The Trials - ENDGAME

[Battle Mage]

big balls Mage here, volunteering to do the first trial.

Vote: Battle Mage

[Battle Mage]

also i will claim right now to save time. I am a banilla townie! will catch up late

[Battle Mage]

will the trials be in private

or is it formal dress

?

VOTE: DGB hullo!

something you want to hide? awkward entrance

VOTE: pob long

[Battle Mage]

why you fretting about whether trials are public or private though? scummy dude, only scum have something to hide

[Battle Mage]

maybe you wanted to consult your scumbuddies in the trial for some inspiration haha

[Battle Mage]

i don't like pobs entrance
UNVOTE:
VOTE: pob

i see you have already enrolled in the BM School of Scumhunting

[Battle Mage]

yo gypyx, DGB, get on board!

[Battle Mage]

pob long is locktown.

shelly is already getting defensive and deflecting from my Consigliere point and saying she could be a Cult Leader instead? Why doesn't it stand for Commuter, shelly? I'm feeling tunneled already.

do tell me why pob long is "locktown"?

[Battle Mage]

nah I didn't say I could be a CL, I was pointing out that the c caused much confusion and I should get an alt
continuing with this logic it could start with anything beginning with c.

shelly crayon-lover?

VOTE: BM are you confident you can pass the trial?

whoa how serious are you being here

nice attempt to deflect attention off yourself - im not convinced you care that much about this vote

[Battle Mage]

i mean im pretty serious. BM asked for the vote. i assumed there was either good reason for why or it was some kind of reaction test. either way ill play along

what would be the good reason?

and if it was a reaction test, why would you (as hypothetical town) voting me be beneficial?

[Battle Mage]

tbh pob asking specifically about BM is kinda weird

this is true

i mean im pretty serious. BM asked for the vote. i assumed there was either good reason for why or it was some kind of reaction test. either way ill play along

so you are assuming bm is Town,?

this is a good observation

I'm easy between pob and taylor. would be good to have 2 rival wagons and see how people roll.

[Battle Mage]

i'm also ok with sending Princess Lea to trial for defending pob long earlier with no explanation.

[Battle Mage]

i mean im pretty serious. BM asked for the vote. i assumed there was either good reason for why or it was some kind of reaction test. either way ill play along

what would be the good reason?

and if it was a reaction test, why would you (as hypothetical town) voting me be beneficial?

youd have to ask BM that. i was just playing along. to be clear, are you now saying you didnt want to be voted? if so, why ask in the first place?

partly shits and giggles, partly to see if any opportunistic scum would get over-excited and present themselves. You voting for me in that scenario, whilst also saying you think i'm town, looks scummy because:

A. Why would you assume I'm town there?
B. If I'm town, why you voting me?
C. If I'm town doing a reaction test, the reaction test would presumably be to fish for opportunistic scum, so how does Taylor-town voting me help?
D. I simply don't buy that you thought I had some clever reason or plan.

[Battle Mage]

will catch up on rest later ofc

[Battle Mage]

Also, her running away when I proposed my real-time question test is scum-indicative. Town are more likely to see it as opportunity to show their worth, while scum will think of it as a "ugh, I can't be bothered with this" and disappear instead.

No it isn't. Perfectly plausible she just logged off/didn't see it/had better things to do? Stuff like this is a pet peeve of mine. At best, bad scumhunting. At worst, a pretty transparent attempt to set somebody up to fail under the illusion of scumhunting.

IGMEOY

- ISO later.

[Battle Mage]

not gonna lie though I was planning on trying the same thing as battlemage and try and talk myself of the wagon. If it failed I still had a win con in trial. BM is either obvtown or supergambitscum.

I disagree, town is heavily incentivized to exe scum D1, therefore a gambit like that will not get a lot of weight on it's own imo, especially considered that BM unvoted pretty fast

I don't think we're disagreeing. I just don't see a weak scum player making that move.

ah that wont help you bud, im supergambittastic as scum (and town)

[Battle Mage]

Can we do a real time interaction test? I want to test your speed. I'll give you a question and I want to see how fast you can answer it.

