Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Ydrasse]

so looking at this vc there like. has to be scum between these three right?

in which wagon?

oh, i meant the fact that we had three pretty evenly divided wagons.

[Ydrasse]

...so is bob/plus viable as a team oooooor.

[Ydrasse]

i'm staring at this vote right now from plus like it should mean something.

[Ydrasse]

i have suddenly changed my mind on who i want plus to shoot ...

i would also like an actual ~case~ on me or w/e.

[Ydrasse]

@Ydrasse do you think joyed is town. if so, who would you want them to shoot

if they're town i don't know what they're doing right now.

daddyposters should be shot on site.

in all reality i think that it makes most sense to shoot btwn like. bob/osuka. the former preferred.

[Ydrasse]

plus you know what shot you have to take now for the good of our society this game

[Ydrasse]

you already know.

[Ydrasse]

plus retracted vengeful, huh.

[Ydrasse]

bob, what do you think of plus not being vengeful?

[Ydrasse]

no one went for my little bob case like 2k posts ago and yet here we are huh.

uh, fmpov i feel it's plausible scum!plus thought somehow that the claim would get a nightkill or something and then decided to walk it back when the votes started piling up. like, didn't actually expect anything to happen from it? and there really is only one thing you can do in that case and retract it, yeah?

[Ydrasse]

methinks i’ll try to go look at some vcs later or something

if it’s not at least one in osuka/plus than i’m the fool and i accept that

[Ydrasse]

plus, who is scum with shelly?

[Ydrasse]

drink some water and sleep bud you’ll be grateful for it

ibuprofen too

[Ydrasse]

hello

@plus, how do you think that interact between me and shelly is theatre. also, in that instance what is the Gameplan/wincon of shelly/ydrasse/kerset

[Ydrasse]

i’m at work atm with a shot mood so don’t expect much from me until later other than that

[Ydrasse]

Good afternoon game has anything happened

[Ydrasse]

I see the answer is yes

[Ydrasse]

okay, i'm here in real time with a faulty memory of this game.

where should i begin.

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

Vote count 1.final
with 13 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

execution

innocentvillager [7]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager, teacher, NDMath, Ydrasse [HAMMER]
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
PlusJOYED [2]: Andresvmb, Menalque
Kerset [2]: Saudade, shellyc

Not Voting [0]:

flip

innocentvillager has been executed Day 1. He was a Vanilla Townie.

The sun sets, it is now Night 1. Sunrise in (expired on 2020-09-20 12:00:00).

mod notes

~ hi i just woke up

flavour

Vote count 2.final
with 11 votes in play, it took 6 to make a decision. day 2 ended.

execution

Kerset [6]: shellyc, Andresvmb, Menalque, PlusJOYED, Tayl0r Swift, teacher [HAMMER]
shellyc [1]: osuka
bob3141 [1]: NDMath

Not Voting [3]: Kerset, bob3141, Ydrasse

flip

Kerset has been executed Day 2. They were a Mafia Goon.

The sun sets, it is now Night 2. Sunrise in (expired on 2020-09-23 13:15:00).

mod notes

~ rip my nap i guess

flavour

Vote count 3.final
with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.

execution

bob3141 [5]: PlusJOYED, shellyc, Menalque, Tayl0r Swift, Andresvmb [HAMMER]
osuka [2]: bob3141, NDMath
PlusJOYED [1]: Ydrasse
shellyc [1]: osuka

Not Voting [0]:

flip

bob3141 has been executed Day 3. He was a Vanilla Townie.

The sun sets, it is now Night 3. Sunrise in (expired on 2020-09-28 23:35:00).

mod notes

~ i'm in a voice call with georgebailey, he says hello

flavour

without looking at past content and staring at these little votes, i feel not so great about ndmath; on the d1 wagon to elim iv, off wagon d2 to vote bob and then... off wagon d3, again, but this time voting with bob on osuka?

osuka has ended two days now with a vote parked on shellyc, the only exception being d1 where he voted iv. i'm not reading back to see the circumstances of the vote itself but it i don't really know why osuka wouldn't want to be on the kerset wagon if they were teamed? i'll have to Reread for this one but i guess it could be tunneling in on shelly..??

if shelly is scum, she's been committed to bussing for a bit now given that she ended d1 with a vote still on kerset. i don't feel bad about that though, particularly? like off the top of my head it doesn't really feel like a red flag should be waving off of this.

plus has been on every major wagon by the end of the day, earlier in the case of the two town wagons than the kerset one (but also i think d2 went by pretty fast so it might've been a fact of not being around to vote until then? i'll check on this).

menalque + andres have always ended up voting the same person at eod, but i don't feel bad about this given that d1 was off iv, d2 was on scum and d3 was on bob. it doesn't seem like there's a ~scummy agenda~ or whatever, them teaming, by the pattern they're voting with and it reflects the fact that they've been pretty consistent in their trs on each other.

