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Post Post #4584  (isolation #600)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:09 pm

In post 4523, PlusJOYED wrote:At the very least, can we agree that me vs Ydrasse is TvS?

yeah and you’re scum

ydrasse is town and you’re NOT EVEN EXPLAINING WHAT THE THEATRE THING WAS
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Post Post #4585  (isolation #601)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:10 pm

In post 4536, Ydrasse wrote:for a second i was reading your posts from yesterday andres and i thought you were just straight up lying until i got to the end where you pivoted back to osuka.

...i trust you....

explain this trajectory in more detail
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Post Post #4586  (isolation #602)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:12 pm

In post 4556, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 4555, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 4552, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 4548, Andresvmb wrote:Yeah I mean that post by Osuka confirms it right. shellyc v. Osuka I think is not SvS. At least I doubt it Osuka was pushing shellyc before trying to compromise with the slot to potentially vote for Bob. One of them is surely Scum.

agreed
i'd prefer to flip shelly over osuka though


*eyebrow raise*

what? I told you I think the solve is Ydrasse/Shelly/Kerset
i don't want to elim what I think is town here if I can help it

your solve is wrong on me and probably wrong on ydrasse and you’re just spitballing not gamesolving
can you actually CASE or EXPLAIN
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Post Post #4587  (isolation #603)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:15 pm

In post 4556, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 4555, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 4552, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 4548, Andresvmb wrote:Yeah I mean that post by Osuka confirms it right. shellyc v. Osuka I think is not SvS. At least I doubt it Osuka was pushing shellyc before trying to compromise with the slot to potentially vote for Bob. One of them is surely Scum.

agreed
i'd prefer to flip shelly over osuka though


*eyebrow raise*

what? I told you I think the solve is Ydrasse/Shelly/Kerset
i don't want to elim what I think is town here if I can help it

In post 4564, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 4559, Menalque wrote:
In post 4499, PlusJOYED wrote:along with recent meta behavior I can now talk about (silent star 2)


what happened in silent star 2?

it was very recent, Ydrasse was scum that game, and imo her play and tone is very similar to that game and this game.
i will admit I wasn't super invested that game compared to my usual but it was something I noticed. Maybe I'll wall it but I don't think it'd be worth the effort considering people seem very dead set on osuka today and im at the gym atm

In post 4568, Menalque wrote:also I just finished looking at ss2, what is it that you think is the same between Ydrasse there and ydrasse here? I skimmed rather than looking in depth but I think there is a marked difference in how she comes across between the two games

ydrasse give me a elimination prefer order

I think if reading ydrasse according to meta, its indicative of town!ydrasse, ydrasse prefers playing town and I can see the vibe of energy this game especially early-game
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Post Post #4590  (isolation #604)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:23 pm

I exist as well
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Post Post #4593  (isolation #605)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:24 pm

menal why do you want to interact with Andres specifically
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Post Post #4598  (isolation #606)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:33 pm

In post 4597, Ydrasse wrote:do you want me to consider eliminating you, shelly?

no but I don’t want people to forget about me, it fractures my ego
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Post Post #4611  (isolation #607)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:42 pm

osukas case on me is I apparently misrepresent things

pedit: yeah that slot is scum. if you cant control yourself I can unvote
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Post Post #4613  (isolation #608)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:43 pm

UNVOTE: osuka

fine
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Post Post #4616  (isolation #609)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:44 pm

im a VI

you know every time I get townread on MS in my completed games, im actually scum

pedit: I don’t want the instahammer
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Post Post #4620  (isolation #610)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:46 pm

In post 4619, osuka wrote:thats a fucking slip and a half folks, if that sort of contradiction on top of the self-meta bullshit doesn't do it, i dont know what will

what is the contradiction though
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Post Post #4622  (isolation #611)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:47 pm

In post 4562, Menalque wrote:slips are 90% of the time from town and are NAI

^

pedit: no I don’t have long term memory. also im one of the most terrible people at obvtowning ever
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Post Post #4625  (isolation #612)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:48 pm

UTR = in this game I was universally townread
which means im actually improving at obvtowning
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Post Post #4626  (isolation #613)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:49 pm

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Post Post #4629  (isolation #614)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:50 pm

yeah. I at least put effort into it despite me being kinda bad at it and I actually kinda managed to make myself town until you just got everything horrifically wrong
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Post Post #4633  (isolation #615)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:52 pm

sigh you’re misrepping this

in this game I was universally townread
in my previous games I was townread as scum
in this game I improved and got townread as town

is that not logical
pedit: another case of misrep
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Post Post #4634  (isolation #616)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:53 pm

can you quote things or explain WHERE THE FUCK THE LAMIST IS
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Post Post #4640  (isolation #617)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:56 pm

