Mini Theme 2158: Cards of Destiny Mafia Game Over

[jjh927]

This could have started like literally any other time in the last week or the next week and I'd be able to play out RVS but don't expect contributions from me for about 24 hours maybe

[jjh927]

I'm here and caught up

Half disappointed more didn't happen but let's get moving

[jjh927]

FL, what do you aim to achieve by asking for a 1V1? Currently it looks like you're asking someone to push you so you can protest your innocence and talk about yourself more

[jjh927]

Right but asking people to push you isn't going to create content or even particularly encourage it

Those inclined to make a push on someone at this stage will just do it

[jjh927]

I mean sure you can keep patting yourself on the back for fuck all if you like

[jjh927]

So you haven't got townreads on anyone else in the game thus far?

[jjh927]

I'll take tris, Kaname Date, Gamma Emerald, Hayasaka, and Ampharos for town right now

[jjh927]

No

[jjh927]

I think more things should be clear in 5 irl days

[jjh927]

You don't make my town list on page 11. This has not changed since we reached page 12

[jjh927]

I mean, kinda?

I tend to find townreads until something stands out as possible scum

[jjh927]

Her posts

[jjh927]

#140 was when I picked up the townread and there's been at least a couple good posts since

[jjh927]

I'll take tris, Kaname Date, Gamma Emerald, Hayasaka, and Ampharos for town right now

well, jjh has my vote.
of confidence.

why does this town list give you confidence in jjh? it looks mostly like a list people who have been actively around aside from those who are shitposting and FL?

There's still a good few people who've been active who aren't on that list, as well as some people who haven't been active. Do you expect me to have reads on inactive players, or are you just throwing doubt on my process?

[jjh927]

Ahh jjh, rolled scum again, didn't ya?

-Pluto

Nope

Actually very pleased with my role PM

[jjh927]

VOTE: D&D

[jjh927]

I should probably articulate the reasoning behind some reads later

Rn they're just all in my head


Anyone particularly interested in my reads on anyone else?

[jjh927]

I should probably articulate the reasoning behind some reads later

Rn they're just all in my head


Anyone particularly interested in my reads on anyone else?

i'm interested in anything you have to say!

Yeah but I'd like some specificity

Since that last list of people who I said were town, I also think VMP and Fish are town

[jjh927]

Oh and DnD is scum

[jjh927]

This looks like a pretty good outcome to me ngl

[jjh927]

That crier message I had there was limited to 300 characters

Anyhow, lemme think about implications

[jjh927]

You know, I think NM might just be it

And by it I mean both the inevitable elimination of the day and also scum

VOTE: NM

[jjh927]

Still think Amy is town btw

[jjh927]

Also sense check says what I allowed myself to think was strategy day 1 is actually kinda useless due to the lack of people who would NK me N1 in this game, unlike the previous game I was in where it was actually really neat info for solving that I remained alive

[jjh927]

So yeah I should probably start playing like I used to again if I'm still capable of that because I can't really expect people to follow me on naked voting scum

[jjh927]

Still think Amy is town btw

Who is currently in your PoE other than NM obviously?

~M

FL

I acknowledge it's probably time to revisit a few of my day 1 townreads but a scumflip doesn't really push me to do that.

[jjh927]

Caught up on lunch. This is really just making me feel better about townreading everyone that isn't NM and FL

Back to work in a couple of minutes

[jjh927]

Why do people always get so suprised when I state strong read on slots that are lurking like NM.
Not like NM lurking makes him more or less readable.

Some players get harder to read if they get super into a game because of how good their scum game is.

It's an easy counterargument

That aside, it has actually use as a point to be made in terms of generating reads based on familiarity, prevalence, and all that. Availability bias and all that. Good to be aware of it, but when you're aware of it it's just a weak counter.

