country now for telling me what to do. Blame it for me not voting.

1. bambi is obviously cooperating to some degree. norwee asks her to vote, bambi says she could or couldnt or whatever, but still provides her who she would vote. and gives some reasoning for it.
2. nm was the one that pushed her further regarding her non-voting. thus i don't expect her response to be serious, leading to the "rebelling against the country" response
3. subsequently we get 791 and 793. 791 continues the point of "please play and put your vote", 793 is just another "i could, or i couldnt"

however point number 1 proves that, while she chooses not too vote, she is still providing her top vote choice and supporting it somehow. this makes me think that she isn't really serious in her lack of cooperation.

whether or not you think it's joking or not is up to you. i don't think this is a slip in any way, nor do i think it's scummy. i agree, intentionally not cooperating is something scum would want to do to inhibit scumhunting, but she contributed her reads. she merely decided not to put her vote down. your response came shortly after, if you had not posted and let the interaction continue she may have voted eventually (as she did in 801. i dont see her response as "being caught". at this point in the game your dislike of jokes is apparent. being upset for being called out for a joke is just frustration, not alignment indicative.

I’d have been voted out before Dong was if I played the way people on some sites do.. I’m trying to get used to the particular way Mafia is played here, so

of course

my gameplay is “textbooky”. “Textbooks” give you all the relevant information you need to play the game, and I’d rather be informed but “rigid” than uninformed and flexible. I’m eschewing flexibility, social bonding, and learning along the way in favor of more efficient scumhunting and having a general understanding of the way mafia is played here.

You did

not

just accuse me of using buzzwords. You have got to be kidding me. Bussing does not

have

to be one partner voting the other. Bussing is

scum distancing themselves from one another

. This includes general claims of suspicion. I feel personally insulted that you would even consider accusing me of using buzzwords without even understanding the word you claim I’m using as a buzzword. I also feel insulted that you would stoop so low as to accuse me of throwing a tantrum about meta, both claiming that I had an outburst of anger and implying that my emotional control is at the level of a small child. This was clearly not the case.

Again, you’ve cherry-picked words and phrases to make me look bad. I did, in fact, include my going after N_M in the “things I will omit” section. How coincidental that you somehow missed that.

Are you implying that I’m unable to create good reads without a mountain of evidence? Unless you also missed that by complete chance, I cited an instance from my previous game in which a single slip from a scum player caused a town player to go after them, culminating in a scum elimination. I also believe that people are more likely to reveal themselves in a particular moment rather than over time. You conveniently forgot to address that point of mine.

I start the game with a townread on everybody. Once they do something scummy, their towniness is knocked down a certain amount based on their infraction. Since Bob has contributed, not done anything scummy, and given good reads that I generally agree with, I townread him. I guess you missed that as well when I explained it earlier.

Your case against me is full of cherry-picked information made with the intent of agreeing with the majority of players. This sticks out to me as confirmation bias at best, and scum trying to agree with the town at worst. Perhaps you should actually read my previous rebuttals before making such a poorly written case.[/quote]

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oh fuck i hit send prematurely i'm not done editing that please ignore it.

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completed response to gg in spoiler VVVV

Spoiler: i'm gna spoiler my response because my case, the following replies quoting it, and my premature reply are all long and flooding the page

I am new to this site. That’s true. So why don’t I express confusion often? I don’t know, maybe because there are places like the wiki to read! In fact, I

did

ask what hypoclaiming is in my very first post in this game, as that term wasn’t used in any of the places I’ve played mafia or the wiki.

when i talk about you being new, i'm not talking about not knowing the lingo. i'm talking about how you approach gameplay. not sure why you brought this up.

I think there are two parts to my play style that make you think it’s “rigid”. One part of my play style that’s bothering you isn’t “rigid,” per se. It’s more like, “There are certain, very special things that will let you as scum to me with near certainty.” Some of them include (in order of most scummy to least): Lolhammering, outright refusing to cooperate, and not going after your strongest reads. I find those to be serious offenses.

i agree that refusing to cooperate is scummy. i don't agree that not going after your strongest reads is scummy. i will concede that the latter point can be scummy depending on context. that aside, saying isnt “There are certain, very special things that will let you as scum to me with near certainty.” the same as being rigid?