In post 4635, Ydrasse wrote:shelly, the point that osuka is making is that you said when you get townread, you're scum.

and that in this game, EVERYONE townreads you.

yes but I actually fucking improve my town play and instead you scumread me for it
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Post Post #4645  (isolation #618)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:59 pm

In post 4642, osuka wrote:
In post 4640, shellyc wrote:
In post 4635, Ydrasse wrote:shelly, the point that osuka is making is that you said when you get townread, you're scum.

and that in this game, EVERYONE townreads you.

yes but I actually fucking improve my town play and instead you scumread me for it

this is false

obvtown gets shot. you don't really wanna obvtown as scum - why the fuck do you think i'm still alive in this game? i've been ~almost~ eliminated like three days in a row now

that’s why I don’t obvtown as scum, I get townread, i have a basic concept of what to do as scum
UTR != getting townread note the word universally

pedit: well for what it’s worth if I incriminated myself with my self meta description how is that a scumslip
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Post Post #4647  (isolation #619)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:00 pm

also, im not UTR. there’s a certain person named osuka that scum reads me
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Post Post #4650  (isolation #620)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:01 pm

In post 4643, Ydrasse wrote:the point osuka is trying to make is simply that you said something that, by your own words, is more condemning than helpful; it incriminates you by virtue of your self-meta. it isn't a misrep, whether or not i townread you.

i kind of don't get how you misunderstood this one?

quoted wrong thing was going to answer osukas question about “misrep"
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Post Post #4651  (isolation #621)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:01 pm

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Post Post #4652  (isolation #622)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:02 pm

In post 4648, Ydrasse wrote:i don't really think it's a scumslip but neither is it a good look if you're looking at that singular post alone.

well then you agree that osuka is misrepping me because the world osuka is pushing is that its a scumslip
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Post Post #4655  (isolation #623)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:06 pm

my point is to provide meta information on myself
pushing that I might be bad at obvtowning as town and I might be a VI

also that its not a scumslip. yeah I did provide incriminating meta information on myself but doesn’t mean im just auto scum this game because I’ve been UTR in all my scumgames. this is fallacious logic and just because I’ve been UTR in my scum games and UTR in this game doesn’t mean that im scum, because there is the possibility that town!me becomes UTR
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Post Post #4660  (isolation #624)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:08 pm

In post 4654, osuka wrote:what changed?

joyed also scum reads me

pedit: as town another obligation to have is to avoid getting miseliminated as that benefits scums wincon
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Post Post #4666  (isolation #625)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:11 pm

why are you not doing ndmath pairings

math’s literally paired with {osuka shelly plus} which is highest partnership scum equity
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Post Post #4669  (isolation #626)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:12 pm

In post 4663, osuka wrote:joyed has been following my reads for quite a while not, he just scumreads you by proxy

@joyed

why are you following osukas reads constantly. don’t you TR other people, why don’t you follow their reads.
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Post Post #4670  (isolation #627)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:13 pm

In post 4668, osuka wrote:didn't she literally just do that?????

yeeeeeah but I didn’t see it since I thought you were only analysing {shelly osuka plus}
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Post Post #4682  (isolation #628)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:22 pm

In post 4639, osuka wrote:oh look! ydrasse is very good at reading, maybe you should ask her for some tips shelly

ydrasse give me some tips
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Post Post #4685  (isolation #629)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:23 pm

so if you think scum!Plus is pocketing, how does that fit into the Grand Scheme of Things (shelly/andres solve)
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Post Post #4686  (isolation #630)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:23 pm

ydrasse give me tips on reading the thread so osuka can stop being mad at me please
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Post Post #4690  (isolation #631)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:28 pm

In post 4688, Andresvmb wrote:What are you afraid of exactly? Why the backtrack?

ydrasse was gonna hammer it any minute and im afraid her overexcitement would prematurely end the day
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Post Post #4700  (isolation #632)  » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:15 pm

In post 4691, Andresvmb wrote:If you actually think Osuka is Scum, why are you concerned that they day might end early with their execution? I’m never worried about my SR’s dying an early death.

cause I don’t wanna waste the day

we have another scum to find assuming osuka is red
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Post Post #4713  (isolation #633)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:33 am

In post 4709, osuka wrote:okay let's do this

VOTE: math

osuka all this feels very weird
this is the second day you get off me for someone else. first bob, then math. can you walk me through this? it kinda feels like an attempt to place some pressure on me but keep me alive until lim-lo? or something
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Post Post #4789  (isolation #634)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:20 pm

[quote="In post 4735, Ydrasse”]i... am impatient.

sorry osuka.