I'd ask you if you have reasons you can articulate about why NM is scum, but I also think NM is scum and I think my new playstyle since I got a job involves low effort high efficiency high accuracy plays like voting scum and nothing more

[jjh927]

HURT: NM


I'll leave the voting for closer to deadline

[jjh927]

I think we SHOULD have just gone for NM tbh

It being designated the "lazy" option doesn't make it any less the case that NM is scum

[jjh927]

If we're considering an "info" flip to be a town flip that comes with useful info, the only possible ones from my POV are the people I do not townread; ie NM and FL, as anyone else could flip town and it would have no effect on my reads.

If you want to do things I don't want to do, at least do it because you think someone is more likely to be scum
As an aside, FL's fairly weak but noticeable resistance to wagoning NM only encourages me

[jjh927]

Stop trying to make things that aren't things be things

[jjh927]

The fact that I have a fairly weak resistance appearing should be enough to see that NM and I aren’t scum together. There’s a very real possibility that NM gets vengekilled, and if that happens and he did flip scum, scum me would be screwed. I would arguably say a scumNM flip screws me, which kinda sucks, but at the end of the day, if he’s scum, that’s 2 scum dead, I have faith town could find the last one even if I’m misfaded.

Essentially, as scum with NM, I’d have to hard defend him here.

I also am a confirmed double voter, DND wagon doesn’t go through if I were scum this game. It just doesn’t.

Hmm, I'll concede the first. I've pretty much been ignoring all the "FL would bus in this situation" stuff because you're purposefully erratic in whether or not you bus, but that's more of a developed argument,

Second point isn't really worth anything though

[jjh927]

If I call you town here, I know I'm wrong on at least 1 townread. NM being town would be an additional two things wrong, because one of my TRs would be wrong as well as that I actually think NM is scum here

I don't think I'm wrong on 3 things here

[jjh927]

Did you have any thoughts about the pooky kill? I've been keeping mine to myself

[jjh927]

If I call you town here, I know I'm wrong on at least 1 townread. NM being town would be an additional two things wrong, because one of my TRs would be wrong as well as that I actually think NM is scum here

I don't think I'm wrong on 3 things here

Well, think about it. If you’re wrong on 3 things here, that’s definitely because scum would have a focus on you to mess around so you don’t catch them. If I were scum here, I’d have been playing in a way to specifically watch out for you. Do you disagree with this? And do you think I have done that?

Who do you know best in this game?

Nah, if I'm wrong it's because I haven't been engaged enough with the game

I think my half assed attitude from the last game I played carried over somewhat, and DnD flipping scum didn't exactly make me think this wasn't working


In this game, I think you're probably the person I've played with most, excluding Gamma who I've never interacted with all that much despite being in a fair few games. Let's also steer clear of unmasking Kaname Date.

Scum is unlikely to be catering anything particularly to me, especially considering recent changes in my playstyle and the number of players unfamiliar with me. Also of note is that I didn't get NKed. I think following this conversation you'll have a place in my townreads, but that means I need to revisit some of the other ones.

[jjh927]

I reckon Pooky kill hard clears Hayasaka, not that that's big news

[jjh927]

Honestly I just saw town motivation in their posts and have continued to do so

There's nothing complicated behind it but it's still one of my stronger day 1 TRs

[jjh927]

Did I miss when you outed

[jjh927]

Oh wow I did

Huh I assumed you were someone more familiar with me for some reason

[jjh927]

I ran out of data on my phone so I can't post at lunchtimes any more

Happy Friday though, everyone. I'll be here all weekend

[jjh927]

I reckon it's NM/Gamma rn, tbh

[jjh927]

Oh cool

HURT: FL

I should have stayed lazy

[jjh927]

Tbh I actually don't think it makes much of a difference whether you kill FL or NM, but FL is obviously the safer option

My confidence in my earlygame reads is just skyrocketing rn

[jjh927]

VOTE: DoctorPepper

[jjh927]

NM is the safer shot

This is better designed than most FL fakeclaims

[jjh927]

Consider that there are plenty of ways of confirming FL's role in a fairly short period of time

[jjh927]

And this lines up neatly imo. There are usually gaps somewhere if it's fake

[jjh927]

Actually, for confirmation purposes, does anyone know pooky enough to ask a question that FL won't easily be able to answer?

