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Actually, that makes one of the dubious propositions less dubious, now that I think of it. If Ydrasse was actively trying to get tea leaves dead, I'd expect a little more oomph in that vote. So maybe she didn't think there was any realistic chance of a tea leaves elimination. I'd say in a tea leaves / Ydrasse team, she was the worse positioned of the two - so if she seriously wanted to go about gaining cred, she'd need a case - not just a vote that could be dismissed as a vote anyone could cast in her shoes.

Yeah, I agree that the lack of oomph in her vote is odd for a distance

However, while she was voting Guilty earlier in the day, she mentioned going back on her tea scumread, thinking what she saw earlier to be NAI. I think she did that to justify why she was trying to start a wagon on Guilty instead (when Isis/Gamma were already doing a tea wagon).

Because of that reversal, she couldn't realistically go hard on tea at that point. She didn't have any build up to a huge scumread there. So her vote sort of comes off as "meh, she has to do it because it's the only counterwagon, tea isn't that scummy but she has to vote there at this point"

I don't think she had any other options than to vote tea there really, she realistically should have been thinking "One of me / tea is dying today". And then the vote doesn't even really earn much cred because of her earlier reversal. But voting tea was probably the best she had

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You're supposed to break me out of my tunnel not feed into it

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Black has all the bats

yup!! i would always incorporate black into my decks.

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Should i towncase Isis? or not bother

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im probably only attacking tea so hard because my omgus activated

they also happen to be my best pick for scum

but they are also really really good at reading me. I know it isn't fair to burden of proof this but they pretty much always get me right

i'll take a deep breath and maybe reread Farren sometime. WHo even else would it be?

Should i towncase Isis? or not bother

I’ll listen.
Though, you did town case ydrasse and, alas.

true but this one wouldn't be meta

i fucked up on ydrasse but at least it wasn't her gameplay, it was just me thinking I understood her meta

i was very very wrong

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Damn now im worried i could possibly towncase both scum in one game

it'll be a pretty unbiased read through of isis i think because now im nervous about being wrong

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i blame Bell

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Clidd hasn't been on my mind in ages, if he was, I'd probably townread tea more

the trig was awful and still is but probably only because the deadline is tight this week and i am bad at math

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Seriously though, please don't partner me with Ydrasse, it's insulting. If I was scum this game, I would never have been able to pull that off with Ydrasse scum.
At least partner me with someone that makes sense.
Like tealeaves. :shifty:

Remind me, pull what off, exactly?

The distancing MT,
I went out of my way to give my partner a hard time when they weren't under suspicion when I came into the game.
It's just something I would ever do, especially when I have no idea how competent they are or how well they would react to me.
It's wifomy, I know, but to me it's pretty obvious that I just don't do that stuff to untested partners.

What do you think abt this sequence, Isis? from what i understand you still harbour a basically closeted suspicion on bell still that you've given up on due to consensus

this is one of my personal favourite interactions that feels very believable from town!Bell

i feel under the impression I'm throwing the game rn so i've just been mulling over D2 trying to find whatever it is im missing. Don't think it's bell..

I reread a bunch of Isis but i misjudged how easy it'd be to towncase her. There's still a ton of stuff that gives me townpings, which made me think doing a towncase would be easy. but like, it's stupid shit like "Yeah this feels real" mostly across the board

Cause Isis doesn't have hard clearing interactions with Ydrasse. Her vote on Ydrasse yesterday was kind of underwhelming. She swapped off of GL to Ydrasse because Dunn said he TR GL and because "oh well GL vs. Ydrasse"?? I pointed that out MYSELF. She sticks out like a sore thumb interaction wise compared to like, everyone else

but i also can't shake that it doesn't feel right to say it's her. here lemme give an exampe -- this is the response that sort of caused me to domino effect from reconsidering Isis -> into unvoting GL -> into voting Ydrasse yesterday:

my reads are all over the place

I'm not used to not getting my way and maybe I kind of selfdestructed this game after being really confident about tea leaves and really wanting it and the whole game just saying "no"

the game's consensus has felt really hard against me all game too even though I haven't been scumread.

Like at a certain point if you don't get to play you just want to see other people play and see how it turns out? I guess. And Dunnstral is at least conftown.

I've felt really disengaged from this game

Why? Well I guess it felt sort of real to me. and so did, like these:

I don't think I've interacted with Ydrasse in any way that should look associatively good. I like her as a person but I guess I mostly don't have good rebuttals to all the people scumreading her aside from a toneread so it's pretty natural that my relationship to her looks like could be buddies.

I think I've been independently towny this game though so you should be able to figure out I'm not scum with anyone

watch it be Bell tea leaves and after the game I will be sitting here shaking my head

why not just ask her tomorrow?

Oh I thought she was hammered

I legitimately had isis at the top of my reads for the first 1/2 of the game it felt like. but i waffled on it cause I cleared so many other people. im starting to heavily suspect my original read wasn't invalid. here's one i was reminded of while reading for example, during that time i had her as my favourite town

Isis still feel very good about being town. recently I liked the way she read Dunn even after 90% of the thread said they weren't firefighter. It's like the opposite of that argument people were using on Ydrasse for being "too accepting too soon"

Spoiler: these posts

Dunn do you realize that when you claimed FF the mechanical probability you were scum became 67%?

I was saying to think about why posting cases on GL before CC is complete is bad.

it is bad because with town!Dunn and scum!GL GL gets advanced notice and can claim FF so that we stump Dunn. While if you wait for GL to claim VT and go for endgame, right after he claims VT you can say "btw you're not endgaming once I believe Dunn to be scum you're the one I hate" and he can't switch to counterclaiming FF

I'm naturally much more doubtful Dunnstral is scum the more he continues to engage the thread
But previously it was the high base probability plus the way he said hi.
I'm bemused that he didn't say "it wasn't an apology" or "I apologize sometimes", he just said I'm reachy

this wasn't supposed to turn into the Isis towncase but it sort of is (>ω>)

I think Isis has the worst interactions with Ydrasse, at least in a distancing sense. However, if it's not Isis like i'm thinking, then clearly SOMEONE was distancing her. Which really only makes sense considering they probably would have figured she wasn't going to survive the length of the game. in a way Isis having weak interactions with Ydrasse points away from it being Isis but that's WIFOM i guess so

pedit:

UNVOTE:

i will look at non tea leaves players tomorrow

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This was offset to some extent because ydrasse probably wouldn’t interact with her partner the least out of all the players. Though perhaps because of how Dunnstral flipped it made her stand out more.
The wording she uses to address ydrasse feels fairly condescending. Or perhaps better put, like they’re on opposite sides of the aisle.

no, that team would make no sense?? I also addressed this directly in an earlier post:

If Dunn flips scum she's definitely town though

you're better than this, surely?

this, right?

