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[Ythan]

Greetings friends!

[Ythan]

Sunny wants you to live.

[Ythan]

VOTE: Reck

[Ythan]

The Sunny is a wondrous body. Like a magnificent father!

\o/

[Ythan]

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

[Ythan]

Hmmm.

[Ythan]

Yep VOTE: chkflip

[Ythan]

Flonk for UT I came this close to making that exact joke.

[Ythan]

Am I crazy or is there a sample VT role pm in the second post.

[Ythan]

Flonk.

[Ythan]

Hmmmmmmmmmm you aren't also noraaa with three a's are you?

[Ythan]

Ythan, what are your reads on .... anyone?

Fine, newbie so conditionally fine atm, and suspicious but dead-and-flipped-town. Yesterday's wagon drew all the focus and today has just started so that's where I'm at atm.

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Ythan, what are your reads on .... anyone?

Fine, newbie so conditionally fine atm, and suspicious but dead-and-flipped-town. Yesterday's wagon drew all the focus and today has just started so that's where I'm at atm.

So you basically have no reads is what you're saying.

What is your assessment of how the wagon played out yesterday?

He brought it on himself, hard to take much away from the people who bit when he was acting like scum.

[Ythan]

Ythan, you always such a low content poster when you play mafia? I'm about to go look. Because I definitely see you posting elsewhere on the site while remaining pretty low key in this game.

Yeah you should go look.

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Hey Reck how's it going.

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Let's reverse it; if you have no takes on people for joining the wagon how about the people who didn't joing the wagon?

Difficult to say considering you quick hammered before everyone could weigh in.

[Ythan]

Hey Reck how's it going.

i'm good thanks hbu

I'm good too thanks.

[Ythan]

Ythan, since you don't seem to want to analyze the wagon yesterday why don't you start with tn instead?

Not great!

[Ythan]

Persistently and consistently mischaracterizing yesterday imo. My answer may be colored because i just read through mostly interactions involving him before catching up to your post I responded to but I feel pretty confident about it still looking back. He isn't near a hammer is he I'm gonna park my vote there I think.

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Oh do I get to start this wagon VOTE: tn5421

[Ythan]

Persistently and consistently mischaracterizing yesterday imo. My answer may be colored because i just read through mostly interactions involving him before catching up to your post I responded to but I feel pretty confident about it still looking back. He isn't near a hammer is he I'm gonna park my vote there I think.

Fascinating. Tell me more.

If you got questions you gotta ask them. I'm not answering to "more".

[Ythan]

Flonk everything AGar has said without exception.

[Ythan]

I actually share your scumreads exactly and am vibing on you hard so I'm gonna align my vote but tn still smells. Everyone else but those three and me seems legit.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

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Oh brighteningskies is alive.

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I think BS is the one I suspected not Nora. But newbies so w/e them both for now.

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BS isn't really a newbie though so slot that in in place of Nora for me.

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There's a player in this game from 2003 so maybe it's relative.

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You mean wifom?

@307, very end of it

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I'll try Skies!

[Ythan]

Would you mind restating 307 in different words please?

[Ythan]

Where is UT hates hydrae info from?

[Ythan]

Would you mind restating 307 in different words please?

I think Annie Edison dying points to somebody who dislikes hydras potentially being scum. Fringe chance of VPB having slipped in the true motive.
PEdit: okay then

Can you explain what you're saying about vpb here a little further?

[Ythan]

Would you mind restating 307 in different words please?

I think Annie Edison dying points to somebody who dislikes hydras potentially being scum. Fringe chance of VPB having slipped in the true motive.
PEdit: okay then

Can you explain what you're saying about vpb here a little further?

I feel like you’re just not gonna get it again but: in my experience I sometimes want to allude to my actual reasoning for killing someone when Im scum in the main thread, especially when everyone is wrong about it. It’s probably down to an issue of scum guilt/not wanting to lie, I’ve been told IRL that I cannot lie for extended periods of time, and to a certain extent that is true, and that’s why I have that inclination to do that. So yeah thinking about it I’m VERY likely projecting, but I still figured it should be pointed out.

Jfc I don't care about that just say which vpb post you're referencing.

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200 I found it without you.

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So, what, are you saying ut and vpb are scum together, killed Annie because ut doesn't like hydrae, and then vpb slipped it? Is that what you're saying??

[Ythan]

I think Emerald's iso is pure fluff who disagrees and where's your counterexample?

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I actually share your scumreads exactly and am vibing on you hard so I'm gonna align my vote but tn still smells. Everyone else but those three and me seems legit.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Wait so you think everyone except for yourself and AGar’s scum pool is “legit”? Why are you not including yourself? Why am I included?

