Open 791 | Forest Fire | Game Over

[Farren]

400 posts of other players seeming town.

How would you describe the last 48 hours?

[Bell]

400 posts of other players seeming town.

How would you describe the last 48 hours?

An exercise in frustration.
Isis vote hopping.
MT, hanging out on the side.
You gone.

[Bell]

It’s difficult for me when scum can keep up with this kind of town. Because one of the things I look for is an inability to keep up.

[Farren]

There's the word I was looking for. Frustration.

Which sums up this day in a nutshell. And it's the one thing I can think of as to why Town would make that earlier post.

[Farren]

How do you mean, an inability to keep up?

[Bell]

“I’m having a hard time focusing on the game”
“Catching up” (doesn’t really ever catch up)
“There’s too much going on right now”
“For X reason, I can’t seem to read people this game!”

Etc etc. cognitive load. A feeling of demotivatiin because the town are hanging out and they keep swinging back to town reading each other so lurking isn’t really going where it needs to go etc.

[Bell]

This possibly just isn’t one of those games though.

[Farren]

Which might also explain your shift towards GuiltyLion.

[Morning Tweet]

Still like Isis but don't know if I can quantify it

So you did walk away from your case convinced?

Oh yeah im still betting on Isis town but i did walk away feeling like i wouldnt be able to prove it

[Morning Tweet]

400 posts of other players seeming town.

How would you describe the last 48 hours?

An exercise in frustration.
Isis vote hopping.
MT, hanging out on the side.
You gone.

I feel like every time i explore elsewhere from tea it feels wrong

That would probably because even if tea is town, 3/4 of the others are still town. But still.

Farren is playing a hell of a scumgame. His analysis feels quite long, it's unique, it sounds genuine. He bussed Ydrasse a moderate amount -- not as much as GL, sort of a similar amount to Bell but I find Bell's self meta compelling.

Bell I'd be mindblown if scum

Isis I guess i can see being scum, I just fail to see what her plan really was. She sort of has no direction whatsoever, not even enough to get some points for killing Ydrasse. Maybe that's what she wanted to look like -- but also, her end of D3 felt really genuine. Seriously, thinking Ydrasse was hammered and going "Why don't you ask her tomorrow?" fantastic scum move

GL is such a meanie to Ydrasse. Seriously gave her a rough time, i just.. would be very surprised if they're a team. Also he gave up pushing her at the end!!! He swapped to Bell and started a new scumread on him. Either GL or Ydrasse was going to die, why would you not stay tunneled on Ydrasse? He didn't even think she'd flip scum in the end. A weird play for sure

Tea's play just matches closer to what I'd expect the ideal strategy to be, I guess? They didn't consider Ydrasse as a suspect until others did (Originally she was quite high in their reads). They never really wanted Ydrasse D1 from what i can tell. On D2, they only ended up swapping to her after she did something scummy -- they wanted GL first. When else did tea ever want to kill Ydrasse other than that moment? That's a pretty believable convo in the the scum PT ("Bus me if it gets to a point where you have to or think you should"). It's a lot nicer than GL just going out of his way to give Ydrasse a hard time since the end of RVS, for the rest of the game basically

And yeah there are a lot of towny posts from tea that make me want to look elsewhere but i cannot look elsewhere from every single player

[Farren]

And in this setup, not having a plan doesn't work. Or at least, it's extremely sub-optimal.

GL is the one that would mindblow me the most.

All right - what about tea's self-meta? Why is Bell's self-meta compelling, but not tea leaves's self-meta?

[Morning Tweet]

Think about what I've been doing today, Isis. I've pushed Morning, Hobbes, and Bell all as scum. I'm making enemies left, right, and centre, and have no regard for keeping bridges intact. Like, I am totally aware that town are likely to OMGUS and feel worse about people pushing them. You think scum!me sets out with this approach today?

I probably play it safe and just continue pushing Hobbes today.

Maybe im conf-biased but this one doesn't sway me too much

But self-meta is so valuable for you two read me in future games. Maybe my philosophy should be to play every mafia game like it's the last though?

Biggest indicator I want to give you is that as scum I feel the need to be relatively consistent and have quite unchanging reads. My progressions are gradual and you can see how stuff is changing, albeit very gradually. You can see this in Your Nightmare, or my Replacement for Sujimichi game off the top of my head.

Here I have multiple sharp turns in reads and progressions all over the place.

This one though, maybe, maybe

Tea i know to be a quite good scum player so I'm kind of covering my eyes from some things i find towny. It's unfortunate

With Bell i

really

don't think he attacks Ydrasse out of the gate as scum. He has me incredibly beaten there if so

I guess Bell waffled at the end of the day and he mysteriously doesn't immediately go back to Ydrasse at the start of the next day. I think Bell's explanation in 2281 lines up decently with his play, though. I think what happened was he was using his vote to sort Ydrasse, and he ended up reaching the wrong conclusion. Gamma's flip wouldn't change that conclusion, which is why he bounced to me and then GL

[tea leaves]

Help! Help! I'm being BoPed!

I'm not even that good at scum. Check my last scumgame (Your Nightmare), Morning and see the stark contrast of my play. Seriously, I'm obvtown here if you compare it to my play there.

[tea leaves]

I didn't even realise Isis was trying to get me hammered in that moment. Maybe I should give her a proper reread.

UNVOTE:

[tea leaves]

Also, Morning, I think you're focusing on finding scum far too much from just looking at who was pushing and interacting with Ydrasse. Associations is helpful, but look at how individually towny/scummy people are too. If you're seeing a lot of towny things from me, that just means I'm town and not some kind of scum behemoth.

[tea leaves]

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[Isis]

I didn't think it would be a hammer

[Isis]

Hectic's play in nightmare was a bit meh >_>

[Isis]

But historically he says he's never been eliminated day 1 which makes me think a loss of desire to kill hectic is poorly correlated with hectic being town

[Isis]

VOTE: GL

[Dunnstral]

uh oh we have a LURKEY!!!

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: GuiltyLion
I shall follow you

[Isis]

I think you're 1% more likely to siteflake if you're alive in a scum game and in a game where I keep townreading everyone who posts maybe that's enough

[Bell]

uh oh we have a LURKEY!!!

Is my world MT’s pocket dimension.

[Bell]

Woops, misquote.