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I read 2030 just now after 2031

it reminded me that Ydrasse's bizarre "vote someone before claim procedure is over" thing is bad on anyone if she's scum but like extra bad if voting GL was a bus

cause she knows he's not going to claim FF, he's the team deepwolf

so that's what makes her mind go dismissy on the claim patience

she is all about oh no i am the most suspected and dunnstral chop bounced cause claim, i need to contribute with some antispew

I think i remember what you're referring to

that is a really big oversight by ydrasse if true

Okay so Dunn claims FF, everyone confirms they're a tree except GL hasn't yet, Ydrasse decides to vote GL (assuming no CC). Now the tea leaves wagon is available with Isis/Gamma on it, Ydrasse has 2 people voting for her, and she already had a suspicion on tea earlier that she hasn't denounced yet.

Why does she push GL.. why not tea? She goes back on the tea suspicion a bit after voting GL I assume to justify the vote. It's somewhat odd behaviour to me

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hi tea

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Is this the first time you've ever tunneled someone, Morning? I'm honoured if it is.

i dont think i usually get tunnel vision on ppl cause i dont usually scumread ppl

im not sure if this qualifies as a scumread or what. It was supposed to be an explanation of why your interactions with Ydrasse don't clear you but it got way bigger after you scumread me at the start of the day because i felt like throwing a fit abt it

Sorry about that

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Morning Tweet it's antispew

you can't antispew by voting townies
only by voting your partner

i guess so?

Seems seriously unnecessary in that situation

I'm looking over GL's ISO, i think I like his end of day yesterday but dont quote me on that yet.

He also bullies Ydrasse even more than I remember jesus LOL

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tweet if GL isnt' scum I don't know who the scum is anymore :(

tea maybe

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please help me are you town

yes

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i don't like this game i don't like having a poe that poes everyone and then i have nowhere to believe

That's been my experience in every game I've ever played

And yet i still play this game for some reason

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Do you think I'm scum for reasons outside of Ydrasse-ruling out stuff and not correctly calling you town?

No but im willing to ignore that because A.) i realize that you are good at scum and i've never seen scum!you before and B.) I don't find anyone else scummy for independent reasons either. like this is me we're talking abt here

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Hectic is OP at both alignments

all the more reason i felt butthurt by them not finding my towntell for some reason

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i don't like this game i don't like having a poe that poes everyone and then i have nowhere to believe

It’s you.

if this worked i would be scum 100% of the time

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I now think Morning is obvtown lol

My push was clearly needed to draw this towny reaction so gonna call my tunnel-induce calculated

The sheer level of emotion i am going to have to reproduce as scum at this point is immense

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i don't like this game i don't like having a poe that poes everyone and then i have nowhere to believe

It’s you.

if this worked i would be scum 100% of the time

i'm gonna pretend i didn't scumread you in wolf dance in exactly the same manner Bell is scumreading me

:good: :good: :good: :good: :good: :good: :good: :good:

oh yeah THAT WAS YOU I WAS THINKING OF

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Bell solve the game

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Morning Tweet you are really fun and one of my favorite players.

i'm just drunkposting perpendicular to wincon i might get voted for pocketing
remember the first game we played
where i convinced you to mark heaven
using reasons
and arguments
and persuasion
and friendship
it was so great
such good times
good times were had

;')

I think that game is a big part of what got me hooked on playing mafia this year.

i just found it so funny and absurd that someone who has no idea who i am was willing to go to such lengths to get my vote for something that was honestly not very important even in the scheme of that game

so ty for that it was really cool and fun

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Tea do like, a tiny lil self meta case

Like when Bell said "I would never go out of my way to give my scum partner a hard time upon entering the game where they're not even under any pressure. I'm just not that kind of player"

im a sucker for that kind of defence despite it burning me at least once or twice

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But self-meta is so valuable for you two read me in future games. Maybe my philosophy should be to play every mafia game like it's the last though?

Biggest indicator I want to give you is that as scum I feel the need to be relatively consistent and have quite unchanging reads. My progressions are gradual and you can see how stuff is changing, albeit very gradually. You can see this in Your Nightmare, or my Replacement for Sujimichi game off the top of my head.

Here I have multiple sharp turns in reads and progressions all over the place.

haha i just say exactly how it is and give every reason i can think of as to why it's so obvious to me that im not scum in every single game

I would literally hand people the key to solving me if necessary

it sounds like something that would negatively impact my scum game but I haven't really had a chance to find out. maybe it would. or maybe i figure something out. unsure

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It won’t burn you this time. But yeah, I can be a sucker for them too.

i highly resent this line if you're scum

add that to the growing list of lines im mad abt in the event ur scum

Arsonists are actually really nice people and I'm quite sad that we've resorted to hunting them down in this fashion. It's freezing cold out there at night. They need logs and a campfire, all they want is some warmth! We're monsters.

we are made of logs

u want them to dismember us? just so they can warm their butts up a little bit?

A tragedy, this game may end with the arsonist also dying in a fire.

That was my reads list and solve by the way.
GT > IS > MT > tea > farren in terms of likelihood.

You’re welcome MT.

thank youu

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Be like ydrasse, make clear, easy digestible self meta and then in the next game do the exact opposite of what you said you would do.

Grr

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MT hsbr i made any lines this game that would make you mad if i was scum?

lots of stuff that would surprise me but i don't recall you saying anything like "Don't worry, you're not wrong this time, I'm not scum"-- so probably not

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ok i think that is acceptable ya

just nevr forget about the bats

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Why is it obvious you're not scum in this game?? I think it forces people to improve and adapt their town-meta into their scumgame, so I think it's actually a good thing for improving it.

Also, did my self-meta sway you at all?

obvious to

me

im not scum anyway

maybe, maybe

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I have no idea why scum would CC the firefighter

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I don't think Ydrasse knowing GL wouldn't CC the firefighter is indictative of anything, she would know that GL won't if he's town, she would know he won't if he's scum. i dont see why scum would CC the firefighter

and even then it's not like Ydrasse *exactly* indicated she knew GL wouldn't CC, she just said that she assumed he wouldn't and then proceeded to vote him. Yeah she did know, since she's scum. I don't really think it ties into GL's alignment

what im most interested in is how GL was pretty much consistently clawing at Ydrasse, and pretty much vice versa

Very early game Ydrasse "talks herself into voting GL". GL is also voting Ydrasse at this point. So they mutually scumread each other on page 15

Later on, she finds something of tea scummy and votes them.

Then, she decides what she found about tea isn't scummy and reverts back to GL. This is her most decorated/justified vote of D1 i think

this is on the presumption that dunn is uncc'd + if it is and i'm asleep everyone can strongarm an elim on him through regardless

VOTE: guiltylion

town dunn makes me feel better about tea + that vote a while back. my working brain completely brushed over the fact gl had said that thing about me + dunn. i don't like how he was ready to switch to me at any point were the signs there and then didn't really do much about it when i joined a wagon that he was also on. even if he thinks that we don't make sense together i'd think that someone would be a little more worried about their Strongest (?) scumread hopping on with them.

p-edit: ya that's fine with me

There is no one voting for GL at this point, and there won't be. Currently Ydrasse and tea both are at 2 votes

And then, GL and Gamma swap to Ydrasse. Farren and Isis vote Tea. Ydrasse is @ X-2 and tea is at X-3

Ydrasse gives up voting GL to join the tea wagon, but is not happy about it, clearly preferring GL.