[jjh927]

Maybe just speak of something FL probably doesn't know about? Idk

[jjh927]

Yeah I'm not 100% FL's telling the truth, but I'd say it seems pretty likely

[jjh927]

And also, since it's a role with a lot of ways to confirm it, that just makes it more likely to be the truth. For example, I am confident if I were to be locked away in said hood, I would be able to offer something which 100% proved I was there. Like, totally beyond reasonable doubt level. Other people could probably do similar, especially those who are in hoods.

[jjh927]

Shit I forgot DP would be the best way to verify FL's role

[jjh927]

that actually makes it extremely interesting that gamma claimed to also be the devil

in tarot, the arcana have both a positive and a negative meaning depending on which way they're flipped (tarot readings are weirdly complicated but whatever)

based on that it's entirely possible for gamma's claim to be true... but then, is d&d's role based on the negative interpretation and gamma's on the positive? or vice versa? are all the scum roles this way, or is it just a one off, or is gamma full of shit and this entire line of questioning is moot

i guess i know what wikipedia rabbit hole i'm going down tonight

When did Gamma claim the devil? I must have missed this

[jjh927]

Mechanics cleared Pooky.
In many ways actually.

I honestly would have townread them just because of play differences to another game

Also, just gonna put this out there that I have the same flavor as D&D, so flavor has no meaning.

in what way? are you saying you're the devil also?

Yeah

There’s a reason I posted what I did in my first post of the game. There’s more to it than “scummish flavor that turned out to be shared with an actual scum” but until I think it’s wise to reveal everything I won’t.

Holy fuck how did I miss this

[jjh927]

Mechanics of my role are such that no two people can have the same arcana

For my role I have to target an arcana and my role targets the corresponding player
The phrase corresponding player is used
The role is one that could not feasibly target two players simultaneously

[jjh927]

Oh no wait never mind I totally missed the next part that's not like me at all

[jjh927]

Yeah forget that. My role explicitly has provision for multiple of the same arcana

[jjh927]

Well damn this looks like the best possible outcome

Maybe I can effort on day 4

[jjh927]

I would appreciate it if everyone who hasn't already would claim their flavour though

I am the high priestess

[jjh927]

I would appreciate it if everyone who hasn't already would claim their flavour though

I am the high priestess

Should we claim all willy-nilly or should we setup some order for everyone?

I don't mind

[jjh927]

What did NM and Doctor Pepper have to say

[jjh927]

I think the pretty clear interpretation is scum!Tris here

[jjh927]

Also I'd give good odds on the second scum being FL considering he's pushing two separate and mutually exclusive angles against this being a guilty, and appears to have misrepresented his role COMPLETELY

[jjh927]

FL-

I recall you were pushing for Amy to be the venge because you'd end up with her in your PT. How is it now the case that venge targets do not end up in your PT?

[jjh927]

I have no idea what you're on about

But w/e

[jjh927]

Does anyone want it confirmed whether any particular arcana is in the game or not? I don't think people really have much reason to lie

[jjh927]

Oooh yeah wow I missed that
I've missed a lot here mechanically tbh

[jjh927]

How did you get Pooky then?

[jjh927]

That's not how this game works

[jjh927]

Your performance in a game of mafia is measured over the whole course of the game rather than just the highlights with hindsight

[jjh927]

Yeah I've reevaluated again

This is probably town!FL

[jjh927]

I'm just looking at flips and this setup may be role madness but it looks like it's got a heavy emphasis on day play

If we assume scum!tris, traffic analyser can never hard guilty scum and gets plenty of false positives. Most actions appear relatively weak and seem to involve moving targets about or being untargetable. The tracker is probably the strongest role claimed so far, mechanically speaking

It could just be 2 scum tbh

[jjh927]

There's a lot of anti-synergy to go around

[jjh927]

@JJH - you’d have died like Night 1 if I were scum here.