[Ydrasse]

@Menalque, @Ydrasse I want us to agree on a course of action. Menalque is obviously on Osuka, but I don’t know that this one gets through, and I do have a Negative Lena there, but I also want to re-read.
@IV I want some thoughts on what you would be willing to vote here. I see you very scattered and defensive (particularly after your “slip”, but I have been liking your takes so I want to see more of them). I know you said you wouldn’t post much until Wednesday, and you needed a break - all I want is a small list of players you would vote. That’s all.

I have a good sense of what some other players want to do. Saudade is almost death tunneling Kerset (but would also clearly vote for Osuka), and Bob is on Teacher (and defending Kerset given their Claim). Kerset is tunneling Teacher almost, after somewhat tunneling me. plusJOYED’s 2325 makes it pretty clear where they would vote, which also includes Teacher.

@Kerset, how do you feel about my slot now?
@Tayl0r where are you? You seem to be vibing with plus after SR’ing there, which I don’t have any major objections to actually I’m still trying to figure out what to make of plus. Your vote is still on IV, and you appear to also be willing to vote Osuka. How do you feel about Teacher/Bob?

Nobody has taken me up on answering whether crumbing Doctor makes sense. Can somebody seriously comment on that?

correct on where I would vote.
Iv, teacher, or math is prefered for me, with preference for IV
I might be convinced for a saudade or bob wagon
won't vote anyone else

i'm going through things right now to see plus's votes and this is uh, 4/5 town preference. maybe 5 if ndmath isn't scum but i have Doubts (tm) about that right now. Much to think about.

[Ydrasse]

God dammit you guys are playing right into IVs hands. Mena vs Osuka im pretty sure is TvT
peddit: agree on taylor tbh

I don't think I can stop an Osuka elim today, just please go after IV when Osuka flips green, cause if mena is the d2 elim I think town is boned

I'd honestly prefer me to be elimed here over osuka

mmmm.

[Ydrasse]

solve is iv /shelly /ndmath atm

*eyebrow raising emoji*

[Ydrasse]

cool saudade is dead and now i get instant L-2
You don't know how to make insightful NKA. We are talking here about saud, he is careless gamethrower. His existence was harmful to town and viging him would be worth it regardless of his alignment, so healing him was out of question. This guy misleads town to lynch his target regardless of circumstances to satisfy his ego. Hardclaimming bullshits is just one of throws typical for his behavior, he thinks that saying nonsense as town is 200IQ play, because thanks to his reputation he can get away with anything, once he rolls scum.
The most important information we got is scum lack of knowledge. Scum didn't know about his nature and took him seriously, which points at people with 2020 join date. Especially shelly, which periodically appears as more naive then she normally should be.

???
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
UNVOTE:
VOTE: kerset

plus, can you explain why (in the moment, before this flipped) you thought this post could only come from scum?

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse being relatively passive and going after LHF (me) especially after omgus, along with recent meta behavior I can now talk about (silent star 2) makes me think that the solve is either shelly/ydrasse or I'm probably never going to get it right. I think shelly swapping onto ydrasse for a bit was all scum theater, since it happened at a convenient time to make Ydrasse appear more towny to throw people off. This also lines up with saudes prediction.

don't deflect and answer my question. why did you think it was a scummy post.

furthermore, you keep saying that it's theatre; but what about it makes you think that it's theatre, content-wise?

p-edit: oh, i see now. it's the thing where like, mafia get so caught up in balancing everything else that they can't realize that the singular post someone made saying they're cop, mafia please shoot me is a joke.

[Ydrasse]

I hardclaim cop shoot me tonight mafia

plus, is this the hardclaim you're talking about?

[Ydrasse]

okay then!