You’re trying to convince me that a lolhammer is a lazy scumtell? So if [insert your strongest row read here] hammered someone as soon as that person was at E-1, you wouldn’t express suspicion towards the former? I don’t believe that.

what does nm have to gain by lolhammering so early? sure he can remove a player he knows to be town, but that player just had a wagon grow on him. he didn't have to lolhammer, we could have mislynched dong on our own. even worse, if dong and flipped pr i would think the we would be less dismissive about the lolhammer. the lolhammer draws extra suspicion, he doesn't need that as scum.

getting rid of a townie aside, the next best gain is inhibiting discussion, but there was barely any going on anyway.

i don't see scum nm lolhammering. not that i can see town nm lolhammering either, given the risk of hitting pr, but given d1 progress and his very unusual playstyle, i'm inclined to think the lolhammer was townnm and not scumnm.

Again, I brushed off a vague claim of “5 years of meta” that tried to excuse everything Not_Mafia did. If someone had actually decided to be specific and bring up an example, which Bob eventually did, I would have considered the meta. Not that anything can

fully

excuse someone from doing all that stuff.

the fact that your first thought is to dismiss rather than to inquire speaks volumes about how you approach the game. on 2 separate occasions people bring up meta, on both of these occasions you brush them off, only until someone bothers to give you something more specific. why didn't you ask for something more concrete in the first place? small actions like this don't help your case, if anything they add to the scumminess, because you can choose to ignore meta and tunnel only until someone bothers to bring up the evidence, then you have to step back.

Let me make this joke thing really clear from my point of view.

If you want to joke, you should do it in a way that makes very clear the fact that you’re joking

. I still don’t think Bambi was joking. No, I don’t think you have to put large red text stating “this is a joke”. No, I don’t think you even have to put it in a spoiler. But Bambi’s post just didn’t look at all like a joke. It did not look at all like someone defending a joke they made. It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

allow me to quote the series of posts leading up to the post you claim to not be joking:

@Bambi Jay can you play the game and place your vote :/

I could. Or I could not. The choice is mine.

But honestly if my vote was on someone it'd probably be Pengu right now. His town list of Bob NoName and Notmaf feels less like that's who he truly town reads and more people he can pocket for later.

So why isn't your vote on anyone?

Because Norway said I should and I'm rebelling against the country now for telling me what to do. Blame it for me not voting.

1. bambi is obviously cooperating to some degree. norwee asks her to vote, bambi says she could or couldnt or whatever, but still provides her who she would vote. and gives some reasoning for it.
2. nm was the one that pushed her further regarding her non-voting. thus i don't expect her response to be serious, leading to the "rebelling against the country" response
3. subsequently we get 791 and 793. 791 continues the point of "please play and put your vote", 793 is just another "i could, or i couldnt"

however point number 1 proves that, while she chooses not too vote, she is still providing her top vote choice and supporting it somehow. this makes me think that she isn't really serious in her lack of cooperation.

whether or not you think it's joking or not is up to you. i don't think this is a slip in any way, nor do i think it's scummy. i agree, intentionally not cooperating is something scum would want to do to inhibit scumhunting, but she contributed her reads. she merely decided not to put her vote down. your response came shortly after, if you had not posted and let the interaction continue she may have voted eventually (as she did in 801. i dont see her response as "being caught". at this point in the game your dislike of jokes is apparent. being upset for being called out for a joke is just frustration, not alignment indicative.