RUNNIng MAWYy

RUNNIng MAWYy

is this a question?

Are you ready to answer my question? I'll post it as soon as you post again.

The fourth post was 40 seconds after her post. We were having a conversation and she'd just asked me a question, so it's natural that she refreshes to see my response, and I think it's extremely likely that she saw my followup but decided not to respond.

I think that's all completely ridiculous and doesn't imply anything. I'm quite prepared to buy Taylor as scum, but that argument is so weak and contrived it makes me more interested in you.

[Battle Mage]

not gonna lie though I was planning on trying the same thing as battlemage and try and talk myself of the wagon. If it failed I still had a win con in trial. BM is either obvtown or supergambitscum.

I disagree, town is heavily incentivized to exe scum D1, therefore a gambit like that will not get a lot of weight on it's own imo, especially considered that BM unvoted pretty fast

I don't think we're disagreeing. I just don't see a weak scum player making that move.

Also, missed that post, you consider battle game as a weak scum? (I mean, i don't really know the guy, but he looks experienced at least)

you do know me lol, i distinctly recall you telling me once that I was a scumhunting genius who could read you like a book. although in all our games i've been town.

[Battle Mage]

i'm good with seeing how this plays VOTE: Princess Leia

[Battle Mage]

I just don't see the reward of towncred which will evaporate as the game goes longer as enough incentive for scum to make that move.

I mean, you're kinda proving yourself wrong by giving BM towncred for doing that self-vote then right?

hold on, what?

[Battle Mage]

Princess Leia is being replaced.

WTF?

NO

...do you feel like if you'd got here earlier, this might not have happened? I hate being paired with a lurker as scum. Acknowledging your guilt is the first step.

[Battle Mage]

I semi-forgot about this game.

I need to stop forgetting about stuff, can someone give me a tl;dr with the 6 new pages

also replacements don't just happen for inactivity, force-replacement is a way to solve a compromised slot but you're not supposed to discuss replacements anyways

We caught you in a scumslip.

VOTE: shelly

is there any reason to believe there was a compromised slot? Hopefully I'm toeing the line here - this is not me discussing replacements, but discussing someone else's weird speculation on replacements. Eh, I'll leave it there...

I'm pretty happy sending Princess Leia to trial today, so not particularly worried about replacing the slot.

Confirm Vote: Princess Leia

[Battle Mage]

i think aside from the slot being scummy anyway, the lack of appetite to jump on the wagon despite the easy hook of craplogic reads as more likely scum, and the weird reactions to the replace-out gives me the creeps too.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Shelly

I trust Titus.

I can let Nosferatu slide with...well pretty much anything...but this requires some explanation for me.

[Battle Mage]

It may be a bit late, but I want to

shamelessly sheep BM

send PL/PP to trial. VOTE: Pickaxe Pete

late or not, I'll never penalise anyone for voting for scum. keep fighting the good fight dude!

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage, are you sure you're not sending her personality to the chair?

Taylor, the mystery of Day 1 Titus does not get explained until the moment comes. I know we haven't played together much so you get a pass for now.

VC please.

no, but i'm literally, honestly, unashamedly happy with sending that slot to trial today. No need to over-think it.

Well, just to tell that, i'm not going onto the shelly wagon without the "scumslip" explained, i don't see it, i don't trust titus enough, and i'd rather have other wagons explored

reasonable, especially on the Gypyx scale.

Its the standard titus reaction test to appear town when she's scum

i like this, although i'm not sure i agree. In my relatively limited experience with Titus, there has been a really stark contrast between Titus-scum and Titus-town, and this is in Titus-town territory. However, obviously she's a good enough player that if she cared, she could play to her town meta (although the fact she doesn't always do this, gives me some modicum of comfort).

Also, BM, why are you so less much involved and way less opinionated and catchy than u were in the saw game?

you mean the saw game where I single-handedly fked the entire game up for town? yeah, i think that answers your question.