Dunn, Bell, Isis, and tea all deus ex machina Ydrasse out of being killed, but with the stances Ydrasse/GL have taken on each other, they're in for a death tunnel of each other D2.

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And what conclusions do you draw from all that?
PEdit> to Morning Tweet, re: 2141

I'm working on that

I just find it seriously odd -- it really seems to me that she should have been voting for tea, but she instead goes back on what she said about them, votes GL instead, and THEN when it's actually time to vote tea, they're just like "eeEeeEhh not as town as others I guess"

What was the point of that

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As a refresher

Spoiler: Compilation of GL trying to kill Ydrasse

I don't like that Ydrasse pops in on page 12 and doesn't really bother to comment about clidd at all

idk I like tea leaves entrance, especially the point about Isis reaction to it being genuine - I had some reservations about Menalque/Isis slot but I think that read on it makes sense

VOTE: Ydrasse
I don't feel she's actually trying to solve

@Isis - yes she did, she readily gave a read on MT when prompted

GL I'm not finding where ydrasse talked about her read, is the pop-in being complained about several pages ago?

page 12, posts 283 and 285

i think this is probably a self-centered view regarding guiltylion because he voted me, but it feels as if he's hyperfocused on a few small things that are at odds with being as cognizant of the game state as he is?

like, i guess it seems like a macro assessment of things (that i agreed with, no one pushing anything with vengeance) that zooms in onto me for reasons that don't hold much weight fmpov (the vote and me not trying to find the baddies) which seems... contradictory? in how to view the game as a whole.

how am I not being cognizant of the game state?

like from my view - I'm re-evaluating clidd slot and pressuring a slot that has been voting him the whole game yet not seemingly updating that read based on the content he's given. That leads me to decide to vote/pressure you. Why can you not imagine this coming from a town!GL perspective?

will not be around to Properly talk/etc but @tea, what about guilty feels off to you? i remember your slot's predecessor saying the exact same thing and i'm wondering if you can verbalize it a bit better?

guys

why does Ydrasse ask this to someone about someone she claims to be scumreading/voting?

am I the only one seeing this?

can you cite the games you looked at? I've played with Ydrasse twice now (once where she was scum and once where she was town) and she feels completely different than both games.

Can you elaborate on the differences here? Between Town/Scum/Here|Ydrasse?

I think the main thing standing out to me is that in both of our Newbie games together, Ydrasse was more matter of fact, I want to say "formal" but it's not quite that, but just like, direct and to the point. Here's a sample post:

Ydrasse, I don’t like you.

You read as null to me. You read as null to everyone despite consistently posting. You don’t dominate the conversation but you do participate. Nothing you say or do specifically stands out. You’re good at keeping attention away from yourself by making non-contentious statements.

If this were a non-normal game, I’d think you were a Serial Killer or Survivor.

I want to know what is going on here.

this is the second time that you've referred to me as deflecting attention away from myself, the first being in 46. is there any post(s) in particular that have made you feel this way? because i would say that while i am perhaps non-contentious in the sense i am not aggressive about my pushes, i've been making the efforts to do so; mujie, while being closer to the start of the game being one and a vote on pearofclubs being another.

it might just be that this is my playstyle, and that i'm not a particularly Loud voice at times. i offer my input where i feel it works, push where i need to, blah blah. i'm not really worried about changing it up for the sake of being more ~memorable though.

midway is right though that it's a bit of a sweeping statement to say i'm null to everyone. i'm generally in the lower rungs of town reads i'd say which... is pretty average to how i'm considered in all the games i've played so far.

similarly, here's one from her scum game

i don't think that wagoning the slot is inherently a bad idea just because someone's gonna replace into it.

however, my poe still includes italiano as a potential solve; rereading his iso (b/c of their self-vote from yesterday), his only mention of pii before they started adding pii into their solve was 81 where they townread them. and then they come back to that slot in 188 with a scumread.

i think that what pinged me about this was that it came after italiano self-voting. while i think that frustration is within a vacuum nai, that he had pressure on him and then turned to a self-vote after feels very ate-y to me. the vibe i got was that it was a bit dramatic (that being "i've tried to no avail.") before it was being brushed off and he replaced his vote on his scumread and jumped back in. it feels as if the pii scumread of convenience because italiano doesn't interact with the content of the few posts themselves.

supporting the idea that italiano could theoretically do this as scum is 204, in which he says he's been in wolf games before this and has done bold moves which to me reads as a dissonance between something i pointed out in 79 and 91, where he asserts that he is a new player to this sort of stuff. i think that while there is not a 1:1 between all versions of mafia and italiano is new to this format, i feel in particular 91 feels a bit wifomy having 204 to read now.

that being said, i could see pii as scum despite this, though without more to judge i don't think i'm sold entirely on the idea. it's possible that italiano was frustrated, if they are scum with pii, that their partner has been inactive thus far and finds it easier to bus them at this point.

pii's posts were nondescript to me and i don't feel that i can say much more on the slot until someone replaces into it and becomes active.

VOTE: ItalianoVD

as either alignment, it's these kinds of post I expect from Ydrasse, a bunch of references to things going on, several paragraphs with lots of different thoughts and points, and kind of a straightforward approach to arguing. The difference I'm feeling here is that I haven't seen these types of posts from Ydrasse yet really, she's posting more casually and friendly.

It

might

be her just feeling more comfortable on the site and letting more of her personality out, maybe emulating some other players she's seen/read (I kinda feel like she's channeling more of a skitter vibe in this game), but do you have a sense of the difference I'm trying to point to? I know I just lazily grabbed one post from each game but if you do an ISO dive you can see it, there's just a lot more to-the-point content, here it feels like she's more chatty and peppering her posts with exclamation points and faces.

all that said, ISO skimming her here, 523 and 524 are the first few posts where I see more of the style I was seeing in these older games.

Farren - what is your read on Ydrasse, specifically? You're pushing back on my reasons for scumreading her, is that because you townread her?

here, you indicated you were thinking about voting her:

UNVOTE: Morning Tweet
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I was going to switch to Ydrasse next, but I saw something that I thought had ... a connection, I guess? ... to a part of the gamestate, and I want to see if it develops on its own without me poking at it first.

Gamma, I saw one brief moment where you put yourself out there - and then you withdrew. Got anything else like that?

has the connection you referred to played out, can you explain what that was?

overall I think I'm like here

{Isis, MT}
{tea leaves, Gamma}
{Bell, Farren}
{Dunn, Ydrasse}

Isis I'm not following 600, what's the inconsistency there

because there's more interest in Dunn right now, I pushed Ydrasse for a good ~500 posts and like three different people have her as hardtown

I'd happily go back to Ydrasse in a heartbeat if you want to start that up again

tldr: i think she'd feel pressured to play harder as scum, even if she has less access than normal and feels very comfortable with the playerlist, she'd at least do at least an effort post or two, just a single wall for one of her reads! She'd want to help her arso buddy by trying at least the best she can to not be eliminated

I read and have been chewing on your whole post but I'm quoting the tl;dr for cleanliness sake

I definitely think she's not playing to a tryhard scum meta here, I think you're right that from her past games she's shown a tendency to wall/fight/do more when she feels the game is in danger. and the point about there being no real reason for scum!her to intentionally change up her meta is fair.