VOTE: osuka[/quote]
YESSSSSSSS

THANK YOU YDRASSE
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Post Post #4790  (isolation #635)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:21 pm

In post 4745, osuka wrote:shelly _has_ to be scum

no shelly has to be town

and you’re trolling us
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Post Post #4791  (isolation #636)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:23 pm

In post 4782, PlusJOYED wrote:this game has the best twilight

agreed 100%

scumsuka im going to get you in the next mini again, dw
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Post Post #4795  (isolation #637)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:57 pm

wait what the fuck

are you gated?
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Post Post #4796  (isolation #638)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:58 pm

a full commuter in a 13p is very overpowered

hmmmmmmmmm
if osuka is town
the solve = plus/ydrasse? that would be crazy
can anyone give me a verification as to whether commuter is a good scum fake claim
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Post Post #4800  (isolation #639)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:06 pm

wow this game took a very exciting turn

im mulling over this aorn. commuter is a decent fake claim (explains why the scum isn’t dying + role stopper thingy)

I’ve seen a commuter fake claim once on my homesite
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Post Post #4801  (isolation #640)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:08 pm

but fwiw informed loyal cop + miller + role stopper + commuter kinda Fits Together

non gated commuter is super rare though
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Post Post #4803  (isolation #641)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:10 pm

claim is weird but commuter claiming ascetic early game makes sense

maths fake claim was to draw a nightkill right? so everything about the setup is coming together now I sorta want to believe it for now
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Post Post #4805  (isolation #642)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:12 pm

In post 4802, Ydrasse wrote:it's more a matter of why ndmath claimed ascetic, and then claimed commuter now, and the logic behind that.

its an easy explanation

to draw the nightkill.

pedit: cause at first place my gut reaction was believing the claim and I sorta now think we were wrong on osuka with the twilight reaction and I wanted to list my solve if the claim is true
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Post Post #4824  (isolation #643)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:56 pm

In post 4807, Ydrasse wrote:(because my reaction here is that this seems pretty disingenuous and that you're trying to set up towards a new set of goals to get elims through tomorrow should osuka be town.)

should osuka be town we should all re-evaluate

and even if osuka is green im not getting limmed tomorrow. joyed is
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Post Post #4825  (isolation #644)  » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:57 pm

In post 4819, osuka wrote:Yes

stop trolling dude
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Post Post #4828  (isolation #645)  » Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:51 am

fuck yeah its limlo time

I will tentatively self towncase myself, but am planning on voting joyed. like there’s no way all of bob plus osuka are town due to the mid of d3 wagons.

my lim order from most to least goes
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Post Post #4831  (isolation #646)  » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:01 am

look plus playing dumb

how is insta voting in lylo as town ever the correct thing. this is obvscum here

btw plus claimed VT already
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Post Post #4832  (isolation #647)  » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:03 am

im VT as well, there are probably no more TPRs existing here, massclaiming isn’t helping
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Post Post #4833  (isolation #648)  » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:05 am

PlusJoy do you think in any world I do this
In post 151, shellyc wrote:Ydrasse is town aligned because I have a good vibe from them


do I townread my partner nonstop since my 9th post, that’s blatantly non partner-y
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Post Post #4834  (isolation #649)  » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:26 am

ive been mulling over this, joyed is outed from my perspective, there’s no way that vote ever comes from town, there’s no way all of bob plus osuka are town, there’s no way their confusing reads are are usually unexplained come from town

VOTE: PlusJoy

This is scum. Vote it out.
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Post Post #4839  (isolation #650)  » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:47 pm

also the fact that neither me nor shelly has been quickhammered to me indicates from an outside pov that 1 of us is scum for sure. joyed/ndmath might be probable but im VERY certain joyed is in the scumteam

hopefully life gets better for you ydrasse, but only thing you need to have in mind is that I am town and joyed is scum end of story.
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Post Post #4840  (isolation #651)  » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:48 pm

menal please come back and claim

ydrasse claim

its massclaim time
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Post Post #4842  (isolation #652)  » Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:00 am

hmmmmmm

menal come back please we wanna hear you claim

I strongly TR ydrasse and if the team is ydrasse/plus well played
so its either menal and plus or math and plus, and I think if menal claims a PR the solve is simply just plus and math

so just get rid of confscum!plus today, 3p lylo is a 50/50 and should be easier than this
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Post Post #4844  (isolation #653)  » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:46 am

In post 4843, NDMath wrote:Scum!Mena: *claims pr*
I don't understand your logic here.

ugh it’s the balance thing
scum!math TPR!Menal world may exist and you just pointed that out

also why is plus/me scum/scum though? like why? in the world?? do I hard bus my partner in lylo
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Post Post #4847  (isolation #654)  » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:50 am

where that claim at menal

listen. osuka always falls into tunnels and stupid TvT shitfights and Andres didnt consider that, and they actually townread me for a fair bit
its obvious who scum is
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Post Post #4851  (isolation #655)  » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:54 am