VOTE: plus

there is no way you in good faith you're sitting here saying yep, saudade hardclaimed cop and that is a serious post, so kerset you are very scummy for not protecting that!!

[Ydrasse]

combined with the venge claim and subsequently walking it back, trying to defend osuka/keep them from getting elimmed, taking potshots that feel weirdly informed at the end of d1.. you just have to be scum, like.

you keep using words this game, yeah? calling yourself lhf? throwing in that me and shelly are doing ~scum-theatre~? you're doing this shit and not explaining it, and when you do the explanations are so outlandish or flimsy that there's no way that they're real.

[Ydrasse]

@andres/mena (if either of you are scum i will be mad at you): could i convince you to elim plus first over osuka? i think that plus/osuka is a viable team but i also think that plus/ndmath has some viability to it and i'm unsure if osuka has as high of a level of associatives going on rn!!

[Ydrasse]

theater can be a lot of things, Ydrasse; it's not necessarily just emotive back and forth. The timing of the theater and the outcome + agenda it serves is critical.
A key trend in theater I've noticed is that it's intention is for one maf member to scumread the other maf member briefly, and the accused mafia member convinces the other maf that they are solidly town, which is exactly what happened.

congratulations, you have just laid out some information on how a strategy works!

now, again, i am asking you to go back to that exchange shelly and i had and tell me which posts you think are fake or theatre, instead of repeating over and over that you think it's theatre.

furthermore, what is the agenda? what benefit did we get from doing that? what is the wincon of ydrasse/shelly/kerset?

[Ydrasse]

like you are avoiding doing the ONE thing here that makes actual sense: going over the exchange that you think is Super Scummy Of Us Both and reading through it, pointing out how or why it might be fake, and instead just saying "it's theatre" with a dash of explaining what theatre is. lmao.

[Ydrasse]

that serious defensiveness and deciding to wall me out makes me more sure ur scum, you aren't even trying to defend yourself.
if shelly or ydrasse flip green, kill me tomorrow because we're screwed anyway

i am sitting here right now literally asking one thing of you. one thing that, from your pov, should be incriminating to me! i am sitting here asking you to post it and make a case against me! this is not walling you out. i am not defensive — i am asking you to do something that will let people in this game actually understand where your head is at instead of just saying words without meaning.

also, how am i being seriously defensive and also not even trying to defend myself...??

[Ydrasse]

The wincon is throwing me off of ydrasse, and setting up chain elims with (me, bob, osuka)

okay, now tell me how we succeeded in that if you are sitting here right now having this conversation.

also, tell me why shelly/ydrasse, as a team, decide to make their wincon centered around you. only you, throwing you off our trail and no one else.

[Ydrasse]

you have a tone of being defensive and are outraged but you're producing no arguments why you can't be scum, and instead trying to get me killed

i am outraged because you're refusing to do something that should by all means be beneficial to you! how am i supposed to defend myself, anyways, against a case that you haven't even produced?

i am trying to get you killed because your logic is horrendous at this point and i don't think it's in a townie way.

[Ydrasse]

The wincon is throwing me off of ydrasse, and setting up chain elims with (me, bob, osuka)

okay, now tell me how we succeeded in that if you are sitting here right now having this conversation.

also, tell me why shelly/ydrasse, as a team, decide to make their wincon centered around you. only you, throwing you off our trail and no one else.

shelly hopped on as soon as possible with the theater. It was to be triggered when anyone SR you, not revolved around me, and was to prevent a wagon forming on you.
I'll make a wall of why it's Scuk theater soon im at work atm

that doesn't make sense, because there hasn't been a point on this game where i've been threatened with a wagon. there was no need to prevent something that had no chance of forming. looking at the vote counts, i haven't even been voted since d1 — and even those were singular votes at the beginning of the day. no one has been trying to vote against me or really case me, so why would shelly need to defend me?