Yeah honestly that's been at the back of my mind since d2

[jjh927]

Hypothetically, what would y’all say if I said I was a Jester who won by getting faded Day4+? If 2 scum only, and Tris is last scum, i would lose in that scenario.

Completely hypothetical.

I'd say sorry because no-fade then fading you would mean 5 players going into day 5 assuming no kills other than scum nightkills, which kinda sucks if there are 3 scum total or Tris isn't scum or both

[jjh927]

It would be pointless to TA me anyway
You'd get a positive result because I have a crier message

[jjh927]

Oh wait nvm just double checked that
Based on the wiki you would not

[jjh927]

Depends on the phrasing of your role though

[jjh927]

VOTE: Tris

Just so we're clear, this is and has been from the start of the day the only mechanically correct option

[jjh927]

The only reasons I hadn't voted already are for a little bit of discussion time and because Haya should presumably gladiate

[jjh927]

I would appreciate it if everyone who hasn't already would claim their flavour though

I am the high priestess

i thought you were the hierophant?

No, I targeted the hierophant n1 because my role targets arcana rather than players

Hierophant isn't in the game

[jjh927]

Scum
D&D: The Devil - upright
- 1 shot action negator/mailman
- can PM a message to another player through the mod
- bringing negative tendencies to light, attachment

Town
Pooky: The Magician - upright
- ascetic innocent child Arcana cop
- power, focus, significant ability

DrPepper: Strength - reversed
- vengeful/learns number of players that visit them at night
- self-doubt, inner strength, raw emotional reaction

Not Mafia: Justice - upright
- whatever the hell the first part means
- passive [balance] vote when being voted while not voting another player
- justice, fairness, an equal measured response

Ampharos: The Lovers - reversed
- neighbour with tris
- even night targeted redirector
- hated or loved based on action of target
- self-love, disharmony, strained relationships

???
tris: The Lovers - upright
- neighbourizer/conditional BP with neighbours
- choices, unity of two forces

VMP: The Chariot - reversed
- traffic analyst/coroner
- powerlessness, lack of direction

Flavor Leaf: The Fool - reversed?
- has two votes/medium
- one roleblocks, the other brings the player he is voting into his medium PT during the day
- at night deaths automatically go to his PT
- maybe also a jester
- i'm at a loss regarding the tarot meaning

jjh: High Priestess - upright
- crier/targets Arcana and role hits corresponding player
- subconsciousness (we sleep at night?), intuition, divine wisdom

Hayasaka: The Emperor - reversed
- gladiator/conditional tracker
- domination, asserting control

Gamma: The Devil - reversed
- odd-night bus drive
- freedom from limitations, detachment

Fish: Unclaimed/Tower? - reversed?
- non-consecutive roleblocker
- 1-shot day commuter
- resisting change, delaying disaster

other notes:
the Devil and the Lovers counterpart each other, both representing a relationship between two people and visually echoing each other. it makes sense they're the only Arcana with multiple holders. anyone with more knowledge than me might be able to elaborate on this.




this isn't useful, but i went through the trouble so i'm going to post it for interest's sakem i was hoping something about claims could be discovered but while things

fit

, a lot of it is a fairly loose interpretation from me.
but it's enough i'm unwilling to claim my own arcana today.

Good post, but my high priestess is reversed.

[jjh927]

At least, I'm pretty sure this is the case

[jjh927]

@FL, do you PM the mod to distinguish between your roleblocking a slot vs. williboosting it?

@jjh, why did you think Pooky was scum?


~M

Pooky was playing like someone who could strongly indicate he was town mechanically
That means he was either scum, or someone who could strongly indicate they were town mechanically

You may note that my crier message said "Pooky scum unless good mechanics clear behaviour."

[jjh927]

Actually, I guess BEF/Gamma is a possibility

Suggesting I am scum at this point just lowers the stock of your other reads.

Dw, I think I just solved the game. One scum is Tris and the other is spicy.