In post 2955, bob3141 wrote:Osuka just feels like what ive seen from in his other town games. He strikes me as someone who easily gets into these tvt fights

if you need THE EVIDENCE
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Post Post #4854  (isolation #656)  » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:06 am

In post 4853, Menalque wrote:You found this like... very fast

I found it at night and remembered the post number since I was planning a self towncase

menal will you accept this vote
VOTE: PlusJOYED
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Post Post #4856  (isolation #657)  » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:08 am

;) yeeeah

so can I chime in or be curious: what are you gonna discuss

I will be very Disappointed if y’all don’t come back to scum!joyed
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Post Post #4859  (isolation #658)  » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:37 am

Have your nice discussion, I’ll be chiming in if you need me to

Feels weird to be in a town Lylo for the first time (been in three scum ones)
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Post Post #4863  (isolation #659)  » Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:32 am

I am seriously disappointed with how you choose to approach this

Joyed how in the world do you see ydrasse me
that does not exist
I am a fan of bussing and do you think I just townbin my partner throughout
that is incredibly disingenuous

I read that AFTER osuka was limmed, I reviewed the whole game
your vote on me is the same thing as my vote on you, are you incriminating yourself
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Post Post #4876  (isolation #660)  » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:47 pm

In post 4874, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 2431, PlusJOYED wrote:on kerset, i didn't want to go into detail but I think I have to:
they do seem nervous from their iso. But newbish scumtells are also newbie pr tells. They are most definitely either doctor or mafia. From mafia!kersets perspective, they haven't been putting much effort into solving I think and have been one of the quieter ones. That could be a doctor who is worried about being outed (I think is likely) or a scum player who doesn't wanna seem sus. If they are scum, then by crumbing a fake claim early they'd know they are under suspicion. But Saudade death tunneled kerset from the get go and gave them many chances to prove towniness by posting game stuff early on; kerset did not. Why would scum!Kerset crumb there, when they could likely have escaped suspicion early pretty easily by just acting townie instead? That's honestly not hard to do as scum or town, especially given Saudades low bar. That doesn't make sense to me at all why they would crumb and take a big risk as scum; hell their 2 scum buddies could have helped them by evening writing out towny things for Kerset to say if Kerset didn't know how to do it. That's the biggest flaw in the scum!kerset idea imo.

Instead Kerset just got more nervous and defensive. This attitude makes the most sense from doc!Kerset perspective, where they don't want to appear too towny so they become a maf target and die n1. The early hammer reaction looked realish but could be faked. Rather, they wanted to lay low, maybe even appear a little scummy so maf would leave them alone possibly (idk for sure), but Saudade wouldn't back off, and a wagon formed. Kerset showed more signs of being nervous which makes sense from town!Kerset perspective imo. If I was scum and knew Kerset wasn't, I'd let Kerset live n1 and then jump on them like crazy day 2 to get them mislimed, which we might see. I came to this conclusion pretty early after Kerset claimed doc, and wanted to see who would jump on to get a solid scumtell start of day 2.

tl;dr scum kerset mindset doesn't make sense and so they are very likely town imo.

I'm leaning Saudade kerset being tvt.


consider my eyebrow raised at this post in retrospect.

My progression on Kerset is solving, and this is lazily tvt binning
Can you see how scummy joyed is
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Post Post #4877  (isolation #661)  » Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:16 am

are y’all having that very insightful discussion in a secret hood and why is this game stalling out so much

I bet dead thread is more active than this thread now
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Post Post #4886  (isolation #662)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:31 am

can you talk me through why plus/me is s/s to you

anyways good job ydrasse for seeing the light, red joyed flip today, partner is in {math menal}
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Post Post #4888  (isolation #663)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:36 am

iirc my trajectory on scum was townish -> null -> null scum -> TSTBS -> scum

I get that it’s a little weird but meh

betting math for now, menal is probtown, you’re probtown
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Post Post #4889  (isolation #664)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:36 am

*my trajectory on plus

but plus is scum anyways
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Post Post #4890  (isolation #665)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:46 am

Spoiler: big ugly quote wall on plus-kerset
In post 230, PlusJOYED wrote:Who loves readlists? I do!

kerset: Shitposter, which is NAI. My gut says they are town though but not a lot to go on; I feel like scum would be more self aware and worried about being SR'd from shitposting, and the mason thing might be a unique way of rvs 3 other players to see reactions. TR.

early TR on kerset for an RVS thing
In post 230, PlusJOYED wrote:His kerset attack seems really random and feels mildly scummy overall. SR.