[Ydrasse]

The wincon is throwing me off of ydrasse, and setting up chain elims with (me, bob, osuka)

okay, now tell me how we succeeded in that if you are sitting here right now having this conversation.

also, tell me why shelly/ydrasse, as a team, decide to make their wincon centered around you. only you, throwing you off our trail and no one else.

shelly hopped on as soon as possible with the theater. It was to be triggered when anyone SR you, not revolved around me, and was to prevent a wagon forming on you.
I'll make a wall of why it's Scuk theater soon im at work atm

that doesn't make sense, because there hasn't been a point on this game where i've been threatened with a wagon. there was no need to prevent something that had no chance of forming. looking at the vote counts, i haven't even been voted since d1 — and even those were singular votes at the beginning of the day. no one has been trying to vote against me or really case me, so why would shelly need to defend me?

are you listening? I started to SR you, day 3 and then shelly initiated theater trying to convince me of Ydrasse town (which worked for a bit). It was to quash a wagon before it even started.

and why would we decide to break the emergency glass at the first sign of a scumread, especially from you? you've had suspicion on you throughout this game and there was no momentum against me. do you think that we decide to fake an entire back and forth for however many pages at the first sign of anyone doubting us, which runs the risk of being seen as ingenuine?

[Ydrasse]

grumble grumble...

i'll similarly vote for osuka if the consensus is that osuka is the better flip. plus just feels obvious after having sat here for an hour trying to not to bash my head into a wall.

[Ydrasse]

andres, you're town right? you wouldn't try to lead us all astray?

[Ydrasse]

for a second i was reading your posts from yesterday andres and i thought you were just straight up lying until i got to the end where you pivoted back to osuka.

...i trust you....

VOTE: osuka

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

nope, we're not hammering here.

[Ydrasse]

Yeah I mean that post by Osuka confirms it right. shellyc v. Osuka I think is not SvS. At least I doubt it Osuka was pushing shellyc before trying to compromise with the slot to potentially vote for Bob. One of them is surely Scum.

agreed
i'd prefer to flip shelly over osuka though

*eyebrow raise*

[Ydrasse]

current mood @ plus

Spoiler:

[Ydrasse]

(if either of you are scum i will be mad at you)

would I do that to you

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

[Ydrasse]

at this point i'm just chilling waiting on that ~case~ against me and also for what osuka wants to say.

[Ydrasse]

*eyebrow raise*

[Ydrasse]

i may in fact just be, as they say, tunneling but that feels more like a scum effort to get people to be concerned/worried prior to a flip than someone who is disheartened as town.

[Ydrasse]

like instead of trying as hard as possible to like... give case/susses/etc etc it's sort of a "you guys won't listen so whatever :/" vibe which is anti-town at best (and if you are town, i'm sorry and i get how you feel but i also don't think you're town) and just scum trying to make us second-guess at worst.

[Ydrasse]

for a second i was reading your posts from yesterday andres and i thought you were just straight up lying until i got to the end where you pivoted back to osuka.

...i trust you....

explain this trajectory in more detail

ydrasse goes back to read over andres regarding bob.
ydrasse sees andres going fairly hard for bob, and goes !! he was not concerned. she becomes suspicious.
ydrasse keeps reading and sees that andres ends up voting osuka.
ydrasse smiles and realizes that andres was not lying.

[Ydrasse]

plus -> osuka but i am willing to do it in reverse. ndmath comes after.

[Ydrasse]

I exist as well

do you want me to consider eliminating you, shelly?

[Ydrasse]

osuka remember that i unvoted you and i have the power to revote you.

[Ydrasse]

i am using all of my self-restraint not to vote osuka so he doesn't get instahammered i really am

[Ydrasse]

shelly, the point that osuka is making is that you said when you get townread, you're scum.

and that in this game, EVERYONE townreads you.

[Ydrasse]

at least according to you saying you're a utr.

[Ydrasse]

shelly, the point that osuka is making is that you said when you get townread, you're scum.

and that in this game, EVERYONE townreads you.

yes but I actually fucking improve my town play and instead you scumread me for it

okay?

the point osuka is trying to make is simply that you said something that, by your own words, is more condemning than helpful; it incriminates you by virtue of your self-meta. it isn't a misrep, whether or not i townread you.

i kind of don't get how you misunderstood this one?

[Ydrasse]

...because i assume you didn't intentionally mean to say something that casts you in a bad light?

i don't really think it's a scumslip but neither is it a good look if you're looking at that singular post alone.

[Ydrasse]

hm hmhmhmhmhmhmhmmhm

[Ydrasse]

shelly is not paired with plus.
shelly is not paired with osuka.
shelly is paired with ndmath?

plus is not paired with shelly.
plus is paired with osuka.
plus is paired with ndmath.

osuka is not paired with shelly.
osuka is maybe? paired with ndmath.
osuka is paired with plus.

this is... vaguely where my mind is.