I guess my hangup here is I'm not sure a scum!Ydrasse would have felt in danger yet this game - what do you think? Like I agree she's not trying to look like she's scumhunting, but I don't see her actually scumhunting either. Her wagon has grown some legs since Bell replaced in and the last time I caught up

with respect to the L-1 Dunn vote, that was after you posted this whole analysis - wouldn't scum!Ydrasse know that trying hard at that point, especially when dropping an L-1 is going to stand out?

If Dunn flips scum she's definitely town though

no, that team would make no sense?? I also addressed this directly in an earlier post:

If Dunn flips scum she's definitely town though

you're better than this, surely?

I'm not the firefighter

VOTE: Ydrasse

this is on the presumption that dunn is uncc'd + if it is and i'm asleep everyone can strongarm an elim on him through regardless

VOTE: guiltylion

town dunn makes me feel better about tea + that vote a while back. my working brain completely brushed over the fact gl had said that thing about me + dunn. i don't like how he was ready to switch to me at any point were the signs there and then didn't really do much about it when i joined a wagon that he was also on. even if he thinks that we don't make sense together i'd think that someone would be a little more worried about their Strongest (?) scumread hopping on with them.

p-edit: ya that's fine with me

Yeah I kinda feel like this is a bit too accepting of his claim in a way? Like it feels very self-assured that this won’t be rebuked
If GL doesn’t CC I’m inclined to vote out Ydrasse, and if Ydrasse flips scum that probably clears GL because Ydrasse would know if GL was her partner and if they were partners there’d be that chance of a CC

yeah +1 to this

like if Ydrasse knows both Dunn/I are town, then she knows his claim is true
if she were town, maybe Dunn is scum fake claiming and I (potential FF) just hadn't posted yet

i think a better way to put it is tea isn’t as towny as others

why not

VOTE: Ydrasse

literally no content on D1, no content today. there's only reason I'm being wagoned instead of her is because I don't mince words and I've been stepping on toes by actually trying to play the game

I think MT/Bell are town

the gamestate points to TL town, I think. I doubt her partner would have voted with her on Dunn/Gamma wagons, and I think it's suspicious that no one seems interested in voting her today despite her being a leading wagon for most of D1, especially since I didn't push her at all yesterday but I opened with voting her today. That points to scum saving her for a future mis-elimination, especially now if/when I'm chopped

Farren... idk. I don't like him angling to potentially vote me "based off my reaction" to E-1

Isis/Ydrasse has a scum in it, if not both. I think in hindsight Menalque's early game may have been distancing, and I don't think these two have substantially interacted since.

the one oddity about Isis/Ydrasse is both voting TL

but I think Ydrasse's TL vote was a survival vote, she was careful not to actually scum read TL at any point, instead giving that nonsense of "isn't as town as others" in 1178

I don't recall a single read from Ydrasse other than town!MT

i actually think now i'd prefer dunn over tea leaves; my read on tea leaves in that situation kind of rests on the implication that dunn is scum along with tea and i can... feasibly believe that tea believes farren is scum even if i don't think that the examples provided are particularly damning.

i also don't have a reason to really townread dunn in comparison to other people.

VOTE: dunn

[quote="In post 1178, Ydrasse"

]i think a better way to put it is tea isn’t as towny as others

ugh is more of me not knowing if everyone else is seeing more into tea than i am and giving it a sure why not

like

this is how she justified two of her votes yesterday

she gave more reasoning for voting me than anyone else she voted, but I'm town so[/quote]

has nobody come in with a "here's why both wagons are wrong"/"this is scum jumping on [x] wagon" sort of take? I'd expect to see at least one of those if it's TvT

that's also assuming that gl is scum and if not the game's lost anyways so it's moot

2/2 scum in (tea, mt, isis, bell, farren) feels like something i could never solve but that's more of a personal take

as an aside, what is with all the fatalism in this game

"if [x] is scum it's gg, we already lost" type of sentiment is just lazy play and costs games

is the deadline really in 7 hours?

VOTE: Ydrasse

I'm not really all that sure this flips scum anymore though tbh :/

he has a staggering amount of material against Ydrasse -- as early as page 15 up til just before her death. There are (4) noticeable points where GL strays from tunneling Ydrasse, from what I can recall.

1. In RVS he pushed clidd, but dropped off that in favour of Ydrasse around page 15

2. He helped me push Dunn, but he kept Ydrasse on the same tier as Dunn

3. At the start of D2, he started off pushing tea. However, he claims that was just to see who joined it. He did hint pretty hard that is what he was doing]

and 4. Right before Ydrasse died, he had second thoughts because he couldn't think of who her partner would be. He still voted her of course, but I thought it noteworthy

[Morning Tweet]

glad i could be Guilty's lawyer

With all of the options there are in the game, who is more likely than tea?

VOTE: tea

[Morning Tweet]

What are you concluding from that post, Morning? You think it's all genuine and Guilty is town?

If Guilty is scum, he's a rather mean and hard bussing partner to Ydrasse who presumably he doesn't know very well and also can't set up his interactions with her in a PT. Well, actually I'm confused about that, maybe they technically could've

@Mod

Could scum talk during pregame?

[Morning Tweet]

But regardless I really don't see it being Guilty

Farren I reread through -- very hard against Ydrasse although not to the same extent. He actually unvotes Ydrasse on D1, thinking her elimination to be assured, to vote elsewhere. Not sure i get that voting philosophy but he doesn't make the same mistake on D2 and sticks to Ydrasse the whole way i think

[Morning Tweet]

Whether or not scum could talk during pregame actually makes a big difference for me. I can see Ydrasse telling Hobbes to bus her, but if there was none, I agree that it seems a little odd for Hobbes to be bussing her so much considering she's relatively new.

Yup this is primarily what i am interested in. The rules do not mention pregame talk but I believe GL/Farren mentioned they could speak pregame..?

[Morning Tweet]

If Ydrasse is in your scum reads why aren't you voting there?

Case: To put it as simply as possible. Ydrasse is self-narrating, watching and waiting, pocketing Isis in a way that is confusing because Isis should know he's being pocketed.
And a bunch of other minor things.

Think of it as the replace in perspective. To me Ydrasse looks like obvious scum. (inb4 she flips town). But I think my read is quite serious. I'm fine with ending the day now on that elimination and I can case if I want and I don't think Ydrasse could do much to change my mind on their slot because they made too many posts that ping to me.