potential chainsaw
In post 709, PlusJOYED wrote:bob (townie god) > shelly > ydrasse > andres > mena > suadade > kerset > teacher > osuka > IV (leaning more townie) >  NDMath > taylor (scum extraordinaire)

stuck in the middle
In post 1063, PlusJOYED wrote:i don't wanna vote kerset his avi is cute

not wanting to vote kerset for some random reason
In post 1317, PlusJOYED wrote:if kerset is red i think osuka is town
i don't see scum osuka not pursuing another wagon while his scum bud dies day 1
same for teacher but to a lesser extent

pocketing in case scum!kerset flips
In post 1293, PlusJOYED wrote:sorry was inactive yesterday
im no handyman so installing washer and dryer was harder than i thought
i'd prefer a taylor elim over a kerset elim today

pivoting to town instead of scum
In post 1534, PlusJOYED wrote:also called it on kerset being town ya nerds

pretty much joyed being confident that claimed PR scum mate is not getting flipped
In post 1997, PlusJOYED wrote:don't throw kerset
this is tvt

TvT binning interaction with no reasons

btw full scum case on plus might come soon
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Post Post #4891  (isolation #666)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:18 am

In post 4875, Ydrasse wrote:why didn't we elim plus yesterdayyyyyy my mind would be so much clearerrrrrrr.

waitttttt

didnt you want osuka’s head yesterday and was almost going to quickly hammer them
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Post Post #4894  (isolation #667)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:22 am

meh I took it seriously and I unvoted because I didnt want you to quickhammer that vote

anyways missing jokes is not AI at all
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Post Post #4895  (isolation #668)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:26 am

In post 781, Ydrasse wrote:kerset hasn't contributed too much but i very much like kerset's attitude/vibe this game too despite pushback from some ppl.

hmmmmm

why did you think kersets vibe was good this game and why does that overrule the lack of contribution
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Post Post #4896  (isolation #669)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:34 am

In post 605, PlusJOYED wrote:Think my elimpool is stillIV/taylortoday.

this is obviously trying to shift off scumbuddy kerset in favour of town eliminations

currently rereading d1
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Post Post #4897  (isolation #670)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:39 am

In post 679, PlusJOYED wrote:the miller claim and the aesthic claim change things. I think one of them is fake/evil most likely

*eyebrows raising*

why did you say that joyed?
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Post Post #4898  (isolation #671)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:41 am

In post 709, PlusJOYED wrote:bob (townie god) > shelly > ydrasse > andres > mena > suadade > kerset > teacher > osuka > IV (leaning more townie) >  NDMath > taylor (scum extraordinaire)

hi plus did you townbin / try to pocket me for all of d1
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Post Post #4899  (isolation #672)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:48 am

d1’s most important VC - when Taylor and kerset wagons split
In post 975, Datisi wrote:Kerset [4]: Saudade, osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse
Tayl0r Swift [4]: shellyc, NDMath, teacher, PlusJOYED
innocentvillager [2]: Kerset, Tayl0r Swift
teacher [1]: innocentvillager
NDMath [1]: bob3141
plusJOYED [1]: Menalque

from this I think all town voted ydrasse and ydrasse is town
menal on confscum!plus establishes menal as town as well
math/plus voting together could indicate partners tbh
I think it’s just math/plus here
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Post Post #4900  (isolation #673)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:50 am

{Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager, teacher, NDMath, Ydrasse} iv votes d1
I think plus/math voting together again is very indicative of scum partners
especially with {swift osuka iv teacher} all confirmed town, no way this wagon is all town
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Post Post #4902  (isolation #674)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:50 am

joyed is this TMI that you’re actually partners with menal with the oversight of menalque here

also, it’s pretty clear that I basically cannot be partners with anyone here
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Post Post #4904  (isolation #675)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:55 am

@menal are you ready to make your claim yet? since you haven’t claimed

plus / math is the only thing I see now and im gonna tunnel this solve
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Post Post #4927  (isolation #676)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:43 pm

In post 4905, Menalque wrote:I was originally backup JK and since D3 I've been promoted. I didn't crumb but I can point to a couple of points in the game where I think my role was very clearly influencing my play.

wooooooah!
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Post Post #4928  (isolation #677)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:47 pm

In post 4912, PlusJOYED wrote:5 prs is way too much for a mini sooo
UNVOTE: shellyc
VOTE: ndmath

what tf? why did you just vote outside your 1v1
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Post Post #4929  (isolation #678)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:55 pm

In post 4920, Ydrasse wrote:i’ve been going about my business and the andres nk is giving me cold feet a bit. i’m unsure if shelly would do something that like... obvious or not.

on the other hand i wonder if plus is just trying to pick a different 1v1 with math? like if shelly is town and plus knows they can’t win that way they’d rather go the route of math -> shelly.

no matter what my alignment is im decent at 1v1s and plus knows that, this is exactly how im interpreting the situation now
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Post Post #4930  (isolation #679)  » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:56 pm