[Ydrasse]

i don't really think it's a scumslip but neither is it a good look if you're looking at that singular post alone.

well then you agree that osuka is misrepping me because the world osuka is pushing is that its a scumslip

meeeeeh.

i can understand using the word scumslip even if i don't think it's the exact word ~i~ would use.

[Ydrasse]

shelly is not paired with plus.
shelly is not paired with osuka.
shelly is paired with ndmath?

plus is not paired with shelly.
plus is paired with osuka.
plus is paired with ndmath.

osuka is not paired with shelly.
osuka is maybe? paired with ndmath.
osuka is paired with plus.

this is... vaguely where my mind is.

why is shelly+plus not possible?

mmm, i don't know if plus wants to push on shelly for the theatre thing as scum. i also recall thinking at some points earlier in the game that, between their interactions, it wasn't s/s. i'll try to find them later.

[Ydrasse]

because ndmath is not here right now.

[Ydrasse]

what changed?

joyed also scum reads me

pedit: as town another obligation to have is to avoid getting miseliminated as that benefits scums wincon

joyed has been following my reads for quite a while not, he just scumreads you by proxy

what do you think of plus doing this...? like, right now you seem to be toying around with shelly/andre(?) as a solve. does plus choosing you to sheep set off any alarms?

[Ydrasse]

okay, i haven't read through your iso lately tbh so i hadn't a clue that post existed.

also i keep getting sniped everytime i try to post and it makes my head hurty.

[Ydrasse]

I FELT BAD FOR SPAMMING...

i have more posts in this game than i have ever had before and i don't know how to feel about it.

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse give me tips on reading the thread so osuka can stop being mad at me please

use your eyes and your brain real hard.

[Ydrasse]

i mean, your opinion does matter...?? i don't really ignore it but you don't post a whole lot which kind of makes it harder to get a gauge on you (at least for me)...

[Ydrasse]

*eyebrow raise*

i don't think at this point there's much more to add unless anyone has any last-minute complaints?

i'd like to hear more from like, ndmath but he also doesn't think his opinions matters so???

[Ydrasse]

i also don't think that we're gonna end up elimming anyone else but osuka so osuka consider this intent, you should probably claim.

[Ydrasse]

well, i'll give osuka time for final words and probably hammer tn.

rest up bud...?

[Ydrasse]

anything else? dying wishes that you want honored (if you're town)?

i don't think that we can really like... progress at this point without your flip so :/

[Ydrasse]

last-minute scum team is shelly + who?

[Ydrasse]

*raised eyebrow*

[Ydrasse]

plus you have an uncanny knack this game for posting weird little posts like that at the ends of days

[Ydrasse]

osuuuuuuka come back

[Ydrasse]

[Ydrasse]

it's the mood

[Ydrasse]

i... am impatient.

sorry osuka.

VOTE: osuka

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

pls flip scum

[Ydrasse]

ydr, youre contractually obligated to /in the next game i /in to

just remind me and i shall follow...

let's play! >:)

[Ydrasse]

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[Ydrasse]

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[Ydrasse]

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p-edit: AHHHH

[Ydrasse]

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yayyyyy

[Ydrasse]

outplayed......

[Ydrasse]

we're TIED

i am not playing chess i do not have the focus for that tn

[Ydrasse]

...you're claiming commuter, not ascetic?

[Ydrasse]

uh. well then.

don't commute...??? i was not expecting that.

[Ydrasse]

*brow arch*

[Ydrasse]

a full commuter in a 13p is very overpowered

hmmmmmmmmm
if osuka is town
the solve = plus/ydrasse? that would be crazy
can anyone give me a verification as to whether commuter is a good scum fake claim

^ this is what the brow arch was for but this claim is also a little wack.

[Ydrasse]

no offense, but i really don't think that ndmath this game is the sort of person people kill so i don't think that being a commuter says much about scum dying/not dying.

it's more a matter of why ndmath claimed ascetic, and then claimed commuter now, and the logic behind that.

[Ydrasse]

now, shelly, tell me why seeing the claim your immediate reaction is to shift towards setting up another potential team like that.