On a more serious note, I generally reap better rewards when I lay low for the first half of day 1. I haven't done it often, but when I have, my reads have tended to be really good - Saw Day 1 was actually an example of that, although better examples in games since. Good question though.

VOTE: Titus

Brave vote, I dig it.

i for one need further explanation, although i can kinda see how shelly and leia could be scum maybe?

I am puzzled.

Why are you pointing me to your signature? Is there a town or scum game you want me to examine there to compare to this game?

To prove that I have played games on this account, and therefore have not created this specifically for this game

PL very aggressive towards shellyc here, it looks like

Day 1

bus'ing.

The fact both DGB and Tayl0r are drawing a link between PL and Shelly makes me even more excited to flip PL. And increasingly reticent about flipping Shelly.

By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget

OMGUS, and the Fidget read is a stretch to say the least. I dig Fidget's post 319, although nothing strongly leaning me either way.

[Battle Mage]

277 comes from an informed perspective

You mean informed about your slot? I don't even understand why you'd say this.

[Battle Mage]

I apologize that was rude sorry

Anyway. Red Panda town yes. Tayl0r I'm flip-flopping. Leia I think either believes the non-joke ridiculous reads she makes as town, or is scum believes that she would believe them so I don't know where to go there. The confidence on tayl0r might be slightly good

What I mean with shelly was I suppose I don't expect them to point the finger at a ton of people haphazardly as scum. I know they just singlehandedly won a newbie game as scum, and I developed somewhat of a notion that they're probably good at not getting eliminated. Getting on a ton of peoples' bad sides is not great for that strategy. DPG is correct it gives them a wide range of possible votes, but it's so early game that she kind of already has that anyway.

haha dude, i point my ginger haphazardly at everyone (regardless of alignment) in most games, get on everyone's bad side, and very rarely get lunched.

[Battle Mage]

finger... ffs

[Battle Mage]

damnit, what a pagetop :'(

[Battle Mage]

I've seen enough to do this for now.

VOTE: shellyc

you've seen people want you gone

you've seen shelly is the counterwagon with most momentum

you are joining

regardless of shelly's alignment, i'd say this is not a good look for you hombre

[Battle Mage]

i'm struggling somewhat with Pickaxe Pete just coming in and with his opening posts appearing to tunnel Shelly, the momentum-wagon. it seems like the default play for scum in that slot and situation. I think it's a less likely play for town.

[Battle Mage]

277 comes from an informed perspective

You mean informed about your slot? I don't even understand why you'd say this.

Put me on trial.

I'm trying to, my friend! You could vote for yourself and support the cause!?

[Battle Mage]

i'm struggling somewhat with Pickaxe Pete just coming in and with his opening posts appearing to tunnel Shelly, the momentum-wagon. it seems like the default play for scum in that slot and situation. I think it's a less likely play for town.

Put me on trial.

...did you really replace into the game with the intention of just saying "put me on trial" as a defence to all questions?

I mean, as I've already said, I'm trying to - but per the rules, I can't make that decision unilaterally. If you want to go on trial, you'll need to ask others to join too!

[Battle Mage]

im not feeling this game or the players at all

hey i resent that

[Battle Mage]

yeah, iunno titus. i dont see fidget as scum here. and i think you're reaching. i dont know that you get to scumread people for sheeping you. especially since the reaction test was so obvious that it seemed like it wasnt a reaction test - it almost seemed like you wanted it to be obvious or something. im

far

more inclined to agree with vecna's take here. VOTE: titus

i dont like this post or this vote. in isolation, real scummy.

[Battle Mage]

everyone's posting is really weird and im having a hard time. pickaxe makes no sense but i actually like the post about shelly. that said its incredibly surface level so maybe im giving it too much credit. maybe the post also pocketed me by defending me.

on reflection, VOTE: pickaxe pete

If Pickaxe Pete flips scum, I'm still pretty interested in Tayl0r tomorrow, although in a funny way she's so erratic and inconsistent it feels too conspicuously bad to be scum. Also, completely happy getting the heat if he flips town. I don't really get a vibe that he is happy and enthusiastic to be here.