I’d have been voted out before Dong was if I played the way people on some sites do.. I’m trying to get used to the particular way Mafia is played here, so

of course

my gameplay is “textbooky”. “Textbooks” give you all the relevant information you need to play the game, and I’d rather be informed but “rigid” than uninformed and flexible. I’m eschewing flexibility, social bonding, and learning along the way in favor of more efficient scumhunting and having a general understanding of the way mafia is played here.

i don't recall every calling your play textbooky, only that you use textbook tells, which i don't think will prove very effective with our playerlist.

You did

not

just accuse me of using buzzwords. You have got to be kidding me. Bussing does not

have

to be one partner voting the other. Bussing is

scum distancing themselves from one another

. This includes general claims of suspicion. I feel personally insulted that you would even consider accusing me of using buzzwords without even understanding the word you claim I’m using as a buzzword. I also feel insulted that you would stoop so low as to accuse me of throwing a tantrum about meta, both claiming that I had an outburst of anger and implying that my emotional control is at the level of a small child. This was clearly not the case.

sure, you don't need to vote to bus. sure, you don't need to full out scumread 2 people to think one is bussing the other, as long as you somewhat suspect both of them to be scum. but bambi calling out isis for drunk posting does not distance her from isis. what she's doing is explaining isis actions for her, claiming that isis is drunk posting and thus should be taken less seriously/with a grain of salt yadayada. if you suspect them both, wouldn't it be bambi trying to cover for isis, rather than bussing her?

Again, you’ve cherry-picked words and phrases to make me look bad. I did, in fact, include my going after N_M in the “things I will omit” section. How coincidental that you somehow missed that.

ah yes, thank you for cherry picking out your 1 action of going after nm out of the "many, many other actions" that you have omitted. also, saying that "if i were scum i wouldn't do this" doesn't make me think "oh yeah he's right about himself he's gotta be town". also, even if your buddies told you to stop that doesn't mean you can just stop tunneling on nm.

Are you implying that I’m unable to create good reads without a mountain of evidence? Unless you also missed that by complete chance, I cited an instance from my previous game in which a single slip from a scum player caused a town player to go after them, culminating in a scum elimination. I also believe that people are more likely to reveal themselves in a particular moment rather than over time. You conveniently forgot to address that point of mine.

well i would think you need some evidence to back up a good read. you address like 2-3 posts every case, that's not helpful to convince others of your reads, and definitely doesn't help discussion of any sort.

also yeah, i read that instance. not sure why it matters though, you're just bringing up an instance, i'm assuming, you saw play out to bring up a scumtell. you could have just brought up the scumtell imo.

also yes, i read that "reveal themselves" thing you mentioned. in fact i address it here:

talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

youre a pretty selective reader arentcha

I start the game with a townread on everybody. Once they do something scummy, their towniness is knocked down a certain amount based on their infraction. Since Bob has contributed, not done anything scummy, and given good reads that I generally agree with, I townread him. I guess you missed that as well when I explained it earlier.

i feel like this is the first time you outright declare you townread bob. you've only ever claimed, and clarified, to trust bob, like in 879, 993, and 1099 where you explicitly call bob trustworthy while townreading yourself. so where exactly is this townread that i'm missing?

Your case against me is full of cherry-picked information made with the intent of agreeing with the majority of players. This sticks out to me as confirmation bias at best, and scum trying to agree with the town at worst. Perhaps you should actually read my previous rebuttals before making such a poorly written case.

meanwhile i have this strong impression of you cherry picking posts to respond to, like i will demonstrate shortly after posting this. also trust me, i've read all your previous rebuttals many times.

tl;dr nothing changed i still think gg is scum

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You said a newbie would be confused. I provided an example of me being confused due to not having played on this site often. What is your point there?

confusion not in lingo and mafia definitions, but confusion in "what the fuck are these players doing what the fuck are they talking about why do these people play mafia this way"

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For when you finish reading my essay: Lost, who would you like to be eliminated today? Please give at least 2 or 3 people.

the second is kind of a toss up between you and nm. bambi/isis/mwnn are kinda in a grey area

for clarity, but not entirely accurate, merely to serve as a rough gauge:

gg > tayl0r > nm > isis > bambi > mwnn

just the most recent, but also relevant, of selective reading/cherry picking things to response to. you're only concerned with the case or things to latch on to. you ask to look useful, when i had already given my readlist very recently.