In post 4923, PlusJOYED wrote:but there cannot be 5 town prs, and since you claimed backup jk, we had 3 pr flips, and you are locktown to me

why can there not be 5 TPRs
loyal cop is weak especially with rolestopper
backup jailer might not see use
jailer is strong
miller checker is near-useless
full commuter is a stretch though

hmmmm what if plus/math are both scum
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Post Post #4931  (isolation #680)  » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:18 am

In post 2431, PlusJOYED wrote:on kerset, i didn't want to go into detail but I think I have to:
they do seem nervous from their iso. But newbish scumtells are also newbie pr tells. They are most definitely either doctor or mafia. From mafia!kersets perspective, they haven't been putting much effort into solving I think and have been one of the quieter ones. That could be a doctor who is worried about being outed (I think is likely) or a scum player who doesn't wanna seem sus. If they are scum, then by crumbing a fake claim early they'd know they are under suspicion. But Saudade death tunneled kerset from the get go and gave them many chances to prove towniness by posting game stuff early on; kerset did not. Why would scum!Kerset crumb there, when they could likely have escaped suspicion early pretty easily by just acting townie instead? That's honestly not hard to do as scum or town, especially given Saudades low bar. That doesn't make sense to me at all why they would crumb and take a big risk as scum; hell their 2 scum buddies could have helped them by evening writing out towny things for Kerset to say if Kerset didn't know how to do it. That's the biggest flaw in the scum!kerset idea imo.

Instead Kerset just got more nervous and defensive. This attitude makes the most sense from doc!Kerset perspective, where they don't want to appear too towny so they become a maf target and die n1. The early hammer reaction looked realish but could be faked. Rather, they wanted to lay low, maybe even appear a little scummy so maf would leave them alone possibly (idk for sure), but Saudade wouldn't back off, and a wagon formed. Kerset showed more signs of being nervous which makes sense from town!Kerset perspective imo. If I was scum and knew Kerset wasn't, I'd let Kerset live n1 and then jump on them like crazy day 2 to get them mislimed, which we might see. I came to this conclusion pretty early after Kerset claimed doc, and wanted to see who would jump on to get a solid scumtell start of day 2.

tl;dr scum kerset mindset doesn't make sense and so they are very likely town imo.

I'm leaning Saudade kerset being tvt.

the reread continues
plus, kerset is not a newbie lol
also why is nervousness a towntell or a tpr tell. and crumbing is not a big risk
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Post Post #4934  (isolation #681)  » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:02 am

In post 4932, PlusJOYED wrote:god i already know its you but you pulled this same shit in as scum twice against me
its frustrating when you know the answer but cant convince town. i wish osuka was still alive
imma go out on a limb and say bob and iv played omega sus and I would have voted them again if i went back in time, but im not exactly good at this game either

hello
don’t try and AtE ok, the answer is you’re scum

jailer is strong pr
loyal cop is mid-tier pr (gives clears but not hard reds)
commuter is strong pr
backup jailer is weak pr
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Post Post #4947  (isolation #682)  » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:37 pm

In post 4946, NDMath wrote:Shelley just called a commuter stronger than a loyal cop.

loyal cop with rolestopper means rolestopper stopping town = basically framer for scum
commuter is also a miller to loyal cop
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Post Post #4948  (isolation #683)  » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:38 pm

In post 4944, Ydrasse wrote:sell me on not voting you before i do

ydrasse I will be very very disappointed if you dont end up voting plus because plus is scum
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Post Post #4952  (isolation #684)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:36 am

why are you still posturing around scum

im apathetic but I have time tonight to self towncase
a reminder that kerset shaded me a LOT of times and had definitely not s/s interactions with me
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Post Post #4956  (isolation #685)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:44 am

it was meant to be "why are you still posturing around, scum" and directed towards you
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Post Post #4957  (isolation #686)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:45 am

can we elim plus exactly tomorrow so it falls in line with my third month on MS

self towncasing turned out to be hard so im proooobably gunna scumcase plus first
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Post Post #4958  (isolation #687)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:46 am

in case the phrasing was a bit confusing
I have not much idea how to self towncase so im going to work on scum!plus case first
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Post Post #4961  (isolation #688)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:05 am

The following are the reasons why PlusJOYED is obvscum
1) Trajectory inconsistency
Throughout the game, plus constantly changes his mind at the drop of the hat, having shifting reads on much of the plist, which indicates scum because scum have to track all stances and sometimes a pocketable player may be more suited for a miselim, and the read-changes really evoke that.
In post 230, PlusJOYED wrote:IV: total scumbucket. I'll do a full casing later. I'm aware this tunnel without explanation is sus from me but idc. I want him to lower his guard first and hit him with a big list later on. SR

look at early plus SR on iv: they're self aware of how the tunnel might be perceived, they are also stalling out the casing of IV
In post 346, PlusJOYED wrote:Basically, I TR IV until around page 3 when he made mistake/scumtells so WIFOM kicked in and now he's ultra scum mafia god

stating that they had a {nonexistent according to my checks} TR on iv while suddenly reversing it for ???? reason there is no obv scumtell in IV's ISO in page 3-6
In post 424, PlusJOYED wrote:I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

when I start (incorrectly) pushing town!taylor plus suddenly shifts over to there and abandons their IV scumread at the drop of a hat.
then later when IV "scumslipped" plus suddenly forgot about their taylor SR and joined the IV wagon, which is indicative of scum changing stances agreeing the consensus
plus basically does this read shifting at the drop of a hat to everyone.