I think it’s exactly Tris/jjh.

and jjh’s crier posts are setting up FL to be Pooky v2.

Tris makes numerous posts where she keeps claiming to try to parse jjh but for some reason never manages to get around to it and DnD was was working overtime to frame Gamma as their buddy. Gamma’s posts doubting Tris hoods + his questioning Tris about her role are anti-partnery and then there’s my negative which isn’t a complete clear but likely points away from Gamma scum. And then there’s his interactions with me. Scum!Gamma doesn’t come at me like that but I was so tilted at him, I couldn’t see it at the time.

Hya tracked Amy to Tris and his entire play is as genuine af. KD town both by anti-partnery interactions with DnD + play. You are also super obvtown by play, last night Gamma rb + anti-partnery interactions. FL never kills Amy here and he is also spewed town by post #292 + other posts which are clearly anti-partnery, Us, duh!

I will find the posts that back all of this up later but I think FL should unblock Gamma and Gamma needs to bus drive jjh with FL because I think jjh’s crier posts are setting up FL to be Pooky 2.0. We got a clear positive on FL which likely means he was likely telling us the truth about his role, which is why scum needs him dead tonight. FL could also roleblock jjh as well. jjh’s role is weaker than everyone else’s in the game. A crier + odd night Arcana invest of some kind? We already have an Arcana cop in Pooky. Listen to me and we’re 100% winning this.

~M

I'm not investigative

[jjh927]

Wait what exactly do you mean pooky v2

[jjh927]

I can ignore all the other shit, but also there's no guarantee anyone will be able to target me tonight unless I decide to not act, which I don't really see any good reason for rn

[jjh927]

Ahh jjh, rolled scum again, didn't ya?

-Pluto

Nope

Actually very pleased with my role PM

What do you think is my favourite type of role

[jjh927]

FL has hardclaimed a 3p role that would be encouraged to scumside, which hints heavily at a 2 man scumteam anyway

[jjh927]

FL has hardclaimed a 3p role that would be encouraged to scumside, which hints heavily at a 2 man scumteam anyway

That’s actually possible and would make the most sense, because the only player who has clear scum equity is Tris. However, wouldn’t Tris scumflip make his role more likely to be town? Jester is not like SK though. So as long as Tris flips scum, wouldn’t the game then end based off of what you’re suggesting? And why does jester!FL insist that Hya will gladiate him D4, right after very briefly st him? Yes it appears to be blatantly jestery but I can definitely see clear town motivation in that and he did that right after Hya’s FL’s saving the town comment and that is really the only time he has done anything blatantly jestery. So sure it’s possible but based off of play, very unlikely, so I apologize if I’m wrongly sr you here. FL clearly isn’t buddies with DnD and if his role is real, clearly not with Tris.

Only one kill per night would mean if FL is a 3P, it’s definitely not a killing role, so if your two-man scumteam theory is accurate and Tris flips scum, wouldn’t we still win? Jester is never a scum role and so long as this game literally isn’t bastard, we don’t lose even if he’s actually jester.

~M

Yes, the game will end after Tris dies if I am correct and I think you're all way overthinking it considering what we know right now

[jjh927]

@jjh, why did you select the Hierophant card on night 1 in particular considering it is so close to your claimed flavour, High Priestess?

The Hierophant is the masculine counterpart to the High Priestess.

https://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-card-m ... ierophant/

~M

[jjh927]

You know I mentioned a few more people than just Pooky in my N1 crier message right

[jjh927]

I mostly talked about FL in the N2 crier message to really drive home that there was this 100% rock solid thing through which I could prove his role if I was dead, so there'd be doubt if no such 100% rock solid thing was revealed

[jjh927]

Yeah it was sudden, so I’m not really seeing the point of it. I quoted that post from Maria specifying that the game isn’t bastard and only a jester role that literally ends the game would be considered bastard. But a jester role even if 3P, is still never a scum role. The only scum 3P role that I’m aware of is SK (or some other kind of killing role) and there is clearly no SK (3P killing role in this game) in the game, so I don’t understand how jjh gets FL possible scum from that. I do think that either 11 towns + 2 scum is ridiculously townsided as are 10 towns + 1 non-bastard jester + 2 scum, so his mech conclusion would seem unlikely, especially with the extent of hardclaimed town power and based off of what jjh said in his crier message N2, it sure looks like an odd night Arcana rolecop to me based on that but he shot down invest. so I have no clue then what it possibly could be other than that.