Does scum!Bell call his partner obvious scum almost immediately upon replacing in? There was no heat on her at the time for the most part because Guilty was helping me with Dunn

[Morning Tweet]

Farren had not even expressed interest in voting Ydrasse yet before Bell made those posts, from what I am seeing. He bounced off of me, to Gamma, to Guilty

[Morning Tweet]

Alright, so -- Bell. You were very hard onto Ydrasse D1, until the end where you waffled onto Gamma, saying that your new opinion was Gamma>Ydrasse>tea to be killed

However, on the next day, you proceeded to vote for me, and then GL.

What made you change your mind on Ydrasse to the point where you dropped her off completely until the hammer vote (Where you specifically call attention to how your initial read on Ydrasse was to scumread her)?

i'm sure the answer is probably in your ISO but i dont have the time atm

[Morning Tweet]

well this is interesting!

[Morning Tweet]

Alright, so -- Bell. You were very hard onto Ydrasse D1, until the end where you waffled onto Gamma, saying that your new opinion was Gamma>Ydrasse>tea to be killed

However, on the next day, you proceeded to vote for me, and then GL.

What made you change your mind on Ydrasse to the point where you dropped her off completely until the hammer vote (Where you specifically call attention to how your initial read on Ydrasse was to scumread her)?

i'm sure the answer is probably in your ISO but i dont have the time atm

this is still what im wondering

[Morning Tweet]

i think that the most reasonable thing to assume is that

when i'm flipped (town)

, gl becomes tomorrow's elim based on the general poe.

lol i just noticed this

This isn't related to the current game at all but i do find it kind of funny she clarified that she flips town

[Morning Tweet]

Moooooooooorning, do you believe Bell's reasons for switching off Ydrasse? He's already explained everything the best he can, so I want to hear a stance from you on it.

im unsure what to make of the response below

Alright, so -- Bell. You were very hard onto Ydrasse D1, until the end where you waffled onto Gamma, saying that your new opinion was Gamma>Ydrasse>tea to be killed

However, on the next day, you proceeded to vote for me, and then GL.

What made you change your mind on Ydrasse to the point where you dropped her off completely until the hammer vote (Where you specifically call attention to how your initial read on Ydrasse was to scumread her)?

i'm sure the answer is probably in your ISO but i dont have the time atm

this is still what im wondering

In general, I don’t go back to old wagons day 2 after day 1. It’s to gather more information about different players to create further associations. If we mess up again.

I'm not sure this really make sense, if Ydrasse was your top scumread, why should the day change matter?

[Morning Tweet]

Hobbes and I definitely aren't doused.

Any 2 in [Isis, Bell, Morning, Farren] I could see? Isis slightly less likely because she was being FoSed by many EoD yesterday.

i would have totally doused Hobbes?

Maybe Bell first, outer chance of Farren. I wouldnt douse morning or Isis

[Morning Tweet]

lol

It's me pressuring Morning to do stuff because I don't like how she's dropped off and not made many conclusions since I completely switched on her.

Really now..

i've sort of dropped off after making a case for town GL who you seriously wanted to keep in the elim pool. Bell I also town cased. Farren i havent rigorously reviewed I guess. Isis i am soul reading

I'm not sure what you're expecting me to do. GL still hasn't showed up. why is dropping off scummy? It wasn't even that long..
...

[Morning Tweet]

tempted to vote Isis for the leafeon comments

@tea General disbelief in Ydrasse v. GL being SvS. I would have thought everyone would see it like me as TvS, and had GL has higher town than he is rn

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Morning

You're being really non-committal. Like, saying you might be swayed by my self-meta, or you're not sure about Bell's responses, and throwing out a lot of info of events, but not very much analysis. Do something with your research!

Oh for some reason I thought this post was talking to Isis despite you voting me in it lol

All I've got to say: AND YOURE SCUMREADING ME FOR THAT? YOU'RE SCUMREADING ME FOR *NOT* DOING ANALYSIS AND BEING WISHY WASHY

IE THE OPPOSITE OF MY SCUMPLAY DESCRIBED IN A CLEAR AND CONCISE PARAGRAPH

VOTE: tea leaves

[Morning Tweet]

ISIS HAS ME YELLING NOW

[Morning Tweet]

THERE IS NO GOD DAMN WAY TEA IS SCUMREADING ME FOR BEING WISHY WASHY AND NOT OFFERING LENGTHY ANALYSIS.

I AM CONSISTENTLY INDECISIVE AS TOWN AND HE KNOWS THAT. NOT TO MENTION LENGTHY ANALYSIS POSTS ARE GENERALLY SCUM INDICTATIVE FOR ME

HE IS AN ARSONIST TRYING TO BAMBOOZLE YOU ALL AS WE SPEAK AND I AM CALLING BS

[Morning Tweet]

alright satan

[Morning Tweet]

i have no idea how we're going to read Guilty's replacement

[Morning Tweet]

i have no idea how

I'M*

going to read Guilty's replacement

correction

I'm not really sure what they're going to say to change my mind how i feel on his behaviour towards Ydrasse, is what i mean

[Morning Tweet]

Still like Isis but don't know if I can quantify it

[Morning Tweet]

Still like Isis but don't know if I can quantify it

So you did walk away from your case convinced?

Oh yeah im still betting on Isis town but i did walk away feeling like i wouldnt be able to prove it

[Morning Tweet]

400 posts of other players seeming town.

How would you describe the last 48 hours?

An exercise in frustration.
Isis vote hopping.
MT, hanging out on the side.
You gone.

I feel like every time i explore elsewhere from tea it feels wrong

That would probably because even if tea is town, 3/4 of the others are still town. But still.

Farren is playing a hell of a scumgame. His analysis feels quite long, it's unique, it sounds genuine. He bussed Ydrasse a moderate amount -- not as much as GL, sort of a similar amount to Bell but I find Bell's self meta compelling.

Bell I'd be mindblown if scum

Isis I guess i can see being scum, I just fail to see what her plan really was. She sort of has no direction whatsoever, not even enough to get some points for killing Ydrasse. Maybe that's what she wanted to look like -- but also, her end of D3 felt really genuine. Seriously, thinking Ydrasse was hammered and going "Why don't you ask her tomorrow?" fantastic scum move

GL is such a meanie to Ydrasse. Seriously gave her a rough time, i just.. would be very surprised if they're a team. Also he gave up pushing her at the end!!! He swapped to Bell and started a new scumread on him. Either GL or Ydrasse was going to die, why would you not stay tunneled on Ydrasse? He didn't even think she'd flip scum in the end. A weird play for sure

Tea's play just matches closer to what I'd expect the ideal strategy to be, I guess? They didn't consider Ydrasse as a suspect until others did (Originally she was quite high in their reads). They never really wanted Ydrasse D1 from what i can tell. On D2, they only ended up swapping to her after she did something scummy -- they wanted GL first. When else did tea ever want to kill Ydrasse other than that moment? That's a pretty believable convo in the the scum PT ("Bus me if it gets to a point where you have to or think you should"). It's a lot nicer than GL just going out of his way to give Ydrasse a hard time since the end of RVS, for the rest of the game basically

And yeah there are a lot of towny posts from tea that make me want to look elsewhere but i cannot look elsewhere from every single player

[Morning Tweet]

Think about what I've been doing today, Isis. I've pushed Morning, Hobbes, and Bell all as scum. I'm making enemies left, right, and centre, and have no regard for keeping bridges intact. Like, I am totally aware that town are likely to OMGUS and feel worse about people pushing them. You think scum!me sets out with this approach today?