[Ydrasse]

so... why is that your solve?

similarly to how plus suspected you and i going through theatre, your assumption is that plus and i were doing theatre?

[Ydrasse]

(because my reaction here is that this seems pretty disingenuous and that you're trying to set up towards a new set of goals to get elims through tomorrow should osuka be town.)

[Ydrasse]

I wish I had a certain Town. I don’t. This game has been harder than I thought it would be towards the beginning.

): i'm right here...

[Ydrasse]

osuka are you town?

don't lie.

[Ydrasse]

also, for what it's worth i don't know if ndmath had... any reason here and now to claim commuter as scum?

like, what is the purpose of doing it? to draw attention to himself?

[Ydrasse]

well fuck.

[Ydrasse]

*nods sagely*

[Ydrasse]

not andres NOOOOO

[Ydrasse]

life has been pretty not great lately so i'll take a look at this tomorrow with more active brainpower.

[Ydrasse]

just vt.

[Ydrasse]

hmmmmm.

@plus, at what point did you switch from me/shelly to shelly/ndmath as the most likely team?

[Ydrasse]

my gut right now is telling me that shelly and plus could both be scum. i wanna go back and look at some interactions they’ve had previously because i have a feeling they’ve both sussed each other but never made a move to hard push one another; like plus trying to push me instead of shelly yesterday.

grain of salt on this though, faulty memory, etc etc.

[Ydrasse]

ive been mulling over this, joyed is outed from my perspective, there’s no way that vote ever comes from town, there’s no way all of bob plus osuka are town, there’s no way their confusing reads are are usually unexplained come from town

VOTE: PlusJoy

This is scum. Vote it out.

setting up chain elims yet again to win the game

how is this a chain...?

[Ydrasse]

on kerset, i didn't want to go into detail but I think I have to:
they do seem nervous from their iso. But newbish scumtells are also newbie pr tells. They are most definitely either doctor or mafia. From mafia!kersets perspective, they haven't been putting much effort into solving I think and have been one of the quieter ones. That could be a doctor who is worried about being outed (I think is likely) or a scum player who doesn't wanna seem sus. If they are scum, then by crumbing a fake claim early they'd know they are under suspicion. But Saudade death tunneled kerset from the get go and gave them many chances to prove towniness by posting game stuff early on; kerset did not. Why would scum!Kerset crumb there, when they could likely have escaped suspicion early pretty easily by just acting townie instead? That's honestly not hard to do as scum or town, especially given Saudades low bar. That doesn't make sense to me at all why they would crumb and take a big risk as scum; hell their 2 scum buddies could have helped them by evening writing out towny things for Kerset to say if Kerset didn't know how to do it. That's the biggest flaw in the scum!kerset idea imo.

Instead Kerset just got more nervous and defensive. This attitude makes the most sense from doc!Kerset perspective, where they don't want to appear too towny so they become a maf target and die n1. The early hammer reaction looked realish but could be faked. Rather, they wanted to lay low, maybe even appear a little scummy so maf would leave them alone possibly (idk for sure), but Saudade wouldn't back off, and a wagon formed. Kerset showed more signs of being nervous which makes sense from town!Kerset perspective imo. If I was scum and knew Kerset wasn't, I'd let Kerset live n1 and then jump on them like crazy day 2 to get them mislimed, which we might see. I came to this conclusion pretty early after Kerset claimed doc, and wanted to see who would jump on to get a solid scumtell start of day 2.

tl;dr scum kerset mindset doesn't make sense and so they are very likely town imo.

I'm leaning Saudade kerset being tvt.

consider my eyebrow raised at this post in retrospect.

[Ydrasse]

why didn't we elim plus yesterdayyyyyy my mind would be so much clearerrrrrrr.

[Ydrasse]

just so i don't forget:

max 1 scum in (ydr, math, mena)
max 2 scum in (plus, shelly)

[Ydrasse]

meh
I think theres little way I can convince you guys at this point and I think town is gonna get stomped on lylo, I'm starting to feel defeated.
my obvtown reads think im scum (mena mainly)
I'm pretty confident me and osuka are both town, same with Andres and mena
if i flip today we enter lylo where andres votes osuka and scum quickhammer
if osuka flips today we enter lylo where mena votes me and scum quickhammers
I think we lose
on the bright side I've never been alive this long before

it's posts like these that make me think that plus is the correct vote for today.

i don't think that osuka was wrong inherently about shelly being scum but plus feels safer for me personally.