[Battle Mage]

if Petes your name too.

I'm leaning town on this guy.

VOTE: Pickaxe Pete

I hate the opening. Shading me opportunistically is super scummy. I don’t care if you call this OMGUS because I think shading me isn’t pro town at all at this point

I don’t think my listing of reads is fake and pointless. They are initial impressions and I’m still gutreading people atm

Was there a point at which shading you would have been pro-town?? Odd choice of words. Also lots of emotion here - a bit much for my taste.

What's your read on me btw?

I semi-forgot about this game.

I need to stop forgetting about stuff, can someone give me a tl;dr with the 6 new pages

also replacements don't just happen for inactivity, force-replacement is a way to solve a compromised slot but you're not supposed to discuss replacements anyways

initial impressions

plusjoy is probably scum here like tbh this is a serious read, for 1) reasons I cant talk about and 2) town!plus does solve despite the solves might not being correct, plus is very agreeable here or am I just paranoid about you

don't like taylor's posting feels very forced

pob long is nullish scum to me, weird flexes and their posting confuses me

Do you have a town read?

Townleaning fidget and Titus. Titus reaction test is pretty indica to ice of a solving mindset and fidgets posting gives me a good vibe (this is more gut)

No ballsy reads here.

Why are you pointing me to your signature? Is there a town or scum game you want me to examine there to compare to this game?

To prove that I have played games on this account, and therefore have not created this specifically for this game

PL very aggressive towards shellyc here, it looks like

Day 1

bus'ing.

could be

pob long, if that is your real name, I think you're probably town even if you're a HTV.

what is that

Because you posted your driver's license photo I'm assuming you were recently reinstated. My first guess was you were a habitual traffic violator, but that might be unfair. Could just be a DWS.

[Battle Mage]

i havent caught up yet, but i see from above post, Titus is burying me for some reason. In defence of Pete? Wtf man, colour me intrigued. invalid premise pfft

[Battle Mage]

By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all.

I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely.

Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget

Bolded part does seem like complete BS.

Strictly speaking, the only bolded part was the vote, so not really BS. I think I dig what you meant to say though.

That said, when I saw it, it was meant to gauge the towniness/scuminess of the person being targeted, so it strikes me as weird to do this to someone who is V/LA, or at least not waiting that it was fabricated until the person got back to see if she got nervous.

An actual good point being made.

hey I've made lots of good points...I think...(how's my humility Titus!?)...I'm a fountain of insight, check my ISO!

you mean the saw game where I single-handedly fked the entire game up for town? yeah, i think that answers your question.

On a more serious note, I generally reap better rewards when I lay low for the first half of day 1. I haven't done it often, but when I have, my reads have tended to be really good - Saw Day 1 was actually an example of that, although better examples in games since. Good question though.

I like the humility here and it explains some reservations I had about you. I am used to the Battle Mage that goes all out as town (barring that one game you had a post restriction).

You've seen enough of me as town and scum to know the difference.

I've seen enough to do this for now.

VOTE: shellyc

you've seen people want you gone

you've seen shelly is the counterwagon with most momentum

you are joining

regardless of shelly's alignment, i'd say this is not a good look for you hombre

The shelley wagon is literally dying and was never going to be a thing. The wagon on me is the more viable counterwagon. Your premise is just wrong here.

Respectfully, I disagree. But more to the point, saying my premise is wrong is needlessly antagonistic, and even if you actually believe what you say here, I'm not sure why you're bothering to quibble with me about it. If you want to defend Pete, you'll need to do better than picking on one observation (of many), and trying to undermine it without anything substantive. No bueno.

Through page 15. Not touching the Pickaxe Pete wagon based on who got on. Reevaluating the wagon conclusion based on the motions of new wagons.

I think Battle Mage is getting sheeped by scum for his invalid premise and a reaction by Pickaxe that is easy to jump on.

An alternative interpretation would be, at this stage, if Pete was town, he's not putting the slightest bit of effort into demonstrating it.