I probably play it safe and just continue pushing Hobbes today.

Maybe im conf-biased but this one doesn't sway me too much

But self-meta is so valuable for you two read me in future games. Maybe my philosophy should be to play every mafia game like it's the last though?

Biggest indicator I want to give you is that as scum I feel the need to be relatively consistent and have quite unchanging reads. My progressions are gradual and you can see how stuff is changing, albeit very gradually. You can see this in Your Nightmare, or my Replacement for Sujimichi game off the top of my head.

Here I have multiple sharp turns in reads and progressions all over the place.

This one though, maybe, maybe

Tea i know to be a quite good scum player so I'm kind of covering my eyes from some things i find towny. It's unfortunate

With Bell i

really

don't think he attacks Ydrasse out of the gate as scum. He has me incredibly beaten there if so

I guess Bell waffled at the end of the day and he mysteriously doesn't immediately go back to Ydrasse at the start of the next day. I think Bell's explanation in 2281 lines up decently with his play, though. I think what happened was he was using his vote to sort Ydrasse, and he ended up reaching the wrong conclusion. Gamma's flip wouldn't change that conclusion, which is why he bounced to me and then GL

[Morning Tweet]

Lol i forgot Dunn could vote

uh oh we have a LURKEY!!!

Is my world MT’s pocket dimension.

wHat?!

[Morning Tweet]

Help! Help! I'm being BoPed!

I'm not even that good at scum. Check my last scumgame (Your Nightmare), Morning and see the stark contrast of my play. Seriously, I'm obvtown here if you compare it to my play there.

But then i might be proven wrong >;(

Also, Morning, I think you're focusing on finding scum far too much from just looking at who was pushing and interacting with Ydrasse. Associations is helpful, but look at how individually towny/scummy people are too. If you're seeing a lot of towny things from me, that just means I'm town and not some kind of scum behemoth.

Well yes. if i go by individual towniness i might end up with (imo)

Bell, tea leaves, Farren
---
Isis
GuiltyLion

But how can it be Guilty?!!!!??!

[Morning Tweet]

i would argue he was pretty serious about wanting Ydrasse dead, the amount of suspicion he laid on her locked him in to either eliminating her D1 or D2

mayyyybe the swap to Bell at end of D2 was an attempt to salvage it. I dunno. He gave up on Ydrasse being scum right at the finish line, which is sort of weird if you're trying to bus someone

[Morning Tweet]

you like getting your way more than you like being right, because getting your way as town makes it more likely that town will hit scum by default?

that's my main takeaway so far, is it correct

also fair enough if so, I sure can't do that

[Morning Tweet]

Also yes Dunn is good (´･ω･`)

VOTE: tea

[Morning Tweet]

i mean we don't know whether maybe i just like getting my way because I'm petulant

ok well im giving u the benefit of the doubt and saying it's because it's a pro strat

[Morning Tweet]

Morning Tweet do you remember how much I screamed about not wanting my neighborhood stumped vs. how much time I actually spent sorting Auro/tweet/drew neighborhood in triad X_X

Lol i legitimately kind of thought we lost when you self-voted cause i didnt think u were gonna be the town in that hood

To be fair that strategy has a 6/7 chance of being successful at the start, then 3/4

and it was really clear to Auro/I that it wasn't our hood for a very long time, so we didn't really feel the need to do much else other than screw with the other hoods and see which would try and get rid of us. u didnt have access to what made us sure we were town

[Morning Tweet]

Update: GL > isis > tea

what do i have to do to get tea to drop a tier

[Morning Tweet]

No

[Morning Tweet]

i will do that later

maybe

[Morning Tweet]

Hectic is your WIM higher as town or scum

your wim for this game seems too high
it's just a dannflor micro
idk i've enjoyed it but i haven't felt like it's engendered WIM? this game has only seemed interesting when i've been nightphased/dead other games and i want to project that other people should be as apathetic as I am if they share my alignment. Farren gets lots of pass cause i'm pretty sure he's only aive in this game. Morning Tweet is obvtowning by caring about her education and livelihood more than this game, which is really a bridge too far I try to put even my boringest mafia games ahead of my livelihood

I am actively avoiding reading the first 4 books of the Odyssey as well doing an english paper atm in favour of reading Your Nightmare

[Morning Tweet]

So it seems like you managed to keep the entire game in your PoE (even some paranoia posts towards Dann who was your #1/#2 townread). You also buddied Isis really hard.

it is also probably fair to note that your order of players in your reads didnt change much, especially the upper half

[Morning Tweet]

I'm kind of surprised Morning Tweet is taking english classes her english is really good, probably better than mine

english is my only halfway decent subject, im surprised that shows up in mafia though

[Morning Tweet]

So it seems like you managed to keep the entire game in your PoE (even some paranoia posts towards Dann who was your #1/#2 townread). You also buddied Isis really hard.

it is also probably fair to note that your order of players in your reads didnt change much, especially the upper half

Really? I recall not expressing a scumread on anyone other than George for the entirety of D2. I just made some comments on the others but didn't really call anyone scum for any reasons. Paranoiey jokey posts are different imo.

The main contrast there though is the level of my thoughts and solving compared to here.

PoE, not townreads, eh whatever

I just felt like i saw beeboy, George, Nahdia all in your consideration and you even spent time being paranoid of like Dann generally consistently

[Morning Tweet]

I forget if Farren said there was scum chat pregame or not

i feel like Ydrasse and GL needed pregame interaction for the amount of bullying that went on to be plausible for a scumteam. Maybe im crazy

[Morning Tweet]

Rly tho, it’s probably farren.
If not farren 50/50 me/GL.
Mayyybbbeeee MT.

why are you in the 50/50

actually, dont bother answering that

[Morning Tweet]

Oh i forgot what the oil stuff was referring to

I don't know what i thought arsonists were dousing ppl with >ω>

I feel like GL was the most obvious target if he's town but also they had to deal with our resident firefighter so they probably can't go for the most obvious target

..i'd probably go with 50/50 bell/farren

[Morning Tweet]

UNVOTE: Isis
Not feeling thiis anymore.

Yes! yes! yes!

VOTE: Bell

nO NO NO

[Morning Tweet]

hi Isis

finally finished my classwork

[Morning Tweet]

I already gave my solve.

I think we’re all town constantly slapping at each other and refurbishing our reads when the slap hits bark.

If i’m wrong I think it’s isis, if i’m wrong again I think it’s tea leaves because his push on me was fairly bad.
If it’s wrong again it’s MT who honestly, should probably be at the bottom because she was the least kill happy on ydrasse and if i’m Still wrong then it’s farren and he fooled us all.

I'm confused if im your 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 1st pick

[Morning Tweet]

I already gave my solve.

I think we’re all town constantly slapping at each other and refurbishing our reads when the slap hits bark.