I recognize that I don't seem legit. And I forgot you existed (along with Skies).

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So you posted fluff instead of not fluff hmm...

[Ythan]

I'm sure you understand that a response made up of, one, examples of fluff, and two, a naked statement that the rest is better, and coming from the subject himself no less, does not leave me satisfied.

[Ythan]

Iirc that's just a Gamma suggestion.

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No vpb mentioned it as well. But it's certainly not an established narrative.

[Ythan]

You know what nevermind that's a perfectly fine post.

[Ythan]

I think someone being a newbie isn't that relevant for whether they're scum? If you're suspecting someone because they're a newbie that's just really weird to me. Also newbie status has limited relevance in general.

Maybe you're an inexperienced newbie after all. I was talking about cutting weird behavior slack in a newbie. Which is a thing.

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For example: why is this not valid? Surely a town player could also mess up trying to get reads in a particular way and failing?

Because they made no effort to share reads they had supposedly been acting scummy to get??

[Ythan]

I'm one of only three players with a vote down and you choose me to ask who I'd kill?

[Ythan]

Hope that doesn't impact your enjoyment of the game too much.

[Ythan]

I'm one of only three players with a vote down and you choose me to ask who I'd kill?

You realize no one is voting because of that bullshit yesterday, right?

Doesn't change the point I was making there. But yeah I got u tho.

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Must have read it wrong sorry. What's counted as weird behaviour? To me it seems like everyone has a different way of playing that could be seen as weird.

It's a gut decision, you kinda just have to decide what feels honest and what feels faked.

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Yours is lowercase sunny.

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I think making Sunny avatars is an acceptable digression in this case.

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It makes it really funny when you do zoom in and see it.

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Okay I don't like that especially the last two lines just wanted to get that out there.

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OH WAIT GOOD CATCH

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Let's talk about how Nora said there's two scum for a second.

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Eh that's a plausible explanation I guess, doesn't put you at the top of my list or anything so w/e.

[Ythan]

Gamma is your vote based entirely on that one interaction?

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I don't feel the same way. I'd like to hear more until we get to something that feels real.

[Ythan]

I need to double check myself here, but I believe Ythan was on site and posting on the day of the hammer...

Why the hell would I unvote that's dumb.

[Ythan]

Skies you're killing it with the avatars.

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Haschel was dumb af yesterday talk to him about it.

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I think I did.

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I didn't and don't give a single fuck about the speed of the wagon before the hammer. Does that work for you?

[Ythan]

I'm in a bad mood I apologize.

[Ythan]

My question is "Do you have any original thoughts about tn that aren't just repeating back the opinions I already gave?"

Oh since you put it that way

Spoiler:

nah

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As in nah I'm not responding to that.

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I just said I'm not answering dumb questions and I wasn't restricting it to one slot.

[Ythan]

The idea that I'd crib from yesterday's quick hammering fool is kinda dumb yeah.

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Ythan, you think Haschel is scum?

I may have actually misread this, maybe you meant "did you think" and were typing colloquially I get that now. Again I'm in a bad mood and I apologize.

He hasn't really pinged me as scum no.

[Ythan]

The idea that I'd crib from yesterday's quick hammering fool is kinda dumb yeah.

And yet for some reason you're choosing not to disabuse anybody of that notion.

I was asked a question and answered I don't give a fuck if you think I copied you,

[Ythan]

The apology was for VP I still think your argument is dumb as fuck.

[Ythan]

I guess Gamma would be my first pick. The rest is almost a wash, but you and Haschel are posting a lot in a way that broadly satisfies while I'd love to see more from Reck and UT.

[Ythan]

Wow I feel like that's a really suspect post let me look a little closer.

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Are you saying that you recall one player refering to Gamma as easy pickings and that's your response when someone says they suspect Gamma? This seems really fake.

[Ythan]

Do YOU think Gamma is easy pickings, Nora?

[Ythan]

If you're suggesting I pulled this out of my ass here's my last interaction with Gamma, which I'm still waiting on a reply to.

Gamma is your vote based entirely on that one interaction?

I also agree that Noraa’s SR of Reck is terribad, and her reaction when Reck called her on it makes me think she knows that

I don't feel the same way. I'd like to hear more until we get to something that feels real.

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That's what I think he was doing yes.

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You hear that Gamma I got muscle you better answer me.

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Sorry for being an ass Haschel!

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Because the way he’s constantly asking about what I’m saying with no sign of actually attempt to process it is getting old, and is something I could see as a scum move.

The hell are you talking about I'm asking you to explain your vote and interpreting your answers as bullshit. That's a process.