I'm not sure concern about who got on his wagon is enough of an excuse for you not being on it. It's Day 1, you have no confirmed knowledge of any other player's alignment, and Pete is clearly scummy (although you've ignored the reasons for that, unclear why). And bussing/distancing is a thing. So you won't vote Pete because of other players voting for him? Yeah, I don't buy it.

I'm nonetheless pleased you are accepting, without a shred of doubt, that I'm town here.

[Battle Mage]

so titus how many scum do you think are on the pickaxe wagon and who are they?

I need a VC to answer this specifically.

However, I am drawing this conclusion because 1) the premise that started the wagon is wrong and obviously so 2) my wagon minus Vecna jumped onto the Pickaxe wagon, 3) the wagon movement makes me rethink my earlier wagon momentum thoughts

What? Yuck, I really don't like this.

Let's break it down:

1. You didn't want to join the Pete wagon because of other people on it. But from the above, you're not actually sure who was on it.
2. You're labouring the point that the "premise that started the wagon is wrong" - however, the premise you're referring to was by no means pivotal in starting the wagon, or a critical component of it. In simple terms, it seems to me that you've seen a bunch of legitimate reasons for voting Pickaxe Pete, and you've chosen to pick one, make a subjective judgement falsely presented as fact to undermine it as an argument (as noted, I think your judgement here is clearly wrong, and am slightly baffled you're arguing so strongly otherwise, but it's of little consequence anyway). You've then conspicuously failed to engage with any of the other arguments, and have instead falsely implied that there aren't any.
3. This is the second post in a row in which you've vaguely referenced your observations about wagon momentum. It's a fairly trivial point compared to the above, but I'm not sure what you're gaining by making those comments? They are too vague to be of any value to you later if you were going back to your own ISO. They are also not even close to being helpful to anybody else by explaining your train of thought. It just seems like a way to present yourself as being very clever and scumhunting, when actually it doesn't appear you are?

FoS: Titus

Also I sorta like Fidget as town for seeming so irritated and struggling to get over it, and if Titus flips scum, that did not feel like a SvS interaction.

I'll be back tomorrow probably, tired now.

[Battle Mage]

@BM,

Stop being butthurt that your Pickaxe wagon is full of scumbutts and bad town.

Also, I never reread my ISOs. I use VCs to assess wagons later. That's why it's called VCA.

I'll wait here while you scream Pickaxe is scum and wonder why the wagon fails.

@DGB,

Thanks

I don't have the time or motivation to stop your efforts to railroad town with untruths. Suffice to say, you saying "this is faulty reasoning" about something which is:

A. Perfectly reasonable and the opinion most people would likely form.
B. Ultimately just somebody's opinion, which cannot be factually proven either way.

Is itself, invalid.

In fact, I haven't been "screaming Pickaxe is scum". I've been eloquently setting out how you are screaming "Faulty Reasoning" incorrectly, as a crutch to avoid having to actually engage with the actual merits and demerits of the wagon.

At best, it's exceptionally lazy and uninterested townplay, which I don't expect from you. At worst, it's scum-Titus thinking she can get away with spamming everyone off with empty content rather than delivering where it counts. In either case, I'm not impressed and I'll leave it there.

[Battle Mage]

I'm leaning town on this guy.

@BM can you explain further on this? I want to dive deeper

who was i talking about? need some context here, then we can dive together

[Battle Mage]

shit bros my mafia processing power is having trouble booting im in too many games
i do think pete is sus though UNVOTE:
VOTE: pete

this is close to a prodge

there's a noticable difference between town!plus and this read-sheeping which doesn't indicate a town mindset at all

i dont see much value in shelly-scum making this post, so townvibes for me.

[Battle Mage]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i think battlemage is town

excellent work.

[Battle Mage]

If Pickaxe Pete flips scum, I'm still pretty interested in Tayl0r tomorrow, although in a funny way she's so erratic and inconsistent it feels too conspicuously bad to be scum. Also, completely happy getting the heat if he flips town. I don't really get a vibe that he is happy and enthusiastic to be here.

too scummy to be scum isn't valid logic and taylor looks bad

i dont really know what point you're trying to make here? Spam filler, painted as something intellectual.