2) Kerset Interactions
so plusjoyed has some crazy weird interations with scum!kerset as well.
early on in plus tries and discredit the kerset tunnel from saude, and the retaliatory SR from plus on saude is a chainsaw
In post 709, PlusJOYED wrote:Me:
bob (townie god) > shelly > ydrasse > andres > mena > suadade > kerset > teacher > osuka > IV (leaning more townie) >  NDMath > taylor (scum extraordinaire)

see how kerset is stuck in the middle, tbh most scum usually nullread their partners from my experiences
In post 1063, PlusJOYED wrote:i don't wanna vote kerset his avi is cute

random reason to not join the kerset wagon.
In post 1371, PlusJOYED wrote:I'd prefer if we get either suadade, teacher, taylor, ndmath or osuka. since those are the people i sr/am null on. so take your vote off kerset please

(post doc-claim from kerset) tries and get on other people instead of voting kerset with the claim to help try and get a town flip d1
In post 1997, PlusJOYED wrote:don't throw kerset
this is tvt

randomly calls saude-kerset t/t which sticks out. preflip associations are lame and theres no explanation for this at all
In post 3455, PlusJOYED wrote:Kerset claimed gated so i could see them being town still. That or mafia has a roleblocker. Still my TR on them has weakened with flips.

when saude is nightkilled plus starts setting kerset up for a bus if needed with this downwards trajectory. but still remains broad TR to see what happens
In post 3504, PlusJOYED wrote:But kerset isn't getting my vote today

tries and talk town out of limming kerset but then this happens...
In post 3527, PlusJOYED wrote:???
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
UNVOTE:
VOTE: kerset

randomly thinks this post comes from a scum mindset and suddenly forgets the kerset TR at the drop of a hat since the tide is now against kerset, this is a clear hard bus with no logical reasoning behind the vote

case to be continued
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Post Post #4963  (isolation #689)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:08 am

pls dont AtE plus.

if it's math/me I didnt bus at all (bussing and distancing are not the same thing)
if it's ydrasse/me i probably did the opposite of bussing if anything
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Post Post #4966  (isolation #690)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:12 am

In post 4964, PlusJOYED wrote:Oh also, to spite shellyc (pretty sure she is aussie time), I'm gonna self vote in 23 hours so she doesn't get the win on the day of her joindate + 3 months

yeah i realise i dont since we still have one more scum to find
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Post Post #4967  (isolation #691)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:13 am

In post 4965, PlusJOYED wrote:you bussed kerset

well you were on kerset wagon as well with a very forced vote and weird trajectory so that could be bussing as well
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Post Post #4969  (isolation #692)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:20 am

How is that scummy

Not healing a lolclaim that death tunnelled you is kinda not warranting a 180
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Post Post #4973  (isolation #693)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:13 pm

In post 4970, PlusJOYED wrote:also shelly if im scum and your town why would I kill andres who last said they were gonna nuke you

sometimes a dead townie's words are more impacting than alive townies

why would I make such an obvious kill if you look at it fmpov. ive rolled scum enough to know that's incriminating for me
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Post Post #4974  (isolation #694)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:36 pm

3) Deflection
Each time there's pressure pon plusjoy they just throw out random theories in order to avoid being eventually elim'd
In post 3774, PlusJOYED wrote:yeah
osuka is scum not for his iv read, but because he continued to SR mena after IV flipped. Also the vote back off of kerset was sus as well
Ydrasse I liked day 1 but the hammer was sus af and I feel like they are the deepwolf here. They claimed to be bad at mafia scum roles but i've fallen for that before. And since near end of day 1 I haven't liked their posts

here they list osuka as scum while later on they start listing osuka as town when plus realises I can be miselim'd so they bounce on osuka's TvT with me
here is the first post starting to shade ydrasse IMMEDIATELY after ydrasse asks plus to explain their trajectories which is omgussy and is setting up ydrasse as my partner to achieve a miselim on me

when pressured in the osuka/bob/plus split gamestate they suddenly forget about their bob TR here
In post 4083, PlusJOYED wrote:i SR osuka more and I think I TR bob honestly

and suddenly buddy up osuka to pressure bob elim and setup a shelly elim after that. this is setting up chain elims. im sure plus doesnt have chronic amnesia so this weird flexing of stances is obvscum
In post 4433, PlusJOYED wrote:my osuka read is that that's just his playstyle and he's kinda wack at times

see this random playstyle reason to pocket osuka and head towards shelly/bob elims