So I take it I shouldn't expect any further elaboration then?

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It did make a difference, your answers when I asked why you voted Nora turned you from a null read to a scum one.

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"go to great lengths"

To what say why you placed a vote?

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I suspect he wants to hop on now that Haschel's voted me but doesn't want to give us whiplash so he's playing it down.

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He's suggesting that "everyone" it's suspecting me and that, while he doesn't really see it, maybe he's missing something so he can sway to vote me even though he knows how it'll turn out.

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More just hide behind the stuff I referenced in 480.

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I'm struggling to read Nora so Gamma I'm sincerely willing to listen if you wanna explain that vote a little more.

[Ythan]

Hey nice thanks.

The first chunk just feels newbie to me. The second just feels like a soft early game read. I still don't really agree but I appreciate the elaboration.

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She feels easily swayed is the thing that gives me pause but that too is potentially just a newbie thing.

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Saved you a seat on the Doctor Pepper wagon if you want company.

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The iioa one?

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I mean yeah. I think it's just a soft early read but I've said multiple times I'm having trouble reading the newbie.

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Yeah basically that's what I do find suspect about her, she was very agreeable with everything I said.

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If I remember correctly, Agar and Reck are the ones with votes on me.

AGar's on Doc.

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Kinda waiting on Friday I guess.

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You aren't voting tho.

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Thank you for your service.

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Yeah dude.

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Still down to vote this.

VOTE: tn5421

[Ythan]

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

[Ythan]

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

This made me laugh sorry.

[Ythan]

Just to be clear I'm not accusing ut of bussing I was talking about myself wrt vpb's last post. 536 is just a shitpost.

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You have other Gamma.

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Come on Reck put your mask on and hop in.

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What a lazy wagon ugh.

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VOTE: DoctorPepper

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VOTE: tn5421

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This shitty wagon keeps getting shittier.

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Can no one in this game count

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You aren't Nora jswc.

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I won't tell you you should have just replaced out because I think that might be against the rules and I think you might(?) be joking.

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I keep meaning to ask who is your avatar it looks like Jim Jones.

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Ahhhhh thank you.

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Tn has become a must eliminate so I'm waiting at least to see the result of the prod.

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At least Doc hasn't avoided replacing out to tell us he's checked out of the game.

[Ythan]

Tn has become a must eliminate so I'm waiting at least to see the result of the prod.

Why is he a must eliminate? (I mean I agree but I thought you wanted to yeet Noraa more than TN?)

At least Doc hasn't avoided replacing out to tell us he's checked out of the game.

Also I'm not into the Nora wagon I've been consistently critical of it and haven't voted her once.

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That's fair iirc I mixed you up earlier too so we're even.

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Ythan, if you had to choose between DrP and tn, who would it be?

Tn. See?

Tn has become a must eliminate so I'm waiting at least to see the result of the prod.

At least Doc hasn't avoided replacing out to tell us he's checked out of the game.

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Continuing to be disappointed in this Gamma.

[Ythan]

VOTE: DoctorPepper

screw it we turbo

Go fuckin figure can we kill this now.

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Hype.

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hi i'm not letting a lurker live through day 2, not happening

been burned by it too many times

Then vote tn obviously.

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Also meta is bullshit Reck.

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Didn't you claim to have disengaged from this game? That makes your meta irrelevant. In addition to, you know,

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Me, many times.

No one said either of us is rational.

[Ythan]

You keep talking about Doc lurking but you did also dodge an underway replacement to tell us you had lost interest in the game. It's not until that brought more heat that you then started participating again in response.

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Flonk.

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I mean I think ut just did it.

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Oh double flonk.

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Actually maybe you missed this Gamma moving their vote.

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Oh snap.

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@ythan: did anything happen to you last night

Sure didn't.

[Ythan]

I feel I'm an obvious roleblock target since iirc d1. Lemme double check that then ask a question.

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This is fantastic.

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Reck tell me my role or you're scum.

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We aren't talking about the other PRs outing. Don't pry now just let Reck answer his question first.

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Reck tell me my role or you're scum.

I don't understand the logic here but u prolly have some strange role so I'll just wait patiently for reck's reply

I shouldn't have skipped the pedit, thank you for your patience.

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Yay I'm pretty fuckin sure Reck is scum.

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Like really no clue at all what I might be?

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By all means, guess. You caught me in the pedit just before the reveal.

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I am talking about mod info btw, yes.

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I told my sister you're scum and she asked me to say hi. She likes you guys a lot.