If i’m wrong I think it’s isis, if i’m wrong again I think it’s tea leaves because his push on me was fairly bad.
If it’s wrong again it’s MT who honestly, should probably be at the bottom because she was the least kill happy on ydrasse and if i’m Still wrong then it’s farren and he fooled us all.

I'm confused

whether*

im your 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 1st pick

fixed

[Morning Tweet]

So am I.
You’re the only one that seems to understand me, so you must be scum pocketing me. :igmeou:

this is so sad ;(

[Morning Tweet]

I really don’t agree with tea leaves as mafia. His self meta reads as very genuine.

╥﹏╥ i know

I don't exactly have a lot of options to work with here though

i have to entertain Guilty, I guess. But seriously i feel like if i were scum, i'da doused him. I thought coming into today we'd be treating him like royalty

[Morning Tweet]

tea>Guilty>Bell>Isis>Farren

maybe

[Morning Tweet]

Bell you bussed both of your partners simultaneously in SIN

.-.

[Morning Tweet]

Bell you bussed both of your partners simultaneously in SIN

.-.

Already stated I wasn’t bus averse.

You’re the second person to ignore this. .-.

well no but like, it was extremely early on you started the bus on pork which i suppose is more significant

[Morning Tweet]

I think tea leaves rolled scum this game

oh really NOW

[Morning Tweet]

I too share the sentiment that Pine/Ydrasse were unlikely to talk about bussing pregame

[Morning Tweet]

i think we just win if we kill tea and Guilty

[Morning Tweet]

Feels right

[Morning Tweet]

"I'm okay with being bussed" doesn't invite your partner to attack you out of the blue and immediately at the start of the game (and in Guilty's case, a sustained attack for almost the whole way through)

it more just a way of saying "Let me go if you have to". at least that's how i interpret it. If i wanted to do a hard-bussing strat where we really go at each other, there'd more more talk than just "Bus me if you want"

that might just be me i guess

[Morning Tweet]

A little bit of that and also i thought NM was calling our most townie player obvscum in an attempt to keep him alive longer. Silly me for thinking there was logic behind his actions

[Morning Tweet]

How’s the guiltylion reread going @MT/Farren.
How’s the meta read going on me. @farren/Tea leaves.

My hopes are not high that I can change tea leaves mind.

i sort of already made up my mind on guilty but i guess it wouldnt hurt to do that later

changing tea leaves' mind is unnecessary, as they are an arsonist

[Morning Tweet]

YES!@

[Morning Tweet]

i lov you S_S

♥♥♥♥

[Morning Tweet]

How’s the guiltylion reread going @MT/Farren.
How’s the meta read going on me. @farren/Tea leaves.

My hopes are not high that I can change tea leaves mind.

i sort of already made up my mind on guilty but i guess it wouldnt hurt to do that later

changing tea leaves' mind is unnecessary, as they are an arsonist

Out of interest, how shocked would you be if I flipped Tree? I've never seen you so confident on a scumread before.

i dont know who else it would be (-ω-；)

Not terribly shocked because i am not exactly a good reader of ppl. It is possible the arsonist committed some kind of act that made me turn a blindside towards them, yeah

I looked over Guilty again. Seriously dont think it's him

[Morning Tweet]

well yes

I've probably voted for tea like 5 times so far most of which are just for extra emphasis

I'm still rereading through tho

[Morning Tweet]

Remember when you cleared Not_Mafia because he hammered Phyyra Nikos out of the blue, Morning? Scum will do what's unexpected because it's exactly that; unexpected.

I'm actually feeling a lot better about this read now, and wouldn't even mind too much if I was stumped today. Still want to wait for Hobbes's replacement though.

How can you be so confident on Bell-town?

I don't get what makes you feel so good about Bell-scum

I feel like if it weren't you, it'd be either Isis banking on looking like she has no agenda and seeming totally aimless, or it'd be like, Farren kicking everyone's asses *maybe*

i'd probably guess either of those before Bell. At least Isis though

[Morning Tweet]

Just figured out who Azelf is

none of the options tea presents feels right

Which I get is a rigged game because every option except tea feels wrong to me

but still

[Morning Tweet]

im gonna say no because then ill feel sad for singlehandedly losing the game if wrong

[Morning Tweet]

we get 2 eliminations, 3 if dunn clutches i think

I think scum would misfire an ignite too so like a few ppl would die in between the 2 and the 3

[Morning Tweet]

Seriously though, please don't partner me with Ydrasse, it's insulting. If I was scum this game, I would never have been able to pull that off with Ydrasse scum.
At least partner me with someone that makes sense.
Like tealeaves. :shifty:

The distancing MT,
I went out of my way to give my partner a hard time when they weren't under suspicion when I came into the game.
It's just something I would ever do, especially when I have no idea how competent they are or how well they would react to me.
It's wifomy, I know, but to me it's pretty obvious that I just don't do that stuff to untested partners.

It's a pointless gamble and I wish other players wouldn't waste their brain power on it, if you're scum, sure go for it, do your best.
But if you're town it's a waste of bandwidth to consider this weird angle.
I don't know why guiltylion switched from his position day 1 (it makes no sense for me to bus Ydrasse) to proposing a ydrasse/Bell team day two.

The defensiveness from Bell here looks over the top, especially since he wasn't even sure Ydrasse was scum at that point (if was after he reconsidered her). This looks like scum who knows he'll be in trouble if Ydrasse ever flips, and needs to nip this in the bud.

The post about Hobbes pairing them especially is self-conscious, as Hobbes later mentions himself actually.

overdefensive yes scummy no

[Morning Tweet]

Scum tea>Isis>Farren ... Guilty, Bell Town

[Morning Tweet]

Wanna murder someone other than Bell tea

[Morning Tweet]

Page 96 is hilarious. I don't know enough about MT to say if it's AI but it was entertaining to read.

Oh yeah.. that happened (-ω-；)

Wanna murder someone other than Bell tea

Why'd you ask me this question, Morning?

