Open 791 | Forest Fire | Game Over

[Bell]

We could always eliminate you today and have you hang around as a stump.

[Bell]

I miss gamma.

[Bell]

Even though i feel like he would thumbs down me for misreading him.

[Farren]

I wish I had any chance of being excused from f3

Why do you say this?

[Isis]

because it will be hard to decide who to vote for

not because I'm worried about being a mischop. I probably should be worried but that's more out of my control and not as stressy

[Farren]

All right, let's ask it this way:

Why do you think there will be an F3 at all?

[Isis]

I'm not that confident GuiltyLion is scum

[Farren]

I thought you were using F3 to mean Final 3 - were you just using it as a synonym for ELo?

[Isis]

i'm still thinking like the scum will ignite tonight

[Farren]

Poor little assumptions. I had such hopes for them. And then you broke them.

[Isis]

I finally skimmed a little of SIN and Bell's interactions with his partner seems like a carbon copy to here. Saying his target was very scummy, yet also going out of the way to mention the possibility of a townslip, and never directly interacting with the player in question.

If Ydrasse told clidd pregame that she doesn't mind bussing that'd be viewable and I could see Bell inheriting the guidance after it clashed with clidd's style and he declined it.

[tea leaves]

Nice, so I'm not crazy then.

Bell, would you say that's an accurate representation of what you did that game?

[Isis]

*townflip, not townslip

[tea leaves]

Did he follow through with the bus till the end, or lay off?

[Morning Tweet]

Bell you bussed both of your partners simultaneously in SIN

.-.

[Isis]

I didn't read to the end

[tea leaves]

Okay, so I read through it myself and Bell pushed both of his partners (Starbuck and Porkens), but then got martyred killed before the end of the day so it's unclear whether or not he would've followed through with it if they got close to being launched.

BUT THEN, I read through the scum PT, aaand:

Subject: [Demon]Mini Theme 2155: SIN: This Impurity must be Cleansed!

I think I kind of put you too much on the grill there.
How do you prefer to play with your mafia partners?

Subject: [Demon]Mini Theme 2155: SIN: This Impurity must be Cleansed!

^don’t respond to this. I’m not the elimination today. We can discuss it later tonight.
For now focus on surviving.

Subject: [Demon]Mini Theme 2155: SIN: This Impurity must be Cleansed!

I wouldn't scum read you, but I might pretend too, to get a better read on you via pressure.
will do.

The third post is especially damning. What he said he planned to do there is what he's done with Ydrasse here.

VOTE: Bell

I should stop letting myself be convinced off of my tunnels.

[Bell]

There are a lot of attempts to discuss and engage. To make sure I didn’t do something they wouldn’t respond well to.
I even messed up a little on starbuck by questioning them and it made them look mildly scummy.

In the PT I need to mention there are two posts out of context that will lead to a visceral reaction.
But I need to be clear there, both of those don’t apply to this game because, not scum reading them would have gone against the flow of the game. Whereas here I went counter to it.

[Bell]

That insistence on communicating preferences is literally the reason I wouldn’t bus my partner without chatting first. And I wouldn’t honor a previous conversation because I don’t have a scum pt.

[Bell]

Bell you bussed both of your partners simultaneously in SIN

.-.

Already stated I wasn’t bus averse.

You’re the second person to ignore this. .-.

[Farren]

Looking at that first quote.

Timestamp there by my time zone: 7/31 7:37 PM. Context appears to be referring to Starbuck.

Bell replaces in.
Requests a prod of Starbuck (and two others).
Nullreads Starbuck.

It's got to refer to posts 698-706, as those are the only posts where Bell interacts with Starbuck in the main thread that happens before the first quote above. Bell's asking questions, but "grill" seems too ... antagonistic? pressure-y? to describe the tone of the interaction.

[Bell]

A reminder that I brought up my meta myself hoping that explaining the nuance of my play here in contrast to my play there would make it more clear why i couldn't be scum.

[Farren]

That at least makes me think that Bell believes in handling his partners with kid gloves before assessing them is the right thing to do, and deviated from that ideal while playing.

[Farren]

Second quote I don't see as indicative of much of anything.
Third quote: establishes that Bell was telling the truth about the meta. Didn't start busing until D2 - when he had Porkens's blessing to do so.

I don't see *permission* from Starbuck, but I do see a warning about it.

That leaves us with "changed his mind on how to play scum between last game and this game," ...

wait a minute. Checking something ...

I finally skimmed a little of SIN and Bell's interactions with his partner seems like a carbon copy to here. Saying his target was very scummy, yet also going out of the way to mention the possibility of a townslip, and never directly interacting with the player in question.

If Ydrasse told clidd pregame that she doesn't mind bussing that'd be viewable and I could see Bell inheriting the guidance after it clashed with clidd's style and he declined it.

This was possibility #2. Nitpick - Bell replaced Pine, not clidd. So it'd require Ydrasse and Pine having that conversation during pre-game. Pine barely interacted in this game at all, so I'd be questioning any sort of major tactical formation that could have happened during pre-game. Unlikely, I think.

Or possibility #3: Bell is Town, and telling the truth.

[Bell]

I finally skimmed a little of SIN and Bell's interactions with his partner seems like a carbon copy to here. Saying his target was very scummy, yet also going out of the way to mention the possibility of a townslip, and never directly interacting with the player in question.

If Ydrasse told clidd pregame that she doesn't mind bussing that'd be viewable and I could see Bell inheriting the guidance after it clashed with clidd's style and he declined it.

Tea leaves replaced Clidd. Though, that’s interesting.
I disagree that it is a carbon copy. For one, I did not mention Porkens town slipping nor did I imply ydrasse did either. I argued that there was an alternative explanation for Porkens behavior such that he could be town.

Pedit: heh.