~M

i'm going to sound really stupid asking this but is this you agreeing with suspicion of jjh or giving reasons for him to be town? i believe it's the former but i'm having some issues concentrating on the intent of the post.

my theory is jjh's role gets feedback on whether it worked or not, meaning he can verify if a given arcana is in the game by targeting that arcana with his role and seeing if it goes off.

jjh: i was asking about your FL read. what in your reread prompted the conclusion he was probably town after your suspicion?
and what's your opinion on Amy's validity as a nightkill target?

Your theory is correct

Which reread? I've gone back and forth on FL. I think it's gone null-scum-town-scum-town-scum-3p/don't care
Amy was not and never would be a nightkill target. Tris is guilty

[jjh927]

VC 3.1

Tris (4): BrightEyedFish, Gamma Emerald, jjh927, Flavor Leaf
Flavor Leaf (1): tris
Gamma Emerald (1): Flavor Leaf

Not Voting (3): Hayasaka, Kaname Date, Venus Mars and Pluto

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-25 03:37:43)

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to fade away

Wow, it’s at E -1 already.

Intent to hammer, whenever

Whenever you guys want to end the day, I’m 100% onboard with this.

Does a commute function similarly to a roleblock? If so, I think that BEF should commute jjh.

~M

Can't commute what is already functionally commuting

[jjh927]

Like, I COULD explicitly not use my action

But when I fullclaim you'll understand that there isn't a way of stopping me do things on odd nights, even if I'd like to be able to be confirmed town by such a thing because the capacity is there

[jjh927]

Yeah it was sudden, so I’m not really seeing the point of it. I quoted that post from Maria specifying that the game isn’t bastard and only a jester role that literally ends the game would be considered bastard. But a jester role even if 3P, is still never a scum role. The only scum 3P role that I’m aware of is SK (or some other kind of killing role) and there is clearly no SK (3P killing role in this game) in the game, so I don’t understand how jjh gets FL possible scum from that. I do think that either 11 towns + 2 scum is ridiculously townsided as are 10 towns + 1 non-bastard jester + 2 scum, so his mech conclusion would seem unlikely, especially with the extent of hardclaimed town power and based off of what jjh said in his crier message N2, it sure looks like an odd night Arcana rolecop to me based on that but he shot down invest. so I have no clue then what it possibly could be other than that.

~M

i'm going to sound really stupid asking this but is this you agreeing with suspicion of jjh or giving reasons for him to be town? i believe it's the former but i'm having some issues concentrating on the intent of the post.

my theory is jjh's role gets feedback on whether it worked or not, meaning he can verify if a given arcana is in the game by targeting that arcana with his role and seeing if it goes off.

jjh: i was asking about your FL read. what in your reread prompted the conclusion he was probably town after your suspicion?
and what's your opinion on Amy's validity as a nightkill target?

Your theory is correct

Which reread? I've gone back and forth on FL. I think it's gone null-scum-town-scum-town-scum-3p/don't care

Amy was not and never would be a nightkill target

. Tris is guilty

A) Why don’t you care about FL’s alignment?

and

B)

How can you be so certain of that? Why couldn’t have Amy been the actual target?

and

C) if Amy were the actual NK target, would that make Tris not/less guilty in your eyes?

While I think it highly likely that Amy died as a direct result of her NA on Tris. I can also see it probable that Tris would target the slot that made no bones about gunning for her.

~M

He claimed jester. If the game doesn't end with Tris' lynch, why would we not lynch a doublevoter jester claim?

Amy was just not a nightkill there. I don't see any sensible justification for that.