[Ydrasse]

you two have weird interactions.

who is plus's partner.

[Ydrasse]

grumble grumble...

i'll similarly vote for osuka if the consensus is that osuka is the better flip. plus just feels obvious after having sat here for an hour trying to not to bash my head into a wall.

[Ydrasse]

shelly, don’t tell me you’re scum missing things that are jokes.

[Ydrasse]

whoever brought me into lylo face my wrath

i think that... it’s probably? shelly/plus but i am unsure, and i also think that flipping plus is the right move. but i am also high key scared i was brought into lylo for this moment. there have just been too many weird posts from plus, ones that are potshots that sound weirdly informed or as if they’re needling the town, weird votes, weird reads...

[Ydrasse]

i keep fixating shelly’s vote/push on kerset d1. i need to reread it but i wonder if she was bussing that early.

[Ydrasse]

i kiiiiiinda wanna just vote plus and get this over with if i’m wrong

[Ydrasse]

i’m getting stressed about having votes on people can you guys unvote @_@

[Ydrasse]

thanks.

no one hammered in you/shelly and i think it’s p confirmed one of you is scum but offroading out of you two is a disaster waiting to happen.

[Ydrasse]

i’ve been going about my business and the andres nk is giving me cold feet a bit. i’m unsure if shelly would do something that like... obvious or not.

on the other hand i wonder if plus is just trying to pick a different 1v1 with math? like if shelly is town and plus knows they can’t win that way they’d rather go the route of math -> shelly.

[Ydrasse]

andres please give me your strength from beyond the grave.

[Ydrasse]

ndmath please show up i would like to hear your Thoughts on plus voting you for a bit.

[Ydrasse]

i haaaaaate this game

[Ydrasse]

sell me on not voting you before i do

[Ydrasse]

at this point i think i'll probably just end up voting plus :/ i've read through a ton of things and i still can't get over the feeling that they're scum. i think i'd feel bad too ignoring my gut on this because it's been pointing at plus literally all game.

[Ydrasse]

gg everyone, was fun!

[Ydrasse]

okay, i am in the mood to type + i wanted to do this, so!

- i'm sorry @ plus, there were a lot of things in your play that i couldn't get over. it all seemed very unnatural to me as time went on. i don't think you should have self-voted but you've already heard this and i get it, i think i would have ended up voting you regardless of me coming around to shelly being scum. i've been kind of burnt out these past few days so i didn't end up posting much regarding my thoughts but i really did try to see you as town. it just... didn't work in my head. i also should've realized we were in lylo together for a reason.

- good job mafia! kerset your doctor claim is very funny to me reading back now and i regret hammering iv but reading "ambulates" now just makes me laugh. also, menalque your fakeclaim is funny too because kerset also claimed backup of something in the game where we were scum together; if you had brought me to final 3 with ndmath on that one i think i would've ended up killing you for it. shelly, i definitely think you did a really good job especially in endgame; you were the deciding factor, imo, for the game.

- sorry @ everyone else for not being as active as i could, i definitely just wasn't feeling up to efforting as things progressed. i'm also sorry to osuka because i should've realized you were being town; if we connect 4 again i'll give you some free wins. and i'm sorry to you and also andres for not following your word on shelly!! i was being too stubborn.

- i really liked this setup, @datisi! it was fun to see how it all fit together pretty well, and the roles were neat. also your flavor is some of my favorite (and i sometimes steal it to send to friends. shh.)

other than that, ty again everyone for a good game! was very very fun.

[Ydrasse]

also, regarding those posts in the scum pt: i don't remember why i joined at all! and ty for the kind words in there too.

[Ydrasse]

it was on my mind; i spent a lot of time when i was working dwelling on it but there were too many other things that i couldn't get past.

i also spent a lot of times staring at the vcs.

[Ydrasse]

the only realization i had really come to was that ndmath wasn't scum internally but like, menalque/ndmath were problems for the day after if we managed to flip right. (presuming you died on a scum!plus which like, if you hadn't i would have been like ?????).

[Ydrasse]

yeah, probably. ndmath was the only person i had a moment of true clarity on where i was just like... "this person isn't scum."

maybe i should make myself post more.