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also i'm moving to mobile now, i may continue to reply, but gg if you reply to my wall, know that i'm either ignoring it or replying it very briefly because i don't like formatting on mobile.

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tops

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gg is at e-1 btw

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gg is at e-1 btw

Or rly?

You have no idea how much my lol hammer senses are tingling. NotMaf is using the force on me.

I can't resist much longer.

don't. id like more out of this game day.

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dang is it opposite day today?

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anw Bambi what are ur reads

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N_M obviously has a lot to gain as scum by lolhammering. It is very possible that Dong could have talked things out and convinced the majority of players of his towniness. N_M prevented that from happening, both cutting off discussion (there was, in fact, discussion going on at the time) and removing any chance of not miseliminating Dong.

there was, like i said before, barely any discussion. he has stuff to gain, i agree, but not a lot. scumnm has a lot more at risk and a lot more to lose.

Also, the whole PR thing doesn’t really make sense. Not_Mafia would be unable to know whether Dong was a PR or not with this setup, at that point in the game. If he was scum, all he’d know was that Dong was town. Therefore, whether he was town or scum, he was willing to take the risk of lolhammering. Either way, if Dong had been a PR,

this would result in him being eliminated

I would vote for him and everyone else would give him a free pass, because that’s what’s been happening so far.

you're more likely to lolhammer a pr as scum than if you were town, thus making it riskier, was what i was trying to get at.

No, I don’t consider that part of my strategy to be rigid. If someone claimed scum relatively seriously, refused to give reads, and hammered at every opportunity, wouldn’t you vote for them? And if you would, do you consider it rigid? I don’t. Instead, I consider it to be the only sensible course of action. Then again, it really depends on the person. If there’s a single intelligent reaction and you always do that reaction, is it rigidity, intelligence, or both? I personally just think it’s intelligence.

yes i would for that. no that's not rigid. this isnt an appropriate analogy. i agree that it depends on the person, that's the whole point of mafia. and because it depends on person, your reaction should never be the same. having the same reaction to the same action done by different people isn't intelligent. same point as the textbook tells

“Textbooky,” a phrase I used, is obviously not an English word. If it were, however, it would be synonymous with the adjective “textbook”. If you claim that I’m using textbook tells, you’re heavily implying that you’re calling my play textbook by extension.

you can have unorthodox, non textbook playstyle while still being rigid. what are you trying to accomplish by continuing arguing this point? focus on the more important things.

Also, if I did a single particular thing (viciously scumreading N_M), and I point out that single particular thing, how is it cherry-picking? That’s like me saying “I know what 1 + 1 is; it’s 2” followed by you saying “You’re cherry-picking information because you only gave one instance of what 1 + 1 is.”

you have, as you said "many, many others". you pick 1. post them all if you're really interested in helping the gamestate.

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Is there anything I missed? I’d be happy to shoot down more of your inaccuracies.

also i think i forgot to include this, but if his tayl0r case was indeed rushed, then i'm looking forward to what he has tomorrow.

the fact that your first thought is to dismiss rather than to inquire speaks volumes about how you approach the game. on 2 separate occasions people bring up meta, on both of these occasions you brush them off, only until someone bothers to give you something more specific. why didn't you ask for something more concrete in the first place? small actions like this don't help your case, if anything they add to the scumminess, because you can choose to ignore meta and tunnel only until someone bothers to bring up the evidence, then you have to step back.