(Spoiler: I couldn't care less what counts as "valid logic". If I have an opinion, I'll say it, and sometimes I'll be right, and sometimes I'll be wrong - just like somebody who can only rely on textbook logic.)

[Battle Mage]

while I'm handing out pearls of wisdom, I confess I find it difficult to get excited about so called "vote count analysis" when it's Day 1 and we have no confirmed info to hang off.

In my experience, vote count analysis works better a couple of days into a game, where it hasn't already been primed (and therefore behaviour in terms of voting and wagonning to that point is more organic and genuine).

[Battle Mage]

shit bros my mafia processing power is having trouble booting im in too many games
i do think pete is sus though UNVOTE:
VOTE: pete

this is close to a prodge

there's a noticable difference between town!plus and this read-sheeping which doesn't indicate a town mindset at all

If Plusjoy is scum, it suggests scum value you over Pickaxe Pete.

Eh, this is stating the obvious? If Plusjoy-scum voted for Pete, he probably wanted to eliminate Pete rather than Shelly. You could have told me what that might mean for their alignments, or made an inference of some kind, rather than just re-state what is evident from the post you quoted.

[Battle Mage]

fidget is a gut TR (but might have me pocketed) and titus' VCA attempt is *wrong* but still an attempt so +townpoints

dripping goofball currently voteparking on me which is bleh but their entrance seemed pretty town

If you wanted to post a readslist, I would be interested to read it. Incidentally, that goes for anyone. I might even do one of my own at some point.

VOTE: unvote
was my slot universally townread or we gonna do this the hard way

I don't think I had a strong feeling either way. Best way to get on a good footing is to elim Pickaxe Pete - the man of a thousand defences (all of which consist of "Put me on trial").

I dno, I was really enjoying leia's crazy playstyle. I was prone to townreading it, without having any good reasons to do so.

BM is back to being BM at least. destroy all opposition. RraawR!

Man I'm just salty cause Titus was dissing me. I'll calm down in a bit.

[Battle Mage]

i dont see what about titus' reaction test seems solvy

It's a big boisterous show of appearing solvy but in reality solves nothing. But it's just enough for a scum to poke their head out with a classic "above the fray" stance of calling them both town.

So indirectly, Titus stirring the pot in every direction might have netted us scum in an unexpected way.

Or perhaps Titus is just scum, doing a big boisterous show of appearing solvy? shrug

Spoiler: VCs

Send to the Trial 1.4

Tayl0r Swift (5) pob long; Fidget; Princess Leia; RedPanda; PlusJOYED;

Not Voting (3) Marashu; Vecna; shellyc;

shellyc (3)Titus; Nosferatu; EddieFenix;

Princess Leia (2) Tayl0r Swift; Battle Mage;

Vecna (1) DrippingGoofball;

Nosferatu (1) Gypyx;

Fidget (0)

pob long (0)

Battle Mage (0)

RedPanda (0)

EddieFenix (0)

Marashu (0)

Gypyx (0)

PlusJOYED (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

Titus (0)

With 15 alive, you need 8 to send someone to the trials with absolute majority vote, and 2 to send someone to the trials with relative majority vote at the end of the day. No Elimination is disabled.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-09-25 11:00:00) or when someone has been sent to the trials by absolute majority.

Princess Leia is being replaced.

Send to the Trial 1.5

Tayl0r Swift (4) pob long; Pickaxe Pete; RedPanda; PlusJOYED;

Titus (3)Vecna;Fidget;Tayl0r Swift;

Not Voting (2) Marashu; shellyc;

shellyc (2) Nosferatu; EddieFenix;

Pickaxe Pete

Princess Leia

(1) Battle Mage;

Vecna (1) DrippingGoofball;

Nosferatu (1) Gypyx;

Fidget (1) Titus;

pob long (0)

Battle Mage (0)

RedPanda (0)

EddieFenix (0)

Marashu (0)

Gypyx (0)

PlusJOYED (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

With 15 alive, you need 8 to send someone to the trials with absolute majority vote, and 2 to send someone to the trials with relative majority vote at the end of the day. No Elimination is disabled.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-09-25 11:00:00) or when someone has been sent to the trials by absolute majority.