Less guilty but still probably scum

[jjh927]

@jjh, why did you select the Hierophant card on night 1 in particular considering it is so close to your claimed flavour, High Priestess?

The Hierophant is the masculine counterpart to the High Priestess.

https://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-card-m ... ierophant/

~M

https://pm1.narvii.com/6771/3702fb8f4dc ... fv2_hq.jpg

??????

Are you not planning to answer my question?

~M

Noone can just deflect the emerald splash

[jjh927]

I mostly talked about FL in the N2 crier message to really drive home that there was this 100% rock solid thing through which I could prove his role if I was dead, so there'd be doubt if no such 100% rock solid thing was revealed

Did you really think you’d be the NK over a confirmed gladiator and a traffic analyst?

~M

Actually yes. But I wouldn't be the NK over other a few other slots. Separately, however, there's a higher chance than usual in these circumstances due to Gamma being a bus driver.

[jjh927]

Does game end

[jjh927]

Come on, you can tell me

[jjh927]

Arr

VOTE: FL

Walk the plank

[jjh927]

FL's allegiance stopped mattering when he claimed jester

Either he'd be sleeping with the fishes since we've no reason to keep a jester on board, or he'd be marooned for his deception

[jjh927]

No, me matey, FL is the last

[jjh927]

NM was an acceptable casualty

[jjh927]

Start at post 1605.

Look at the first word of the first post, the second word of the second post, and so on

This is what would have confirmed FL's role

[jjh927]

I feel like you got a lot of things confused and are making a lot of assumptions but we still win so w/e

[jjh927]

You're right that FL isn't the fool, which honestly I feel is a pretty dumb lie unless it's confirmed somewhere that duplicates are bad
And if all scum are duplicate arcana then that's kinda hmm for setup

[jjh927]

I'm supposed to get PM confirmation my action worked, so if you are the fool there's been a mod error

[jjh927]

Nancy, not sure what you think my "3p scum theory" was but it was more of a logic based direction of play than a theory. Effectively, the game after FL claimed jester was likely to be either a 2 man scum team plus FL as a 3p jester, or a 3 man scum team including FL. Since FL claimed jester that would want murdering on D4, I figured we could ignore him completely and then vote him out on day 4. Simple stuff. Don't ever let FL have backsies

[jjh927]

KD probably got vigged lmao

Fair enough tbh, they were in my poe

[jjh927]

I would never have let you take back a jester claim

[jjh927]

I had explicitly resolved to fade you today no matter whether you said you wanted it or not

[jjh927]

Oh, I actually am untargetable if my hide succeeds

[jjh927]

I'll give you that your plan could conceivably have worked, and you definitely maneuvered around me successfully to some degree

Maybe could have done with putting in more effort than I did but my reads were still as accurate as ever and people still followed me on DnD even without me saying anything lmao

[jjh927]

Oh, my hide was only odd night fwiw
and obviously I could have died if you shot my target
And also it targeted arcanas so it was bust in n1

[jjh927]

The only consistent thing about it was the 300 character crier lmao

[jjh927]

I think I played as well as I could considering.

Medium claim was rough, but i had to cover, lol. I was ready in fuck it mode by then.

I just wanna be town, guys

It started as a pretty good claim if you ask me, then you kept changing bits
then you claimed jester so I stopped caring

[jjh927]

What would you have said to prove you were in a PT with me, FL

[jjh927]

Maria, please don’t ever deviate so flagrantly from the standard role names + utilities like you did here, it makes things really hard to parse

Honestly, the only important thing with roles in theme games is that mods don't rely on the standard role names and explain how all roles work independently. I don't like making assumptions so I knew to ask what a hide action meant in the context of this game, but other people don't do that.

[jjh927]

Nancy, that's not how regular hiders play

Hiders hide behind people who aren't gonna get NKed. That means you hide behind scummy people and scumreads

[jjh927]

Ngl NM's role was actually very straightforward. I wouldn't have had any questions about how the role operated.