[Ythan]

Someone prevented my action from resolving on Reck n1. If it had he would know my role. I think the most likely explanation is that Reck is lying scum and blocked me n1 right after I outed myself as not vanilla.

Thoughts?

[Ythan]

You're in quite a pickle.

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Aw man I forgot UT got blocked n1.

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You still have a second unexplained action in a game with scum multitasking.

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Please blow this wide open.

[Ythan]

You do I'm pretty satisfied with

You still have a second unexplained action in a game with scum multitasking.

[Ythan]

Idk I'm pretty satisfied*

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Oh you mean verify my action last night? Unfortunately no I targeted my biggest tr and he can't verify.

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???

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I too visited the victim~

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Gettin funky.

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Apparently I am indeed on that bus.

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Yes would it be prudent to explain how you narrowed down the redirection?

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Whoah d3 is the shit.

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I targeted Reck N1 and if I wasn't blocked he would know it.

We're doin it again!

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Oh right.

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Didn't we already establish Reck and Haschel were bussed n1 because I can't tell if you guys remember that or not.

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I don't believe anyone has explained the bussing.

[Ythan]

You were swapped with me by the bus driver. After Night 1 I got a message saying that I had received a mask that does nothing. I also was informed that VP Baltar was modconfirmed town.

There's more but I'll let that digest first.

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The mask did not say who sent it.

I know I was bussed because my action, which was supposed to be performed on Reck, was performed on myself instead.

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We've all been forgetting stuff it got confusing as fuck today.

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lightning rod

Literally.

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The fuck. Why.

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I guess I'm waiting for Brightening Skies to post.

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A higher cluster of scum?

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I think I get your meaning though.

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That ninja.

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Caught scum suggested this remember.

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Massclaim may be a fine plan for today. But I'm not confident in this entire playlist making that decision individually before everyone weighs in. One player hasn't even posted yet.

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I just got to Linville Caverns so fuck y'all for a while~

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There is not.

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Okay now I'm actually going underground peace.

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COOL AS FUCK

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but what if ur town bloc has a secret sneak in it

I think I'm the only confirmed town person here, so that's all that can be said about that.

What I'm saying is there is a preponderance of evidence that a number of people are overwhelmingly town. That makes the lim pool much smaller, so that's a worthwhile trade for some claims/softclaims.

What you're suggesting with mass claim would not further limit that pool at this point.

If we yeet someone other than you today, who should it be?

skies or ythan

Aren't you voting Nora.

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Linville Falls was cool as hell too. I'm thoroughly around now.

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VPB said he targeted Reck n1 and "If I wasn't blocked he would know it" I have no idea what this means but I feel as if he could explain it might be helpful as VPB is pretty towny.

This makes perfect sense based on context he does not need too explain it any further.

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I'm not trying to role fish if that's what you're getting at?

Then idk what to say in response to your question.

[Ythan]

I think based on VP's post it's clear he would have said more if he wanted to. Maybe he'll elaborate when he gets here. I don't feel it's my place to do it for him though. Sorry to leave you hanging.

[Ythan]

like while voting tn he's pushing back on ythan for wanting to yeet noraa which seemed odd

Especially considering I resisted the proposed Nora yeet the entire time and never voted for her.

[Ythan]

ftr that's why i flipped on ythan and got suspicious. he was foaming at the mouth to try to use the confusion around night actions to push me until it was rubbed in his face that my n1 was confirmed by UT

i don't have much more to offer so we should get this over with

Lol tf

[Ythan]

VOTE: Reck

[Ythan]

Sup VP.

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I'm not really confirmed town fwiw but ty regardless.

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Oh yeah sweet!

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Thanks Reck.

And UT of course thank you for your service.

[Ythan]

Could you say concisely who you're explicitly excluding from that list?

@Nora

[Ythan]

Hm lemme check what you said wrt excluding skies.

[Ythan]

Okay why are you excluding Skies.

[Ythan]

Oof idk. That's not something I feel I really know how to judge. Lemme look at some stuff.

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I feel like there's always a tradeoff between doing it early to lock people in and holding off because info for scum. Idk how to weigh those. What might go wrong if we wait until tomorrow?

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I'll think about this hard when I'm sober. I'm off tomorrow.

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Duppin and Gamma could very easily be the remaining scum from my perspective so if there is a claim it had better be good.

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Nora three

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I was gonna respond but I gave up and went to look at an iso but accidentally hit submit instead. Three is a swypo of the.

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Um.

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What's your role name then Dup?

[Ythan]

What's your role name then Dup?

my role is town motion detector

That is a very bad answer double check and get back to me quick.

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Like quick quick. Look at your role PM.

[Ythan]

Cool that's what I wanted thank you.