Pickaxe Pete replaces Princess Leia.

Send to the Trial 1.6

Pickaxe Pete

Princess Leia

(5) Battle Mage; Marashu; Fidget; Tayl0r Swift; shellyc;

Tayl0r Swift (3) pob long; RedPanda; PlusJOYED;

shellyc (3) Nosferatu; EddieFenix; Pickaxe Pete;

Not Voting (2) Gypyx; Vecna;

Vecna (1) DrippingGoofball;

Fidget (1) Titus;

Titus (0)

Nosferatu (0)


pob long (0)

Battle Mage (0)

RedPanda (0)

EddieFenix (0)

Marashu (0)

Gypyx (0)

PlusJOYED (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

With 15 alive, you need 8 to send someone to the trials with absolute majority vote, and 2 to send someone to the trials with relative majority vote at the end of the day. No Elimination is disabled.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-09-25 11:00:00) or when someone has been sent to the trials by absolute majority.

We had a static wagon of five on Taylor when I performed my reaction test on Shelley. Most of the people on the wagon are consensus town. So the question becomes where are the scum or why has this wagon stalled?

The only person to initally jump off the Taylor wagon to me was Fidget, who I suspected before. None of the people voting for me discussed shelley in any meaningful way. They jumped from VLA to no scumslip without any meaningful search at her behavior. The wagon started from Vecna being the likely town shepherd into a bad wagon. Scum rarely start bad wagons day 1, especially when buddies are being FoSed.

So right now, I am left with two possibilities. One, Taylor is scum and her wagon stalled due to lack of bussing or two, scum are jumping on anything with a pulse to look like they are providing content.

Then, we get to Pickaxe Pete. It's another wagon that gained steam based on town with faulty reasoning.

This point, I strongly suspect at least one of Taylor and Fidget is scum, but not both. ShellyC and Taylor being partners would explain why those two wagons have slow burns stalled out while others are more rapidly exploding.

VOTE: shellyC

Perfectly ok with a Taylor vote as well for the reasons above. I can't find scum on either wagon as they currently sit.

I propose we flip Pete. If Pete flips scum, we go to Titus next. If Pete flips town, y'all can just do what Titus says or w/e.

[Battle Mage]

nos - light town

how

what am i chopped liver?

initially i had you as light town for townreading me, which i assumed was a metaread. but that has since changed to a bit of a scumread - your posts are mostly fluff, light on analysis, and you've been hopping your vote around quite a lot while sheeping. i expect more and better content from you. and the townread on me could just as easily be an attempt to pocket.

Read: You voted the scum partner nakedly.

less sexy please

now would either of you kindly point me in the direction of the game where Nosferatu-town was churning out vast quantities of high quality content? otherwise I'm calling BS

(sorry Nosferatu, i love you really )

[Battle Mage]

nos - light town

how

what am i chopped liver?

initially i had you as light town for townreading me, which i assumed was a metaread. but that has since changed to a bit of a scumread - your posts are mostly fluff, light on analysis, and you've been hopping your vote around quite a lot while sheeping. i expect more and better content from you. and the townread on me could just as easily be an attempt to pocket.

Read: You voted the scum partner nakedly.

your take is that nos is scum with shelly?

You will notice that Titus has lots of takes. The ones which prove unpopular become 'reaction tests' (again, only kidding Titus!)

[Battle Mage]

my gut feels are saying Eddie Fenix is scum.

[Battle Mage]

looking at his ISO again, I'm pretty content sending him to trial today too.

Can I townblock anyone to make things slightly easier?

[Battle Mage]

Princess Leia's ISO also looks worse than it felt in real time. Deliberately obtuse/disingenuous style decidedly anti-town. I hope we can eliminate that slot today, so I dont have to actually go through it again and explain why it is so scummy.

[Battle Mage]

Nosferatu, wanna join my townblock?