1. bambi is obviously cooperating to some degree. norwee asks her to vote, bambi says she could or couldnt or whatever, but still provides her who she would vote. and gives some reasoning for it.
2. nm was the one that pushed her further regarding her non-voting. thus i don't expect her response to be serious, leading to the "rebelling against the country" response
3. subsequently we get 791 and 793. 791 continues the point of "please play and put your vote", 793 is just another "i could, or i couldnt"

however point number 1 proves that, while she chooses not too vote, she is still providing her top vote choice and supporting it somehow. this makes me think that she isn't really serious in her lack of cooperation.

whether or not you think it's joking or not is up to you. i don't think this is a slip in any way, nor do i think it's scummy. i agree, intentionally not cooperating is something scum would want to do to inhibit scumhunting, but she contributed her reads. she merely decided not to put her vote down. your response came shortly after, if you had not posted and let the interaction continue she may have voted eventually (as she did in 801. i dont see her response as "being caught". at this point in the game your dislike of jokes is apparent. being upset for being called out for a joke is just frustration, not alignment indicative.

sure, you don't need to vote to bus. sure, you don't need to full out scumread 2 people to think one is bussing the other, as long as you somewhat suspect both of them to be scum. but bambi calling out isis for drunk posting does not distance her from isis. what she's doing is explaining isis actions for her, claiming that isis is drunk posting and thus should be taken less seriously/with a grain of salt yadayada. if you suspect them both, wouldn't it be bambi trying to cover for isis, rather than bussing her?

also, even if your buddies told you to stop that doesn't mean you can just stop tunneling on nm.

well i would think you need some evidence to back up a good read. you address like 2-3 posts every case, that's not helpful to convince others of your reads, and definitely doesn't help discussion of any sort.

also yeah, i read that instance. not sure why it matters though, you're just bringing up an instance, i'm assuming, you saw play out to bring up a scumtell. you could have just brought up the scumtell imo.

also yes, i read that "reveal themselves" thing you mentioned. in fact i address it here:

well i would think you need some evidence to back up a good read. you address like 2-3 posts every case, that's not helpful to convince others of your reads, and definitely doesn't help discussion of any sort.

also yeah, i read that instance. not sure why it matters though, you're just bringing up an instance, i'm assuming, you saw play out to bring up a scumtell. you could have just brought up the scumtell imo.

also yes, i read that "reveal themselves" thing you mentioned. in fact i address it here:

talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

youre a pretty selective reader arentcha

i feel like this is the first time you outright declare you townread bob. you've only ever claimed, and clarified, to trust bob, like in 879, 993, and 1099 where you explicitly call bob trustworthy while townreading yourself. so where exactly is this townread that i'm missing?

For when you finish reading my essay: Lost, who would you like to be eliminated today? Please give at least 2 or 3 people.

the second is kind of a toss up between you and nm. bambi/isis/mwnn are kinda in a grey area

for clarity, but not entirely accurate, merely to serve as a rough gauge:

gg > tayl0r > nm > isis > bambi > mwnn

just the most recent, but also relevant, of selective reading/cherry picking things to response to. you're only concerned with the case or things to latch on to. you ask to look useful, when i had already given my readlist very recently.

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Still don't like Pengu, I can already tell I can't read Genius when he's my opposite and this is his first real game on site. You seem smart and slightly townie so I trust you.

my pp read is kinda in limbo until he posts again. don't rmb much from the slot except the recent mention of watching and waiting. can you share more about pp, and also more about your other scumreads? or townreads. share all of em

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I have seen nothing from GG that says he is town and yet it feels like this wagon is too easy if it's scum. Everyone is either on GG or is generally ok with the course of events so far. Definitely no hammer before we get MWNN input.

i like this post for various reasons and so i'm keeping this in my iso

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Is lost actually the slot that called himself dumb at the start of the game

uwu

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Prompting Bambi about Lost isn’t considered scumhunting?

Asking questions is easy building cases is hard

adding on to this, it's questions like the one in 1262 that are incredibly superficial and will probably warrant you nothing, especially because the answer is already apparent in 1258

dejavu it's the exact same thing i bring up in 1246

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actually the way murdercat is hard defending isis here makes me think that not only is isis a double-voter, but isis is a scum double-voter partnered with murdercat. its lunchtime people.

hard defending?