Debating with myself on whether or not to waffle onto someone other than Guilty-SS or Bell

or Isis

or Farren

.........................hm

[Morning Tweet]

lets make it interesting

VOTE: Isis

[Morning Tweet]

S_S was on X-1 there?

o.o

[Morning Tweet]

(・`ω´・)

[Morning Tweet]

Tea's read on me is nothing like their read on Ydrasse

[Morning Tweet]

I think we probably are safe not doing GL-SS and Farren, leaving tea/Isis/Bell

Beyond that I may as well roll a die with the amount of flip-flopping i do

If I trust the rest of the thread on tea I'd probably vote out Isis first for not having any good Ydrasse interactions

Whoever is scum, well done. even if it may very well just be me putting too much emphasis on Ydrasse interactions and falsely clearing you for it

[Morning Tweet]

Wait so what conclusion are you drawing there alignment wise

[Morning Tweet]

The way day 1 and day 2 went I think a scumteam that doesn't think they can mischop me would necessarily be one that has such poor confidence they need to PM the mod to concede

That's changed during this phase

I mean this-- what conclusion are you drawing from it. It's going over my head what it means

[Morning Tweet]

Dunn + GL -or- Farren are covered in oil

Not chopping GL-SS or Farren anyway

[Morning Tweet]

I will concede that there is a possibility Bell gets covered too

[Morning Tweet]

If we kill a town covered in oil or if the firefighter blocks a douse, we get 3 miselims

Otherwise we get 2

[Morning Tweet]

I am all for ignoring the "try to kill town covered in oil" strat in favour of trusting our illustrious firefighter, though

This game is bullshit how are we circling back to S_S I dont wanna do that

Can we do Isis or Tea? If I can't get either of those IDFK who then

[Morning Tweet]

Our illustrious firefighter still prefers an s_s vote I think? And s_s is probably covered in oil if town? So.

hey nobody's perfect

[Morning Tweet]

I am all for ignoring the "try to kill town covered in oil" strat in favour of trusting our illustrious firefighter, though

This game is bullshit how are we circling back to S_S I dont wanna do that

Can we do Isis or Tea? If I can't get either of those IDFK who then

Do it anyway, i’m dying if you don’t.

(;﹏;)

[Morning Tweet]

Bell, Isis, Ydrasse and myself wanted GL.

GL and Farren wanted Ydrasse.

When Ydrasse placed the X-1 on GL, tea fled and voted for Ydrasse.

Dunn expressed a townread on GL, prompting Isis to sheep him towards Ydrasse.

I was probably the only one interested in defending Ydrasse but after a while I stopped, realizing I had so many townreads that the one most likely to be wrong was probably the untested meta tell

In the end, Farren's vote never left. GL got cold feet and switched to Bell last moment. Isis didn't stick onto Ydrasse I guess. Tea never left after swapping to Ydrasse. I then joined. GL came back on saying he didnt think Ydrasse was scum anymore, and then Bell hammered saying "maybe my initial read was right".

[Morning Tweet]

tea,*

Bell, Isis, Ydrasse and myself wanted GL.

Forgot tea in this line. They wanted GL start of day as a response to GL's push on them, but left later and never came back.

[Morning Tweet]

:cool: Who is in control of this game? I feel like this feels like a conspiracy game sometimes. Tea leaves' conspiracy vote actually resonates and I actually kind of townread it X_X

I liked that one too >_>

[Morning Tweet]

We could have a win condition of "Pick two town players" and still lose

[Morning Tweet]

Well you're not wrong I suppose

[Morning Tweet]

Okay Dunn doesn't count I forgot about him

[Morning Tweet]

I might vote SS for the conspiracy theory and also because he has a decent chance of being doused if town and also Dunn votes there

But I still find the interactions between GL and Ydrasse to be very impressive. They had to have talked about it, he really came after her

[Morning Tweet]

Inb4 a single post by Ydrasse inviting GL to bus her in the scum PT singlehandedly led to this game being 60 pages longer than it shouldve been

Pedit: Yeah Ydrasse didn't really get executed by the deadline that's a bit of a mischaracterization, we weren't really forced by an outside force into killing her.. well actually, GL and Bell were forced into it by the deadline. Just not everyone else I guess

[Morning Tweet]

Oh ya I still don't get what the point of that was

UNVOTE:

That reminds me about the "Why don't you ask her tomorrow" comment >_____>

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You can't put in so much effort that it makes it 100% clear to people that you're town. You just can't. Especially in this game where every single player has plenty of good things going for them

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I would say the burden of getting the read right is on the reader, yes, but that doesn't make someone a poor scumhunter for getting it wrong :I

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What you've given as been generally pretty effective to my kind of townreading style (it's emotion-based and self-meta-based at this point >->) but I still cannot fault someone for getting a read wrong esp in a conspiracy game like this.

I feel like everyone here could be probably justifiably be entitled to a "Are you shitting me you think it's me?!!?" reaction to getting exiled at this point

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S_S can I do some of your homework Morning Tweet won't let me do any of hers she said I wasn't smart enough it was super toxic

HEY WHAT NO

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(insert my "Are you shitting me you think it's me?!!?" post here)

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Unofficial VC

[3] Something Smart : Dunnstral, Bell, (Isis voted for Azelf)
[2] Bell : tea leaves, Something Smart

[2] Not Voting : Morning Tweet, Farren

I'm not sure if Isis voting Azelf counts or not

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The Day 3 deadline is in: (expired on 2020-09-18 06:00:44)

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What do you wanna do Farren

I prefer S_S because Bell intense AtE and selfmeta but maybe thats just me

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Didn't you say it was a serious vote?

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idk if S_S has read enough of the game to really internalize how against the grain trying to do a Farren scumread is

I spent a lot of time trying to word this

Yeah

Basically this. Also WIFOM

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i cant vote Bell with a clear conscience

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If this were any other game I'd say like 95% :(

i just never see scum get insulted and emotional and defensive like that. I also think he truly wouldn't have gone out of his way to attack Ydrasse. i just find it really hard to believe he speaks the way he does and has this sort of vicseral reaction as town

That's my emotional tells doing the talking though i guess. I

suppooossee

scum!Bell can get frustrated at tea scumreading him for reasons he believes to be false. I dont know thought it doesnt feel like that's it to me

And if it's S_S then that explains why every player (besides GL) feels actively towny to at least some extent

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scum

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i'm sorry you havent been around long enough!!! i've been thru 122 pages of madness with everybody else. Of course it mostly started kicking in after the Ydrasse flip

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Even if Farren votes Bell idk if I'd join him

Maybe I would cause i dont like taking responsibility and Farren probably has better reasoning than me

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VOTE: S_S

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Good night Farren!

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i felt compelled

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So everyone in the game felt incredibly towny first because I was doing a very dumb attempt at a meta tell on Ydrasse, and second because GL did extremely heavy bussing which caused me to ignore him as well

i am so bad >.>

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Azelf's honor. <3

I wouldn't troll like that. I hate playing with people's emotions.

That's exactly the phrase someone who enjoys playing with peoples' emotions would use

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I'm sorry I tunneled you tea please forgive meeeeee >﹏<

pedit: Yea i literally did the same thing i crossed out GL very hard

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I like the arsonist mechanic it just needs a more elegant setup than this

like witnessing 5 people die at once is very satisfying

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ah ah ah i forgot that gif. im adding that to my flavour collection for my upcoming mini ty

I like to think my death catalyzed our win?
Probably not though.

i like to think your stump gave me strength.

not very good strength because I was wrong 99% of the time. but still. you were a nice solid place to sit on and rest while I was taking breaks from being horribly wrong

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gg everyone!

the bussing wasn’t planned or anything it’s just what ended up happening.

seriouslyt?!?!?!

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i really had fun though and liked this table and game even if i was intimidated!

i second this, table was very fun

Even during the parts where it was torture

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you’re never going to trust me again </3

i'm never going to META READ you again

Or maybe just not that meta read specifically. i do like repeating my past mistakes in similar ways

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thanks much for repping in S_S and thank you for modding Dannflor !!