[Battle Mage]

eh, just us currently. Maybe EddieFenix too. I just looked at 1 scumgame and 1 towngame, and he played much more townie than this in the scumgame, and similarly scummy to this in the towngame. Plus he has a tell which he did in the towngame and this one, but not in the scumgame.

Hence, begrudgingly, probs town here.

[Battle Mage]

ah fk it, it's shellyc ain't it?

have read through all her past games (she was scum in all bar 1), and she had a prolific tell across most of the scumgames which she didn't use in the towngame. That's good enough for me. I guess a shelly scumflip makes Pete look bad anyway, but I'm good with the meta approach first.

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Shellyc

[Battle Mage]

my pleasure, you forgot to vote Shelly though. You can get in the illustrious townbloc if you do!

[Battle Mage]

shelly, that's -1, if you have a town PR, time to claim!

[Battle Mage]

i dont really know what point you're trying to make here? Spam filler, painted as something intellectual.

you think taylor is TSTBS which doesn't make sense imo

taylor's just plain scummy here (even though their townplay is pretty scummy? idk)

That's what you interpretted, as opposed to what I actually said/think.

ah fk it, it's shellyc ain't it?

have read through all her past games (she was scum in all bar 1), and she had a prolific tell across most of the scumgames which she didn't use in the towngame. That's good enough for me. I guess a shelly scumflip makes Pete look bad anyway, but I'm good with the meta approach first.

did I keep using the word

Spoiler:

Appeal to Emotion

Meta is trash, nothing can change my mind

No, that's incorrect.
and nope! try again. you're wrong

[Battle Mage]

ignore the above, i was premature again...

i dont really know what point you're trying to make here? Spam filler, painted as something intellectual.

you think taylor is TSTBS which doesn't make sense imo

taylor's just plain scummy here (even though their townplay is pretty scummy? idk)

That's what you interpretted, as opposed to what I actually said/think.

ah fk it, it's shellyc ain't it?

have read through all her past games (she was scum in all bar 1), and she had a prolific tell across most of the scumgames which she didn't use in the towngame. That's good enough for me. I guess a shelly scumflip makes Pete look bad anyway, but I'm good with the meta approach first.

did I keep using the word

Spoiler:

Appeal to Emotion

Meta is trash, nothing can change my mind

No, that's incorrect. The "meta is trash" line is fairly common, and indeed convenient, for those who are easy to read based on other games. The experience will change your mind.

[Battle Mage]

looking at his ISO again, I'm pretty content sending him to trial today too.

Can I townblock anyone to make things slightly easier?

i think im ok with being in your townbloc

you need to act townie to be in the townbloc, soz

[Battle Mage]

Also lots of emotion here - a bit much for my taste.

i overreact a lot.

try read my games

i've read all your games.

shelly, that's -1, if you have a town PR, time to claim!

I WON'T FALL FOR IT LMFAO

I have a curse that I get to E-1 in all d1's I've completed

and you also have a curse that you almost always roll scum?

[Battle Mage]

ignore the above, i was premature again...

does that happen often?

yes, even at my age

[Battle Mage]

looking at his ISO again, I'm pretty content sending him to trial today too.

Can I townblock anyone to make things slightly easier?

i think im ok with being in your townbloc

you need to act townie to be in the townbloc, soz

have you looked at the people in your townbloc?

i think it's me, nosferatu and eddie at the moment, so yeah I've looked at them

[Battle Mage]

have read through all her past games (she was scum in all bar 1), and she had a prolific tell across most of the scumgames which she didn't use in the towngame. That's good enough for me. I guess a shelly scumflip makes Pete look bad anyway, but I'm good with the meta approach first.

Can you elaborate on this meta tell?

Also can you elaborate on why a shelleyC scumflip makes Pete look bad?

nope to both for the moment. we can talk about flipping Pete once shelly flips, and there's no value in sharing a meta tell when it isn't going to be a difference maker in eliminating today or not. what can i say, i beat to the sound of my own drum.

[Battle Mage]

Only DGB would have been smart enough to kill me night 1.