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oops

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something something cognitive load

your recent posts kinda suck. what's your current thoughts

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do you mean my recent posts where ive been shitposting?

BREAKING NEWS: LOST DECLARES THAT SHITPOSTS ARE GENERALLY INEFFECTIVE TOOLS FOR SCUMHUNTING

yes. so who's scum

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thats a good question. i still havent decided on GG. the case is kinda weak and noobtown is just as likely as noobscum to me. theres plenty of scumminess there, but im waiting for GG's next couple posts to make up my mind. you were my top scumread but i think youre town based on your responses to me yesterday. im more of a townhunter anyway, but i do feel weird about not really knowing where to even begin to push other than GG.

what's your definition of noon when you say noobtown and noobscum? gg has said he isn't new to mafia, only new to the site.

also which parts of the case are weak?

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to me isis lost and norwee are town.

isis also roleplays doublevoting scum with murdercat, but thats separate from her other role as a townie.

what about murder? also do you have a read on Bambi?

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can you recap the town and scum points for both of them please? preferably murder first, then Bambi.

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i actl meant linking/quoting the posts lol

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i actl meant linking/quoting the posts lol

that will have to wait until tomorrow. if i forget, remind me.

sure. do 1316 tmr too

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what are these easy for town/scum things you're referring to?

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ill be hammering between lunch and dinner 4 hours ish


So gamer its time to claim

there's no rush

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thanx murder for 1335, I'll look into it when i got more time

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Convinced GG is scum, ready to flip pending MWNN posts.

wait on pp too

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This is what kind of pinged me, I felt like NM was possibly still feeling out the noobtown angle and ultimately settled on bussing GG. Admittedly, this is the same progression we all had I think, but NM seemed to come to the conclusion later. Then when NM couldn't get hammering scum points he just voted normally? Not feeling really confident in that read as I said, but it did stick out to me. But this all depends on GG being scum (which I do feel more confident about now that he is stalling instead of flailing like I think noobtown would). I haven't bothered looking through NM's iso to get an independent read, but I do have a few thoughts about the posts relating to me. But there's no reason to focus on that now as I haven't even made up my own mind about them.

i like this. i take it that you went through and read nm's iso to put this together? did nm ever make any concise and specific mentions of somebody else's alignment the way he has called gg noobtown?

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Everyone fine with me hammering now. or do you want me to wait alittle longer

literally 3 posts said not to hammer but to wait

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UNVOTE:

phew

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it's been 5 and 10 minutes. it do b taking a long time to claim

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im bored, be back in 6 hours. don't hammer

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VOTE: gg

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call in 48* hours then

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cyall*

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sry murder mwnn and pp will have to wait

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probably 2 more in pp mwnn and nm

Bambi and Taylor im still unsure, but the above 3 feel better to me and so I'm gna have them as null

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hey norwee final read list before thread locks?

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I cri

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plis?

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thanks norwee I appreciate you

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Bambi Jay, Isis, Lost, Not_Mafia. You're all members of the townblock.
Bob3141, Penguinpower can be honorary members.

Tayl0r and ManWithNoName. I don't townread you two at all right now, so if you are town. Feel free to start convincing me who else would be scum ASAP.

why isis and nm townlbock

why not pp possible scum?

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Just a reminder that Norwegian is not actually mechanically cleared since GG was jail keeper. I also don't like the turnaround from Norway on PP slot, weren't you pushing him Day 2?

isn't gg alr dead?

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ok ignore my last post about gg being dead

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I am positive that Murder told us Bob didn't perform the N1 kill

whr is dis

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Because we just limmed a scum jailkeeper and Penguin was on the wagon early.

dk how i feel about this considering pp pretty much coasted much of late d2, whether intentionally or not, and so cld have just not been able to move the vote off etc

but i'm ok with that for now.

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Very opportunistic in my opinion and she had the scummy play with the weak excuse then of being drunk.

would like more evidence on that first part

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anyway the jk role pm in first post says it blocks all night actions but:

@mod: does jk block hider from hiding?