4) General Gamestate
I would like to remind you all that according to this:
In post 4325, Datisi wrote:PlusJOYED [3]: Ydrasse, shellyc, Tayl0r Swift
bob3141 [2]: Andresvmb, PlusJOYED
osuka [2]: bob3141, NDMath
shellyc [1]: osuka

Not Voting [1]: Menalque

because im town, the three-way split obviously cannot be all-town. bob and osuka both have flipped green so it's just plus here. the smaller town CWs to scum!plus wagon make sense from a VCA perspective.

5) VCA
In post 3386, Datisi wrote:innocentvillager [7]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager, teacher, NDMath, Ydrasse [HAMMER]
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
PlusJOYED [2]: Andresvmb, Menalque
Kerset [2]: Saudade, shellyc

plus on town wagon, town!andres and probtown!menal both on scumplus makes a lot of sense
d2 kerset elim with the hardbus randomly from plus makes sense (we all know what happened so not quoting)

In post 4390, Datisi wrote:bob3141 [5]: PlusJOYED, shellyc, Menalque, Tayl0r Swift, Andresvmb [HAMMER]
osuka [2]: bob3141, NDMath
PlusJOYED [1]: Ydrasse
shellyc [1]: osuka

plus going on bob despite them being their biggest TR over much of d1 and d2 doesnt make any logical sense at all
In post 4826, Datisi wrote:osuka [4]: Andresvmb, NDMath, Menalque, Ydrasse [HAMMER]
shellyc [1]: PlusJOYED
NDMath [1]: osuka

Not Voting [1]: shellyc

plus staying off osuka for cred and going on me to set up this lylo situation
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Post Post #4976  (isolation #695)  » Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:10 pm

...

the reason why plus is self voting is probably to set up an f3 situation that's advantageous hmmmmm
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Post Post #4978  (isolation #696)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:31 am

gg all scum played well especially menal
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Post Post #4980  (isolation #697)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:34 am

I think town did fine? but we marginalised most who were right on things like osuka, saudade and andres

this lylo is basically Exhibit A of WIM > everything else
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Post Post #4981  (isolation #698)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:35 am

In post 4979, Menalque wrote:just waiting for plus to turn out to be a venge after all

*shaking*

plus please dont shoot us...
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Post Post #4982  (isolation #699)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:38 am

In post 4906, Ydrasse wrote:whoever brought me into lylo face my wrath

oh no not only plusjoy's venge shot, I also have to face ydrasse's wrath
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Post Post #4983  (isolation #700)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:56 am

fun fact: me and menal were the two highest posters
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Post Post #4993  (isolation #701)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:14 am

In post 4990, Menalque wrote:@datisi, I am greatly enjoying mod pt btw

+1

it was great
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Post Post #4996  (isolation #702)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:24 am

over the course of the game I think only osuka nailed shelly/menal
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Post Post #4998  (isolation #703)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:34 am

I think town did quite well, this was a great game with a fun plist and no replacements

bob/osuka/plus miselims were pretty much established after hard bussing kerset

now time to get good at town
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Post Post #5000  (isolation #704)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:59 am

bunno spectator?

congrats on getting that 5000th post
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Post Post #5002  (isolation #705)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:11 am

they sure are real fun to spectate.

what did you think the solve was?
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Post Post #5025  (isolation #706)  » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:51 pm

In post 5015, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 209, Andresvmb wrote:VOTE: shellyc

I’m not losing to you twice!

AAAAA

:eyes:

@kerset RS aware of loyal cop can basically act as a framer to the cop (we did so successfully n2 and teacher thought they had a guilty)
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Post Post #5028  (isolation #707)  » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:08 am

luckily menal talked kerset out of it, claiming ascetic as commuter is a pretty good way to draw that kill tbh
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Post Post #5030  (isolation #708)  » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:24 am

fine anything for beloved kerset

did think commuter = passive action before checking the wiki though
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Post Post #5033  (isolation #709)  » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:11 am

ydrasse i was actually afraid at some point that you might have come to a realisation that plus was town and you were brought to lylo for a reason in the scum PT

time to make a setup with backup BP, backup jailer and mafia ascetic rolestopper
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Post Post #5036  (isolation #710)  » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:18 am

scum!math was kinda a stretch because of the string-pulling going on. me and menal being double highest posters was evident of that

I think math votes plus in 3p though tbh
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Post Post #5038  (isolation #711)  » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:26 am

nah you posted enough and played pretty well, just I posted a lot (tbh scum!me is reverse ellitell or something)
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