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sorry got busy but continuing my catchup

actually is there any reason bob doesn't just flip scum here?

part of me wants to twtbw the way he initially didn't want to join in on my push of GeniusGamer but

I think it could just be this cognitive thing where it is harder to speculate alongside me knowing the answers

. Whereas if he had a green rolecard it would be easier. So like, I think he was being earnest, but the earnestness is the problem.
To be clear that's the 20%, the 80% is the bizarre way GG described bob's slot, it looks awful, if he tied a townie to himself good job Genius you got some of the scum skills down pat

can u clarify bold

but i am also keen on a bob flip for the same reasons you share.

i also think mwnn is town, for whoever cares

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1: NotMaf was scum too so they didn't bother to save him and just went after another target. Doubtful.

2: They rather hunt for other PR besides me and didn't take the 2 for 1 kill attempt. Unlikely.

3: Norway knows he evil and knew I was lying so ignored my claim of him being innocent. More likely since I feel like Norway would've been a better kill there anyway from my claim.

4: the mafia tried to 4d chess me and thought I was gonna go down from Norway to Cat on the list because I went the opposite of up, not believing I'd be on NotMaf? Weird.

2 seems like a decent possibility over 3. i wouldn't rule 1 out as well. alternatives would include them seeing through your fakeclaim though, which i think is the most likely of all presented scenarios

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i don't like pp on 61 very lackluster but i hope for more content when he isn't drinking

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Its kind of hard to articulate but maybe a handwavey simplified way of saying it is that it's easier to TMI scumread your partner's than it is to understand and/or support a genuine uninformed argument that indicates your partner is scum

ok i kinda get what you're saying

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would vote:
Tayl0r Swift -> less likely now with ggscum. thought was scum from omgusing but no votes(similar to what gg said, which is what makes me think less likely to b scum now). also they way she engaged me over voting with pp was scummy, but subsequent interactions end d2 were alright.
bob3141 -> gg's "trustread" + some small d3 stuff. also skimmed his iso and doesn't look like he did much in this game so far, but will definitely look into more over gameday
Not_Mafia -> smth about not hammering gg immediately and doing that rainbow intent post, calling gg noobtown multiple times but not doing the same sort of explicit town/scum read on other slots.
PenguinPower -> i just need more content from this slot to decide

wouldn't vote:
ManWithNoName -> will forgive lack of content mid-end d2 cuz of v/la, mostly like his entry d3 posts
Bambi Jay -> inclined to think fake claiming hider is towny as shit
NorwegianboyEE -> i like for various reasons that aren't on the top of my head
Isis -> same as norwee + watching her use these fancy cognitive reads pings as either town rly reading and thinking or scum just trying to use fancy tells to look busy. i'm inclined to think the former
Lost -> is me

i would actually go for {bob, nm} and then {pp}, and then {tayl0r}

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man i miss murdercat already

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i also forgot to add that i thought that mwnn was probably town cuz of gg's twilight shitposting

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screw bob! what has bob ever done for us??? really? no one has any questions for me?

i have a question for you! do you have questions for anyone in the playerlist?

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would appreciate explaining all your reads and not just the scumreads

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youre obvtown. i can point to posts but is it really necessary?
isis is town for her interactions with myself and norwee. that mindset is always town.
norwee the same as isis.
MWNN has some solvy posts and few scummy posts. im least confident here. dont mind digging up posts if you insist, but im generally against detailed towncasing of people.

am curious to the scummy stuff of mwnn if that's available, however if it isn't from something endd2/earlyd3 then just pretend i never asked this.

PoE: NM is topscum for not immediately hammering. thats NM's whole shtick.
bob looks bad for interactions with GG, and a general lack of solving.
bambi: the claim looks bad to me. Did anyone buy that claim? I doubt it. it seems like it was designed to sow confusion and win townpoints with a bold play that realistically just risked drawing a CC or wasting a track.
PP: i kinda wanna say town but theres not enough there. drunk penguin posted plenty but wasnt helpful in sorting.

oh and bumbi used the fake claim to set up shade on norwee. who is town. i neglected to put norwee in the town column, but norwee is town.

do you see more to nmscum than the lack-of-quickhammer?

i also don't agree with you on the bumbi. i'm not seeing much confusion to be sown, and i doubt the real hider would have CC'd. or that the tracker would waste their track om bambi.

can i take it that your votepile is currently {bob, bambi} exclusively?

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cool

woud like to hear from pp and bob soon. and also nm if he has anything useful, which i don't think

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hahahahah u missed top

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is it actually possible for norwee to roll town this is so surreal

i think u can discard this paranoia until day 5, and if norwee is still alive by d5 then u can start thinking about it

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Lost why are you so towny

Lost and Town share 2 common letters, so i'm always going to be 50% town in that regard

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ok lost. help me out here. assume for a minute that I'm town. what does that tell you about the gamestate and where we should be looking for scum

out of my scumblock, i think you're the least likely to be scum, and so where we should be looking for scum doesn't change for me. still going to be {nm, bob, pp}

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scumcase on bumbi:
a lot of fluff early on. really no content other than advocating vig over tracker

imo setupspec is often rather nai, but you can call everybody d1 to have no content. will treat this as just an observation

283 talking about who can handle a wagon rather than who is scummy almost feels like it was meant for the scum PT. i dont see why thats relevant to town

knowing that a player won't react to wagon pressure informs other town that their vote pressure can be better elsewhere, rather than wasted on a slot that can manage vote pressure

fluff

everybody in this game fluffs

673 strange post denying motivation for the NK. the rest of the post is a bit ??? too.

kinda scummy, but as a counterargument i don't see gg hardbussing bambi for no reason

786 refusing to vote or play the game. weak reasoning for a PP scumread of "feels like pocketing rather than genuine townreads". note that at this point in the game the only vote bumbi has placed was on BM early day 1 during mech discussion, which was parked until EoD.

i dont think any scumreads at this point of the game were very solid, but her reasoning seems fair given pp's then, and even now, content.

790 feels like distancing with GG

brings me back to my thoughts on gg bussing. also i actually think this post is genuine and not manufactured distancing

the rest of the day 2 iso is shading GG without voting there until the lunch becomes inevitable, including a brief unvote.

meh, nothing really scummy about it. you're suggesting bambi decided to bus her jailkeeper the whole of d2 when that's really bad for the scumteam that didn't peg a town pr d1 and n1, while only netting you....miminal townpoints

1408 then theres the weird fake claim

weird in what way?

bumbi entered day 3 with the strange push on norwee based around the fake-claim, and then immediately backs off, doesnt do any scumhunting, and sheeps onto bob.

kinda agree her d3 start was bad, but at this point, not enough for me to think potential scum. mostly associative tells with gg inform me otherwise

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heh i guess i started in the wrong place with my isos. what do you think of bumbi/my case?

overall i think it's bad

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VOTE: bob

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Fun how she picks 'randomly' who she thinks she has the best chance to kill tho.

i dont like this post btw

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The wagon logic is the only decent stuff bob threw at the wall to try to get to stick, I guess I could still vote there. I feel a little lost, I want MURDERCAT back

so do i

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Ugh ANOTHER Bambi case.
They’re LHF.

u make it sound like there's been 10 bambi cases lol

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I rly miss murdercat

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i didn't even get to POST but the game was pretty ez from here so it's wtv

had lots of fun guys

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I really enjoyed Lost

i enjoyed you too isis

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pleasure, MURDERCAT - you were a delight, would mod anytime.

actually this playerlist in general was delightful. you all made my job very easy and enjoyable. thank you!

thank u too worst this game was a big fun

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wow nm posting content after the game

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@lost note when we posted about each other 5 minutes apart

chemistry uwu